Cues Used at World Championship 2004
Miscue
used at the 2004 World Pool Championship in Taipei.
http://www.worldpoolchampionship.com/
Here ate the top four cues used out of 128 professional players:
1. Predator 30%
2. Schon 8%
3. Bear 7%
4. Joss 3%
I am surprised to see that 30% of the players are using Predator.
Akikumo Toshikawa Cue Tec
Al Logan Schon
Alan Rolon Predator
Alan Tan Predator
Alex Lely Predator
Alex Pagulayan Schon with Predator shaft
Alok Kumar John Parris Snooker cue
Andreja Klasovic Bear
Anthony Ginn Predator
Antonio Gabica Edwin Reyes Custom Cue
Antonio Lining Schon
Charlie Williams Predator
Chatchawan Rutphae Adam
Che-wei Fu~~~ N/A
Chia-Ching Wu N/A
Chien-Chen Huang Joss
Chin-Ching Kang N/A
Ching-Shun Yang South West
Chris Orme Schon
Chun-Yang Hsu Ed Prewitt
Cliff Thorburn Predator
Corey Harper Ariel Carmeli
Dan Basavich Richard Neighbor
Danny Harriman McDermott
Daryl Peach Viking, Predator, Oliver Stopps
David Alcaide Predator
David Anderson Predator
David Reljic Predator
Dennis Orcollo Predator
Earl Strickland Cuetec
Efren Reyes Phillipines-made cue
Emile Riera Predator
Erik Weiselius McDermott, Predator
Ernesto Dominguez Tad
Fabio Petroni Longoni
Fong-pang Chao Gina
Francisco Bustamante Bear
Gabriel Carral Pechauer Custom Cue
Gandy Valle Predator
Giovanni Orozco N/A
Gustavo Espinoza Laguna
Hanni Al Howri Omen
Hiroshi Takenaka Zac
Hisashi Yamamoto Lambros
Hui-Kai Hsia Tim
Hung-Hsiung Wang Taiwanese cue
Ibrahim Bin Amir DC
Imran Majid Bear, Predator
Ismael Paez McDaniel Custom Cue
Ivica Putnik Bear
James Kay Joss
Jang-Su Lee Pechauer Custom Cue
Jeremy Jones Schuler
Jimmy Henry Predator
John Lopez N/A
Johnny Archer Scorpion
Jorge Llanos Predator
Jose Parica Schon
Kamarudin Yudharman Schon
Kasper Kristoffersen Predator
Kazuo Furuta Gina
Kevin Hew Balabushka
Kevin Smith Predator
Kevin Uzzell Predator
Konstantin Stepanov Predator
Kunihiko Takahashi Mezz
Lee Vann Corteza Predator
Luc Salvas Schon
Marc Holtz Schon
Marco Bacarcic Bear
Marco Tschudi Joss
Marcus Chamat Predator
Marko Lohtander Predator
Markus Juva Edwin Reyes Custom Cue
Marlon Manalo Predator
Martin Kempter Gullassy
Matthew McInnes Predator
Max Eberle Schon with Predator shaft
Michael Schmidt Oliver Ortmann Custom Cue
Michael Valentine Predator
Mika Immonen Capone Custom Cue
Mike Davis Eddie Anderson
Ming-Wei Chien Gina
Nick van den Berg Musashi
Niclas Bergendorff Predator
Niels Feijen Longoni
Oliver Ortmann Kruger by BCE
Pat Holtz Falcon
Patrick Ooi Predator
Pei-Wei Chang Master
Phil Reilly Predator
Phil Wilkinson N/A
Po-Cheng Kuo N/A
Radoslaw Babica Bear
Raj Hundal Bear
Ralf Souquet Joss
Ramil Gallego Predator
Raymond Hauge Helmstetter
Richard Wolff Predator
Rico Diks Black Boar
Rodney Morris Fury
Rodolfo Luat Lambros
Sascha Trautmann Arthur
Satoshi Kawabata Olivie
Seung-Woo Ryu Hanbat
Shintaro Sugaya Ted Harris
Shin-Young Park Schon
Siaw Wieto Predator 3K6
Stefan Sellberg Predator
Steve Davis John Parris snooker cue
Steve Lillis Meucci with Predator shaft
Surathep Phoochalam Adam
Takeshi Okumura Mezz
Thomas Engert McDermott
Thomas Hasch Vollmer
Thorsten Hohmann Vollmer
Thorsten Schober Vollmer
Timothy Hall Hunter
Tom Storm Bear
Tommy Donlon Meucci
Tony Crosby Casanova
Tony Drago John Parris
Vilmos Foldes Bear
Vittorio De Falco Samsara
Warren Kiamco Predator
Ying-Chieh Chen Sasha
Young-Hwa Jeong Predator
Yulan Govender N/A
Bob Johnson
Olivier before taking up with Lucasi for sponsorship reasons.
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"Miscue" <jonathan...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Patrick Johnson
> ... at the 2004 World Pool Championship in Taipei...
> ... 30% of the players are using Predator.
Must be the "Broomstick" model.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
Mark Maxey
Note that I consider Schon a production cue by today's standards.
Despite how popular Southwest and Scruggs cues are for whatever reason I
rarely see anyone actually playing with them in tournaments.
Jimbo Ct
This I find interesting, Efren is known to use a Judd and he used a Judd in the
WPC, but it was around this time he was going to make a switch to a cue made by
Edwin Reyes (no relation) then at the US Open he was back to his Judd, seems
either politics got in the way or he was just trying to scam a cue out of
Edwin, either wouldn't surprise me.
>Despite how popular Southwest and Scruggs cues are for whatever reason I
>rarely see anyone actually playing with them in tournaments.
in the 2003 US Open Parica used a SW cue although he wore a falcon cue jacket
and was announced as a team FURY member... Odd.
Also JJ used an Olivier when he won the US Open but then struck a deal with
Shuler, who knows what he using now. If I were a pro and just won the US Open I
don't think I'd make a change.
Jim <----Team SW
Erik Jørgensen
> Mika Immonen Capone Custom Cue
I wouldn't take this list too seriously, because this is wrong for sure.
Some of the other listing also seem fishy. Mika is using a Mezz as he's
sponsored by them now. Heck, in an interview with Sky Sports before the
Bergendorff match he even says:
"just changed my cue a couple of months ago into Mezz cues and it's really
working well for me".
(No, I don't have that good a memory, I just checked the match.)
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David Malone
wrote:
>I am surprised to see that 30% of the players are using Predator.
I'm not... if you get sponsored to play with a cue, the likelyhood is
that you'll take the money and run. Marcus Chamat for example was
playing with a Layani until the WPC last year when a large percentage
of European players suddenly switched to Predator.
I'm not naive enough to think all of those players suddenly decided
that Predator was a better cue.
David "The Hamster" Malone
David Malone
wrote:
>Here ate the top four cues used out of 128 professional players:
>1. Predator 30%
>2. Schon 8%
>3. Bear 7%
>4. Joss 3%
Not that it changes anything significantly but you should add the
Falcons to the Bear stats because it's the same company.
I imagine LCS and Hank would be pleased to see a couple of Pechauers
in the list...
David "The Hamster" Malone
Mark Maxey
Barry C.
How things change... Danny was showing me his Pechauer this weekend, with
his name engraved on it....
Barry C.
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Jimbo Ct
Yup, I have many offers for sponsorship, but Laurie won me over.
Jim <-----Team SW to the bone:-)
Ron Shepard
mal...@ca.ibm.com (David Malone) wrote:
> >I am surprised to see that 30% of the players are using Predator.
>
> I'm not... if you get sponsored to play with a cue, the likelyhood is
> that you'll take the money and run.
It was Predator policy a few years ago that they did not sponsor
players. Perhaps this has changed now. Do you have a web site with
a list of the players that they sponsor? Or do you have any player
web sites that advertise Predator sponsorship?
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Bob Johnson
the hell! So would I given the opportunity!
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Jimbo Ct
>players.
That would be their claim yet it's also their policy to give FREE shafts to
players. I think we all know that pool players like anything free. I consider
$300 pieces of wood to be some sort of compensation, but I guess it's all in
how you want to read into it.
Jim <----Likes free crap
Ron Shepard
jim...@aol.comnojunk (Jimbo Ct) wrote:
Not just free shafts, but the top players can get free entire cues.
But, on the other hand, this puts them on a level playing field with
most other production cue makers, so the fact remains that if 30% of
the players choose Predator shafts or cues over the other equally
available brands, that means that, well, 30% of the players choose
Predator shafts, which was the original observation.
Nonetheless, it is not clear if Predator still has the same policy.
At their web site, they have pictures of players who use their
shafts. The heading of that page says that they are not paid to do
so. However, if you find some of the individual players web pages
(like Hoffstater and Baretta, for example), some of them include
Predator in their endorsement/sponsor list. I might understand a
player *endorsing* a product without payment if they really do
believe it does something useful, but I don't think a player would
claim that Predator *sponsors* them without them actually getting
paid just to get a shaft or a production cue; if they did, then that
would eliminate the possibility for paid sponsorship from some
competitor, which doesn't seem like good business to me.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
David Malone
<ron-s...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:
>At their web site, they have pictures of players who use their
>shafts. The heading of that page says that they are not paid to do
>so.
Actually what it says is "What do over 50% of the top ranked male
pro's in the USA all have in common?.....They all use Predator
technology without being paid to do so."
That's in the USA only. In Europe apparently that's not the case and
they very cleverly skirt around the issue. Marcus Chamat's site also
lists his sponsor as "Predator Cues".
>However, if you find some of the individual players web pages
>(like Hoffstater and Baretta, for example), some of them include
>Predator in their endorsement/sponsor list.
I could probably find you a lot more if I had the time. Jennifer Chen
is a puzzle. I can find references for her being sponsored by Falcon
as well as Predator, and she's listed on Thierry Layani's site as
endorsing Layani cues.
>I don't think a player would
>claim that Predator *sponsors* them without them actually getting
>paid just to get a shaft or a production cue
I agree.
David "The Hamster" Malone
Sherm Adamson
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You both think wrong! IMHO, they give away as many as they sell! Just not to
the public. They charge through the ass for what they sell, to pay for all
the advertising and "player reps" they give them to.
just more hot air!
Sherm
Ray Fichthorn
David Malone wrote:
Jennifer Chen
> is a puzzle. I can find references for her being sponsored by Falcon
> as well as Predator, and she's listed on Thierry Layani's site as
> endorsing Layani cues.
>
I have seen her 3 times on TV (don't recall the dates/circumstances)... and she was shooting with
her Cognoscenti..
Ray
Bernie Cosell
} On 28 Oct 2004 16:36:13 -0700, jonathan...@comcast.net (Miscue)
} wrote:
}
} >I am surprised to see that 30% of the players are using Predator.
}
} I'm not... if you get sponsored to play with a cue, the likelyhood is
} that you'll take the money and run. Marcus Chamat for example was
} playing with a Layani until the WPC last year when a large percentage
} of European players suddenly switched to Predator.
And indeed, one way to view that is that the actual *brand* of cue you use
is largely irrelevant... and so all of the hype about how important THIS
feature or THAT is is probably just that: mostly hype [or else the top
players wouldn't jeopardize their chances by using lesser equipment].
[and I think that's actually been mentioned here before: that once you pay
enough to get decent workmanship in a cue, most all other considerations
are pretty much moot]
/Bernie\
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