ivory ferrules-pro or con
Dr. R Green
wondered if they add any thing to the value or playability of a cue. I
guess if you have a butt with ivory inlays, it might be nice to have a
matching ferrule? On the other hand if yer just an average guy with a
sneaky pete, would an ivory ferrule add any thing to the value of the
cue? My feeling is that ivory ferrules are less durable and probably
should never be used on a break cue? Lastly, as an Ebay adict, i have
wondered how much an ivory ferrule adds to the price of a used shaft.
Thanks & good shooting
Bob
Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III
ivory ferrules.
The main advantage I see is that there is nothing nearly as pleasing
to the eye as an ivory ferrule. They are stronger than wood and have
a good history of use as a ferrule material. They are not fragile but
they are not as durable as Aegis II, Ivorene III or some of the
other thermoset plastics used today as ferrule material.
Considering that a well made shaft of seasoned straight grained
maple with an ivory ferrule sells for about $200 to $300 today there
is no question as to these shafts being more valuable then their
less adorned cousins. Of course the main consideration is the
density, grain and straightness of the shaft. You can always change
ferrules but that will run about $100.00 today.
In my opinion ivory hits harder than about any other material
except Aegis (not Aegis II which hit softer). Most players who have
developed a familiarity with ivory ferrules don't want to change.
I personally think Aegis II is the best all around ferrule material.
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Dr. R Green
the new schons or predator shafts? What is the standard charge to put an
Aegus II ferrule on a used shaft? Can an untrained eye differentiate an
Aegus II ferrule from an ivorine III ferrule once its been placed on a
shaft?
Sorry to be a pest but I've been considering getting an extra shaft for
my schon & really hadn't considered the ferrule options....if i read
between the lines a new shaft costs about $150 + another $XX? for Aegus
II
Thanks again
Bob
Bob Jewett
: Over the years I have noted occasional shafts with ivory ferrules & have
: wondered if they add any thing to the value or playability of a cue.
Value, yes. Ivory is not technically a good material for ferrules,
because it cracks, warps and is relatively heavy.
Bob Jewett
Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III
Mr. Jewett Sir:
I know you don't use a ferrule but that puts you in the minority. In
fact that makes you the only person in the whole world that I ever heard
of.
The purpose of a ferrule is to add strength to the shaft and help keep
the shaft from splitting. Ferrules are considered expendable and when
they wear out they are
replaced. You can tell they are worn out when they start to show small
cracks and if they are replaced at that time no damage is done to the
shaft.
All ferrule materials I have ever seen crack from time to time. You are
not going to convince me that a piece of anything only about 1 inch long
is goint to warp discernably. By the way - seasoned Ivory does not warp.
And just how many ferrules have you weighed? I just weighed a handful
and found that all; Aegis, Aegis II, Ivorene III and Elephant Ivory
came in at 5 grams. Not 4, not 6 but 5. So - heavier than what? Hot air?
I think you should refrain from posting your unqualified opinions when
you havn't done your homework.
--
Mike Page
> Mr. Jewett Sir:
>
> I know you don't use a ferrule but that puts you in the minority.
Lots of things put Mr. Jewett in the minority. Did you know he can keep
score in his head playing straight pool for both players while
simultaneously holding on a conversation that involves other numbers?
>
> And just how many ferrules have you weighed? I just weighed a handful
> and found that all; Aegis, Aegis II, Ivorene III and Elephant Ivory
> came in at 5 grams. Not 4, not 6 but 5. So - heavier than what? Hot air?
That's interesting. A shaft that is 115 grams (typical?) and is 22.5
inches long (about typical?) would be on average 5 grams per inch. So if
a one inch ferrule is 5 grams, then--even though it is the skinny part of
the shaft--it has the average per-inch weight. That means the ferrule
material is denser than the wood--a practical definition of "heavy." I
have an ivory ferrule on one of my Jacoby shafts, and the shaft is pretty
squirty. I concluded from this the ivory is likely heavier than other
common ferrule materials. But those densities should be known, right?
Does anybody know the densities of ivory, maple, Aegis, Aegis II, and
Ivorine III
>
> I think you should refrain from posting your unqualified opinions when
> you havn't done your homework.
> --
Are you having a bad day or something Arnot? This seems like kind of an
odd comment.
--
mike page
fargo
Mike Page
pa...@plains.nodak.edu (Mike Page) wrote:
> That's interesting. A shaft that is 115 grams (typical?) and is 22.5
> inches long (about typical?)
Woops, I made a mistake here. Shafts are 28 or 29 inches long, not 22! I
grabbed a number from the top of my head, and it was the *diameter* of my
shaft at the joint (in mm) &^%#*&^%$(*&^)(*& sorry.
--
mike page
fargo
Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III
have also done your homework. You said "A shaft is ***(typial?) and is
22.5 inches long". That makes for a 45 inch long cue if both the shaft
and the butt are the same length. The cues I make are usually 58 inches
long and the shafts are 29 inches long. But what do I know - I just
make cues. Better go do your numbers again you got an "F" on the last
attempt. If you were making a shaft you would have cut it off too short
for even a jump cue. Measure twice - mouth once < g >.
What does keeping score of a straight pool game have to do with ivory
ferrules. I can walk and chew bubble gum - so what?
I wasn't having a bad day until ----------:o). But I am getting in a
much better mood :o)).
I don't think the ferrule densities matter unless someone is just
looking for an excuse to lose.
BTW ivory ferrules have been around longer than anyone in this group and
it has a great reputation as ferrule material. I personally prefer
Aegis II but that is just my preference after installing thousands.
Just for your information - I have never seen an ivory ferrule break - I
have heard of lots of them breaking but I have never seen or replaced
one.
Kind of like tearing the felt on a pool table when you jump balls -
heard about it lots of times but never seen it happen.
I have heard that I can be opinionated but I don't believe it for one
minute :-). Have you been talking to my wife?
Have a very nice day and don't take me too serious when I get off on a
tangent. We all know cuemakers are a
little crazy.
Arnot
sheldoncue
pool and billiards than Bob Jewett. please do not offend him as he is a
valuable member of this group.
"Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III" <Arn...@arnotq.com> wrote in message
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Mike Page
>
> I don't think the ferrule densities matter unless someone is just
> looking for an excuse to lose.
>
Do you really believe this Arnot? You say the purpose of a ferrule is to
add strength to the shaft and help keep the shaft from splitting. A brass
ferrule would satisfy these design objectives. Do you think brass is a
suitable material for a ferrule? If not, then why not?
--
mike page
fargo
rhncue
hundreds of broken ferrules and next to a polymer ferrule (meuici and most
asian) ivory is by far the worst ferrule material available. Ivory has it's
own feel and is very easy to keep clean but teeth were not made to be
hitting hard balls. I guarentee al of my work except ivory ferrules. If I
can't talk a person out of ivory for a ferrule then I tell them that the
guarentee stops at the door. I've seen an ivory ferrule break on the very
first time that it contacted a ball. It's true ivory ferrules have been
around for a long time but they never were the best ferrule material,
buckhorn was by far the best material until plastics were invented. Some cue
makers may make a big issue out of ivory ferrules because they can charge an
extra 75-100.00 for a ferrule that they pay 12.00 dollars for.
Dick
RHN Custom Billiard Cues
"Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III" wrote:
> Mr. Page Sir: Thank you for your input - I can see at a glance that you
> have also done your homework. You said "A shaft is ***(typial?) and is
> 22.5 inches long". That makes for a 45 inch long cue if both the shaft
> and the butt are the same length. The cues I make are usually 58 inches
> long and the shafts are 29 inches long. But what do I know - I just
> make cues. Better go do your numbers again you got an "F" on the last
> attempt. If you were making a shaft you would have cut it off too short
> for even a jump cue. Measure twice - mouth once < g >.
>
> What does keeping score of a straight pool game have to do with ivory
> ferrules. I can walk and chew bubble gum - so what?
>
> I wasn't having a bad day until ----------:o). But I am getting in a
> much better mood :o)).
>
> I don't think the ferrule densities matter unless someone is just
> looking for an excuse to lose.
>
Jim Waugh
Jim Waugh (Even though Bob doesn't need a defender.)
"Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III" wrote:
>
> Mr. Jewett Sir:
> I think you should refrain from posting your unqualified opinions when
> you havn't done your homework.
> --
Mark0
*shouldn't* guarantee them.
My cuemaker is very selective about the pre-ban ivory he uses.
And I break using my ivory ferrule and haven't had the first
problem. Nor do I expect to.
If you break a ferrule it's because either A. it was defective
(include the installation as part of the potential defect). or B
you abused it (include horrible mis-hits as part of the
potential abuse).
Have I mentioned that I've been playing for 30 years so what I
say goes? ;O)
In article <39088E77...@fuse.net>, rhncue
>"Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III" wrote:
>
Mark0
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>
> I don't think the ferrule densities matter unless someone is just
> looking for an excuse to lose.
Doesn't matter? Try a brass ferrule and see how much squirt you get.
One of the cuemakers at Valley Forge had a cue with a weight under the
ferrule. It squirted 10 inches over the length of the table. He had
made it just to show the effect of ferrule weight to squirt.
>
> BTW ivory ferrules have been around longer than anyone in this group
and
> it has a great reputation as ferrule material. I personally prefer
> Aegis II but that is just my preference after installing thousands.
> Just for your information - I have never seen an ivory ferrule break -
I
> have heard of lots of them breaking but I have never seen or
replaced
> one.
Installed "THOUSANDS"???Pretty good for someone just starting out isn't
it? Start making cues and a few weeks later become a "MASTER CUEMAKER"
I have had a few ivory ferrules over the years, and have had a couple
break. They get a crack, but it doesn't seem to affect the way the cue
hits.
I've never seen a broken Fibre, Aegis, or IVorine III break, although
they get so dirty that I doubt you'd be able to see a crack.
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better hope he don't stop quick or you are going to have to wipe the
brown stuff off your nose.
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<Arn...@arnotq.com> wrote:
>Mr. Jewett is no or no less important than any member of RSB. You just
>better hope he don't stop quick or you are going to have to wipe the
>brown stuff off your nose.
R.O.T.F.L.M.A.O. good one Arnot
Don >---
daniz2pac
>>you get
Your statement is wrong. All snooker players use brass ferules
and pot shots >12 ft, while using side english. How would it be
possible, if, according to you they would get up to 10 inches of
squirt?
Dan
Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III
Thank you for your kind words sir. May God bless you.
Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III
strong. Have a wonderful day.
Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III
Patrick Johnson
> >>Doesn't matter? Try a brass ferrule and see how much squirt
> >>you get
> Dan rebutted:
> Your statement is wrong. All snooker players use brass ferules
> and pot shots >12 ft, while using side english. How would it be
> possible, if, according to you they would get up to 10 inches of
> squirt?
He didn't say that. He said he tried a cue with a specially weighted
tip (could be the one made by Jim Buss), and he's right, it squirts a
ton. I've shot with it myself. A brass ferrule won't cause that much
squirt, but it will cause more than a lighter plastic one. This is
well known, and I don't know why snooker players continue to use them,
except out of habit or tradition. Seems to me this is evidence that
they don't use as much spin as pool players.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
daniz2pac
Ron Shepard
>tip (could be the one made by Jim Buss), and he's right, it squirts a
>ton. I've shot with it myself. A brass ferrule won't cause that much
>squirt, but it will cause more than a lighter plastic one. This is
>well known, and I don't know why snooker players continue to use them,
>except out of habit or tradition. Seems to me this is evidence that
>they don't use as much spin as pool players.
You're right about the Buss cue. However, as far as snooker players go, they
have lots of other things to worry about too. Because of the nap, they never
really shoot the ball where they want it to go, they must always shoot upstream
a little bit and let the parabolic curve fix things at the end. And instead of
hitting the object ball to go toward the pocket, they must instead hit it
upstream a little bit and let the nap fix the second part of the shot too.
Instead of straight lines to straight lines, they must shoot parabolas into
parabolas. And they still have the squirt, swerve, and object ball throw stuff
to worry about that pool players do. All in all, it is pretty remarkable.
$.02 -Ron Shepard <-- Thinks Bob Jewett was doing his homework long
before Arnot's first cue came off the lathe.
Joseph Van Buren
nothing else. If you put a tip on with a fibre backing you should never have to
worry about the ivory. Sure it cracks, but I have cues that are over 75 years
old and the ferrules look fine.
I will give you a little story about a cuemaker that told my uncle after my
uncle asked him to make him a break cue. He said I built your cue 8 years ago,
and if I didn't think it could handle breaking I wouldn't of made it in the
first place. The cue came standard with ivory ferrules.
Joe
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solid brass rod drilled to fit a much smaller tennon, but I could be
wrong. This would be a lot like shooting without a ferrule IMO, and
may even let you pot a shot from 12' with side. I have several shafts
that have Corian ferrules. I like them, but I like Ivory best. For
breaking I use a shaft with a linen ferrule. I don't think you could
break this ferrule with a hammer.
--
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DOC's? Oh, you mean the stuff you wipe up coffee with?
"daniz2pac" <danielN...@holman83.freeserve.co.uk.invalid> wrote in
message news:1216b68c...@usw-ex0104-026.remarq.com...
> >>Doesn't matter? Try a brass ferrule and see how much squirt
> >>you get
>
> Your statement is wrong. All snooker players use brass ferules
> and pot shots >12 ft, while using side english. How would it be
> possible, if, according to you they would get up to 10 inches of
> squirt?
Frank
figure it wasn't one of them.
--
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Of course, coffee *is* one of the major vitamins
"Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III" <Arn...@arnotq.com> wrote in message
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sheldoncue
> Mr. Jewett is no or no less important than any member of RSB. You just
> better hope he don't stop quick or you are going to have to wipe the
> brown stuff off your nose.
GaryR
reading your post I doubt that I will ever pot another Snooker ball in
my life time. :)
-Gary R
Jossq
equipment discussed in this groupeveryone will like and dislike what they feel
or think is best, Can I think this is true or should I ask someone>
Bob Jewett
: I know you don't use a ferrule but that puts you in the minority. In
: fact that makes you the only person in the whole world that I ever heard
: of.
Actually someone else has tried no ferrule and has reported the results
here. And I have more ivory ferrules than 99.9% of all pool players.
: The purpose of a ferrule is to add strength to the shaft and help keep
: the shaft from splitting.
Yes, and ivory is clearly not the strongest material available.
: You can tell they are worn out when they start to show small
: cracks and if they are replaced at that time no damage is done to the
: shaft.
But of course that is something that should be avoided, if possible.
Good cue repairers are hard to find, especially if you're in a hurry
for a new ivory ferrule.
: ... By the way - seasoned Ivory does not warp.
My experience with ivory balls is that they change shape. I think this
is the common experience. You may want contact A.E. Schmidt about this.
I believe they still true ivory balls.
: And just how many ferrules have you weighed?
The CRC handbook has the necessary info.
: I think you should refrain from posting your unqualified opinions when
: you havn't done your homework.
I promise not to post any unqualified opinions. IMHO.
But you have to admit that if ivory were not a traditional material for
ferrules, it is doubtful that anyone would begin to use it with all the
other materials available.
Bob Jewett
Bob Jewett
: I don't think the ferrule densities matter unless someone is just
: looking for an excuse to lose.
What a remarkable way to think.
: Just for your information - I have never seen an ivory ferrule break - I
: have heard of lots of them breaking but I have never seen or replaced
: one.
Then you have led a very protected life. I've broken several myself.
: Kind of like tearing the felt on a pool table when you jump balls -
: heard about it lots of times but never seen it happen.
I've torn felt, too. It's a standard part of Artistic Billiards practice.
I've usually torn felt when shooting with ivory balls, actually.
Bob Jewett
Bob Jewett
: I believe that snooker cues have a thin metal band of brass, not a
: solid brass rod drilled to fit a much smaller tennon, but I could be
: wrong.
That's certainly the kind of snooker ferrule I've seen. I'd bet that
such a ferrule is much lighter than the typical pool ferrule.
Bob Jewett
Ron Shepard
>: solid brass rod drilled to fit a much smaller tennon, but I could be
>: wrong.
>
>That's certainly the kind of snooker ferrule I've seen. I'd bet that
>such a ferrule is much lighter than the typical pool ferrule.
Without knowing the densities of the various materials, it is hard to answer.
If we don't have the densities, how about the cuemakers out there telling us
which materials float in water? I know maple floats and brass sinks. I'm
pretty sure that ivory sinks. I know some plastics, such as polyethylene and
polypropylene, float. The phenolic resin that balls are made from sinks. How
about the various plastic materials used for ferrules? In particular, how
about the material used in Predator ferrules?
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Mike Gralnick
predator shaft into Lake Erie and see what happens. Maybe it will come out
like one of those Superior Shafts. Cool.
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"Ron Shepard" <ron...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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Patrick Johnson
>
> I know that predator ferrules melt at about 102 degrees.
That's pretty hard to believe, especially considering they're
manufactured in Florida.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
Fred Agnir
Patrick Johnson wrote in message <39099484...@21stCentury.net>...
Or even if you leave it in your car for 1/2 and hour while in the store on
a summer day... That would really suck for you Predator-types.
Regards,
Fred Agnir <----- maybe he meant C?
Mike Gralnick
type of ferrule when you have them up on a lathe you run the risk of melting
them right off the cue.
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"Patrick Johnson" <REMO...@21stCentury.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Gralnick wrote:
> >
> > I know that predator ferrules melt at about 102 degrees.
>
> That's pretty hard to believe, especially considering they're
> manufactured in Florida.
>
> Pat Johnson
> Chicago
donald tees
Patrick Johnson wrote in message <39099484...@21stCentury.net>...
>>
>> I know that predator ferrules melt at about 102 degrees.
>
>That's pretty hard to believe, especially considering they're
>manufactured in Florida.
>
>Pat Johnson
When I read that, I assumed centigrade. I would find it hard to believe
too, if I were thinking in Fahrenheit.
Patrick Johnson
>
> I was being a bit facetious.
Well, I guess you did say "about" 102 degrees...
Pat Johnson
Chicago
S0ftlips
ferrules, I being one of those folks, as with Ivory joints.
I know several open players with crushing breaks that use ivory ferrules, one
even has an Ivory joint, and I haven't seen a mishap in over three years and
these guys play or compete daily.
IMHO, if the ivory ferrule is made and installed properly and not abused, it
should last and last. yes, they're more brittle than the man made products of
today and they're more expensive. Many cuemakers charge upwards of $75 but do
guarantee the ferrule, but not if abused, as with anything else.
As someone else has quoted Gus S previously, he had been known to say, "If
you can't break with it, then the cue wasn't made right."
0wa...@my-deja.com
this fact rather quickly. I was using an scrap peice of felt to burnish
the tip & I noticed it was getting sticky so I stopped. Now I have a
permanent green ring on the shaft. The green will not come out BTW.
Kinda makes it look like a house cue ferrule. Ugly!
Ya got to be careful with those preditor shafts. At 35 a pop for
replacement + shipping it can add up quick. Besides, they need to be
make some black ferrules for those things as an option. Especially for
replacement jobs. I'd like to be the first kid on the block with a black
314 ferrule.
Ww
In article <#te6otRs$GA.321@cpmsnbbsa04>,
"Mike Gralnick" <mgra...@msn.com> wrote:
> I was being a bit facetious. But if you treat them as you would any
other
> type of ferrule when you have them up on a lathe you run the risk of
melting
> them right off the cue.
>
> --
> ----------------
> Mike Gralnick
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> http://customcues.bizland.com/
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> "Patrick Johnson" <REMO...@21stCentury.net> wrote in message
> news:39099484...@21stCentury.net...
> > Mike Gralnick wrote:
> > >
> > > I know that predator ferrules melt at about 102 degrees.
> >
> > That's pretty hard to believe, especially considering they're
> > manufactured in Florida.
> >
> > Pat Johnson
> > Chicago
>
>
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lfigueroa
with the material. Properly worked, you can break with an ivory ferrule to
your heart's content. If the original work wasn't done properly, or the
player decides to replace their own tips and reface their ivory ferrule,
then all bets are off.
Lou Figueroa
rhncue <rhn...@fuse.net> wrote in message news:39088E77...@fuse.net...
> Well ive been doing cue repair for over thirty years and have replaced
> hundreds of broken ferrules and next to a polymer ferrule (meuici and most
> asian) ivory is by far the worst ferrule material available. Ivory has
it's
> own feel and is very easy to keep clean but teeth were not made to be
> hitting hard balls. I guarentee al of my work except ivory ferrules. If I
> can't talk a person out of ivory for a ferrule then I tell them that the
> guarentee stops at the door. I've seen an ivory ferrule break on the very
> first time that it contacted a ball. It's true ivory ferrules have been
> around for a long time but they never were the best ferrule material,
> buckhorn was by far the best material until plastics were invented. Some
cue
> makers may make a big issue out of ivory ferrules because they can charge
an
> extra 75-100.00 for a ferrule that they pay 12.00 dollars for.
> Dick
> RHN Custom Billiard Cues
>
> "Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III" wrote:
>
> > Mr. Page Sir: Thank you for your input - I can see at a glance that you
> > have also done your homework. You said "A shaft is ***(typial?) and is
> > 22.5 inches long". That makes for a 45 inch long cue if both the shaft
> > and the butt are the same length. The cues I make are usually 58 inches
> > long and the shafts are 29 inches long. But what do I know - I just
> > make cues. Better go do your numbers again you got an "F" on the last
> > attempt. If you were making a shaft you would have cut it off too short
> > for even a jump cue. Measure twice - mouth once < g >.
> >
> > What does keeping score of a straight pool game have to do with ivory
> > ferrules. I can walk and chew bubble gum - so what?
> >
> > I wasn't having a bad day until ----------:o). But I am getting in a
> > much better mood :o)).
> >
> > I don't think the ferrule densities matter unless someone is just
> > looking for an excuse to lose.
> >
> > BTW ivory ferrules have been around longer than anyone in this group and
> > it has a great reputation as ferrule material. I personally prefer
> > Aegis II but that is just my preference after installing thousands.
> > Just for your information - I have never seen an ivory ferrule break - I
> > have heard of lots of them breaking but I have never seen or replaced
> > one.
> >
> > Kind of like tearing the felt on a pool table when you jump balls -
> > heard about it lots of times but never seen it happen.
> >
> > I have heard that I can be opinionated but I don't believe it for one
> > minute :-). Have you been talking to my wife?
> >
> > Have a very nice day and don't take me too serious when I get off on a
> > tangent. We all know cuemakers are a
> > little crazy.
> >
> > Arnot
Kenneth Koo
>Frank <spyder...@suespammers.org> wrote:
>
>: I believe that snooker cues have a thin metal band of brass, not a
>: solid brass rod drilled to fit a much smaller tennon, but I could be
>: wrong.
>
>That's certainly the kind of snooker ferrule I've seen. I'd bet that
>such a ferrule is much lighter than the typical pool ferrule.
>
>
Aren't typical snooker tips 9 mm vs our std 13 mm ?
Wouldn't that make the tip of shaft more flexible - ala Predator shafts ?
So there would be slightly less squirt/deflection ?
I saw Jimmy White in the World Pool Championships on TV a few months ago.
A few times instead of playing a standard shot to pocket the obvious ball and
running the table, he would shot a combination pocketing the 9-ball perfectly.
His confidence was clearly visible - almost seem to say this 9-ball game is
too easy.
He was playing 9-ball with a snooker cue too.
Regards ... Kenneth K.
LEON3MN
>>Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III Arn...@arnotq.com> wrote:
>>
>>: I don't think the ferrule densities matter unless someone is just
>>: looking for an excuse to lose.
>
>What a remarkable way to think.
I have heard of Bob getting mad, but have never seen it myself. Is Bob mad
now????
LeonW (knows what Bob carries around in his black briefcase)
Frank
pool cue shaft. Hmmm, I may have to check into that and get back to
the group. I still intend to have a shaft with no ferrule made, and
I'm currently planning one with some type of insert (graphite). I
retire July 1, so I should have plenty of time to devote after that.
--
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Frank (spyder...@suespammers.org)
Coffee, two sugars, cream and aspirin.
Sinclair : DS9
"Bob Jewett" <jew...@netcom4.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Bruce Boyd
Frank wrote:
> >: I believe that snooker cues have a thin metal band of brass, not a
> >: solid brass rod drilled to fit a much smaller tennon, but I could be
> >: wrong.
Bob Jewett replied:
> >That's certainly the kind of snooker ferrule I've seen. I'd bet that
> >such a ferrule is much lighter than the typical pool ferrule.
Kenneth Koo asked:
> Aren't typical snooker tips 9 mm vs our std 13 mm ?
I have in my hand a brass ferrule. It measures 9 mm in diameter. It is
available also in 9.5, 10, 10.5, and 11 mm diameters. It is 1/4" in length.
The wall thickness of this type of brass ferrule is just a shade less than
1/32".
I have in my other hand a 'fibre' ferrule. I use the term 'fibre' because
that's what the catalogue says. I am really pretty ignorant about these
things in general. I'm not sure I've ever seen an ivory ferrule. Anyway, it
measures 13 mm in diamater and is also available in 10, 11, 12, and 14 mm
sizes. This one is 1" in length, but other lengths are available. Wall
thickness is a hair (same as a shade) under 1/8".
It took 3 of the brass ferrules to balance the 1 fibre ferrule on my handy
dandy little balance beam weigh the little stuff scale. Actually, it didn't
balance exactly. The fibre ferrule side was a little heavier than 3 of the
brass ones.
I know that I'm comparing apples and oranges as it applies to the squirt
discussion, but because I have the brass ferrules on hand, I thought the
knowledge that brass ferrules are not so very heavy might satisfy a
curiosity or two. Or are they?
Wait just a minute. There are different kinds of brass ferrules. The one I
used is a thin-walled variety. I have some brass ferrules that are a little
longer, 3/8", and thicker walled, 1/16". 1 of these is heavier than the
fibre ferrule. I have a third 'type' of brass ferrule that is thicker walled
yet and has 'gear teeth' machined or cast into the inner surface. Are you
sick of this yet? I forget where the hell I was going. Oh ya, share what you
know and insofar as I can properly use and read calipers and a balance beam
scale, this is what I know which isn't to say that I might not be confused.
--
Bruce
Protection Island
Jeff Cavanagh
We've all heard about how the weight of the shaft near the tip is the
biggest contributor to squirt (which is why the Predator shafts have the
special almost hollow insert to reduce squirt...
Also, the snooker players don't use a whole lot of english/side...
Jeff
"daniz2pac" <danielN...@holman83.freeserve.co.uk.invalid> wrote in
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> >>Doesn't matter? Try a brass ferrule and see how much squirt
> >>you get
>
> Your statement is wrong. All snooker players use brass ferules
> and pot shots >12 ft, while using side english. How would it be
> possible, if, according to you they would get up to 10 inches of
> squirt?
> Dan
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nhoop
>Kind of a smug prick aren't you Arnot? Master cuemaker my ass....
You might be more convincing if you cleaned up your language a bit.
Nat
DAVID_...@ca.ibm.com
>
>I have in my hand a brass ferrule.
>
What the heck are you typing with, Bruce?
David Malone.
SxyRedChef
>>
>>I have in my other hand a 'fibre' ferrule.
>
>What the heck are you typing with, Bruce?
>
>David Malone.
Be thankful that he is only holding on to ferrules and not his shaft
Bert <-- where the hell is my cue?
Bruce Boyd
each hand, one hand huntin' and peckin', and another hand on a 'shaft'?
--
Bruce
Protection Island
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