Shaq-fu, the best player in the NBA
Roy Navarre
Once again, Shaq has been the Magic's most consistent player.
Not only is he scoring the most points as usual, he is
also making all the other Magic players better. The
rest of the team mops up on all the doulbe and triple
teams on SHaq. Plus, Shaq pulls down the rebounds and
clogs up the middle. On CNN's In the NBA they asked
is there a chink in the BUll's armour and the answer was
'yea, a 7 foot, 325 pound chink.'
Who is the best judge of talent in the NBA? Probably
Jerry West. Jerry West has said he is going to try to
move heaven and earth to sign Shaq.
There can be no more argument. Shaq is now the best player
in the NBA. He's still too young for many of the old timers
to give him his full due, but that doesnt matter. He continues
to prove it on the court. Game in, Game out.
The guard has changed.
Pinhead
cze...@aol.com
nava...@ucs.orst.edu (Roy Navarre) wrote:
>The guard has changed.
>Pinhead
Scoring the most points? Against Detroit and Atlanta!!!! So what?
Better take a closer look at the facts behind your stats. If Shaq was
anything more than a big, albeit fast, body he would make a great
baskeball player. However, he has no skills what so ever. I'm
waiting for him to develop a jump shot. Christ! I would be happy if
he could hit some free throws. Imagine if he hit 75 or 80% from the
charity stripe. He probably would have taken the scoring title from
the best player in the game, Jordan. Till he loses his one
dimensional game, he can wonder what its like to have a few rings on
his hand. Dunk, dunk, dunk. Imagine a center shooting like Ewing
with the size of Shaq. Totally impossible to defend.
John Roh
In article <4n6ies$k...@news.orst.edu> nava...@ucs.orst.edu (Roy Navarre) writes:
>
>Once again, Shaq has been the Magic's most consistent player.
>Not only is he scoring the most points as usual, he is
>also making all the other Magic players better. The
>rest of the team mops up on all the doulbe and triple
>teams on SHaq. Plus, Shaq pulls down the rebounds and
>clogs up the middle. On CNN's In the NBA they asked
>is there a chink in the BUll's armour and the answer was
>'yea, a 7 foot, 325 pound chink.'
>
>Who is the best judge of talent in the NBA? Probably
>Jerry West. Jerry West has said he is going to try to
>move heaven and earth to sign Shaq.
>
>There can be no more argument. Shaq is now the best player
>in the NBA. He's still too young for many of the old timers
>to give him his full due, but that doesnt matter. He continues
>to prove it on the court. Game in, Game out.
>
>The guard has changed.
>
>Pinhead
HAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHA......that was a good one! Shaq, the best player
in the NBA. Puahahahaha!
John
Martin Shobe
cze...@aol.com wrote:
AOL. Says it all.
>nava...@ucs.orst.edu (Roy Navarre) wrote:
[stuff deleted]
>Scoring the most points? Against Detroit and Atlanta!!!! So what?
>Better take a closer look at the facts behind your stats. If Shaq was
>anything more than a big, albeit fast, body he would make a great
>baskeball player. However, he has no skills what so ever. I'm
>waiting for him to develop a jump shot. Christ! I would be happy if
>he could hit some free throws. Imagine if he hit 75 or 80% from the
>charity stripe. He probably would have taken the scoring title from
>the best player in the game, Jordan.
Shaq would have had to shot 90% from the line to take the scoring title from
Jordan.
> Till he loses his one
>dimensional game, he can wonder what its like to have a few rings on
>his hand.
One dimensional. Rebounds, Defends, One of the best scorers. Yep he has one
dimension. He plays great ball.
> Dunk, dunk, dunk. Imagine a center shooting like Ewing
>with the size of Shaq. Totally impossible to defend.
Like he isn't now. And what would a jump shot do for Shaq? Not much until some
team finds a way to keep him from scoring close to the basket.
Martin Shobe
kh...@unix.ksu.ksu.edu
Jazzy J
nava...@ucs.orst.edu (Roy Navarre) writes:
>is there a chink in the BUll's armour and the answer was
>'yea, a 7 foot, 325 pound chink.'
Really? I thought that guy on the Chinese Olympic Team was 7'7",
not just 7'.
Careful how U word things, Roy. Some people may get offended.
Jazzy J (who wishes he were 7', 325 pounds)
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Martin Shobe wrote:
> ...what would a jump shot do for Shaq? Not much until some
> team finds a way to keep him from scoring close to the basket.
Tho I agree with the general premise of your post, I think you are
missing the obvious here: it would cut down on his offensive fouls
a lot. Right now, O'Neal backs straight to the basket virtually
every time he gets the ball. This makes it easy for smaller defenders
to guess where he's going, jump back, and pick up the charge. Planting
to pick the charge, however, is like planting yourself in concrete.
If O'Neal would go to a turnaround when he saw that coming, he would
see a frozen defender and a wide-open 6-8' jumper. Sink a few of those,
and the defender is going to be a little less cavalier about planting
himself on defense.
-Wm.
Murali Reddy
In article <4n6ies$k...@news.orst.edu>,
Roy Navarre <nava...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote:
>
>The guard has changed.
You had to wait until May 1996 to come to this conclusion !?
You are slipping, Roy.
I hate the Magic and I like the Bulls, but even I wouldn't
have disagreed strongly last year if you said Shaq was the best player.
He is not clearly the best, but arguably.
Hakeem (and his sub-50% shooting for a center) is a bit overrated, I think.
Houston won all their playoff series because their 3-pt shooters clicked
often enough.
Simon S.C. Cushing
nava...@ucs.orst.edu (Roy Navarre) writes:
>Once again, Shaq has been the Magic's most consistent player.
>Not only is he scoring the most points as usual, he is
>also making all the other Magic players better. The
>rest of the team mops up on all the doulbe and triple
>teams on SHaq. Plus, Shaq pulls down the rebounds and
>clogs up the middle. On CNN's In the NBA they asked
>is there a chink in the BUll's armour and the answer was
>'yea, a 7 foot, 325 pound chink.'
Is there a chink in Shaq's armour? Yeah, a 15' chink. What has
his ft% been so far in these playoffs? Looks like it really hurt
Orlando tonight. (And good to see him continue his "dominance" of
Chrissy boy. Bouncing back from a game in which Laettner outscored
him, he scored a huge 19 against Laettner's pathetic 17.)
>Who is the best judge of talent in the NBA? Probably
>Jerry West. Jerry West has said he is going to try to
>move heaven and earth to sign Shaq.
Good ol' Jerry. The same Jerry who gets hailed as a genius for
"stealing" Van Exel in the same draft where his first rounder was
...George Lynch. The same Jerry who gets hailed as a genius for
"stealing" Cedric Ceballos because he was the only one who would
give the Suns just a pick (they needed to clear a slot to sign
Manning) for a 19ppg scorer. Everyone is so convinced that West
is a genius that people salivated over Frankie King when he traded
for a pick to draft him. King isn't even CBA material. Oh, and by
the way, Jerry says the best player he has ever seen is a certain
Michael Jordan.
>There can be no more argument. Shaq is now the best player
>in the NBA. He's still too young for many of the old timers
>to give him his full due, but that doesnt matter. He continues
>to prove it on the court. Game in, Game out.
>The guard has changed.
And the guard is the best player on the Magic.
Orlando will never win a championship with O'Neal. If they had
Sabonis, on the other hand...
Martin Shobe
William Keleher <kel...@cs.tulane.edu> wrote:
>Martin Shobe wrote:
>> ...what would a jump shot do for Shaq? Not much until some
>> team finds a way to keep him from scoring close to the basket.
> Tho I agree with the general premise of your post, I think you are
> missing the obvious here: it would cut down on his offensive fouls
> a lot.
He only commits about 3.5 fouls per game. I don't think he has a problem with
offensive fouls.
> Right now, O'Neal backs straight to the basket virtually
> every time he gets the ball.
His "go to" move is more of a lean on defender, kinda roll around defender using
the defender as a pivot, jump hook. The player on the Magic who does the lower
the shoulder into the defender to make space move is Hardaway.
> This makes it easy for smaller defenders
> to guess where he's going, jump back, and pick up the charge. Planting
> to pick the charge, however, is like planting yourself in concrete.
> If O'Neal would go to a turnaround when he saw that coming, he would
> see a frozen defender and a wide-open 6-8' jumper. Sink a few of those,
> and the defender is going to be a little less cavalier about planting
> himself on defense.
True, but the jump hook does the same job.
Martin Shobe
kh...@unix.ksu.ksu.edu
Toni Morgan
Martin Shobe writes:
>He only commits about 3.5 fouls per game.
BWAHAHAHAHA! Perhaps you meant to say "He only has about 3.5 fouls
per game called on him."
>I don't think he has a problem with offensive fouls.
Well, of course not. He's allowed to commit them with impunity.
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Roy Navarre
In article <4nadl3$7...@spanky.pls.ov.com>, Toni Morgan <to...@min.ov.com> wrote:
<about SHaq>
>BWAHAHAHAHA! Perhaps you meant to say "He only has about 3.5 fouls
>per game called on him."
>>I don't think he has a problem with offensive fouls.
>Well, of course not. He's allowed to commit them with impunity.
Hehe. As always you crack me up Toni. When I see Shaq exposing
(*) as the overhyped piece of trash he is I can imagine you
sitting in front of your tv set, quivering with rage and shedding
tears of compassion for Chrissy. BTW, I hope you are comparing
everything not just points---dont forget assists, double/triple
teams freeing up other team members, rebounds, disruptions,
shot alterations, wearing downs and in your face you
pathetic little pretty boy dunks.
Pinhead
(*) refers to the second coming of Danny Ferry
ps um, I'm sure Shaq's uh hands are way way bigger than (*)'s
also.
Jeff Joseph
In article <4n6ies$k...@news.orst.edu>, nava...@ucs.orst.edu (Roy
Navarre) wrote:
>Once again, Shaq has been the Magic's most consistent player.
>Not only is he scoring the most points as usual, he is
>also making all the other Magic players better.
Really? They seemed to do pretty well when he was injured...
>The rest of the team mops up on all the doulbe and triple
>teams on SHaq.
Anderson and Penny mopped up a lot of points when Jon Konchak was up
there.
>Plus, Shaq pulls down the rebounds and clogs up the middle.
And then some (although Horace has taken some of the rebounding pressure
off.)
>Who is the best judge of talent in the NBA? Probably
>Jerry West. Jerry West has said he is going to try to
>move heaven and earth to sign Shaq.
I'd be amazed about this given that the NBA still has tampering rules
last time I checked. Anyway, his "heaven and earth" could be bought
eighty times over by the DeVos family.
>There can be no more argument. Shaq is now the best player in the NBA.
You mean there was someone who was "best" before? I'm stunned (unless,
of course, it was Rauf.)
>He's still too young for many of the old timers to give him his full due,
Something to do with not hitting a free throw if his life depended on
it?
>The guard has changed.
Penny out, Shaw in?
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Martin Shobe
jjo...@interlog.com (Jeff Joseph) wrote:
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>>The guard has changed.
>Penny out, Shaw in?
No, Bowie for Anderson. Bowie has a triple double and all that.
Martin Shobe
kh...@unix.ksu.ksu.edu
BTW, :)
sun...@rpi.edu
nava...@ucs.orst.edu (Roy Navarre) says:
> Shaq is now the best player etc etc....
> The guard has changed.
Just one small nit-picking point here:
Shaq is a center, not a guard. :)
And if the Magic's guards didn't change, they might
win more games (Hazardous duty : to defend against a player
who has worn the same sweaty clothes for 82+games) :)
Barath
(who guards against using loose terms like guard .... not
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Roy Navarre
Murali Reddy <mre...@jpmorgan.com> wrote:
>Roy Navarre <nava...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote:
>>The guard has changed.
>You had to wait until May 1996 to come to this conclusion !?
>You are slipping, Roy.
Forget to take your chewy vitamin pill today Murali? I have posted
such assertions once per month for the last 4 years. Stay tuned
for next months.
Pinhead
Ryan Herbert
nava...@ucs.orst.edu (Roy Navarre) wrote:
>Once again, Shaq has been the Magic's most consistent player.
>Not only is he scoring the most points as usual, he is
blah blah blah....
>The guard has changed.
>Pinhead
Shaq plays basketball now?
Robert Stark
Martin Shobe (kh...@unix.ksu.ksu.edu) wrote:
: Shaq would have had to shot 90% from the line to take the scoring title from
: Jordan.
Yes, but IF he did shoot 75 - 80% from the line, then probably he would
not be fouled so much because fouling Shaq suddenly isn't such a good idea
because you are 75-80% assurred that he is going to get the 2 points anyway.
Therefore, because he isn't fouled so much, maybe -- just maybe!! -- he
might have a decent shot at jordan's scoring numbers.
But....that is a big IF
Douglas Glass
Roy Navarre (nava...@ucs.orst.edu) wrote:
Yes, and people like Robinson, Olajuwan and Jordan always do better. You
are such the basketball guru.
Martin Shobe
rst...@sfu.ca (Robert Stark) wrote:
>Martin Shobe (kh...@unix.ksu.ksu.edu) wrote:
This sounds familiar.
You foul someone if its all but certain they are going to score. Thier FT%
rarely comes into it. It hasn't stopped them from fouling Karl Malone has it?
BTW, if your shooting better from the line than from the field, if you take the
same number of "attempts" than your scoring will go down as you are fouled less.
Martin Shobe
kh...@unix.ksu.ksu.edu
Nick M. Zayed
In article <4nfv8t$3...@news.orst.edu>,
Roy Navarre <nava...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote:
>Murali Reddy <mre...@jpmorgan.com> wrote:
>>Roy Navarre <nava...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote:
>>>The guard has changed.
>>You had to wait until May 1996 to come to this conclusion !?
>>You are slipping, Roy.
>
>Forget to take your chewy vitamin pill today Murali? I have posted
>such assertions once per month for the last 4 years. Stay tuned
>for next months.
>
Four years is an awfully long changing of the guard, wouldn't
you say, PH?
Nick