Slocumb gone to Boston in 6 player deal
Philly the Kid
Red Sox have a legitimate closer now.
Let's see, what did the Phils get ? No starting pitching - the one thing
they really need. No young pitching prospects for future or hot young
double A prospect for further devlopment.
Tinsley may be a nice player - but how does this help the Phils approach
Atlanta ?
PLEASE ! Billy Giles - sell the damn team !! ANd sell it to a
enthusiastic young tycoon who loves Philly, the team and the town. The
fan base is phenomenal. A new park ala Jacobs, Camden etc. and the Phils
would be on track. Dump Fregosi, dump Thomas. Start over form the ground
up, has no one learned the lessons of the Braves and Indians ? Build up
young talent and get pitching !!
-ouch-
Philly the Kid
Doug Huffer
Philly the Kid <apr...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>PLEASE ! Billy Giles - sell the damn team !! ANd sell it to a
>enthusiastic young tycoon who loves Philly, the team and the town.
Like John Du Pont?
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Colin T. William
> The Phillies made a nice deal today - nice if you live in Boston.
>
> Red Sox have a legitimate closer now.
Perhaps. Slocumb wasn't so hot the seconf half last year. So the Sox
won't really know which Slocumb they have.
Colin
Nick Vaccaro
T. William" <cwi...@emory.edu> wrote:
Yeah. The Phils, on the other hand, have a few closer possibilities:
Bottalico, Ryan...anyone know the latest on Wayne Gomes?
As much as I like Slocumb,I think this is a good deal for the Phillies,
who still have plenty of solid relief pitching. Starting pitching, on
the other hand...
Jeff Hildebrand
C Kahrl <c-k...@uchicago.edu> wrote:
>The worst part of the deal was including Larry Wimberley, probably the best
>pitching prospect the Phillies have, and for what?
There have been some serious arguments on this over on the
Phillies newsgroup. Wimberly was certainly one of their best pitching
prospects, although maybe not the best. (Rich Hunter's also looking
damn good.) But including him turned this deal from a decent deal for
the Phils into a total disaster.
> Certainly, Holifield is
>(another) completely useless ex-BlueJay outfielder, so no loss.
Not only is it no loss, but I'd say that by getting him out of
their system they've probably improved themselves. I don't know what
the Red Sox were thinking when they took him.
>useful is Ken Ryan? He may not make the team, with the addition of Donnie
>Elliott and Russ Springer to Bottalico and Borland among bullpen righties.
? Since when did they sign Elliott? I'm blanking on the name, but
I think you may be thinking of someone else.
>Realistically, Murray will be competing with Inky for one roster spot as
>the fourth or fifth outfielder, since Longmire will probably hold the top
>pinch-hitter role.
Neither Murray nor Inky will make the team this year unless
injuries or trades pop up. I'm assuming at this point that with Daulton
going to left (and isn't that going to be an exciting adventure...) the
Phils will keep 11 pitchers, 2 catchers, 6 outfielders and 6 infielders.
Right now the starting three outfielders look like Daulton in left,
Dykstra in center, and Whiten in right. Then the backups are Longmire,
Tinsley, and Eisenreich. I really don't see either Murray or Inky beating
out either of them. Hell, I'd take Gene Schall on the big league team
before either of them. (Sure Schall a lousy defensive outfielder, but
so's Inky.) Schall will probably wind up at Scranton again which is
somewhat ridiculous given that he had a .415 OBP and a .500+ SLG% there
last year.
>So it boils down to Tinsley and some marginally useful trash for Slocumb, a
>top pitching prospect, and a waste of a AA roster spot. Definitely a bad
>move for the Phillies.
You take out the pitching prospect and it's a fine move. Slocumb's
29 and has all the earmarks of the classic career year around age 27-28.
Tinsley's only 26 and probaly quite useful. When it was just rumored as
Slocumb for the three I thought it was a good move. Then I saw they
included Wimberly and got pissed.
-Jeff
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C Kahrl
Hildebrand) wrote:
> ? Since when did they sign Elliott? I'm blanking on the name, but
> I think you may be thinking of someone else.
They signed Donnie to a minor league contract, and he's a NRI. If he's
healthy, he'll win a spot in the pen pretty handily.
> Neither Murray nor Inky will make the team this year unless
> injuries or trades pop up. I'm assuming at this point that with Daulton
> going to left (and isn't that going to be an exciting adventure...) the
> Phils will keep 11 pitchers, 2 catchers, 6 outfielders and 6 infielders.
> Right now the starting three outfielders look like Daulton in left,
> Dykstra in center, and Whiten in right. Then the backups are Longmire,
> Tinsley, and Eisenreich.
Yes, *but*. The Phils let Lenny Webster walk, so it boils down to whether
or not the team would rather keep Lieberthal or Inky as the last man on the
bench. I'd bet on Inky, with Daulton catching once or twice a week. After
all, Inky's got "addy-tood." Eisenreich should/will get alot of playing
time, especially from Whiten, and if Dykstra continues to play center
badly, all sorts of options arise, like Eisenreich in center, Daulton in
right, and Dykstra in left.
> I really don't see either Murray or Inky beating
> out either of them. Hell, I'd take Gene Schall on the big league team
> before either of them. (Sure Schall a lousy defensive outfielder, but
> so's Inky.)
Schall wasn't completely horrifying in the OF, and he should definitely get
a look IMO. Considering the price of playing Gregg Jefferies also involves
having to buy him a friend (Zeile) to keep him company, it probably would
have been better never to have Jefferies at all.
> You take out the pitching prospect and it's a fine move. Slocumb's
> 29 and has all the earmarks of the classic career year around age 27-28.
> Tinsley's only 26 and probaly quite useful. When it was just rumored as
> Slocumb for the three I thought it was a good move. Then I saw they
> included Wimberly and got pissed.
If you'd done a Tinsley-Slocumb swap two years ago, it would have barely
created a ripple either way. In three years, both of them will probably be
ripe enough to be Dodgers, Angels, or Yankees.
> Predicted to compete for the Phillies starting rotation!
Only if you've got the medical bills to prove serious arm injuries in the
last five years. Otherwise, you must not be trying to be the best you can
be.
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C Kahrl
Kid) wrote:
>
> The Phillies made a nice deal today - nice if you live in Boston.
>
> Red Sox have a legitimate closer now.
The worst part of the deal was including Larry Wimberley, probably the best
pitching prospect the Phillies have, and for what? Certainly, Holifield is
(another) completely useless ex-BlueJay outfielder, so no loss. But how
useful is Ken Ryan? He may not make the team, with the addition of Donnie
Elliott and Russ Springer to Bottalico and Borland among bullpen righties.
Glenn Murray? Can't play center, can't draw a walk or make contact, can't
run, probably can't beat out Whiten, Eisenreich, or Tinsley in this life,
and with all of those shortcomings, not exactly a model bench player.
Realistically, Murray will be competing with Inky for one roster spot as
the fourth or fifth outfielder, since Longmire will probably hold the top
pinch-hitter role. To be honest, I don't think Murray is a good bet to beat
Inky out, without even considering the team's probable inclination to keep
Inky just for the press and popularity.
Then there's the speculation that the team is going to have Daulton or
Battle playing some leftfield this year, neither of which bode well for
Murray's potential playing time.
So it boils down to Tinsley and some marginally useful trash for Slocumb, a
top pitching prospect, and a waste of a AA roster spot. Definitely a bad
move for the Phillies.
Jack Heraty
>In article <aprioriD...@netcom.com>,
>Philly the Kid <apr...@netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>PLEASE ! Billy Giles - sell the damn team !! ANd sell it to a
>>enthusiastic young tycoon who loves Philly, the team and the town.
>
>Like John Du Pont?
>
That's not all that far fetched. Remember when the Carpenter family
owned the team? They were also among the legion of descendents of
E.I. duPont de Nemours.
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Jack Heraty
Don't take the world serious.