Pack Traded to Bullets
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for Don MacLean and Doug Overton. Can someone share their thoughts on this
one, because it appears the Bullets got taken twice.
First Sending a #1 pick to Clevland for Price who is hurt and needs a year off
to really recover. ( plus he is a free agent next year)
SEcond: Don Maclean is a real player who scores, rebounds and passes well.
Plus he has a tought attitude oin the court that every team needs. Granetd
the Lion share opf SF time will go to Juan Howard... who may become an
all-star sooner than Webber.. giving him up is a not exactly brilliant,
especially since Pack has never really been more than a good swing guard, when
Washington needs a pure Point guard.
Anthony Sebro
Uh... Maclean is a "real" player who rebounds and passes well?
I'm not sure which player you were watching, but Maclean is a liability
on defense(whoever he d's up looks like a superstar for a while), and
can't rebound for his 6ft10 frame. His passing is average.
The only problem is that he was the only true SF the Bullets had, and
brought a good offensive spark off the bench (he CAN score). Pack
is a good PG for Price, but I'm worried about the depth....
PG Price Pack, B.Price
SG Cheaner (when healthy) Butler, stiff
SF Howard Butler
PF Rasheed Unknown stiff
C Muresean McIlvaine (sp?)
There is not much depth there, except for PG...
Tony "Keynote" Sebro
Nathaniel Lee
: I read this morning that Robert Pack of the Nuggets was traded to The Bullets
: for Don MacLean and Doug Overton. Can someone share their thoughts on this
: one, because it appears the Bullets got taken twice.
: First Sending a #1 pick to Clevland for Price who is hurt and needs a year off
: to really recover. ( plus he is a free agent next year)
Okay, your right here, the Price trade is looking bad right now.
: SEcond: Don Maclean is a real player who scores, rebounds and passes well.
: Plus he has a tought attitude oin the court that every team needs. Granetd
: the Lion share opf SF time will go to Juan Howard... who may become an
: all-star sooner than Webber.. giving him up is a not exactly brilliant,
: especially since Pack has never really been more than a good swing guard, when
: Washington needs a pure Point guard.
Your information here is somewhat inaccurate. Don MacClean is an
excellent scorer. He shoots well and he can get to the free throw line...
but that is it. He is a horrible defender, a poor rebounder for someone
6'10" tall, and isn't all that tough. Furthermore, he's had a bad attitude
ever since his injury last year. He doesn't want to come off the bench
and when he does he plays poorly. The Bullets will miss his scoring but
trading away his attitude and defensive liabilities for a legitament
starting point guard is a good trade.
Question: Being on the east coast, I haven't seen Robert Pack play all
that much. I remember him having an excellent performance against Seattle
in the playoffs two years ago and while he was starting last year, he put
up some great stats (I think he was second in the league in assists for a
while). From what I understand, he's an excellent defender and
penetrator, but he can't shoot from outside and plays a little
out-of-control. It sounds to me that given the opportunity, he could
evolve into one of the better point guards in the NBA. Any comments?
Denver fans?
- Nate
Russ Smith
(Nathaniel Lee) wrote:
> Question: Being on the east coast, I haven't seen Robert Pack play all
> that much. I remember him having an excellent performance against Seattle
> in the playoffs two years ago and while he was starting last year, he put
> up some great stats (I think he was second in the league in assists for a
> while). From what I understand, he's an excellent defender and
> penetrator, but he can't shoot from outside and plays a little
> out-of-control. It sounds to me that given the opportunity, he could
> evolve into one of the better point guards in the NBA. Any comments?
> Denver fans?
Pack will never be an elite NBA pg, but he's come a long ways from a guy
who split time in college with Duane Cooper. He can't shoot and that's his
achilles heel, he's so quick that he if he had any kind of decent outside
shot he'd be KJ, but with his shot people back off him and dare him to
shoot. He's capable of making incredible plays, but he's always on the
verge of being out of control, because he has to play wide open to offset
the fact that everyone knows what he wants to do. If he could get into the
key and then pull up and make a shot(ala vintage Tim Hardaway) he'd be
much better, but when he gets into the key, he always takes it right to
the hole looking to dunk.
While I like players who take it to the hole hard, sometimes you have to
change it up so you don't become predictable and get lots of charges,
which he seems to get.
He's a very good pickup, with Price not healthy yet, they'll need Pack,
and he will help their defense, something Maclean would not do.
--
Russ Smith
Simon S.C. Cushing
>Pack will never be an elite NBA pg, but he's come a long ways from a guy
>who split time in college with Duane Cooper.
Actually, to nit-pick, they played at the same time. Raveling liked
a munchkin 3-guard (the other being a little-know Cavs player) lineup.
Only after Pack left did Cooper take over full-time at the point (and
very creditably too. Does anyone know where he ended up? At least he
can say he started for the Suns for one game!).
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TQ
russ_...@genmagic.com (Russ Smith) writes:
>Pack will never be an elite NBA pg, but he's come a long ways from a guy
>who split time in college with Duane Cooper. He can't shoot and that's his
>achilles heel, he's so quick that he if he had any kind of decent outside
>shot he'd be KJ, but with his shot people back off him and dare him to
>shoot. He's capable of making incredible plays, but he's always on the
>verge of being out of control, because he has to play wide open to offset
>the fact that everyone knows what he wants to do. If he could get into the
>key and then pull up and make a shot(ala vintage Tim Hardaway) he'd be
>much better, but when he gets into the key, he always takes it right
to
>the hole looking to dunk.
>
>While I like players who take it to the hole hard, sometimes you have
to
>change it up so you don't become predictable and get lots of charges,
>which he seems to get.
>
>
>He's a very good pickup, with Price not healthy yet, they'll need
Pack,
>and he will help their defense, something Maclean would not do.
Just an aside on Pack's outside shooting. It was reported that he
worked very hard and improved greatly in this area last year. He shot
30-72 (.417) from three-point range last year, compared to a combined
7-47 (.149) in his first three seasons. I like Pack a lot. He's fun to
watch, and I think he wants to get better. All of the physical tools
are there. A little more pure-PG mentality, and I think he could come
close to all-star status.
--
TQ (TQu...@ix.netcom.com)
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Jazzy J
: russ_...@genmagic.com (Russ Smith) writes:
: >Pack will never be an elite NBA pg, but he's come a long ways from a guy
: >who split time in college with Duane Cooper.
: Actually, to nit-pick, they played at the same time. Raveling liked
: a munchkin 3-guard (the other being a little-know Cavs player) lineup.
: Only after Pack left did Cooper take over full-time at the point (and
: very creditably too.
That's very astute Simon, for U to recall that. In fact, the top 5
in games started that year (90-91) were:
Miner: 29 games (out of 29)
Coleman: 28
Pack: 29
Cooper: 26
Sanders: 15
Both Pack and Cooper averaged ~30 mpg so it's a safe assumption to
say that they played in the game at the same time quite often.
Jazzy J
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> Let me get this straight. The bullets traded MacLean and Overton to the
> Nuggets for Pack, and someone thinks the *Bullets* got took? If this is
> true, then this is an EXCELLENT trade for the Bullets. Obviously, they
> are in desparate need of backcourt help, and the trade for Price will also
> turn out very well for them if he can play only half the regular season,
> and then the playoffs, the latter of which they are very very likely to
> make if they have picked up Robert Pack. Pack is a fine point guard,
> very quick, one of the better drive and dish points in the league.
> He is not much of a shooter, but his energy, ballhandling, and capacity
> for assists make him an asset on offense. What the Bullets needed
> more from their backcourt than assists, however, is perimeter defense (they
> have plenty of guys who can make their own shot on offense -- Howard,
> Webber (when he comes back), Cheaney, even Price). They were toasted by
> opponents' outside shooting last year, and a quick, aggressive guard
> like Pack will do a lot to disrupt flow and close off passing lanes.
> Overton was utterly useless. Perhaps he can distribute Gatorade on the
> sidelines. There's no reason to think that he will ever be productive
> on a decent NBA team. MacLean, while probably destined to be a quality
> offensive producer, is unproven, and pretty redundant on a team loaded up
> front the way the Bullets are. No reason they can't start Webber, Howard, and
> Muresan/Wallace up front, with Webber matched against the 3. Or, they could
> put Cheaney at 3, which is his natural position, but then they'd need another
> guard. Mercifully, they won't be tempted by Chapman, who's more valuable
> on any other team than yours. I hope that they get another decent guard
> and get a good three man rotation to go along with their blue chippers.
> I'm a Bulls fan, but I would like to see a team with so much talent put
> it together to make the playoffs at least. Maybe there'll be a Bullets/
> Mavericks finals in a couple of years . . . .whoda thunkit.
> Pack is going to be a star this year.
>
Packy a star? Don't bet on it. Pack is a shooting guard practically.
He's really not a, playmaker. He can penetrate that's for sure, but he
only does that to set up his own shot. No denying his quickness, and
his ability to get out on the break, however he's really not a dish off
artist. He had 290 assists in 1144 minutes which is decent but not
spectacular. Pack has been best in small stretches--that's why he's a
perfect guy off the bench.
Doug Overton wasn't a bad back up you know. Furthermore, his 42.4 3pt
Fg% on 125 threes was actually better than Price's (40.7%).
MacLean was fine as a scorer off the bench too.
Overall you have to realize that they made the Pack deal out of
necessity not out of strength. Because of Price likely to undergo
surgery, they would have been a lottery team without a point guard.
Furthermore, I disagree with you that Washington is "a team with so
much talent". Their most talneted player is Webber--who is very talented
but also injury prone and with a questionable attitude. But after
Webber, the talent level drops off considerably. Price is a great but
declining shooter and an adequate ball handler. No much in the way of
defence. Chaeney is at best an average starting shooting guard. In the
Central division for instance, the only starting shooting guard against
whom he is better is the Toronto's Alvin Robertson. He's equal with Todd
Day, and the rest--Jordan, Dumars, Majerly, Steve Smith, Kendall Gill,
Reggie Miller, are all by far better than him. Juwan Howard is good but
not great (15 blocks in 2348 minutes???). The jury is still out on
Wallace and Muresan.
That's my opinion. The Bullets will struggle to make the playoffs
this year and will end up as the 8th or 7th seed.--Milosz
Nathaniel Lee
: on any other team than yours. I hope that they get another decent guard
: and get a good three man rotation to go along with their blue chippers.
I agree, the Bullets need one more guard (preferably a 2 who can also run
point for a limited period of time) to complete a solid 3 guard rotation.
Bullets GM John Nash has cleared away a lot of salary cap space next year
to prepare for the upcoming free agent sweepstakes. After signing Howard,
he should have around $5 million dollars to go after a free agent. I'll
bet he takes a shot at getting Latrell Sprewell. If not, I hope he still
goes after a quality guard, maybe someone like Jeff Hornacek.
- Nate