Shaq not a smart player
dec...@tezcat.com
a guy like Matt Geiger?? Shaq's game is power and yet
he whines when someone comes at him with his game, he
has been that way since college, probably before.
I hope he beats his head against that wall forever. The easiest
way to stop teams from fouling him would be for him to develop
A) an outside shot, and B) a foul shot. In the NBA the game is
called take what the defense gives you, but Shaq would rather
be "Diesel" than a guy with a good 12 foot jumper. He is only
limiting himself, evidently he isn't smart enough to realize that.
Shaq only has himself to blame for his frustration.
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Alistair R Burns
puzzle of Geiger. Is deliberately fouling a guy time after time really very
puzzling, maybe if they were double and triple teaming from different sides
each time or trying to deny him the ball I could consider it a puzzle.
Geigers tactics can only be considered thuggery which reduces the game to the
lowest level. A foul is called because you break the rules, doesnt take
a great genius to do it.Injuring one of the best players in the game because
some no-talent stiff can't stop him any other way is a stupid way to go.
-Al
Bill Perry
>So Shaq can't solve the defensive puzzle posed by
>a guy like Matt Geiger?? Shaq's game is power and yet
>he whines when someone comes at him with his game, he
>has been that way since college, probably before.
>
is able to overpower people because he is so strong (which is in the rules),
and so oppenents resort to hacking him (which is usually a foul). Certainly
the other teams are doing the best thing considering his poor free throw
shooting, but shaq also has a right to be upset. Maybe he should hack
Gieger and others a few times to show them what it is like.
Bill Perry
Materials Science and
Engineering Department
North Carolina State University
E-mail: Pe...@mte.ncsu.edu
ambchang
>existing rules or laws? Should there be a technical anytime a player
>fouls while apparently not attempting to make a clean play on the
>ball? The pushing and shoving underneath has to stop, position should
>go the the player who gets there first (I thought this was the rule).
It would be great if we could clean up the refs, cut down the
preferences on those superstars, and pay some respect to the fans!!! We
are not idiots, we can see the fouls. Some of those fouls may be soft, but
if a player uses contact to make the shooter miss a shot, that's a foul! If
a player bumps somebody out of the way after that somebody gained position,
that's a foul!
Stop blowing all those techinicals on players argueing about calls,
the refs MAY BE wrong, too. They are not God, they make mistakes too. If
you realized you screwed up, accept it, stop making stupid calls and wipe
out the whole league.
Al.
Roy Navarre
>So Shaq can't solve the defensive puzzle posed by
>a guy like Matt Geiger??
You are an idiot. That simple enough for you?
Pinhead
Martin E. Lewitt
>So Shaq can't solve the defensive puzzle posed by
>he whines when someone comes at him with his game, he
>has been that way since college, probably before.
Since when is a hack/assault "power"? I speculate that any
NBA bench warmer with the approprate foul intent could manage
to injure Shaq's thumb in this way, given 10 attempts to focus
on the task and not the ball. This doesn't conjure up visions
of power in my mind.
Just because the NBA's only sanction is free throws doesn't mean
the police shouldn't arrest these hackers for assault. Perhaps the
NBA should bring their rules more into line with the law.
>I hope he beats his head against that wall forever. The easiest
>way to stop teams from fouling him would be for him to develop
>A) an outside shot, and B) a foul shot.
This is a judgement call, but it might be possible to get the
NBA to enforce or change its rules with the expenature of fewer
calories than it would take Shaq to develop his shots.
>In the NBA the game is
>called take what the defense gives you, but Shaq would rather
>be "Diesel" than a guy with a good 12 foot jumper. He is only
>limiting himself, evidently he isn't smart enough to realize that.
>Shaq only has himself to blame for his frustration.
I agree that Shaq is not called often enough for his charge/travels and
his push/rebounds. I think the advantage of strength in the game
should be limited to its resulting quickness and leaping ability,
gaining or retaining possesion of the ball when someone else has
briefly gotten a hand or two on it and perhaps an advantage of higher
pecentage scoring on the follow-thru after a foul.
I know some fans voyeristically enjoy violence on the court, but I
believe there are a significant number of fans who try to enjoy
the game vicariously, who love to identify with the players on
the court and imagine themselves among them with the appropriate
size, talent and desire of course. The threat violence brings to
the game is the loss of these fans. Who wants to vicariously be
on the receiving end of Shaq "travel", Karl Malone or Bill Cartright
elbow, or a noname hack. Shaq obviously wasn't enjoying himself,
whose to say we would either? Certainly millions of dollars has
its advantages, but the players shouldn't end up cripples and the
fans will enjoy the game more if the players can enjoy it also.
Now it looks like Shaq's unique talents will be lost to the fans
for nearly one-third of the season, lets hope some good can
come of it.
How can the game be cleaned up? Would it be enough to just enforce the
existing rules or laws? Should there be a technical anytime a player
fouls while apparently not attempting to make a clean play on the
ball? The pushing and shoving underneath has to stop, position should
go the the player who gets there first (I thought this was the rule).
I am a Rocket fan who desires a game I can vicariously enjoy, and who
wants to appreciate the finest competition and talent on the planet.
Unfortunately we won't get to enjoy watching Shaq again for awhile?
Who will we lose next, Hakeem, MJ, Stockton, Clyde? Why shouldn't
these players be able to enjoy the game without facing violent
assaults?
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James Steinberg
Maybe Shaq should learn to shoot free throws plus how to score more than
2 ft away from the basket, then Geiger's tactics would be useless.
p.s. have a fun 6-8 weeks on the sideline Shaq! Lets watch that extra
30-40 pounds of muscle turn to fat.
Sam Whiting
Bill Perry <pe...@mat.mte.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>There is a difference between being a power player and a hack player. Shaq
>is able to overpower people because he is so strong (which is in the rules),
>and so oppenents resort to hacking him (which is usually a foul). Certainly
>the other teams are doing the best thing considering his poor free throw
>shooting, but shaq also has a right to be upset. Maybe he should hack
>Gieger and others a few times to show them what it is like.
>
>Bill Perry
>Materials Science and
>Engineering Department
>North Carolina State University
>E-mail: Pe...@mte.ncsu.edu
The problem we're facing is that the NBA has already tacitly decided this
issue. The precedent has been set by the ubiquitous (hard) foul which
occurs to stop breakaway baskets. Everyone condones it -- heck, it's even
applauded as being a smart play. What's the difference between a hard
foul to stop an open layup and a hard foul to stop Shaq from dunking?
Absolutely nothing. Putting Shaq at the line is just as "smart" a play as
the breakaway foul -- and if one is allowed so should be the other.
Although I feel for him and disapprove of the entire trend, the irony is
that Shaq has certainly played a role in bringing excessively physical
play to the game. He throws his bulk around like it's going out of style.
And clearly as long as the NBA allows his offensive fouls to slide, he'll
keep it up. It's only a smart play.
sam whiting
Rob Carpenter
>From: nava...@ucs.orst.edu (Roy Navarre)
>Subject: Re: Shaq not a smart player
>Date: 26 Oct 1995 19:15:41 GMT
>In article <46lo1v$m...@quilla.tezcat.com>, <dec...@tezcat.com> wrote:
>>So Shaq can't solve the defensive puzzle posed by
>>a guy like Matt Geiger??
>>Shaq only has himself to blame for his frustration.
>You are an idiot. That simple enough for you?
Man how we have turned since the "franchise" got hurt. No more
humor, no more insightful comments, just straight to the "Rob
Carpenter language". Man, Pinhead. I like you.
Rob Carpenter
>Pinhead
Ryan Lloyd Pitterson
> References:
> <46lo1v$m...@quilla.tezcat.com>
>>In article <46lo1v$m...@quilla.tezcat.com>, dec...@tezcat.com writes:
>>
>>So Shaq can't solve te defensive puzzle posed by
>>a guy like Matt Geiger?? Shaq's game is power and yet
>>he whines when someone comes at him with his game, he
>>has been that way since college, probably before.
>>
>>
>>I hope he beats his head against that wall forever.
Real intelligent statment.
The easiest
>>way to stop teams from fouling him would be for him to develop
>>A) an outside shot, and B) a foul shot.
This is also a statement from someone whio knows bery little about the game,
but I will get to that later.
In the NBA the game is
>>called take what the defense gives you, but Shaq would rather
>>be "Diesel" than a guy with a good 12 foot jumper. He is only
>>limiting himself, evidently he isn't smart enough to realize that.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Go figure, huh?
Why don't you figure out where the nearest clue is and purrchase it. The
fact that Shaq is so strong is the ONLY reason why this happens. Do you
think that any coach in his right mind would have Shaq, easily the most
dominant low post player in the league take 12-15 12 footers a game? Of
course not. And even if Shaq found a sweet outside shot and used regularly,
he would still be hacked every time he entered the paint, whether it was
once or 100 times. ANY REAL NBA FAN SHOULD KNOW THAT. Teams yse this
barbaric tactic becuase the lead does not give Shaq all the whistles he
deserves. This is truly a crime and it leads to violent and flagrant
injuries like O'Neal's
What your advocating is sending a message to players that you have to adjust
your game or be hurt. That is ludicrous. Did Michael Jordan ever just
"take what the defense gave him?" No. Is it justified for teams to level
him when he comes soaring through the lane, and instead of assessing fouls
tell him that he should get a jumper instead. No. We need to learn to start
punishing and lecturing the ASSAILANTS in these vicious plays and not the
victim. Shaq plays and dominates in the paint. he has every right to stay
there.
Isn't there a PGA tournament or something this week? You should watch it,
beacuse basketball is not within your intellectual grasp.
>>>The INSIDER<<<
>>Shaq only has himself to blame for his frustration.
>>
>Bravissimo!!! Shaq put on an extra 30 lbs. over the summer probably in hopes of making
>himself look scarier to his opposition. If that's the case, then he really
>was setting himself up for more hacking. Bulking up sure ain't gonna help him
>magically develop any kind of shot more than 1 foot away from the basket.
>Perhaps he should have concentrated on making himself look at least half as smart
>as those kids on his "Shaq and the Beanstalk"-reading-is-good commercials.
>And now that he's out for a couple of weeks maybe he can visit one of those buildings
>that house a whole bunch of books, and finally find out what those pesky things
>called 'fundamentals' are.
Jonathan Jones
-> Why don't you figure out where the nearest clue is and purrchase it. The
-> fact that Shaq is so strong is the ONLY reason why this happens. Do you
-> think that any coach in his right mind would have Shaq, easily the most
-> dominant low post player in the league take 12-15 12 footers a game? Of
-> course not. And even if Shaq found a sweet outside shot and used regularly,
-> he would still be hacked every time he entered the paint, whether it was
-> once or 100 times. ANY REAL NBA FAN SHOULD KNOW THAT. Teams yse this
-> barbaric tactic becuase the lead does not give Shaq all the whistles he
-> deserves. This is truly a crime and it leads to violent and flagrant
-> injuries like O'Neal's
You're the fucking moron here. If Shaq would make more than 55% of his
free throws, he'd be fouled about as much as Olajuwon or Robinson is.
Everyone acknowledges this. Idiot.
Jon J.
A&M '97
dec...@tezcat.com
>
>
> You're the fucking moron here. If Shaq would make more than 55% of his
> free throws, he'd be fouled about as much as Olajuwon or Robinson is.
> Everyone acknowledges this. Idiot.
>
> Jon J.
> A&M '97
>
Good point.
td
dec...@tezcat.com
>
>
>>>>Where to start with you!!! Jordan makes a point of saying he
takes what the defense gives him, and if you have been watching
the NBA for the past decade you would be well aware of the adjustments
he has made accordingly.
Your rant aside. If Shaq wants people to stop fouling him then it is
up to HIM to make them respect his complete game, not the refs of
Stern or anybody else. His game is considerable but one-dimensional and
obvious. What the hell does he think teams should do? Lie down for him?
Sorry.
I hope he gets caught up in retaliating because that will
only mean he is not working on a foul shot.
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Chris Strabel
play him are going to attack him when he gets close to the basket.
GET A SHOT THAT IS NOT A DUNK AND YOU WON"T HAVE A PROBLEM!!!!!!!
CRISSAKES, HE DID NOT EVEN GO TO PETE NEWELL"S BIG MAN"S CAMP UNTIL PAT
WILLIAMS (ORLANDO GM) MADE HIM GO. YOU FIGURE IT OUT.....MAKING RECORDS
(BAD ONE"S AT THAT) IS NO WAY TO DEVELOP YOUR GAME......
dec...@tezcat.com
>
>
> I don't acknowledge this. Idiot. Of these two posts yours was by
> far the most STOOPID. Do what the original poster said and try
> to find a clue. I know you are an Aggie but even so....
>
> Pinhead
>
> ps Neither Hakeem or DR are as remotely feared in the paint as Shaq.
> Every non-idiot acknowledges that.
>
>
>>>>The fact remains. If Shaq feels he is being fouled too often then he can
either urge the refs to call him on all his offenisve fouls and even things out, or
he can get a jump shot. It is just that simple. Anything he does beyond that
is crying.
Im sorry if the image of a crybaby Shaq leaves you adrift without a hero from
whom you can infer a sense of self worth. Imagine how much better you would
feel about yourself if Shaq had a decent jumper too.
td