Cues The Pro's Use
SSinn78667
I was curious if anyone had ever compiled a list of the cues that the top
players are using along with tip type/hardness and size,weight etc.?
I see the cuemaker and casemaker list and I wonder if it has'nt been done or if
it can as these things seem to change daily.
I would also be curious as to how often players change their cue brand or tip
size or weight.
Anyone know?
Shane Sinnott
Predator
Beach Shooter
1998:
1. Jose Parica - Olivier - 19.75oz - 13mm shaft
2. Buddy Hall - Meucci (Note: could win with house cue)
3. Francisco Bustamante - Bear Custom - 19.5oz - 12.5mm shaft
4. Rodolfo Luat - Philippine Cue - 20oz - 12.8mm shaft
5. Efren Reyes - Olivier - 19.75 - 13mm shaft
6. Earl Strickland - Cuetec (custom shaft) - 19oz - 13mm
7. Jim Rempe - Meucci (Note: could win with house cue)
8. Danny Medina - Olivier - 19.3oz - 13mm shaft
9. Kim Davenport - Szamboti - 19.5 oz - 12.75mm shaft
10. Johnny Archer - Schon - 20.5oz - 12.75mm shaft
11. Leonardo Andam - Price - 19.5oz - 13mm shaft
12. Mike Coltrain - Schon - 19.5oz - 12.5mm shaft
An interesting note is the number of players that use a shaft smaller than
13mm (Over 50% with top 24 players)
SSinn78667 wrote in message
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Ron Shepard
ssinn...@aol.com (SSinn78667) wrote:
>I was curious if anyone had ever compiled a list of the cues that the top
>players are using along with tip type/hardness and size,weight etc.?
The BCA had such a web page for the 100 or so players participating in the
1997 world championship last year. They also published this information
for both the 1994 and 1997 tournaments in the tournament programs. I also
think that someone did some statistics on cue weight and tip diameter from
this data.
>I would also be curious as to how often players change their cue brand or tip
>size or weight.
>Anyone know?
Presumably, some of this could be determined by comparing the '94 and '95
programs. But this is only a small number of the pros. If you mean the
rest of us recreational players, then that would be an interesting
statistic too. I know a few players who seem to be shooting with a new
stick every couple of months. I played with the same stick (Huebler) for
25 years, and I switched about a year ago to a new one (Mariposa), and it
took me a couple of months just to adjust (different length, weight,
balance, and a Predator shaft, in case you are interested). I think that
P&B does an annual survey about player habits (hours/week playing pool,
favorite games, etc.), but I don't remember if this question is in their
list.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Bob Johnson
the cuemaker, and which ones shoot with the particular cue by choice. In
other words, of the top pros, which ones buy their own cues?
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
Home of the World Champion Broncos!
bo...@cris.com
Beach Shooter wrote in message <6vggp7$3al$1...@news-2.news.gte.net>...
>Here's what the top 12 players on the Camel Pro Tour were using as of March
>1998:
>
>1. Jose Parica - Olivier - 19.75oz - 13mm shaft
>2. Buddy Hall - Meucci (Note: could win with house cue)
>3. Francisco Bustamante - Bear Custom - 19.5oz - 12.5mm shaft
>4. Rodolfo Luat - Philippine Cue - 20oz - 12.8mm shaft
>5. Efren Reyes - Olivier - 19.75 - 13mm shaft
>6. Earl Strickland - Cuetec (custom shaft) - 19oz - 13mm
>7. Jim Rempe - Meucci (Note: could win with house cue)
>8. Danny Medina - Olivier - 19.3oz - 13mm shaft
>9. Kim Davenport - Szamboti - 19.5 oz - 12.75mm shaft
>10. Johnny Archer - Schon - 20.5oz - 12.75mm shaft
>11. Leonardo Andam - Price - 19.5oz - 13mm shaft
>12. Mike Coltrain - Schon - 19.5oz - 12.5mm shaft
>
>An interesting note is the number of players that use a shaft smaller than
>13mm (Over 50% with top 24 players)
>
>SSinn78667 wrote in message
><19981007125659...@ng-fb1.aol.com>...
>>
>>I was curious if anyone had ever compiled a list of the cues that the top
>>players are using along with tip type/hardness and size,weight etc.?
>>I see the cuemaker and casemaker list and I wonder if it has'nt been done
>or if
>>it can as these things seem to change daily.
>>I would also be curious as to how often players change their cue brand or
>tip
>>size or weight.
>>Anyone know?
>>
>>Shane Sinnott
>>Predator
>
>
Qnut9
Here are a few players from the 1997 WPA 9-Ball Championship program;
Fong Pang Chao- Gina/19.5oz/12.4mm,
Takeshi Okumura- Meucci/19oz/13mm,
Efrin Reyes- */*/*,
Ralf Souquet- Joss/19.54oz/13mm,
Mika Immonen- Longoni/*/*,
Oliver Ortmann- Ortmann/*/*,
Tom Storm- Bear/*/*,
Nick Varner- Meucci/18.5oz/13mm,
Kim Davenport- Meucci/19.25oz/12.8mm,
Johnny Archer- Schön/19.5oz/13mm,
Allen Hopkins- Costas/19oz/12.75mm,
C J Wiley- McDermott/19.5oz/12.75mm,
Earl Strickland- Cuetec/19oz/13mm,
Roger Griffis- Various/19.5oz/12.75mm,
Alison Fisher- Cuetec/18.5oz/13mm,
Gerda Hofstatter- Predator/18.5oz/13mm,
Helena Thornfeldt- Viking/*/*,
Jeanette Lee- McDermott/19oz/12.75mm,
Robin Dodson- Judd/19.5oz/13mm,
Ewa Laurance- Brunswick/18.75oz/12.5mm,
Loree Jon Jones- */*/*,
Vivian Villareal- Omega/19.25oz/13mm,
Mary Guarino- Joss West/19.25oz/12.4mm.
* No information given.
Ron Shepard
<bo...@cris.com> wrote:
>It would be very interesting if this could show which ones are sponsored by
>the cuemaker, and which ones shoot with the particular cue by choice. In
>other words, of the top pros, which ones buy their own cues?
I think it's safe to assume that none of the pros "buy" their own cues.
Maybe there are some exceptions, but even the lower-rated pros have offers
all the time to play with various sticks. This isn't exactly
"sponsorship", which usually involves also salaries, travel and entry fee
support, paid exhibitions, magazine and TV advertising, and so on. Most
of these sticks that are donated to the various players are just resold,
perhaps without actually having been played with. Perhaps there is some
useful information about stick quality from those nonsponsored pros if
they consistently use a particular stick, even if they didn't actually buy
it in a store with their own money the way the rest of us would, but it is
not as definitive of a statement as I expect you would like.
I think the question you really want to ask is which players choose their
cues based on playing characteristics and which players choose their cues
based on other factors. I don't think you will get a satisfactory answer
from any pro on this one. If they are sponsored, they aren't going to
bite the hand that feeds them or purposely cultivate a reputation as a
loose cannon; if they aren't sponsored, they aren't going to scare away
any potential sponsors. I think the best answer you can hope for is
knowing that a particular cue is good enough for them to play with.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Tom Bellhouse
>
> In article <6vgnau$j...@journal.concentric.net>, "Bob Johnson"
> <bo...@cris.com> wrote:
>
> >It would be very interesting if this could show which ones are sponsored by
> >the cuemaker, and which ones shoot with the particular cue by choice. In
> >other words, of the top pros, which ones buy their own cues?
>
> I think it's safe to assume that none of the pros "buy" their own cues.
Ron,
Mike Gulyassy plays with a Mike Gulyassy. Hard to know who
profited more from the deal...
Best,
Tom Bellhouse
Ron Shepard
(Qnut9) wrote:
> Here are a few players from the 1997 WPA 9-Ball Championship program;
I happen to have an old 1994 program handy, and here is the corresponding
info from that year:
1997 1994
Fong Pang Chao- Gina/19.5oz/12.4mm, same
Takeshi Okumura- Meucci/19oz/13mm, Richard Black/18.6/12.7 <--winner in '94
Ralf Souquet- Joss/19.54oz/13mm, Meucci/19.2/13
Mika Immonen- Longoni/*/*, Longoni/19/13
Oliver Ortmann- Ortmann/*/*, Ortmann/19.5/12.3
Tom Storm- Bear/*/*, McDermott/19.5/13.25
Gerda Hofstatter- Predator/18.5oz/13mm, Joss/19.25/12.5
^^ 12.75?
Helena Thornfeldt- Viking/*/*, Falcon/19/*
Jeanette Lee- McDermott/19oz/12.75mm, Falcon/19.5/12.75
Robin Dodson- Judd/19.5oz/13mm, Helmstetter/19.25/12.75
Ewa Laurance- Brunswick/18.75oz/12.5mm, Brunswick/19/12.75
Loree Jon Jones- */*/*, Meucci/*/*
Vivian Villareal- Omega/19.25oz/13mm, Omega/19.5/13
Mary Guarino- Joss West/19.25oz/12.4mm. Dennis Kepley/19.3/12.75
Some others from the '94 program:
Yu-Hsu Lu- Southwest/19.5/12.8
Hao-Ping Chang- Southwest/19.5/12.8
Ching-Shun Yang- Southwest/19.5/12.8
Kuang-I Lin- Adam/19.5/12.9
Yi-Che Kuo- Cognoscenti/19.3/13
Chi-Yao Chang- Adam/19.6/13
Chung-Chien Huang- Gina/19.5/13
Wen-Ping Chang- Libra/19.4/13
Yasunari Itsuzaki- Tad/18.5/12.7
Hirouiki Katoh- Southwest/18.5/13.2
Tetsuo Uchiyama- Dan Built/19.25/12
Atsushi Shiraiwa */19/12.8
Fidel Punzalan- Philippine-made/19/12.5
Warren Kiamco- Philippine-made/18/12
Craig Duffy- */17.5/10
Eddie Charlton- Adam/19/13
Lou Condo- Brunswick/19.5/12
Peter Udycz- Stagg/17.5/9.5
Bruce Anderson- Barracuda/18/11
Bruce Wilkinson- Dufferin/20/13
Phil Reilly- Snooker Cue/17/10
Warren King- Powerglide/17.5/10
Tobias Ragossnig- */19.5/13
Andreas Vondenhoff- Huebler/19/13.3
Thomas Engert- Cuetec/20/13
Rudi Zick- Falcon/19/13
Erwin Hartl- Ortmann/18.5/12.5
Gunther Geisen- Ortmann/19.5/12.75
Herbert Friedemann- Classic/20/13.3
Thomas Hasch- Mali/19/13
Martin Poguntke- Bear/19.5/13
Carsten Holzer- Richard Black/20/13
Raymond Hauge- Helmstetter/18.5/13
Jeff White- Cuetec/20/12
Ernesto Dominguez- Tad/20/13
Ismael Paez- Tad/19.5/13
Rafael Hernandez- Meucci/19/13
Luis Lasalle- */21/13
Leil Gay- Richard Black/20/12.5
Michael Zuglan- Joss/19.5/12.5
Robert Hunter- Bob Hunter/19.5/12.75
Wade Crane- Bludworth/19.5/13
Bill Meacham- Kikel/18.75/13
Mike Gulyassy- Espiritu/19.5/12.75
Grady Mathews- Schon/19.5/*
Lou Butera- Schrager/19.75/13
Ray Martin- Szamboti/19.5/13
Mark Wilson- McDermott/18/12.75
Gaston Leblanc- Balabushka/20/13
Ron Casanzio- Meucci/18.75/12.75
Orlando Kelkboom- Black Boar/19.75/13
Johnny Hellmund- McDermott/19/13
Javier G. G. Juarez- Mali/16/12
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Chris
who makes them and what are the specifications? Specifically I would like
to know what Allison Fisher shoots with i.e. taper and composition of the
shaft and ferule? Any help thanks in advance.
-C
Qnut9 wrote in message <19981007185748...@ng136.aol.com>...
>
>Here are a few players from the 1997 WPA 9-Ball Championship program;
>
Deno J. Andrews
Specifically I would like to know what Allison Fisher shoots with i.e.
taper and composition of the shaft and ferule? Any help thanks in
advance.
Chris,
I was at a tournament she played in last weekend (the company I work for
sponsored the tournament, so I went) and asked her the same question.
She plays with a STANDARD...off the rack cue-tec. She said something
like they sent me some cues and I picked out the one I liked the best.
Deno
Paul J. Mon
fred....@nypro.com
"Paul J. Mon" <226...@ovmail.kodak.com> wrote:
<snip?
> Last time I saw him play Dennis Hatch was using a Predator
>
Last time I saw Dennis play was this past weekend. He had a gorgeous Dan
Deshaw. Grady Matthews used a Predator. George San Souci used a Mike
Lambros. Mike Zuglan (3rd hand info) was using an old Adams. Anybody know
if this is true? -- Fred Agnir
-Believer in special voodoo magic-
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fred....@nypro.com
"Beach Shooter" <beac...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Here's what the top 12 players on the Camel Pro Tour were using as of March
> 1998:
>
> 1. Jose Parica - Olivier - 19.75oz - 13mm shaft
> 2. Buddy Hall - Meucci (Note: could win with house cue)
> 3. Francisco Bustamante - Bear Custom - 19.5oz - 12.5mm shaft
> 4. Rodolfo Luat - Philippine Cue - 20oz - 12.8mm shaft
> 5. Efren Reyes - Olivier - 19.75 - 13mm shaft
> 6. Earl Strickland - Cuetec (custom shaft) - 19oz - 13mm
> 7. Jim Rempe - Meucci (Note: could win with house cue)
> 8. Danny Medina - Olivier - 19.3oz - 13mm shaft
> 9. Kim Davenport - Szamboti - 19.5 oz - 12.75mm shaft
> 10. Johnny Archer - Schon - 20.5oz - 12.75mm shaft
> 11. Leonardo Andam - Price - 19.5oz - 13mm shaft
> 12. Mike Coltrain - Schon - 19.5oz - 12.5mm shaft
>
We can assume that all these players could win with a house cue.
John Collins
Tom Bellhouse wrote in message <361C0A22...@cyberhighway.net>...
Mike Gulyassy profited most. He can thank Russ Espiritu if his cues play
good which they should.
P.S. For whoever asked, Mike Sigel makes his cues himself and has no plans
to play again on the pro tour.
However I say when the money is right and the tour secure we will probably
see Captain Hook sailing again.
John
Ron Shepard
>> >
>> >Shane Sinnott
>> >Predator
>Last time I saw him play Dennis Hatch was using a Predator
There are several pros who are using Predators. In the Viking tournament
I played in last weekend, I think that the top three finishers used either
Predator cues or Predator shafts.
Shane, can you say what kind of deals Clawson is making with these various
players? Are they buying their own sticks, are you giving them sticks for
free, are you paying them salaries, entry fees, etc.? I'm not asking for
private information about the specifics of the deals, just general
information about what level of support these players are getting from
Clawson.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Paul J. Mon
>
>
>
> Last time I saw Dennis play was this past weekend. He had a gorgeous Dan
> Deshaw. Grady Matthews used a Predator. George San Souci used a Mike
> Lambros. Mike Zuglan (3rd hand info) was using an old Adams. Anybody know
>
> -Believer in special voodoo magic-
>
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Thanks for the udate on Dennis Hatch. I've seen Dan Dishaw's cues
and they are really nice as Dan is a fine craftsman, he has refinished a
few shafts and retipped for me. At this time I can not afford to buy
one of his creations, I'll stick with my Meucci with the 314 shaft.
Regards.............paul
--Nixon
(shortened)
> Chris,
> I was at a tournament she played in last weekend (the company I work for
> sponsored the tournament, so I went) and asked her the same question.
> She plays with a STANDARD...off the rack cue-tec. She said something
> like they sent me some cues and I picked out the one I liked the best.
> Deno
Deno;
Whatever it was she used it with great skill. Nice meeting you
and Allison/Gerda/Ewa/Nikki, etc., etc., - - -
Sorry I missed your spectacular demo on Sunday. Everyone,
and specifically Chris, said to tell you it was a very
enjoyable addition to the tournament.
Dave
--
/s/David Nixon n...@ibm.net ni...@m-y.net
Optimism. It's the only attitude that makes any
sense in this world.
Robert Nicholson
Patrick Johnson
> > 1. Jose Parica - Olivier - 19.75oz - 13mm shaft
> > 2. Buddy Hall - Meucci (Note: could win with house cue)
> > 3. Francisco Bustamante - Bear Custom - 19.5oz - 12.5mm shaft
> > 4. Rodolfo Luat - Philippine Cue - 20oz - 12.8mm shaft
> > 5. Efren Reyes - Olivier - 19.75 - 13mm shaft
> > 6. Earl Strickland - Cuetec (custom shaft) - 19oz - 13mm
> > 7. Jim Rempe - Meucci (Note: could win with house cue)
> > 8. Danny Medina - Olivier - 19.3oz - 13mm shaft
> > 9. Kim Davenport - Szamboti - 19.5 oz - 12.75mm shaft
> > 10. Johnny Archer - Schon - 20.5oz - 12.75mm shaft
> > 11. Leonardo Andam - Price - 19.5oz - 13mm shaft
> > 12. Mike Coltrain - Schon - 19.5oz - 12.5mm shaft
> >
>
> We can assume that all these players could win with a house cue.
This is said time and again, and I don't always bother to disagree, but this time
it's too good an example to pass up. Any one of these guys could beat you or me
with a house cue, but I doubt that any of them would take his chances with a
house cue against the others on that list. I also don't think they'd try it with
a production cue from their sponsor that they didn't like.
Jimbo Ct
Off the rack ??? Pa lease>She plays with a STANDARD...off the rack<---In case
you didn't know thats what shes paid to say. it's not the mens tournament I
think she could grab a house cue off the wall and lick all the other
contestants.
Jim <---Thinks Alison is that much better.
Deno J. Andrews
>
> Off the rack ??? Pa lease>She plays with a STANDARD...off the rack<---In case
> you didn't know thats what shes paid to say.
Well I saw the cue, and there is nothing custom about it. Same
shaft...wood covered by some sort of fiberglass, standard ferrule...the
only difference is the Moori tip.
Deno
Carl D. Cravens
>We can assume that all these players could win with a house cue.
If they can, why do so many play with custom cues? I suppose that it's
an "every edge you can get" thing, and it's not like *they're* paying
for their own cues. Jim Rempe says his fancy cue makes him feel
special.
I'm fairly new to pool (well, I played snooker a couple times a year on
my great grandfather's table in the basement since I was six, but I
still can't shoot straight and should be considered an absolute
beginner) and having scoured the net and library for all the information
I could find, the general concensus seems to be that the cue isn't all
that important... you need one that meets certain criteria, but it
doesn't take several hundred (or thousand) dollars to meet this
criteria.
Then I find this video where a pair of major international players state
that you must get a custom cue because having a custom cue will give you
a 35% increase in ablity. Then I notice that this video is written and
produced by a major custom cue manufacturer. I wondered why the video
put so much emphasis on the cue... in fact, they spent more time talking
about the cue than many other (IMO more important) aspects of play.
I find it hard to believe that the cue can have that much effect on
anybody's game. I can see that owning a cue so that you play with the
same cue every time is important. And that you can get a cue that's too
cheap... if it doesn't last or warps quickly (or has slip on ferrules
and screw-in tips, ala Sportcraft) it's a waste of money.
Sometimes I have to wonder if the whole cue thing isn't a "boys and
toys" thing. We all like to spend money on things we don't need. Our
friends (or opponents) are impressed that we can spend a thousand bucks
on a stick. And I'm sure that having a high-dollar cue builds
confidence for a lot of people. But do we really need to spend much on
a cue? One book I read said to spend $200-300 dollars on your first
cue. I think it was a web page (the entertaining older guy that passed
away recently?) that said to spend at least $50.
If you had a really tight budget, a wife who frowned on spending money
on any toys for awhile, were immune to embarrassment from friends who
might sneer at a particular brand, and you absolutely had to play pool
with your own cue... what's the bare minimum you would buy? Say you
figure on getting the budget cleaned up in a couple years and having the
money to spend a few hundred on a cue later on... what cue could you
"make do" with?
--
Carl D. Cravens (rave...@southwind.net)
My reality check just bounced.
Toni Chin
cue on earth. There are dozens of cues in the $100.00 range that play great.
However, there are intangibles that come into effect such as intimidation
factors, luxury factors, etc.
(Example: You can buy an expensive deodorant soap but I've never found
anything that works better that Ivory.)
Carl D. Cravens wrote in message ...
Frank
Carl D. Cravens wrote in message ...
state
>that you must get a custom cue because having a custom cue will give
you
>a 35% increase in ablity. Then I notice that this video is written
and
>produced by a major custom cue manufacturer. I wondered why the
video
>put so much emphasis on the cue... in fact, they spent more time
talking
>about the cue than many other (IMO more important) aspects of play.
This sounds like marketing hype to me. A bad cue (warped, loose
ferrule, etc.) will hurt your game, but the best cue in the world will
not make a big improvement by itself. What having your own cue(lets
just assume it is straight and has a good hit and small squirt) does
do for you is"
1) make you feel good like Rempe said, and
2) lend some consistency to your game. It is difficult to compensate
for squirt and throw if you are changing cues every time you play. By
having your own cue you will be more consistent and this will build
confidence. I feel that confidence is the most important part of the
game (after good basics, of course).
Now, do you need a "custom" cue? I can't say. I use one, but an entry
level cue (sometimes called a sneaky pete, but some times a sneaky
pete is a reworked house cue, depends on the cuemaker) is probably
what a beginner would "need". If money is not an issue, go for a high
end cue. You will like it better (confidence) and so will the
cuemaker. Adding decoration to a cue will not make it play better, but
it may make you feel better, and that will increase your confidence
and pride in your game. It will make the cue go up in value over time
if it is a one of a kind made by a well known cuemaker ( or a not so
well known now, but well known later cuemaker). There are several
cuemakers who read this group and post regularly (and some others who
read but never post), so you can ask them for advice or they may
respond to what I have written (agreeing or disagreeing). The only
"advice" I would give you is to play with as many different types of
cues as possible, made by as many different makers (custom and mass
produced) as you can find BEFORE you decide what you want. It's kind
of like buying a car, drive a few before you buy one, because once you
put your money down, it may be too late (high end cues are different,
and you may actually be able to make a profit, but would not sell mine
in which case I would have to spend more money to get what I really
wanted).
Frank
long...@my-dejanews.com
to Portland OR (actually Gresham, right outside) with a teammate in order to
purchase a cue. Various threads espouse the benefits of differant cue brands
but there is a company, Billiards and Bagels (didn't see any bagels), in
Gresham that, at least for me, revolutionized the process of purchasing a
cue. I must recommend the process, if not the company. The company stocks 70
differant brands and houses more than 1100 cues every day. The owner, Jim, is
extremely knowledgable and begins by asking the purchaser several questions
about the pool games you'll be playing, what sort of stick you've been
playing with, and a price range that you're comfortable with. Armed with that
info (I'm sure I left out some of his questions) he proceeds through the
racks of sticks, eventually choosing about a dozen cues from differant
manufacturers. Jim sets you up on a table and asks you to shoot a variety of
shots with all the chosen cues until you've narrowed the field to two or
three. This takes a couple of hours. Once you've determined the top three,
Jim - based on your choice - heads back to the racks to pull a dozen cues
similar in makeup to ones you've chosen, several brands. From there your job
is to shoot your way through these cues until you've chosen "the one". Along
the way, Jim stops by to suggest a differant stroke or practice shot.
Gentlemen and gentleladies, I am convinced (in my meager knowledge) that this
is the way to select a cue. Jim's claim that this process will improve your
game by 33% may be unprovable, but not unbelievable. My teammate had the
opportunity to test drive at least one dozen major manufacturers' cues and
when he finally parted with his money and we left, he was convinced that he
had found "the one". J. Stevens
Bradley E. Robertson
months ago? Or is it just deja vu?
Brad
Sue Backman
Patrick Johnson wrote in message <361D6B4A...@concentric.net>...
>fred....@nypro.com wrote:
>
>> > 1. Jose Parica - Olivier - 19.75oz - 13mm shaft
>> > 2. Buddy Hall - Meucci (Note: could win with house cue)
>> > 3. Francisco Bustamante - Bear Custom - 19.5oz - 12.5mm shaft
>> > 4. Rodolfo Luat - Philippine Cue - 20oz - 12.8mm shaft
>> > 5. Efren Reyes - Olivier - 19.75 - 13mm shaft
>> > 6. Earl Strickland - Cuetec (custom shaft) - 19oz - 13mm
>> > 7. Jim Rempe - Meucci (Note: could win with house cue)
>> > 8. Danny Medina - Olivier - 19.3oz - 13mm shaft
>> > 9. Kim Davenport - Szamboti - 19.5 oz - 12.75mm shaft
>> > 10. Johnny Archer - Schon - 20.5oz - 12.75mm shaft
>> > 11. Leonardo Andam - Price - 19.5oz - 13mm shaft
>> > 12. Mike Coltrain - Schon - 19.5oz - 12.5mm shaft
>> >
>>
>
this time
>it's too good an example to pass up. Any one of these guys could beat you
or me
>with a house cue, but I doubt that any of them would take his chances with
a
>house cue against the others on that list. I also don't think they'd try
it with
>a production cue from their sponsor that they didn't like.
13. Tommy Kennedy - Lambros
14. Mike Massey - Cuetec
15. Billy Aguero - Richard Chudy
16. Tobias Ragossnig - Espiritu
17. George Michaels - Cognoscenti
18. Jimmy Wetch - Mike Sigel
19. Mike Sigel - guess
Women pros:
20. Allison Fisher - Cuetec
21. Jeanette Lee - McDermott
22. Gerda Hofstatter - Predator
23. Vivian Villarreal - Omega/dpk
24. Helena Thornfeldt - Viking
25. Nikki Benish - Cuetec
26. Robin Dodson - Judd
27. Belinda Campos - Bludworth
28. Dawn Hopkins - Viking
29. Laura Smith - Kikel
30. Maureen Seto - Cognoscenti
31. Kerry Hartsfield - Weston
32. Linda Haywood - Tim Scruggs
33. Darlene Stinson - Cousin's
34. Nadine Mazzola - Joss
35. Jan McWorter - McWorter (big surprise)
36. Dora Valdez - Wes Hunter
By the way, Buddy Hall may play with a Meucci, but not long ago after he
played with a Dennis Searing cue he was heard to say, "It's the finest cue
I've ever played with". I just purchased my first Searing cue, and have to
say it has a fabulous hit, very similar to a Balabushka or Tascarella for a
lot less money.
I think Nick Varner has changed cue sponsors more often than any of the top
men pros - he's on his third (Meucci) in the 8 years I've known him.
Does anyone know which players still use a Balabushka?
Sue Backman
John Walkup
Sounds like a nice cue store. I have heard good things about the
business.
--
**********************************************************************
John Walkup
The Cue Gallery (http://www.cuegallery.com)
Authorized Dealer:
Verl Horn Custom Cues Espiritu Custom Cues
Norman, OK.
Mi...@nospam.seanet.com
Mike
Mark Avlon wrote in message <6vs714$9dp$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>...
>On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:53:27 -0700, "Sue Backman"
><sbac...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>[ a list of pros and the cues they use]
>
>>31. Kerry Hartsfield - Weston
>
>I think she plays with a Bob Runde.
Mark Avlon
Mi...@nospam.seanet.com
bought a Schon from Jim a while back, and went through the same process you
described. Jim is a nice guy that runs a good business. It's nice to see
other people have positive experiences there.
Mike
long...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<6vr4c4$i47$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
michael lambros
He is a player rep. and did not pay for his cue. For the record Mike
Coltrain now plays with a Lambro, and so does Tommy Kenndy.
Mike Lambros
Robert Nicholson wrote in message ...
Carl D. Cravens
>game by 33% may be unprovable, but not unbelievable. My teammate had the
>opportunity to test drive at least one dozen major manufacturers' cues and
>when he finally parted with his money and we left, he was convinced that he
>had found "the one". J. Stevens
So how much did he pay for "the one"?
--
Carl D. Cravens (rave...@southwind.net)
Hail to the sun god, He sure is a fun god, Ra! Ra! Ra!
Larry
twice a year, from Seattle, to talk to Jim and see what "Neat" cues he currently
has on hand. He has temped me over the years with many wonderful cues from so
many different makers, it's really hard to walk away from his shop without buying
anything, but that is where I have gotten my last 3 cues, a Joss, Jackson and
current cue Runde and that is where I send many people, that ask me, where to go
when looking for a good number of different cues at varies prices.
I have also heard, have not called Jim yet, that he has to move his shop really
soon, if so, he might be having a sale on his "on hand" cues.
Larry P.
long...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> I feel this thread is a good place to tell you of the trip I made yesterday
> to Portland OR (actually Gresham, right outside) with a teammate in order to
> purchase a cue. Various threads espouse the benefits of differant cue brands
> but there is a company, Billiards and Bagels (didn't see any bagels), in
> Gresham that, at least for me, revolutionized the process of purchasing a
> cue. I must recommend the process, if not the company. The company stocks 70
> differant brands and houses more than 1100 cues every day. The owner, Jim, is
> extremely knowledgable and begins by asking the purchaser several questions
> about the pool games you'll be playing, what sort of stick you've been
> playing with, and a price range that you're comfortable with. Armed with that
> info (I'm sure I left out some of his questions) he proceeds through the
> racks of sticks, eventually choosing about a dozen cues from differant
> manufacturers. Jim sets you up on a table and asks you to shoot a variety of
> shots with all the chosen cues until you've narrowed the field to two or
> three. This takes a couple of hours. Once you've determined the top three,
> Jim - based on your choice - heads back to the racks to pull a dozen cues
> similar in makeup to ones you've chosen, several brands. From there your job
> is to shoot your way through these cues until you've chosen "the one". Along
> the way, Jim stops by to suggest a differant stroke or practice shot.
> Gentlemen and gentleladies, I am convinced (in my meager knowledge) that this
> is the way to select a cue. Jim's claim that this process will improve your
> game by 33% may be unprovable, but not unbelievable. My teammate had the
> opportunity to test drive at least one dozen major manufacturers' cues and
> when he finally parted with his money and we left, he was convinced that he
> had found "the one". J. Stevens
>
Delta165
WHO CARES
long...@my-dejanews.com
It was that brand, suprising to me it had a coated wrap. My friend had never
heard of the brand (this is McDermott country) and selected the stick pretty
much on "feel". I've got his stats from last year and I'll compare them this
year to see if he gets that 33% increase in proficiency!
Sue Backman
Carl D. Cravens wrote in message ...
>
>an "every edge you can get" thing, and it's not like *they're* paying
>for their own cues. Jim Rempe says his fancy cue makes him feel
>special.
>
>I'm fairly new to pool (well, I played snooker a couple times a year on
>my great grandfather's table in the basement since I was six, but I
>still can't shoot straight and should be considered an absolute
>beginner) and having scoured the net and library for all the information
>I could find, the general concensus seems to be that the cue isn't all
>that important... you need one that meets certain criteria, but it
>doesn't take several hundred (or thousand) dollars to meet this
>criteria.
>
>that you must get a custom cue because having a custom cue will give you
>a 35% increase in ablity. Then I notice that this video is written and
>produced by a major custom cue manufacturer. I wondered why the video
>put so much emphasis on the cue... in fact, they spent more time talking
>about the cue than many other (IMO more important) aspects of play.
>
>anybody's game. I can see that owning a cue so that you play with the
>same cue every time is important. And that you can get a cue that's too
>cheap... if it doesn't last or warps quickly (or has slip on ferrules
>and screw-in tips, ala Sportcraft) it's a waste of money.
>
>Sometimes I have to wonder if the whole cue thing isn't a "boys and
>toys" thing. We all like to spend money on things we don't need. Our
>friends (or opponents) are impressed that we can spend a thousand bucks
>on a stick. And I'm sure that having a high-dollar cue builds
>confidence for a lot of people. But do we really need to spend much on
>a cue? One book I read said to spend $200-300 dollars on your first
>cue. I think it was a web page (the entertaining older guy that passed
>away recently?) that said to spend at least $50.
>
>If you had a really tight budget, a wife who frowned on spending money
>on any toys for awhile, were immune to embarrassment from friends who
>might sneer at a particular brand, and you absolutely had to play pool
>with your own cue... what's the bare minimum you would buy? Say you
>figure on getting the budget cleaned up in a couple years and having the
>money to spend a few hundred on a cue later on... what cue could you
>"make do" with?
>
Carl,
I'd suggest not going below $120-130. For that you can get a nice basic
Mali cue or a Cuetec. I haven't had much luck with most cheap Chinese
imports - the shaft wood just doesn't measure up. Forget inlays and decals
and buy a cue with the best shaft you can get for the money - that's the
business end!
Good luck!
Sue Backman
Chalkers Billiard Club & Pro Shop
Graham Toal
> 14. Mike Massey - Cuetec
The day I played Mike Massey he was claiming his game was off
because he'd started using a Predator shaft the day before and
it was shooting all over the place or some such excuse. I guess you have
to break them in or something. Anyway, Cuetech may be out of
date info by now, unless he ditched the predator.
G
Graham Toal
> (Example: You can buy an expensive deodorant soap but I've never found
> anything that works better that Ivory.)
Cussons Imperial Leather.
(You didn't think you could make a post to this group
without *someone* having a contrary opion...)
G
SSinn78667
after a small adjustment period he is now playing great and said he does'nt
believe he will ever play with anything else!
Regards,
Shane Sinnott
Predator
P.S. In the same week Roger Griffis and Danny Harriman both started playing
with the shaft.That now makes over 40 unpaid Pro's now playing with Predator
Shafts !
John Walkup
Cussons Imperial Leather tastes like motor oil!
lgur...@zdnetmail.com
ssinn...@aol.com (SSinn78667) wrote:
> I spoke to Mike last week and he says that he loves the Predator shaft and
> after a small adjustment period he is now playing great and said he does'nt
> believe he will ever play with anything else!
> Regards,
> Shane Sinnott
> Predator
>
Well, I think the reason he won't ever play with anything else is because
once you get used to the shaft doing your work for you, if you switch to a
regular shaft, you won't make s&*t. It takes time to get used to using
english, and so on, with a stick, and all of a sudden you have to aim less to
the left to make that spin shot, and then you switch again (or had to use a
house cue), and you just lost a couple hundred because you rattled every
other shot because you don't know how to compensate anymore. IMO, of course.
-Lazar
Boston
Jimbo Ct
JIM <-----Depressed at the state of billiards today.
Tom Bellhouse
>
(snip)
> JIM <-----Depressed at the state of billiards today.
Hey Jim,
I'm kind of excited, myself. There are good regional tours.
Grady is having another one-pocket tournament (and it looks like
I'll be there Thursday, Joey. Race to three for the time and a
beer?) There's not the big-bucks national tour for men, but
maybe they'll learn from the ladies and get it together some
day. And I don't particularly care if the top pros in pool don't
make Michael Jordan wages. That's not what it's about.
Meanwhile I can find a tournament to play in on any weekend if I
want, and I live in the sticks. What's the problem?
On the cuestick front, there are a lot of factories churning out
a lot of cues, and good on them. As long as they don't piss me
off by claiming their cue is the best, that is. There are more
individual custom cuemakers than ever before -- some say
thousands ;<), and some may even be making a living. There are
a lot of tables being sold, and a lot of people learning to play
the game.
I grew up in little country pool halls in Arkansas and Texas that
had two tables max, that had holes in the cloth and the slate,
and that smelled like piss because the toilet hadn't worked in
years. Your feet stuck to the floor. Good cues were
nonexistant.
I'm not depressed about the state of pool today.
Best regards,
Tom Bellhouse
==================
Bradley E. Robertson
>
Graham Toal
> Graham Toal wrote:
> >
> > Toni Chin wrote:
> >
> > > (Example: You can buy an expensive deodorant soap but I've never found
> > > anything that works better that Ivory.)
> >
> > Cussons Imperial Leather.
> >
> > (You didn't think you could make a post to this group
> > without *someone* having a contrary opion...)
> >
> > G
>
> Cussons Imperial Leather tastes like motor oil!
Next time, John, don't eat the soap.
G
Mike Page
> (snip)
> > JIM <-----Depressed at the state of billiards today.
>
> Meanwhile I can find a tournament to play in on any weekend if I
> want, and I live in the sticks. What's the problem?
>
Well, some of us live beyond the sticks :-)
> [tables] that had holes in the cloth and the slate,
> and that smelled like piss because the toilet hadn't worked in
> years. Your feet stuck to the floor. Good cues were
> nonexistant.
>
> I'm not depressed about the state of pool today.
>
Holes in the slate?? Was the comment about feet sticking to the floor
related to the previous sentence? I could almost imagine a permanent
state of depression here.
--
mike page
fargo
lgur...@zdnetmail.com
AL11KIDS
how much did it cost again?
hotxxxxxx
cuesti...@yahoo.com
> I was curious if anyone had ever compiled a list of the cues that the top
> players are using along with tip type/hardness and size,weight etc.?
> I see the cuemaker and casemaker list and I wonder if it has'nt been done or if
> it can as these things seem to change daily.
> I would also be curious as to how often players change their cue brand or tip
> size or weight.
> Anyone know?
>
> Shane Sinnott
> Predator
cuesti...@yahoo.com
s129...@gmail.com
> I was curious if anyone had ever compiled a list of the cues that the top
> players are using along with tip type/hardness and size,weight etc.?
> I see the cuemaker and casemaker list and I wonder if it has'nt been done or if
> it can as these things seem to change daily.
> I would also be curious as to how often players change their cue brand or tip
> size or weight.
> Anyone know?
>
> Shane Sinnott
> Predator