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SHVNC

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Aug 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/11/00
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I have a question regarding joint screws. What's a radial pin? I've seen the
term used a lot, but I'm not sure how it's different from a standard screw. Who
uses them, and can you point them out in any of the BlueBook color pics? What's
the advantage? Thanks.

Arnot Q. Wadsworth, III

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You are invited to view a comparison of the most common joint screws
at: http://www.arnotq.com/html/Cue_Construction/joint_screws.html.

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Paul Costain

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SHVNC <sh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I have a question regarding joint screws. What's a radial pin? I've seen
the
> term used a lot, but I'm not sure how it's different from a standard
screw. Who
> uses them, and can you point them out in any of the BlueBook color pics?
What's
> the advantage? Thanks.

You can see a picture of the Radial® Pin at www.uni-loc.com.
The difference is in the style of the thread. Instead of a 60-degree "v"
thread, we use a fast pitch (approximately 6 turns per inch) radius thread.
Instead of the old style 5/16-14 or 5/16-18 that typically fit the shaft
"sloppy" The Radial® Pin is made to very precise tolerances. When installed
correctly, and finish sanded, using our carbide sanding arbor,
interchangeability with the butt is assured. (So when ordering a new shaft
you don't have send out the butt and wait several weeks or months for your
shaft to be matched) The newest Radial pins have an area at the front of
the pin that can be laser engraved with a logo, your name, the cue makers
name, or left alone. The Radial® pin is available in titanium, stainless
steel, brass and aluminum. They are all hand polished and buffed to a
lustrous finish. The Radial® Thread System does not require an insert, so
you get a great feeling wood-to-wood hit. The Radial® tap cuts clean,
accurate threads without the tear-out and chipping associated with the
60degree threads. Using the Radial® System does not involve hard to use
expensive tooling. A center drill, 5/16 drill and the Radial® tap and your
ready to go! It is available to all cue makers, and all say it has made cue
making easier and more accurate than any other thread design. Virtually all
of the custom cue makers are using, or offer the Radial® Thread System.


Paul


SHVNC

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Aug 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/11/00
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Thanks guys.

dhakala

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Yeah, but the $64 question is, "Why do they call it a *Radial*
pin?" :-)


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Fred Agnir

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Paul Costain wrote in message <_eTk5.916$D4.7...@petpeeve.ziplink.net>...

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>You can see a picture of the Radial® Pin at www.uni-loc.com.


Call me challenged, but all I see is a UniLoc joint on that page. I think
Arnot's site shows both the UniLoc and a 3/8 Radial Pin. I'm confused, as
usual.

Fred <---- thought he knew 100% what a radial thread is.

SHVNC

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""Yeah, but the $64 question is, "Why do they call it a *Radial*
pin?" :-)""

Sounds better than "Bias Ply"

jim...@my-deja.com

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In article <qQWk5.925$IH.3...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,

"Fred Agnir" <oha...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Paul Costain wrote in message
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> >
> >You can see a picture of the Radial® Pin at www.uni-loc.com.
>
> Call me challenged, but all I see is a UniLoc joint on that page. I
think
> Arnot's site shows both the UniLoc and a 3/8 Radial Pin. I'm
confused, as
> usual.

=================
Click on "order online", then you'll get a bunch of thumbnail photos.

--JIM BUSS--
http://www.jimbuss.com


>
> Fred <---- thought he knew 100% what a radial thread is.
>
>


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Paul D. Costain

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Sorry Fred use http://www.uni-loc.com/3_radial_pins.jpg


"Fred Agnir" <oha...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Paul Costain wrote in message <_eTk5.916$D4.7...@petpeeve.ziplink.net>...
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> >
> >You can see a picture of the Radial® Pin at www.uni-loc.com.
>
>
> Call me challenged, but all I see is a UniLoc joint on that page. I
think
> Arnot's site shows both the UniLoc and a 3/8 Radial Pin. I'm confused, as
> usual.
>

George McBane

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On 11 Aug 2000 04:32:27 GMT, sh...@aol.com (SHVNC) wrote:

> I have a question regarding joint screws. What's a radial pin? I've seen the
>term used a lot, but I'm not sure how it's different from a standard screw.

A standard screw can be cut from a round bar by digging out a helical channel
with a tool that has a sharp point and straight sides (like a 'V'.) Both the "ditches"
and the "ridges" (where the straight sides intersect) have this sharp shape.
The radial thread is cut with a tool that is rounded at the bottom rather than pointed,
and the tops of the threads are also rounded. If you hold up a normal screw
horizontally and look across it, you see a zigzag. If you hold up a radial
screw, you see something that looks like waves.

>Who
>uses them

Near as I can tell, almost every cuemaker offers them.

-George.


Otto

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Aug 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/11/00
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Great explanation.

Does the term radial relate to the fact that the cutter actually has a
radius?

Otto


"George McBane" <mcb...@chemistry.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
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Greg Miller

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> The radial thread is cut with a tool that is rounded at the bottom rather
than pointed,
> and the tops of the threads are also rounded. If you hold up a normal
screw
> horizontally and look across it, you see a zigzag. If you hold up a
radial
> screw, you see something that looks like waves.


There's two nice close-ups on CK's site
http://www.mtco.com/~cueman/about/philosop.htm

Pierce D. Gill

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Aug 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/14/00
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can you spell SPAM_SPAM_SPAM_SPAM


Paul Costain wrote in message <_eTk5.916$D4.7...@petpeeve.ziplink.net>...
>

>SHVNC <sh...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20000811003227...@ng-ft1.aol.com...

>> I have a question regarding joint screws. What's a radial pin? I've seen
>the
>> term used a lot, but I'm not sure how it's different from a standard

>screw. Who
>> uses them, and can you point them out in any of the BlueBook color pics?
>What's
>> the advantage? Thanks.
>

>You can see a picture of the Radial® Pin at www.uni-loc.com.

MarkO

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Aug 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/14/00
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I disagree, Pierce. Might be a different story if someone hadn't been
asking about them.

Mark0 <---liked learning the details

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nhoop

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Aug 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/14/00
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>""Yeah, but the $64 question is, "Why do they call it a *Radial*
>pin?" :-)""

U'h.....I think the $64 question is what's it cost?

Nat


nhoop

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Aug 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/14/00
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mcb...@chemistry.ohio-state.edu (George McBane) wrote:

>If you hold up a radial screw, you see something that looks like waves.

IOW: It's a rounded-off Acme thread?

What's the point? The standard shaped thread evolved over years as the shape
that tightened the best with the least torque. Why change it?

Nat

ted harris

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Aug 14, 2000, 8:10:58 PM8/14/00
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Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
Thanks for playing!
If you reread the post by Paul Costain, it explains why the thread is
an improvement over V-threaded screws.

Regards,
--
Ted Harris
Ted Harris Custom Cues
website; http://www.tedharris.com
phone; (410)621-0700

>
> IOW: It's a rounded-off Acme thread?
>
> What's the point? The standard shaped thread evolved over years as
the shape
> that tightened the best with the least torque. Why change it?
>
> Nat
>

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George McBane

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:18:49 -0500, nhoop <nh...@centurytel.net> wrote:

>mcb...@chemistry.ohio-state.edu (George McBane) wrote:
>
>>If you hold up a radial screw, you see something that looks like waves.
>

>IOW: It's a rounded-off Acme thread?

Acme is rectangular cross section, standard thread is triangular, radial is
semicircular (or something similar). Radial is more like the knuckle thread
used on light bulbs.


>
>What's the point? The standard shaped thread evolved over years as the shape
>that tightened the best with the least torque. Why change it?

I have no direct knowledge, but I suspect the idea was something
like "avoiding sharp corners on threads cut into wood is a good idea."

Also I suspect that the evolution of standard threads had at least as much
to do with ease of manufacture as with performance.

-George. <-- proud to have once chased a 1/4-56

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