over-and-back rule??
tick
area is what exactly constitutes over, i.e., If one foot crosses
over and plants and then you bring it back is that a penalty (or just
the hokey-pokey)?, Or do you have to establish possession with the
ball across the line?, or perhaps you have to be completely across?
I've always thought that you couldn't cross at all (even with part of a
foot) and come back, but I've recently been told different by a ref (ok,
he was drunk at the time, but a ref nonetheless).
Anyway, I've played high school and intramural hoops for about 10
years now and I'm a little embarassed to ask my friends such a
basic question, so a definitive ruling would be appreciated.
Thanks,
-tick
Brian T. Bimberg
: Ok, so how exactly does the over and back rule work? The hazy
: over and plants and then you bring it back is that a penalty (or just
: the hokey-pokey)?, Or do you have to establish possession with the
: ball across the line?, or perhaps you have to be completely across?
The rule is when the ball crosses the line. Which ever side the ball is
on is which side your considered to be on.
Brian
Jeffrey Burgoyne
it was that it should be looked at as a continuation
thing. Basically, as long as the player/ball is moving
forward, its fine regardless of the (or lack of) footwork.
Jeff
Rob Carpenter
>From: ti...@tamu.edu (tick)
>Subject: over-and-back rule??
>Date: 21 Mar 1996 23:47:48 GMT
>Ok, so how exactly does the over and back rule work? The hazy
>area is what exactly constitutes over, i.e., If one foot crosses
>over and plants and then you bring it back is that a penalty (or just
>the hokey-pokey)?, Or do you have to establish possession with the
>ball across the line?, or perhaps you have to be completely across?
>I've always thought that you couldn't cross at all (even with part of a
>foot) and come back, but I've recently been told different by a ref (ok,
>he was drunk at the time, but a ref nonetheless).
>Anyway, I've played high school and intramural hoops for about 10
>years now and I'm a little embarassed to ask my friends such a
>basic question, so a definitive ruling would be appreciated.
Three things must cross half court and touch the floor. 2 feet and
the basketball. If any of these three do not cross half court AND
touch the floor, you can bring all three back into the backcourt
without it being a violation.
Rob Carpenter
>Thanks,
>-tick
Rob Carpenter
>From: btbi...@mtu.edu (Brian T. Bimberg)
>Subject: Re: over-and-back rule??
>Date: 21 Mar 1996 23:33:48 -0500
>tick (ti...@tamu.edu) wrote:
>: Ok, so how exactly does the over and back rule work? The hazy
>: area is what exactly constitutes over, i.e., If one foot crosses
>: over and plants and then you bring it back is that a penalty (or just
>: the hokey-pokey)?, Or do you have to establish possession with the
>: ball across the line?, or perhaps you have to be completely across?
>The rule is when the ball crosses the line. Which ever side the ball is
>on is which side your considered to be on.
BZZZT. Wrong answer. Ball AND feet. I can dribble the ball back and
forth over the half court line all I want as long as I have at least 1 foot
still in the backcourt.
Rob Carpenter
>Brian
Jonathan Richards
> BZZZT. Wrong answer. Ball AND feet. I can dribble the ball back and
> forth over the half court line all I want as long as I have at least 1 foot
> still in the backcourt.
Here's the official rule:
Rule 4 VI c - A ball which is in contact with a player or with the court is
in the backcourt if either the ball or the player is touching the backcourt.
It is in the frontcourt if neither the ball nor the player is touching the
backcourt.
My interpretation is that if your pivot foot is in the backcourt, you can
move your other foot and the ball over and back as much as you want, but if
you dribble in the frontcourt, then the ball comes in contact with the court,
which puts in in the frontcourt.
--
Jonathan Richards
littl...@nwu.edu
http://www.ils.nwu.edu/~richards
"OK Dad, for THIS amazing trick I'll need an ordinary American Express
Card. Now close your eyes..."
brian odom
>Ok, so how exactly does the over and back rule work? The hazy
>area is what exactly constitutes over, i.e., If one foot crosses
>over and plants and then you bring it back is that a penalty (or just
>the hokey-pokey)?, Or do you have to establish possession with the
>ball across the line?, or perhaps you have to be completely across?
>I've always thought that you couldn't cross at all (even with part of a
>foot) and come back, but I've recently been told different by a ref (ok,
>he was drunk at the time, but a ref nonetheless).
you can cross your feet and not get called.
you have to be moving consistently across the line. if you change direction
or if the ball is loose (and a defender did notknock it free), then it is
a backcourt violation. once you come to a stop on the line, you have to
cross it.
the only instance where you can actually cross your feet and get away with
it is on a "skip dribble". suppose i am dribbling with my right hand
approaching the half court line, my back to the defender.
as i am dribbling sideways, my left foot just so happens to step over
the line and right foot lands behind the line. this is *legal* as long
as i am going in one consistent direction. if i change hands on my dribble
and pivot my foot, then i will commit the over and back.
at least, i think this is the rule. i could be way wrong.
>Anyway, I've played high school and intramural hoops for about 10
>years now and I'm a little embarassed to ask my friends such a
>basic question, so a definitive ruling would be appreciated.
--
brian odom
Jack Perry
(Jonathan Richards) writes:
|> Rob Carpenter (carp...@courtjester.llnl.gov) wrote:
|> > BZZZT. Wrong answer. Ball AND feet. I can dribble the ball back
|> and
|> > forth over the half court line all I want as long as I have at least 1
|> foot
|> > still in the backcourt.
|>
|> Here's the official rule:
|>
|> Rule 4 VI c - A ball which is in contact with a player or with the court
|> is
|> in the backcourt if either the ball or the player is touching the
|> backcourt.
|> It is in the frontcourt if neither the ball nor the player is touching
|> the
|> backcourt.
|>
|> My interpretation is that if your pivot foot is in the backcourt, you
|> can
|> move your other foot and the ball over and back as much as you want, but
|> if
|> you dribble in the frontcourt, then the ball comes in contact with the
|> court,
|> which puts in in the frontcourt.
Read it again.
If your foot is in the backcourt and the ball touches the
frontcourt, you're not in the frontcourt. Both you and the
ball must leave the backcourt.
James Repka
>Ok, so how exactly does the over and back rule work?
>I've always thought that you couldn't cross at all (even with part of a
>foot) and come back...
1) Once you've established position in the front court, you cannot put
either foot in the back court, nor can the ball go into the backcourt while
you maintain (or retain) possession. That rule has never changed.
2) What _has_ changed, is how you establish position in the front court.
Formerly, all that was required was one foot crossing the line. Now, it's
your pivot foot: your free foot can cross into the front court and be
brought back, but if your pivot foot is set in the back court you are not
considered to have crossed. If your pivot foot is in the front court, you
cannot step into the back court with your free foot.
The ball is the same as the pivot foot: once it has crossed the line in the
possession of an offensive player, it cannot go back in the possession of
the same team.
This becomes an interesting question when dealing with NBA games, of
course, since they often allow the use of two or more pivot feet...
--
--jim repka (jl...@earthsci.ucsc.edu)
Jonathan Richards
The problem is that the rule is not particularly clear about whether the
parts about the player touching the backcourt apply when the ball is in
contact with the court, or just when the ball is in contact with the player.
It could parse either way.
--
Jonathan Richards
littl...@nwu.edu
http://www.ils.nwu.edu/~richards
"That's so deep, I'm getting the bends.... If you want me, I'll
be in the decompression chamber."
Jim Rankin
carp...@courtjester.llnl.gov (Rob Carpenter) wrote:
: Three things must cross half court and touch the floor. 2 feet and
: the basketball. If any of these three do not cross half court AND
: touch the floor, you can bring all three back into the backcourt
: without it being a violation.
So, if the ball is passed through the air from the backcourt to a player
standing under the basket, who immediately passes the ball back to the
same man in the backcourt through the air without dribbling, there is no
violation?
Interesting.
-jimbo
: Rob Carpenter
Rob Carpenter
>From: bo...@cs.indiana.edu (brian odom)
>Subject: Re: over-and-back rule??
>Date: 22 Mar 1996 12:45:19 -0500
>ti...@tamu.edu (tick) writes:
>>Ok, so how exactly does the over and back rule work? The hazy
>>area is what exactly constitutes over, i.e., If one foot crosses
>>over and plants and then you bring it back is that a penalty (or just
>>the hokey-pokey)?, Or do you have to establish possession with the
>>ball across the line?, or perhaps you have to be completely across?
>>I've always thought that you couldn't cross at all (even with part of a
>>foot) and come back, but I've recently been told different by a ref (ok,
>>he was drunk at the time, but a ref nonetheless).
>you can cross your feet and not get called.
>you have to be moving consistently across the line. if you change direction
>or if the ball is loose (and a defender did notknock it free), then it is
>a backcourt violation. once you come to a stop on the line, you have to
>cross it.
>the only instance where you can actually cross your feet and get away with
>it is on a "skip dribble". suppose i am dribbling with my right hand
>approaching the half court line, my back to the defender.
>as i am dribbling sideways, my left foot just so happens to step over
>the line and right foot lands behind the line. this is *legal* as long
>as i am going in one consistent direction. if i change hands on my dribble
>and pivot my foot, then i will commit the over and back.
>at least, i think this is the rule. i could be way wrong.
YOU ARE!!!
Rob Carpenter