Did Ziele Interfer with Block-EEE?

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A Phan

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Jul 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/8/00
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Watching the game on the worst network for baseball (FOX) we've seen the first inning interference play many times; It will probably be seen ad nauseum on all sports broadcasts so lots of folks will have an opinion.

So what's the newsgoup's consensus? Was it interference by Ziele or not?

MHO (not that anybody cares) is that it might be interference; (I'm a fence sitter on lots of things). It looked like Lee Mazoni certainly had a hand in getting the young umpire to call the play.

John T
 
 

Walter Cook

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I'd say yes because it definitely looked like Knoblauch had to alter his path to avoid Zeile.  Is it just me or are more interference calls being made lately? 
 
The Yanks first base coach is Lee Mazzilli.  Leo Mazzone is the Braves' pitching coach.
 
 

A Phan

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<<<The Yanks first base coach is Lee Mazzilli.  Leo Mazzone is the Braves' pitching coach.>>>

I know this and I was telling myself to be sure to get the name right when I was writing the post. It must have been some sort of Freudian slip that caused me to confuse the two. Maybe because I was watching the game with a Yankees fan.   ;)

In addition, I'm not so certain that Block-EEE had to alter his path. After being tagged out at second he went straight to the dugout without a peep. I know that he's a "good guy" and not the type to make a big deal over little things, but the lack of protest does kind of work against him here in the court of public opinion, doesn't it? 

Walter Cook wrote:

I'd say yes because it definitely looked like Knoblauch had to alter his path to avoid Zeile.  Is it just me or are more interference calls being made lately? The Yanks first base coach is Lee Mazzilli.  Leo Mazzone is the Braves' pitching coach.  

A Phan <REMOVETHIS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:39679513...@yahoo.com...Watching the game on the worst network for baseball (FOX) we've seen the first inning interference play many times; It will probably be seen ad nauseum on all sports broadcasts so lots of folks will have an opinion.

Arthur Wohlwill

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In article <39679513...@yahoo.com> A Phan <REMOVETHIS...@yahoo.com> writes:
>From: A Phan <REMOVETHIS...@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Did Ziele Interfer with Block-EEE?
>Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:51:52 GMT


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>Watching the game on the worst network for baseball (FOX) we've seen the
>first inning interference play many times; It will probably be seen ad
>nauseum on all sports broadcasts so lots of folks will have an opinion.

>So what's the newsgoup's consensus? Was it interference by Ziele or not?

>MHO (not that anybody cares) is that it might be interference; (I'm a
>fence sitter on lots of things). It looked like Lee Mazoni certainly had
>a hand in getting the young umpire to call the play.

>John T

There was a similar play in the Pirates-Cubs game a few days ago. Replays
clearly showed interference by (Greene?) on the Pirates runner heading home,
but the umps did not call it and Lamont's arguments were for naught. At least
he did not get tossed.

Arthur Wohlwill adwo...@UIC.EDU

Richard Theiling

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Looking at the replay, Knoblauch did not alter his course at all to
get around Zeile. He did dip his left shoulder to avoid grazing Zeile's
arm as he went by but it did not appear to cost him any speed and he was
out at second by 10 feet so I would say No Interference.

Rick


ryan_r...@my-deja.com

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Jul 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/10/00
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In article <39679513...@yahoo.com>,

A Phan <REMOVETHIS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Watching the game on the worst network for baseball (FOX) we've seen
the
> first inning interference play many times; It will probably be seen ad
> nauseum on all sports broadcasts so lots of folks will have an
opinion.
>
> So what's the newsgoup's consensus? Was it interference by Ziele or
>not?

Not a chance. Obstruction? That's something else...


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Ira K Blum

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Jul 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/11/00
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<ryan_r...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <39679513...@yahoo.com>,
> A Phan <REMOVETHIS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Watching the game on the worst network for baseball (FOX) we've seen
> the
> > first inning interference play many times; It will probably be seen ad
> > nauseum on all sports broadcasts so lots of folks will have an
> opinion.
> >
> > So what's the newsgoup's consensus? Was it interference by Ziele or
> >not?
>
> Not a chance. Obstruction? That's something else...
>

I noticed that Zeile grabbed his cup as the man ran by. He never moved from
his position and his back was to the runner. I would say not interference.
Having played first, I know that that can happen from time to time.

Ira

David Marc Nieporent

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In <8kbfab$r8m$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <ryan_r...@my-deja.com> claimed:
> A Phan <REMOVETHIS...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Watching the game on the worst network for baseball (FOX) we've seen the
>> first inning interference play many times; It will probably be seen ad
>> nauseum on all sports broadcasts so lots of folks will have an opinion.

>> So what's the newsgoup's consensus? Was it interference by Ziele or not?

>Not a chance. Obstruction? That's something else...

Well, Zeile *was* guilty of interference in that game. So nyah.

And does anybody wish baseball would stop using two names for the same
thing, since nobody -- players, announcers, fans -- can remember which is
which, except Ryan?
--
David M. Nieporent Roberto Petagine for the
niep...@alumni.princeton.edu Hall of Fame

ryan_r...@my-deja.com

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In article <8kfcfm$auf$1...@shell.monmouth.com>,

niep...@alumni.princeton.edu wrote:
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> And does anybody wish baseball would stop using two names for the same
> thing, since nobody -- players, announcers, fans -- can remember
which is
> which, except Ryan?

Because they are not the same thing. Perhaps people who can't remember
the difference should learn a little more about the game.

Jeff Drummond

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In article <8kfsp6$2va$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, ryan_r...@my-deja.com writes:
|> In article <8kfcfm$auf$1...@shell.monmouth.com>,
|> niep...@alumni.princeton.edu wrote:
|>
|> > And does anybody wish baseball would stop using two names for the same
|> > thing, since nobody -- players, announcers, fans -- can remember
|> which is
|> > which, except Ryan?
|>
|> Because they are not the same thing. Perhaps people who can't remember
|> the difference should learn a little more about the game.

There's a difference between understanding the game and understanding the
terminology; not unlike the difference between knowledge and pedantry.

-Jeff j...@cray.com
--
Q: How many pedants does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: Pedants don't _change_ lightbulbs, they _replace_ them.

Robert James

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ryan_r...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> In article <8kfcfm$auf$1...@shell.monmouth.com>,
> niep...@alumni.princeton.edu wrote:
> >
> > And does anybody wish baseball would stop using two names for the same
> > thing, since nobody -- players, announcers, fans -- can remember
> which is
> > which, except Ryan?
>
> Because they are not the same thing. Perhaps people who can't remember
> the difference should learn a little more about the game.

From the rule book Section 2.00 Definition of terms.

Obstruction is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the
ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of
any runner.
****************************************************
So obstruction is an act of the fielder.
****************************************************

Interference
(a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which
interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder
attempting to make a play.
*****************************************************
Interference is the act of the offensive team. However, what's that
word near the end of the first line? Does it say obstruct? Could it be
that when an offensive player interferes with the fielder, he has
obstructed him?

Geez, I wish I knew more about the game.

--
Bob James, Milwaukee, employed at
Medical College of Wisconsin
bo...@post.its.mcw.edu

RStLoup's Mentor

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Jeff Drummond <j...@cray.com> trolls:

> There's a difference between understanding the game and understanding the
> terminology; not unlike the difference between knowledge and pedantry.

Not unlike the difference between understanding the game and
understanding statistics. All evidence suggests the two are mutually
exclusive.

cordially, as always,

rm

David Marc Nieporent

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In <8kfsp6$2va$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <ryan_r...@my-deja.com> claimed:
> niep...@alumni.princeton.edu wrote:

>> And does anybody wish baseball would stop using two names for the same
>> thing, since nobody -- players, announcers, fans -- can remember which is
>> which, except Ryan?

>Because they are not the same thing.

Yeah, they are. In one case the offensive player interferes with the
defensive one. In the other case the defensive player interferes with the
offensive one. One of those is labelled interference, and the other is
labelled obstruction.

>Perhaps people who can't remember
>the difference should learn a little more about the game.

Perhaps you shouldn't be such an asshole. You're the one too dumb to
notice that umpires don't call the right strike zone, and illogical enough
to think that calling a bigger zone can help batters.

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