Talisman tip (hard) review
Paul J. Mon
Superb feel, excellent hit and even the sound is pleasing to the ear.
No mushrooming and holds it shape. Now for the bad news, it de-laminated
between the 2nd and 3rd layer (closest to the ferrule) after a break
shot. It did not actually come apart, it made a nasty "pinging" sound
and I could see a gap. I put my old friend the LePro back on. Now
every now and then a LePro will act like this Talisman did, but not
often. I try to pick out a hard feeling LePro but it's subjective at
best. BTW, my Talisman tips came in a plastic bag within an envelope
that had been opened and re-taped. They did not appear to be damaged in
transit. As stated in an earlier post I use Loctite 410 instant
adhesive. Could this have possibly caused the layers to de-laminate?
Never having installed or used a layered tip before is it ok to use
instant adhesives that have a cyanoacrylate base. I'm really bummed
that this fine tip had such a short life. Any comments
appreciated....Paul J. Mon
Bob Johnson
appear to be in good shape.
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
Home of the back to back World Champion Broncos!
bo...@cris.com
Tony Jones <to...@talismanbilliards.com> wrote in message
news:8151g0$jf9$1...@news.inet.co.th...
> Hi Paul,
>
> Its interesting (for us and annoying for you) that you had this problem
with
> the Hard tip. We have had a few reports of delamination on the Medium tips
> but this is the first on the Hard. We screwed up when we sent them out as
we
> did as laminated tips are sensitive to moisture and we didn't really
protect
> against that enough. In addition there is such a thing as a faulty of
> sub-standard tip. This is due to the fact that leather is a natural
material
> and displays a range of properties over an entire hide. We have found the
> occurance of (truely) faulty tips to be very small but it does sometimes
> happen. We spend a lot of time in the selection process of hides to be
used
> on our PRO tips but unfortunately a faulty tip cannot be spotted before,
> during or after production. When we supply cue makers volume amounts we
> usually include some extra tips just in case. For the player that buys
tips
> directly from us we have a 1 for 3 deal. Send me back 1 faulty tip and I
> will send you 3 new ones. This is of course for tips purchased, not the
ones
> we gave away for testing. Anyway, I'll send you another test set so you
can
> try the hard again.
>
>
>
> --
> Tony Jones
> Talisman Billiard Accessories
> www.talismanbilliards.com
> Paul J. Mon <226...@knotes.kodak.com> wrote in message
> news:383578...@knotes.kodak.com...
Tony Jones
T78MON
Thanks for the response Tony. I'll give them another shot when they
arrive. What is the glue of choice for layered tips? Is there any harm in
using instant adhesives? Fred Agnir and I talked yesterday and his
de-laminated between the 3rd and 4th layer. Fred uses Tweeten's 10 minute
cement exclusively, I used Loctite. Any advice would be appreciated.....Paul
Mon
Bob Johnson
Hercules! Tony? Are these actually Hercules tips? Nothing wrong with that
if they are, but why? I'm not complaining, they're cheaper to buy right
now.
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
Home of the back to back World Champion Broncos!
bo...@cris.com
T78MON <t78...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991120161312...@ng-cm1.aol.com...
Steve Calvin
>
in the N.E. U.S. but after seeing the mixed reviews from the group,
I'm a bit skeptical about putting them on...... probably will though
once the question of if instant adhesives are ok for them...
Steve
--
Steve
Bob Johnson
doesn't work with, including the Talismans, Hercules, Triangle, etc.
The only drawback is you have to work fast when centering the tip.
There is no time to slide it around for position!
BOBJNES
but it just came apart.,
Tony
Ken Bour
unlike the experience of others. I used a super glue gel, but I don't
recall the exact name.
My problem is that the tip is now just over a nickel's width in height and
needs to be replaced. This tip wore down faster than I had expected.
Being relatively soft, it does not hold its dime shape that well and needs
to be reshaped after every play session. Secondly, it is not a tall tip to
start with... If I ever put on another one, it will have to include a
backing (which ought to be included for a tip this shallow - IMO).
--
Ken Bour
Sterling, VA
http://www.erols.com/kbour
Tony Jones
Thanks for your comments. Since the Beta Test we are looking at re-grading
our tips. Hardness is created in production by a combination of number of
layers and pressure used during the lamination process. Our new range will
be a s follows:
Soft - like the previous Medium (except one less layer and more pressure)
Medium - Inbetween the previous M & H
Hard - As before but very, very slightly softer.
X Hard - A little harder than the previous Hard.
I think both the new soft and the new medium should be more durable. The
extra pressure will also ensure that it holds the rdius for longer. We had
one person that wrote to us and told that he hit the tip with a hammer for a
while and then reshaped it and it held it radius well.
When these are ready I will send you a set to test.
BTW. How many hours did you put in before the tip reached the nickel height
you mention?
Thanks,
Tony Jones
Talisman Billiard Accessories
www.talismanbilliards.com
Ken Bour <kb...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:81cnlt$gah$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net...
Chris
I was just wondering if you are still sending out test samples. I am not happy
with the factory tip that came with my falcon, and i am considering other
options. Well if you aren't sending out any more i guess ill have to see what
kind of response your tips are getting and decide if i want to buy some. BTW
what is the price, im not sure what hardness i should be buying. I break with a
falcon jump/break and shoot with a McDermott. Thanks for your time and hopefully
i can still get in on the test and help spread the word about your company.
Tony Jones wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> Its interesting (for us and annoying for you) that you had this problem with
> the Hard tip. We have had a few reports of delamination on the Medium tips
> but this is the first on the Hard. We screwed up when we sent them out as we
> did as laminated tips are sensitive to moisture and we didn't really protect
> against that enough. In addition there is such a thing as a faulty of
> sub-standard tip. This is due to the fact that leather is a natural material
> and displays a range of properties over an entire hide. We have found the
> occurance of (truely) faulty tips to be very small but it does sometimes
> happen. We spend a lot of time in the selection process of hides to be used
> on our PRO tips but unfortunately a faulty tip cannot be spotted before,
> during or after production. When we supply cue makers volume amounts we
> usually include some extra tips just in case. For the player that buys tips
> directly from us we have a 1 for 3 deal. Send me back 1 faulty tip and I
> will send you 3 new ones. This is of course for tips purchased, not the ones
> we gave away for testing. Anyway, I'll send you another test set so you can
> try the hard again.
>
> --
> Tony Jones
> Talisman Billiard Accessories
> www.talismanbilliards.com
Tony Jones
Your tips were sent out in the first batch and we believe that the problems
with delamination occurred due to the rough treatment they got in transit
and
moisture absorption. Subsequent batches sent out have had a dramatically
lower incidence of problems. I will arrange for replacements to be sent to
you.
--
Tony Jones
Talisman Billiard Accessories
www.talismanbilliards.com
BOBJNES <bob...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991122163906...@ng-fs1.aol.com...
Ken Bour
> Hi Ken,
>
> Thanks for your comments. Since the Beta Test we are looking at re-grading
> our tips. Hardness is created in production by a combination of number of
> layers and pressure used during the lamination process. Our new range will
> be a s follows:
>
> Soft - like the previous Medium (except one less layer and more pressure)
> Medium - Inbetween the previous M & H
> Hard - As before but very, very slightly softer.
> X Hard - A little harder than the previous Hard.
I've written this comment before, but do consider putting a backing on these
tips, esp. the shorter ones (fewer layers).
> I think both the new soft and the new medium should be more durable. The
> extra pressure will also ensure that it holds the rdius for longer. We had
> one person that wrote to us and told that he hit the tip with a hammer for
a
> while and then reshaped it and it held it radius well.
>
> When these are ready I will send you a set to test.
Thank you. I will test them.
> BTW. How many hours did you put in before the tip reached the nickel
height
> you mention?
Gee, that's a tough question. I would say that I have about 60-70 hours of
play on this Talisman medium tip. It's pretty soft. It needs to be
reshaped after every play session, but I only do it every third time out, on
average. When I do reshape to a dime curvature, it ends up removing a lot
of tip material. I'm going to replace it this weekend. I will probably try
the Talisman Hard (with a backing provided by a friend). From the above
description, it will probably be just right in terms of hardness.
Thanks for sharing the above information with us. It's nice to get a
glimpse into your R&D. I sorta feel like I'm part of the development
process.
BOBJNES
Tony Jones
I put this question on our own forum and I am interested to hear players
thoughts. Would you prefer a backing material or more layers on the tips? We
can add a certian amount of more layers without affecting the hit. I guess
this would be better than a backing material, right???
Tony Jones
Talisman Billiard Accessories
www.talismanbilliards.com
Ken Bour <kb...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:81jn98$8es$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net...
Paul J. Mon
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> I put this question on our own forum and I am interested to hear players
> thoughts. Would you prefer a backing material or more layers on the tips? We
> can add a certian amount of more layers without affecting the hit. I guess
> this would be better than a backing material, right???
>
> Tony Jones
> Talisman Billiard Accessories
> www.talismanbilliards.com
>
>
IMO,a backer would allow for a nice smooth flat surface that would make
installation easier. Currently tips need to be sanded on the glue side
to remove any voids that would cause the glue layer to be uneven. I'm
not sure what other characteristics the backer would influence. Again,
thanks for the opportunity to evaluate and provide feedback
Paul Mon
Ken Bour
with Paul's comment that it makes installation a little easier -- no sanding
of the tip required.
There are a number of tip mfgrs (Triumph, TAD, et al.) who do use backings,
but I don't know the reasons. Does anyone know the pros and cons other
than 1) creating additional height, and 2) making installation easier?
--
Ken Bour
Sterling, VA
http://www.erols.com/kbour
Tony Jones <to...@talismanbilliards.com> wrote in message
news:8208uc$qlt$1...@news.inet.co.th...
> Hi Ken,
>
> I put this question on our own forum and I am interested to hear players
> thoughts. Would you prefer a backing material or more layers on the tips?
We
> can add a certian amount of more layers without affecting the hit. I guess
> this would be better than a backing material, right???
>
> Tony Jones
> Talisman Billiard Accessories
> www.talismanbilliards.com
>
Von Hammack
decrease the chance of the Ivory cracking.
Ken Bour <kb...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:8272b5$36n$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net...