Same Spelling, Different Pronunciations
Dvd Avins
Bill Mueller (mill'-er)
Jim LeFebvre (le-fee'-ver)
Joe LeFebvre (le-fay')
I was thinking of another one a moment ago, but I've lost it. At least one
of the pair is current.
I knew someone outside of baseball who spelled his name "Millar" and
pronounced it mill'-er, but Kevin Millar (mill-are') is the only baseball
player I know of with that spelling.
Who else?
Dale Hicks
says...
> Don Mueller (myoo'-ler)
> Bill Mueller (mill'-er)
>
> Jim LeFebvre (le-fee'-ver)
> Joe LeFebvre (le-fay')
>
> I was thinking of another one a moment ago, but I've lost it. At least one
> of the pair is current.
Eric and Greg Gagne
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C Nick Beaudrot
wrote:
: Don Mueller (myoo'-ler)
Do accents count? I think it's quite likely that a foreign-born
Hispanic[1] player has a slightly different pronunciation of his last
name then an American-born equivalent.
There is a famous pair in hockey, I believe they might even be brothers,
but I can't remember any more details. They were active in the last 5-8
years, and perhaps more recently than that.
Cheers,
Nick
[1] What is the right PC term here? I heard Kornheiser use the term
"Latin players" as shorthand for "Latin-American ballplayers", which
feels a little strange. I mean, I don't see Pedro wearing a toga and a
wreath of olives branches or anything.
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> Don Mueller (myoo'-ler)
> Bill Mueller (mill'-er)
>
> Jim LeFebvre (le-fee'-ver)
> Joe LeFebvre (le-fay')
>
> I was thinking of another one a moment ago, but I've lost it. At least one
> of the pair is current.
Cecil Fielder (sess'-il)
Cecil Cooper (see'-sil)
Jose Valentin (val-en-teen')
John Valentin (val-en-tin')
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Julie Carter
<dvdNOav...@pobox.com> wrote:
I don't know if this is just a mispronunciation rather than a
different pronunciation, but I've heard Benji Gil called "gill" while
Geronimo Gil is "heel."
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Alice Faber
C Nick Beaudrot <n...@alumni.brown.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 20:35:12 -0400, Dvd Avins <dvdNOav...@pobox.com>
> wrote:
> : Don Mueller (myoo'-ler)
> : Bill Mueller (mill'-er)
> :
> : Jim LeFebvre (le-fee'-ver)
> : Joe LeFebvre (le-fay')
> :
> : I was thinking of another one a moment ago, but I've lost it. At least one
> : of the pair is current.
> :
> : I knew someone outside of baseball who spelled his name "Millar" and
> : pronounced it mill'-er, but Kevin Millar (mill-are') is the only baseball
> : player I know of with that spelling.
> :
> : Who else?
>
> Do accents count? I think it's quite likely that a foreign-born
> Hispanic[1] player has a slightly different pronunciation of his last
> name then an American-born equivalent.
>
> There is a famous pair in hockey, I believe they might even be brothers,
> but I can't remember any more details. They were active in the last 5-8
> years, and perhaps more recently than that.
Dmitri and Boris Mironov. One is MIronov and the other is MiRONov, but I
forget which is which.
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igor eduardo küpfer
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Ben
> Hispanic[1] player has a slightly different pronunciation of his last
> name then an American-born equivalent.
i would classify many of these as corruptions, rather than "different
pronunciations." i remember eddie perez, when he played for the braves, chose to
be called eddie rather than eduardo just because he couldn't stand how anglos
pronounced "eduardo." and leo durocher mentions in his book that he had always
pronounced his name du-ro-SHAY, and was surprised to learn that it had been
changed to du-RO-sher.
> [1] What is the right PC term here? I heard Kornheiser use the term
> "Latin players" as shorthand for "Latin-American ballplayers", which
> feels a little strange. I mean, I don't see Pedro wearing a toga and a
> wreath of olives branches or anything.
"hispanic" refers to haiti and the dominican republic (the two halves of the
island of hispaniola). "latin players" always reminds me of dan quayle ("i need
to brush up on my latin; i'll be visiting latin america next week.") i want to
use some variation of "spanish-speaking," but that sounds clumsy.
--
Ben
Chuck Van Den Corput
wrote:
>I don't know if this is just a mispronunciation rather than a
>different pronunciation, but I've heard Benji Gil called "gill" while
>Geronimo Gil is "heel."
I think this is similar to the laziness that led Jorge (hor-hay) Bell
to becoming George Bell.
Kudos to Posada for not being George-ified which I guess, in NY, can
mean more than one thing.
Chuck
igor eduardo küpfer
<NOSPAMcva...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
<<l0hlgv02fdppe67jf...@4ax.com>>:
>On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:26:42 -0400, Julie Carter <jsgo...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I don't know if this is just a mispronunciation rather than a
>>different pronunciation, but I've heard Benji Gil called "gill" while
>>Geronimo Gil is "heel."
>
>I think this is similar to the laziness that led Jorge (hor-hay) Bell
>to becoming George Bell.
Actually, more like hor-heh. You silly gringos never get that right.
>
>Kudos to Posada for not being George-ified which I guess, in NY, can
>mean more than one thing.
>
>Chuck
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Not baseball, but there was perennial underachieving center
Beniot Benjamin in the 80's NBA, and several NHL players
over the years with that as a last name, but the former was
"Be-NOYT", while the hockey players go with the French
pronounciation of "Ben-WA" (which always make me think
of a sex toy for some reason...).
JD
Chuck Van Den Corput
<str...@example.com> wrote:
>>I think this is similar to the laziness that led Jorge (hor-hay) Bell
>>to becoming George Bell.
>
>Actually, more like hor-heh. You silly gringos never get that right.
Appreciate the correction. I guess you can tell how much Spanish I've
studied.
Chuck
Matt Deres
> On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:26:42 -0400, Julie Carter <jsgo...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I don't know if this is just a mispronunciation rather than a
> >different pronunciation, but I've heard Benji Gil called "gill" while
> >Geronimo Gil is "heel."
>
> I think this is similar to the laziness that led Jorge (hor-hay) Bell
> to becoming George Bell.
Except his name is George. According to baseball-reference.com, his given
name is actually "George Antonio Bell Mathey". Little brother Juan also has
"Mathey" as his final name.
An early card (Donruss, I think) actually had him listed as Jorge; never
happened again.
Matt
Regina Litman
Jose Pagan (puh-GON, from Puerto Rico)
Dave Pagan (PAY-gun, from Saskatchewan, Canada)
And a cross-sports example:
George Brunet (bru-NET) of the 1970 Washington Senators and many other teams
Bob Brunet (bru-NAY), punter for the Washington Redskins in the early 1970s
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Julie Carter
<dvdNOav...@pobox.com> wrote:
Does Joel Pineiro pronounce his name joELL? I've heard that one on
ESPN, and I'm sure there's a JOwuhl or JOLE in MLB somewhere.
--
Julie Carter
sean gilman
Julie Carter wrote:
>
>
> Does Joel Pineiro pronounce his name joELL? I've heard that one on
> ESPN, and I'm sure there's a JOwuhl or JOLE in MLB somewhere.
>
>
It's Jo-el. As a Kryptonian would pronounce it.
sean
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>> to becoming George Bell.
>
>Except his name is George. According to baseball-reference.com, his given
>name is actually "George Antonio Bell Mathey". Little brother Juan also has
>"Mathey" as his final name.
>
>An early card (Donruss, I think) actually had him listed as Jorge; never
>happened again.
Yes it did. His cards said "Jorge" for a few years. At least through 1986.
naniwadekar
"Julie Carter" <jsgo...@yahoo.com> wrote -
>
> I don't know if this is just a mispronunciation rather than a
> different pronunciation, but I've heard Benji Gil called "gill" while
> Geronimo Gil is "heel."
>
Shouldn't that be 'hil_' or 'hi_l_' instead of 'heel' ?
Ron Johnson
Regina Litman <rsli...@infi.net> wrote:
>
>And a cross-sports example:
>
>George Brunet (bru-NET) of the 1970 Washington Senators and many other teams
>Bob Brunet (bru-NAY), punter for the Washington Redskins in the early 1970s
>
many complaints about the way they pronounced Mark Belanger's last name
that they did an interview with him to confirm that he pronounced it
(bel-ANGER).
Took me the longest time to figure out who Jim (BEECH-um) was.
--
RNJ
Keith Willoughby
> "hispanic" refers to haiti and the dominican republic (the two halves
> of the island of hispaniola).
Got a reference for that? The dictionary definitions I can find are "Of
or related to Spain or the Spanish language" or similar.
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Ben
> > of the island of hispaniola).
>
> Got a reference for that? The dictionary definitions I can find are "Of
> or related to Spain or the Spanish language" or similar.
as you so gently point out, i have been duped by yet another folk etymology. in
addition to the evidence you cited above, the dictionary listing for
"hispaniola" points out that it "was originally called Española." so if
"hispanic" actually means "of or related to Española," there is no way to
sustain my opposition to using it to refer to any spanish-speaking person.
when will i learn to look these things up first?
--
Ben B
Regina Litman
>
> Jose Pagan (puh-GON, from Puerto Rico)
> Dave Pagan (PAY-gun, from Saskatchewan, Canada)
>
> And a cross-sports example:
>
> George Brunet (bru-NET) of the 1970 Washington Senators and many other
> teams
> Bob Brunet (bru-NAY), punter for the Washington Redskins in the early 1970s
For some reason, the above message has never been archived in Google
Groups. Maybe it's just as well, because I made an error in it. Well,
thanks to Earthlink's new longer retention times, the message is still
retrievable through my newsserver. And I will now post the correction,
even though it relates to the football reference I made.
I remembered Bob Brunet (bru-NAY) as being a special teams player for
the Redskins in the early 1970s, but he was not their punter. That was
Mike Bragg. Brunet was one of those guys who was listed on the roster as
playing a particular position (in his case, it was running back) but
rarely, if ever, appeared in a play from scrimmage at that position.
Rather, he was one of the coverage players on punts and/or kicks.