Vernon Maxwell punches fan
Leonard Leong
know what you guys think of Vernon Maxwell's assult on the two loud mouthed
fans. Do they deserve it? What really happened because I only read the
newspaper report.
leo...@pop.jaring.my
Leonard Leong, Petaling Jaya, Malaysia
Robert E. Klimkiewicz, Jr.
: Hi there! For those of you who watched the Houston-Portland game, I want to
: fans. Do they deserve it? What really happened because I only read the
: newspaper report.
First I figured he was just being a jerk and not taking the abuse he
received.. perhaps about poor play or whatever. Later I heard that the
fan was heckling/taunting him about his wife's recent stillborn child.
If this is the case, then Maxwell showed INCREDIBLE restraint.
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Billy Whistler
: Leonard Leong (leo...@pop.jaring.my) wrote:
: : Hi there! For those of you who watched the Houston-Portland game, I want to
: : know what you guys think of Vernon Maxwell's assult on the two loud mouthed
: : fans. Do they deserve it? What really happened because I only read the
: : newspaper report.
: First I figured he was just being a jerk and not taking the abuse he
: received.. perhaps about poor play or whatever. Later I heard that the
: fan was heckling/taunting him about his wife's recent stillborn child.
: If this is the case, then Maxwell showed INCREDIBLE restraint.
Fuck that! There is no excuse for a player to charge 12 rows into the
stands and punch a fan. If a fan is being overly abusive, the correct
thing for the player to do is to tell the ref. The ref can, and will,
eject abusive fans.
I doubt that the guy said what you heard he said, but it doesn't amtter
anyway. Maxwell has a reputation for being an asshole so I'll give
the fan the benefit of the doubt.
BW
Mark K Isenberg
They probably deserved the assault, but Vernon was just lowering himself to
their level. It is incredibly stupid to verbally assault the players. The NBA
should do somithing about the fans. The players should realize that the loud
mouthed fans want the players to react. If they'd concentrate on basketball,
they wouldn't hear the fans.
Mark Kevin Isenberg
#1 UK fan in Tennessee
Go Mavs!!
Koontz Christopher Noel
> I doubt that the guy said what you heard he said, but it doesn't amtter
> anyway. Maxwell has a reputation for being an asshole so I'll give
> the fan the benefit of the doubt.
So much for that Bill of Rights crap, huh?
christopher
Joseph Albert
Huh? the bill of rights says you have the right to punch someone in the face
if they heckle you?
I simply can't believe the number of people on this forum who seem to think
that what the fan might have said has anything to do with how serious
of a crime Maxwell is guilty of. It has *nothing* to do with it. the
fan could have said things 10 times more tasteless and verbally abusive than
whatever he actually said, and Maxwell is still guilty of the same assault.
You can bet that Maxwell's reputation had something to do with the
fan having chosen Maxwell to pick on. but it doesn't matter. Maxwell
could have asked the ref to do something about the fan, and i'm sure
that the ref and management of the playing facility would have taken
appropriate action with the fan in accord with the severity of what
was said.
If this were the first such altercation involving Maxwell, i'd say a
10-day suspension is adequate. but, it isn't, so it is clear that the
hand slapping isn't stopping the behavior, and it's time for the NBA
to get tough on him. The behavior he displayed cannot be tolerated
by the NBA, and he should be dealt with accordingly with a stiff
penalty, and a warning that if he ever has an altercation with a fan
again he gets suspended for 3 years or some such.
J. Albert
alb...@cs.wisc.edu
ACE OF BASE MUST DIE
Billy Whistler <whis...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Fuck that! There is no excuse for a player to charge 12 rows into the
>stands and punch a fan. If a fan is being overly abusive, the correct
>thing for the player to do is to tell the ref. The ref can, and will,
>eject abusive fans.
You're right. Tell me whenever your loved ones die so I can
heckle and taunt you in your face about it.
>
>I doubt that the guy said what you heard he said, but it doesn't amtter
>anyway. Maxwell has a reputation for being an asshole so I'll give
>the fan the benefit of the doubt.
>
>BW
>
Since Maxwell has a "reputation" he is condemned for life.
ACE OF BASE MUST DIE
Joseph Albert <alb...@coral.cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
>In article <3hds48$2...@hermes.unt.edu>,
>Koontz Christopher Noel <iy...@jove.acs.unt.edu> wrote:
>>Billy Whistler (whis...@netcom.com) wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt that the guy said what you heard he said, but it doesn't amtter
>>> anyway. Maxwell has a reputation for being an asshole so I'll give
>>> the fan the benefit of the doubt.
>>
>>So much for that Bill of Rights crap, huh?
>
>Huh? the bill of rights says you have the right to punch someone in the face
>if they heckle you?
No, you misunderstood the statement. He was referring to the quote
that
>>> Maxwell has a reputation for being an asshole so I'll give
>>> the fan the benefit of the doubt.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Innocent until proven guilty. You don't give someone the benefit
of the doubt just because the other has a "reputation."
The Bill of Rights does not give you the right to punch someone
in the face if they heckle you, but it doesn't give you the right
to make racial remarks and obscene comments either. If this fan did
heckle Maxwell about these topics, then he got his consequences.
And I don't think it was enough.
>
>I simply can't believe the number of people on this forum who seem to think
>that what the fan might have said has anything to do with how serious
>of a crime Maxwell is guilty of. It has *nothing* to do with it. the
>fan could have said things 10 times more tasteless and verbally abusive than
>whatever he actually said, and Maxwell is still guilty of the same assault.
>You can bet that Maxwell's reputation had something to do with the
>fan having chosen Maxwell to pick on. but it doesn't matter. Maxwell
>could have asked the ref to do something about the fan, and i'm sure
>that the ref and management of the playing facility would have taken
>appropriate action with the fan in accord with the severity of what
>was said.
Max should be suspended, but ten games is too much if the fan did taunt
him about his child and make racial remarks. He's playing in a
basketball game, a game played on intuition, instincts, high emotion.
I would say this is a natural reaction when someone heckles you
about your race and deceased daughter.
>
>If this were the first such altercation involving Maxwell, i'd say a
>10-day suspension is adequate. but, it isn't, so it is clear that the
>hand slapping isn't stopping the behavior, and it's time for the NBA
>to get tough on him. The behavior he displayed cannot be tolerated
>by the NBA,
If the fan did heckle about Maxwell's baby and make racial remarks
as Maxwell says, then the fan's (his name is Steve George) behavior
should not be tolerated by the NBA or this world.
Normie Rozental
I don't know if you guys and few gals know much about ENGLISH soccer. Well,
a player by the name of ALEX CANTONA who plays for MANCHESTER UNITED was
suspended for the remaining of the season for kicking a fan. He did not
however run 12 rows to get the opposing fan, but the kick if it had
connected would have left the fan wondering what team he should have
rooted for in the first place. He then tries a right hand hook to the fans
face which missed by a mile.
I know that the NBA has many more regular season games than ENGLISH soccer
league (approx 30 games in their season), but Maxwell being fined for
even $100,000 is not tough enough. This is play-doe to him. I would
have him suspended for the remaining of the season, or an even more cruel
suspension, make him play the regular season, but not the playoffs. Now
that would be cruel.
Look at JORDAN, who when visiting the '76s, some old dude would
stand behind the Bulls bench and read out annoying shit from "JORDAN RULES",
and god knows what else he blurted out. Jordan either complained to the
REFS and management did it's think, or Jordan asked PHIL if he could stay on
the court only because the old dude was behind the bench.
I say, Maxwell, who cannot shoot, and who is a shooting guard, I hope you are
suspended for the rest of the season or fined over $200,000. 15 games of
suspension is not long enough.
Later.!!!!
Norm Rozental
13....GILLotine.
John Fuex
: Hi there! For those of you who watched the Houston-Portland game, I want to
10 rows (I never get good seats) and punched his lights out too.
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Jorge Miguel Ferreira Alves
|> I doubt that the guy said what you heard he said, but it doesn't amtter
|> anyway. Maxwell has a reputation for being an asshole so I'll give
|> the fan the benefit of the doubt.
|>
|> BW
|>
That's really america!
U can say whatever u want
Kevin D. Hofman
assault a fan. If the fan was really taunting VM about his recent personal
tragedy, why weren't the other fans telling him to be quiet? I can't
believe that some Portland or Rocket fan didn't take care of the situation.
Then again, maybe the taunting wasn't over VM's personal loss.
Players don't have to assault fans. Tuesday evening a court side fan was
particularly vocal at the Wolves-Golden State game. Before retiring to the
locker room at the half, Laettner walked over to the fan and very quietly
said a few words. The fan turned red, then white. He said little in the
second half.
Maxwell could have handled the situation much better. The fan and fans
could have too. Maxwell will now pay the price - 10 games at a cost of
$200,000. He also faces possible criminal charges and a possible civil
lawsuit.
There seems to be little consensus concerning who was right or wrong. Both
the fan and Maxwell were wrong. It looks, however like the fan may win.
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Billy Whistler
: In article <whistlerD...@netcom.com>,
: Billy Whistler <whis...@netcom.com> wrote:
: >
: >Fuck that! There is no excuse for a player to charge 12 rows into the
: >stands and punch a fan. If a fan is being overly abusive, the correct
: >thing for the player to do is to tell the ref. The ref can, and will,
: >eject abusive fans.
: You're right. Tell me whenever your loved ones die so I can
: heckle and taunt you in your face about it.
You don't get it. It doesn't matter what the guy said, Maxwell crossed
way over the line. Max is an employee of the league and the fan was a
paying customer. Employees don't hit customers no matter what they say.
If they do, they get fired. Maxwell is getting off easy.
: >
: >I doubt that the guy said what you heard he said, but it doesn't amtter
: >anyway. Maxwell has a reputation for being an asshole so I'll give
: >the fan the benefit of the doubt.
: >
: Since Maxwell has a "reputation" he is condemned for life.
I don't understand why you defend a jerk-off like Maxwell. This kind
of shit has happened before with him. Trouble just seems to follow
this guy. Maxwell does not need your sympathy, he is not the victim.
BW
Randy Cornwell
>From: nda...@bcm.tmc.edu (Nancy David)
>Subject: Re: Vernon Maxwell punches fan
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:59:31 -0500
>In article <D41yx...@ncube.com>, thu...@ncube.com (Tom Hummel) wrote:
>> >First I figured he was just being a jerk and not taking the abuse he
>> >received.. perhaps about poor play or whatever. Later I heard that the
>> >fan was heckling/taunting him about his wife's recent stillborn child.
>> >If this is the case, then Maxwell showed INCREDIBLE restraint.
>> >
>>
>> According to the Fans sitting next to this guy, nothing more than taunts
>> about his game were shouted. IMO Maxwells a head case and is making this stuff
>> up to justify his actions.
>>
>> -Tom
>Can anyone actually beleive the fans would take the side of an opposing
>team player.
Can anyone actually believe the Rockets (Max's teammates haven't backed
up his statements (or should I say his laywers statements).
>Good chance this is highly unlikely!
I agree on Maxwell's statement.
>--
>Nancy David
>Baylor College of Medicine
>Houston, TX
>Internet: nda...@bcm.tmc.edu
>Opinions are only mine.
-- Randy D. Cornwell
ran...@rancor.tv.tek.com
"Ticking away the moments that make up the dull day."
Kevin D. Hofman
>> >First I figured he was just being a jerk and not taking the abuse he
>> >received.. perhaps about poor play or whatever. Later I heard that the
>> >fan was heckling/taunting him about his wife's recent stillborn child.
>> >If this is the case, then Maxwell showed INCREDIBLE restraint.
>> >
>>
>> about his game were shouted. IMO Maxwells a head case and is making this
>stuff
>> up to justify his actions.
>>
>> -Tom
>
>
>Can anyone actually beleive the fans would take the side of an opposing
team
>player.
>
>Good chance this is highly unlikely!
>
What I can't believe is that not one fan in twelve rows has agreed with
Maxwell's rendition of the facts. As time passes, you would think that at
least one of the people who should have heard the alleged "fighting words"
would have stepped up. Even Maxwell's team mates have failed to come
forward to support him. If the fan was really saying what Maxwell
contends, this would be a cover up of Oliver Stone proportions.
Originally I felt sorry for Max. Now I simply don't believ him.
Rob Sapp
wrote:
> In article <ndavid-17...@128.249.6.179>, nda...@bcm.tmc.edu (Nancy David)
> writes:
>
> > >
> > > You're right. Tell me whenever your loved ones die so I can
> > > heckle and taunt you in your face about it.
> > >
> > This is great --- This guy gets the award for best response in defense. I
> > want to tag along and watch to see what this guy does when he gets taunted.
> >
> >
> > > I don't understand why you defend a jerk-off like Maxwell. This kind> of shit has happened before with him. Trouble just seems to follow
> > > this guy. Maxwell does not need your sympathy, he is not the victim.
> >
> >
> > Well, one way to defend him is that some folks just don't take **it off of
> > folks. Way to go Max!
>
>
> So Nancy, do you by any chance carry brass knuckles in
> your skirt pocket??
Violence is never justified by verbal comments. I can't see climbing over
10 rows of people to punch someone. The comments were classless and in the
poorest taste, but the action was criminal. Lock 'em up.
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Rob Sapp
Manager for Educational Computing
The Johns Hopkins School of Medicine
j...@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu