ACC tournament quote
Brett Chapman
"To accomplish an ACC championship means a lot. That's something
that no matter how great you were, you couldn't do it three days
in a row, you couldn't do it away from you home court, you couldn't
do it on a neutral site, you couldn't do it against a team that
wasn't seeded higher than you were."
Brett
Craig A. Simpson
Brett, I'm a little confused here. Didn't the Dookies on the net
say that the ACC tournament was not important? Who actually said
this, I think that B. Davis said this in the paper yesterday but
I could be wrong.
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Brett Chapman
>
>>Quote of the day regarding Dook and the ACC tournament:
>
>>"To accomplish an ACC championship means a lot. That's something
>>that no matter how great you were, you couldn't do it three days
>>in a row, you couldn't do it away from you home court, you couldn't
>>do it on a neutral site, you couldn't do it against a team that
>>wasn't seeded higher than you were."
>
>Brett, I'm a little confused here. Didn't the Dookies on the net
>say that the ACC tournament was not important? Who actually said
>this, I think that B. Davis said this in the paper yesterday but
>I could be wrong.
>
Yes Craig, you are amazingly correct. It was Dook's very own Brian
Davis -- Gasp! -- who uttered this blasphemy. The rest of the quote:
"We're supposed to win. I really believe we're supposed to win. If we
don't, then it's a disappointment."
This has got to make some Dookie posters wince. In fact on a WRAL
local TV interview last night, Davis stated clearly that the two
tournaments -- ACC and NCAA -- have always been Dook's goals. He
also said they've never worried too much about the regular season.
Please post Dookie flames directly to Mr Davis, not me! :)
George Harris
>In article <craig.700326633@sibelius>, cr...@unx.sas.com (Craig A. Simpson) writes:
>>
>>say that the ACC tournament was not important? Who actually said
>>this, I think that B. Davis said this in the paper yesterday but
>>I could be wrong.
No, actually, they didn't. They said it was not the most important
thing. There is a distinction, as those of us without reading disabilities
realize.
>
> Yes Craig, you are amazingly correct. It was Dook's very own Brian
> Davis -- Gasp! -- who uttered this blasphemy. The rest of the quote:
>
> "We're supposed to win. I really believe we're supposed to win. If we
> don't, then it's a disappointment."
>
> This has got to make some Dookie posters wince. In fact on a WRAL
> local TV interview last night, Davis stated clearly that the two
> tournaments -- ACC and NCAA -- have always been Dook's goals. He
> also said they've never worried too much about the regular season.
>
> Please post Dookie flames directly to Mr Davis, not me! :)
Well, there's no need to send any flames to Mr. Davis, as he hasn't
said anything that disagrees with anything any Duke fans have posted. However
Bratt has adequately demonstrated that reading comprehension is not a required
skill at the SAS institute.
Try and understand this: I'll put it in short words, so you might be
able to figure it out:
The NCAA is the *most* important part of the season. Thus, getting
into the NCAA is the *most* important part of the regular season. After that,
the ACC tournament is *most* important. Is that clear? Or do you just never
read these posts and make up what you'd like to be in them?
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Craig A. Simpson
> No, actually, they didn't. They said it was not the most important
>thing. There is a distinction, as those of us without reading disabilities
> Well, there's no need to send any flames to Mr. Davis, as he hasn't
>said anything that disagrees with anything any Duke fans have posted. However
>Bratt has adequately demonstrated that reading comprehension is not a required
>skill at the SAS institute.
> Try and understand this: I'll put it in short words, so you might be
>able to figure it out:
> The NCAA is the *most* important part of the season. Thus, getting
>into the NCAA is the *most* important part of the regular season. After that,
>the ACC tournament is *most* important. Is that clear? Or do you just never
>read these posts and make up what you'd like to be in them?
Oh boy, another obnoxious Dookie, what a shock. You and Mr. KUMAR
should go take a valium or something. Brett and I were just having
a little fun, waiting to see just what little Dookie would overreact
and take us down that wonderful road of net name calling. I have to
admit that after 5 days, I wondered if the Dookies out there had
wised up and figured it out, thanks for restoring my faith.
My money was on Mr. KUMAR (I was just longing to be called "toolboy",
Brett, er Bratt, took the field so he wins. Congrats on joining
that ever growing list of Dookies that show the world just what a
classy group that Dook fans are (even ones with a UNC address).
George Harris
(I delete what I wrote, because it's not really relevant to the point)
In article <craig.700674769@sibelius> cr...@unx.sas.com (Craig A. Simpson) writes:
>
>Oh boy, another obnoxious Dookie, what a shock. You and Mr. KUMAR
>should go take a valium or something. Brett and I were just having
>a little fun, waiting to see just what little Dookie would overreact
>and take us down that wonderful road of net name calling. I have to
>admit that after 5 days, I wondered if the Dookies out there had
>wised up and figured it out, thanks for restoring my faith.
>My money was on Mr. KUMAR (I was just longing to be called "toolboy",
>Brett, er Bratt, took the field so he wins. Congrats on joining
>that ever growing list of Dookies that show the world just what a
>classy group that Dook fans are (even ones with a UNC address).
You post insulting, inflammatory and fraudulant claims on the net, and
then sit back and giggle over the responses? That's the type of posting I'd
expect from a high-school student, not someone who has a college degree and
a responsible position. So, forgive me for over-estimating the maturity of
your sense of humor.
>Craig Simpson | "Let me tell you a little bit about
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Brett Chapman
>>In article <craig.700326633@sibelius>, cr...@unx.sas.com (Craig A. Simpson) writes:
>>>
>>>say that the ACC tournament was not important? Who actually said
>>>this, I think that B. Davis said this in the paper yesterday but
>>>I could be wrong.
>
> No, actually, they didn't. They said it was not the most important
>thing. There is a distinction, as those of us without reading disabilities
>realize.
>>
>> local TV interview last night, Davis stated clearly that the two
>> tournaments -- ACC and NCAA -- have always been Dook's goals. He
>>
>said anything that disagrees with anything any Duke fans have posted. However
>Bratt has adequately demonstrated that reading comprehension is not a required
>skill at the SAS institute.
Chill, Georgio! Take some Lomotil or Immodium -- you're making a mess!
I don't really want to reopen a can of worms here, but maybe we should go
back to the original posting that started all of this (back in February):
> >In article <korrq...@bathtub.cs.utexas.edu>, cla...@cs.utexas.edu (Daniel
J. Clancy) writes:
> >>
> >>undefeated season into the NCAA. Coach K is a master at getting his team
> >>prepared for the NCAA so that they are peaking at the appropriate time.
> >>They frequently loose a few at this point in the ACC schedule and
> >>then start peaking for the tournament. In fact, Coach K has
> >>not even stressed the ACC tournament that much. We've probably
> >>only won the ACC tournament 2 of the last 6 years while we have been
> >>in the final 4 5 of those years. Coach realizes the
> >>final 4 is the name of the game and may coach accordingly.
> >>
The objectionable statement (at least to me) here is 'Coach K has not even
stressed the ACC tournament.' I called B.S. on this statement at the time
and I think numerous quotes by the Dook basketball team itself since then
have supported me. When Brian Davis says on TV that "since the beginning of
the year, coach (I assume he is referring to Coach K here) has had goals of
winning the ACC and NCAA tournaments.", what else is there to argue? Making
an ACC tournament championship one of two goals must mean it is 'stressed'
(regardless of whether it is secondary to the NCAA), no?
For those of you 'without reading disabilities', maybe you ought to take another
read. As you can see from my re-posting of the original article, I have not
'made up' anything. This original posting was followed up by a thread containing
lots of misunderstandings and poor choices of words (on my part too). Perhaps
you have confused the numerous followups, leading to your ignorant thrashing out.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
I fail to see any reason for bringing my place of work into this. If you want
to attack me personally, I've got no complaint, fire away. But what are you
trying to accomplish by insulting 1500 employees, including plenty of Duke grads?
Pretty poor netiquette, I'd say George.
This will be my one and only attempt at clarifying things in the group. If
you'd like to continue this discussion, I'd suggest we spare the rest of the
readers and take it offline ==> sas...@unx.sas.com
Brett
Dov Bulka
>George.Harris writes:
>> The NCAA is the *most* important part of the season. Thus, getting
>>into the NCAA is the *most* important part of the regular season. After that,
>>the ACC tournament is *most* important. Is that clear? Or do you just never
>>read these posts and make up what you'd like to be in them?
>Oh boy, another obnoxious Dookie, what a shock. You and Mr. KUMAR
>should go take a valium or something. Brett and I were just having
>a little fun, waiting to see just what little Dookie would overreact
>and take us down that wonderful road of net name calling. I have to
>admit that after 5 days, I wondered if the Dookies out there had
>wised up and figured it out, thanks for restoring my faith.
>My money was on Mr. KUMAR (I was just longing to be called "toolboy",
>Brett, er Bratt, took the field so he wins. Congrats on joining
>that ever growing list of Dookies that show the world just what a
>classy group that Dook fans are (even ones with a UNC address).
>
Well, I had that sick feeling in my stomach Sunday that UNC-CH
was gonna snatch the ACC title away from Duke.
I prepared a file in advance, to post in the case of a Duke
defeat. You know, blaming the loss on the officials and
seriously downplaying the importance of the ACC tournament,
blah, blah, blha ...
Fortunately, there is no need for that crap anymore.
10 minutes into the first half UNC was shooting 90% from the
floor. And what did have to show for it? A meager two point
lead.
Leattner was sensational. 5-8 on 3's. He is 25-37 on 3's lately.
Play of the game: Grant Hill's steal on the inbound pass and that
coast to coast Jamburger!
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Craig A. Simpson
>Well, I had that sick feeling in my stomach Sunday that UNC-CH
>was gonna snatch the ACC title away from Duke.
>I prepared a file in advance, to post in the case of a Duke
>defeat. You know, blaming the loss on the officials and
>seriously downplaying the importance of the ACC tournament,
>blah, blah, blha ...
>Fortunately, there is no need for that crap anymore.
I had the sick feeling the other way. Your team really
showed me a lot on Saturday against Ga. Tech. They wanted
it and it showed. I think that we played well but when Duke,
with the talent that they have, plays like that...
Well let me just say, I was not suprised at the results.
>10 minutes into the first half UNC was shooting 90% from the
>floor. And what did have to show for it? A meager two point
>lead.
>Leattner was sensational. 5-8 on 3's. He is 25-37 on 3's lately.
As I have said before (Mr. Harris, are you listening?), Mr.
Leattner is the POY, hands down. I may not like him, but I
am not blind either.
Richard Burton
Here are my predictions for first-round upsets this year. (Note that I do
not consider a 9 seed beating an 8 seed and upset, but I do think that
the 8 seeds SHOULD all advance this year, with the possible exception of
Evansville.)
I will also try to give reasons WHY I think the upsets are possible.
East: W. Virginia (12) over Mizzoo(5) WVa had a good year and has a good
coach; Mizzoo was inconsistent and has Norm Stewart.
Princeton (11) over Syracuse (6) Granted, the Tigers are down this
year, but so is Syracuse. This could be the year that Carrill
breaks through
West: BYU (10) over LSU (7) If it just came down to the teams playing,
I'd go with LSU. But BYU has a good, unkown coach in Roger Reed
(sp?), and a solid frontline in spite of the absence of Shawn
Bradley. The Coogs also have a better perimeter game than LSU
does, but that isn't necessarily saying a whole hell of a lot.
Though I think it won't happen, I could see South Florida beating
Georgetown, too. The Hoyas can dominate inside, of course, but
the Bulls are much better at the guards and forwards.
Midwest: SWMS (12) over Michigan State (5) The Spartans have been fooling
around with upset-minded teams for too long now. One of these
directional schools is going to catch them napping some day, and
SWMSU is on a roll lately.
Pepperdine (11) over Memphis State (6) On paper, this shouldn't
happen, but I personally think that the Tigers are overrated,
and Pepperdine has quietly been winning and winning. If Anfernee
hardaway has a bad game, look for the Waves to roll. (Sorry about
that pun.)
Houston (10) over Georgia Tech (7) Underrated Houston vs overrated
Georgia Tech. Houston is an older club, while GT tends to rely
more on freshmen. Again, I could be wrong, but the possibility
is certainly there. Besides, the Cougars don't have to worry
about Guy V. Lewis anymore.
Southeast: Miami OH (13) over UNC (4) Never bet against the MAC. Miami
has played well recently in close games, while UNC has shown
some S3Ding that could make Bill Frieder proud. The Redskins
will have to worry about UNC's inside play, but MU coach
Joby Wright played inside himself and has a week to prepare.
Probably won't happen, but UNC's point problems open up a
great opportunity here.
ETSU (14) over Arizona (3) This would be a real biggy. The
admittedly few times that I have seen the Cats this year,
they seemed to have trouble with quicker inside players,
which ETSU certainly has. The Pirates have great guard
play, and can run all day, even Greg Dennis. ETSU can use
its speed, leaping ability, and good postioning on the
boards to take away the Arizona height and bulk advantage.
ETSU has been close for three years now to pulling off
a great upset, and this just may be it. Arizona will
probably win, but don't be surprised if ETSU takes this one.
Tulane (10) over St John's (7) Great depth versus an
overrated Big East squad with little to no depth. The
Green Wave ended strong after stumbling earlier, and
will beat Malik and the Four Guys, maybe in overtime.
Granted, if these all pan out, and are the only upsets, I will be shocked and
should get a job at CBS. (where I can make fun of Mike Francesa's accent and
Billy Packer's looking like a pederast vole.) Also, I really think that,
honest to God, IU could well lose to Eastern Illinois. (I have BYU beating
IU in the second round as it is.)
For a dark horse? How bout Tulane or FSU in the Elite Eight? I still think,
tho, that it will be Duke and Kansas in the final game.
T-Bone Burton
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patrick widener
>
> ETSU (14) over Arizona (3) This would be a real biggy. The
> admittedly few times that I have seen the Cats this year,
> they seemed to have trouble with quicker inside players,
> which ETSU certainly has. The Pirates have great guard
> play, and can run all day, even Greg Dennis. ETSU can use
> its speed, leaping ability, and good postioning on the
> boards to take away the Arizona height and bulk advantage.
> ETSU has been close for three years now to pulling off
> a great upset, and this just may be it. Arizona will
> probably win, but don't be surprised if ETSU takes this one.
I think you're right, this one just may happen. Princeton over Syracuse
is a decent bet too, methinks. Personally, I'm wondering about (if Michigan
beats Temple and Arizona gets past East Tennis-shoe State) the Michigan -
Arizona matchup. I have Arizona on through to the regional final but I
think Michigan might just surprise a lot of people. Maybe I oughta go
revise my brackets.
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Glenn Tanner
>not consider a 9 seed beating an 8 seed and upset, but I do think that
>the 8 seeds SHOULD all advance this year, with the possible exception of
>Evansville.)
>
>
>
>
>Georgetown, too. The Hoyas can dominate inside, of course, but
> the Bulls are much better at the guards and forwards.
>
>Midwest: SWMS (12) over Michigan State (5) The Spartans have been fooling
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>CASA
>Coors U.
OK, that's 9 and a half upsets predicted. Mike Francesa may have to pick
Campbell over Duke to top this.
GT
Anne Rappaport
> In article <1992Mar16.2...@colorado.edu>, bur...@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton) writes:
> > ETSU (14) over Arizona (3) This would be a real biggy. The
Yeah - and hell might just freeze over too. Get a grip. ETSU has little or
no chance of even keeping the game to a 10 point difference - the only
shot they have is to shoot 60% from 3-point land, but even then, Mills'
25 points and Rooks' 28 are likely to be enough to counter it. The cats
by 12 at the very least.... geezuz - talk about no respect....
> is a decent bet too, methinks. Personally, I'm wondering about (if Michigan
> beats Temple and Arizona gets past East Tennis-shoe State) the Michigan -
> Arizona matchup. I have Arizona on through to the regional final but I
> think Michigan might just surprise a lot of people. Maybe I oughta go
> revise my brackets.
I wouldn't be shocked if Michigan blew it against Temple - Temple is an
experienced team who will play mind games with kids like Michigan. Can the
fab-5 stand the tempo that Temple will force on them or will they try to
force the play and thus play into the hands of the Owls???
If Michigan does win, they are the tougher opponent for the Cats as they
pose match-up problems but if I were Michigan fans, I'd be concerned, meanwhile,
in Tucson, I'll sip a Margarita or two in the 75 degree weather and smile
through the first round....
Kevin Klinge
|>
|> East: W. Virginia (12) over Mizzoo(5) WVa had a good year and has a good
|> coach; Mizzoo was inconsistent and has Norm Stewart.
Yeah, I'm tempted to take this one. Mizzoo's regular season finish and
their 1st round B8 loss to Iowa State sure isn't indicating they on any kind
of positive roll.
|> Princeton (11) over Syracuse (6) Granted, the Tigers are down this
|> year, but so is Syracuse. This could be the year that Carrill
|> breaks through
I agree, but does this still count as an upset if a good majority seem to be
leaning towards Princeton? There are a lot of people I know picking
the Tigers... I certainly won't be surprised.
|> West: BYU (10) over LSU (7) If it just came down to the teams playing,
|> I'd go with LSU. But BYU has a good, unkown coach in Roger Reed
|> (sp?), and a solid frontline in spite of the absence of Shawn
|> Bradley. The Coogs also have a better perimeter game than LSU
|> does, but that isn't necessarily saying a whole hell of a lot.
BYU has a consistent stable of big men around 6-10, but no one to compare
to the Shaq. I see LSU holding on.
|> Though I think it won't happen, I could see South Florida beating
|> Georgetown, too. The Hoyas can dominate inside, of course, but
|> the Bulls are much better at the guards and forwards.
I like South Florida. They're a more veteran team, and I don't think
Alonzo will be enough for GTown to win. It would be interesting to see
a South Florida/FSU matchup in round 2, a rematch of a game South Florida
won early in the year.
|> Houston (10) over Georgia Tech (7) Underrated Houston vs overrated
|> Georgia Tech. Houston is an older club, while GT tends to rely
|> more on freshmen. Again, I could be wrong, but the possibility
|> is certainly there. Besides, the Cougars don't have to worry
|> about Guy V. Lewis anymore.
Another popular upset pick. Houston could be Sweet 16 bound, as I see it.
|> Southeast: Miami OH (13) over UNC (4) Never bet against the MAC. Miami
And given the fact that they're playing 30 miles from Miami (OH), this
might be a homer the Redskins could win.
|> ETSU (14) over Arizona (3) This would be a real biggy. The
As a Michigan fan, I wouldn't mind this one at all!:-)
|> Tulane (10) over St John's (7) Great depth versus an
|> overrated Big East squad with little to no depth. The
|> Green Wave ended strong after stumbling earlier, and
|> will beat Malik and the Four Guys, maybe in overtime.
Agreed. Tulane seems to be over their mid-season stumbles, and
I think St. John's is overrated.
|> Granted, if these all pan out, and are the only upsets, I will be shocked and
|> should get a job at CBS. (where I can make fun of Mike Francesa's accent and
|> Billy Packer's looking like a pederast vole.)
I'm going to try and post Mike Francesa's picks that he gives out over
the FAN 660 AM in NY. He gives out more info over the radio during his
show, so this should give most people something to critique as the
tournament progresses. I know he likes St. John's in the SE, and he
should give out all of his picks by this Wed. evening.
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Ralph Kennedy
> meanwhile, in Tucson, I'll sip a Margarita or two in the 75 degree
> weather and smile through the first round....
All the while wearing your Brazilian
thong bikini no doubt, eh gArY? (Er, I mean
aNnE, his doctor said we should humor him.)
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today's Houston Chronicle about the situation at UNLV (Rice bb coach
Scott Thompson is a candidate there). He said:
"That (ULNV) could be a kind of volatile situation. The people out there
are used to winning 25, 26 times a year. To do that within legal limits
would be tough."
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Richard Burton
>patrick widener writes:
>> Richard Burton writes:
>> > ETSU (14) over Arizona (3) This would be a real biggy. The
>> I think you're right, this one just may happen. Princeton over Syracuse
>Yeah - and hell might just freeze over too. Get a grip. ETSU has little or
>no chance of even keeping the game to a 10 point difference - the only
>shot they have is to shoot 60% from 3-point land, but even then, Mills'
>25 points and Rooks' 28 are likely to be enough to counter it. The cats
>by 12 at the very least.... geezuz - talk about no respect....
Two points, Anne/Gary: 1) I gave the reasons for the upset to justify
the prediction. 2) These are upsets to look for; by definition, one
can't accurately predict every upset and every non-upset. I was just
looking for games where the conditions made the upset possible.
Oh, and one more thing: respect is something earned (unless you are a
faculty member here at CU, in which case it comes through intimidation.)
T-Bone Burton
CASA
Coors U.
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Wisconsin? The deer dig it." - Pam Stone
George Harris
>
>As I have said before (Mr. Harris, are you listening?), Mr.
>Leattner is the POY, hands down. I may not like him, but I
>am not blind either.
Oh, I'm listening (actually, reading), and I agree with you. I'll do
you one better and say that I think Hubert Davis should have been 1st-team All-
ACC. Don't know who I would have left off, though...
>Craig Simpson | "Let me tell you a little bit about
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Charlie Richter
> Yeah - and hell might just freeze over too. Get a grip. ETSU has little or
> no chance of even keeping the game to a 10 point difference - the only
> shot they have is to shoot 60% from 3-point land, but even then, Mills'
> 25 points and Rooks' 28 are likely to be enough to counter it. The cats
> by 12 at the very least.... geezuz - talk about no respect....
As they said in German East Africa, a hyena in a lion's skin still eats
last.
(Anne, you should relegate him to the couch for using your account!)
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