Carlton Fisk/Deon Sanders incident ?
gabriel alfaro
this. I have heard that something happened between them, but know no details.
Could someone please fill me in on what happened? Thanks. alf.
mhb...@acfcluster.nyu.edu
If memory serves correctly, Sanders hit a ground ball (or something that
was sure to be an easy out at first) and didn't really bother running to
first. Fisk yelled something to the effect of- Run it out rookie!
There was another great Sanders story involving Frank Howard. Sanders came
out with a lot of attitude and an earing. Howard walked over and said
something like- Hi, my name is Frank Howard and I'm the batting coach. I
played baseball for [whatever # of years he played] and I hit [a shitload
of HRs]... Now get that fucking earing out of your ear!
Or something like that. Its been a while.
Later...
Dodger
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Theodore Matula
plate watching. Fisk yelled something like "Run it out--you're in the majors."
To which Sanders replied something about this not being a plantation.
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|> There was another great Sanders story involving Frank Howard. Sanders came
|> out with a lot of attitude and an earing. Howard walked over and said
|> something like- Hi, my name is Frank Howard and I'm the batting coach. I
|> played baseball for [whatever # of years he played] and I hit [a shitload
|> of HRs]... Now get that fucking earing out of your ear!
|>
A few years back, some rookie came up to the show, fairly staggering under the
weight of all the jewelry. I think is was another player who referred to it as
a "Mr. T Starter Set". Was this Sanders, too?
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Paul Rubinfeld
> In article <2otn68$r...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU>, mhb...@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU writes:
> |>
> |> There was another great Sanders story involving Frank Howard. Sanders came
> |> out with a lot of attitude and an earing. Howard walked over and said
> |> something like- Hi, my name is Frank Howard and I'm the batting coach. I
> |> played baseball for [whatever # of years he played] and I hit [a shitload
> |> of HRs]... Now get that fucking earing out of your ear!
> |>
>
> A few years back, some rookie came up to the show, fairly staggering under the
> weight of all the jewelry. I think is was another player who referred to it as
> a "Mr. T Starter Set". Was this Sanders, too?
No. It was reggie Jackson describing Luis Polonia when both were on the
A's cica 1987.
Paul
Jim Savoy
> A few years back, some rookie came up to the show, fairly staggering under
> the weight of all the jewelry. I think is was another player who referred
> to it as a "Mr. T Starter Set". Was this Sanders, too?
I am now a big fan of Deion's but I remember an incident that boiled my blood
when he first came up with the Yankees. He was batting around .190 (but
acting like it was .390) and homered off of Milwaukee's Mike Birkbeck (it
was either Birkbeck or Clutterbuck, probably Birkbeck) and he took forever
rounding the bases. Then, just before reaching home plate, he stopped to tie
his shoelace. I was seething, expecting Birkbeck either to nail the next
Yankee in the back, or to wait for Deion's next appearance, to nail him.
Birkbeck did nothing about it.
Although it's politically incorrect to advocate throwing at a batter (I'm
sure if you'd seen the game, you'd wished Birkbeck put Mr. Jewelery 6 feet
under!), in restrospect, that scene pretty much summarized the direction
their respective careers were taking.
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Paul Andresen
|> > I think is was another player who referred to it as
|> > a "Mr. T Starter Set". Was this Sanders, too?
|>
|> No. It was reggie Jackson describing Luis Polonia when both were on the
|> A's cica 1987.
The gold clearly didn't impress Reggie too much, but it must work magic with
15 year old girls :-)
Greg Smejkal
>Playing at Comiskey Park, Sanders hit a high infield pop-up and stood at home
>plate watching. Fisk yelled something like "Run it out--you're in the majors."
>To which Sanders replied something about this not being a plantation.
There's more to the story.
During Sanders next plate appearance he took the bat and drew a dollar sign ($)
in the dirt in front of Fisk at home plate as if to say "I play two sports
and make more money than you, why should I listen to you".
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Greg Smejkal
Ryan J Thieme
Why should he listen to Fisk? Because Fisk has more class in his jock
strap than Sanders has in his whole body. And two sports star or not, he
should learn to keep his mouth shut to future hall of famers. Not to
mention the fact that Fisk is probably as close to Cooperstown as Sanders
will ever come. The arrogant fuck. I just thought I hated him before
but now I am sure of it. Go ahead and flame away, but I am happy to take
it in this instance
Ryan
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>Greg Smejkal
Nick Giannios
>Why should he listen to Fisk? Because Fisk has more class in his jock
>strap than Sanders has in his whole body. And two sports star or not, he
>should learn to keep his mouth shut to future hall of famers. Not to
>mention the fact that Fisk is probably as close to Cooperstown as Sanders
>will ever come. The arrogant fuck. I just thought I hated him before
>but now I am sure of it. Go ahead and flame away, but I am happy to take
>it in this instance
I would like to know the reasons that people feel obliged to bash Deion
Sanders every chance they get. Does the fact that he's flashy and really
confident has anything to do with it ? Are they the same reasons that
make people bash Barry Bonds (and I'm not saying that Sanders is the
player Bonds is) ?
Why exactly should Sanders shut his mouth to Fisk or other future HOFs ?
I'm not saying that he should go out and say something like "This Mays
guy couldn't hold my jockstrap" but why should he just take the abuse
and shut up ? And how can you say whether Sanders will go to the HOF ?
Did you know in 1974 that Fisk was going to be there ?
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"Cracking the Show", in the section on Fisk. It's a wonderful book.
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but this time he ran it out.
Paul Andresen
|>
|> I would like to know the reasons that people feel obliged to bash Deion
|> Sanders every chance they get. Does the fact that he's flashy and really
|> confident has anything to do with it ? Are they the same reasons that
|> make people bash Barry Bonds (and I'm not saying that Sanders is the
|> player Bonds is) ?
Flashy & really confident? How about arrogant hot dog? Yes, that what really
annoys me about Sanders. I'd be annoyed less if he'd made enough of a
contribution to justify his actions, but plain fact is that he hasn't. Bonds
irks me less, because he puts up the numbers.
I know this sounds like the old fart that I am, but I can respect *any*
individual who can act with some dignity and class; not something often
found anywhere in professional sports. Some societies defer and show respect
for their elders (back to the Fisk business). The mini-society of baseball
would be a better place if it did the same.
Natarajan Ramasubramanian
The thing I like about Deion Sanders is that he plays
big in big games. He played well in 1992 WS and I think
he has that confident attitude. Also some of his
best performancs on the gridiron have come against
Michael Irvin and Jerry Rice.
Nick Giannios
>In article <2pdfim$c...@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca>, umgi...@cc.umanitoba.ca (Nick Giannios) writes:
>|>
>|> I would like to know the reasons that people feel obliged to bash Deion
>|> Sanders every chance they get. Does the fact that he's flashy and really
>|> confident has anything to do with it ? Are they the same reasons that
>|> make people bash Barry Bonds (and I'm not saying that Sanders is the
>|> player Bonds is) ?
>Flashy & really confident? How about arrogant hot dog? Yes, that what really
>annoys me about Sanders. I'd be annoyed less if he'd made enough of a
>contribution to justify his actions, but plain fact is that he hasn't. Bonds
>irks me less, because he puts up the numbers.
Let's look at the numbers
1992 303AB 54R 92H 14(3B) 8HR 28RBI 26SB .303BA
1993 276 42 75 6 6 28 19
In 1992 he was very good, in 1993 he was average, so far in 1994 he's very
good. Plus he was one of the few who actually showed up for the 1992 WS.
Sanders is a good ballplayer. Unfortunately, people don't know or choose
to ignore the fact. Instead they focus on his "character flaws".
Zzzzz
(Paul Andresen) writes:
> So he's had a good half season (92) an average half season (93) and a hot
> start (94), plus some half-baked efforts before these years. Now I'll agree
> that Sanders is showing pretty good promise in the last couple of years, but
> he hasn't quite walked his talk just yet. I can deal with the big egos and
> stylin' with those who have demonstrated star qualities (a la Bonds), but
Deion
> hasn't justified his existance yet in that regard.
>
> I have nothing personaly against Sanders. This is a squawk against all the
> wannabes who have proclaimed themselves "arrived" before their time. In
Deion's
> case, I think he can and will arrive once he gets football out of his system
> completely.
>
Since you said it. Sanders seemed to have cut down all that flash stuff and
has said that he might not play football this year, and now he is off to a hot
start. Could it be coincidence or else? Actually, I don't think he was
especially flash or anything on baseball fields last couple of years. I think
his act from football(where he was good) carried over to baseball before. He
worked hard over this winter/spring and he seems to have respect for the game
now, and I like that. It shows too!
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|>
|> Let's look at the numbers
|> 1992 303AB 54R 92H 14(3B) 8HR 28RBI 26SB .303BA
|> 1993 276 42 75 6 6 28 19
|>
|> In 1992 he was very good, in 1993 he was average, so far in 1994 he's very
|> good. Plus he was one of the few who actually showed up for the 1992 WS.
|> Sanders is a good ballplayer. Unfortunately, people don't know or choose
|> to ignore the fact. Instead they focus on his "character flaws".
So he's had a good half season (92) an average half season (93) and a hot
start (94), plus some half-baked efforts before these years. Now I'll agree
that Sanders is showing pretty good promise in the last couple of years, but
he hasn't quite walked his talk just yet. I can deal with the big egos and
stylin' with those who have demonstrated star qualities (a la Bonds), but Deion
hasn't justified his existance yet in that regard.
I have nothing personaly against Sanders. This is a squawk against all the
wannabes who have proclaimed themselves "arrived" before their time. In Deion's
case, I think he can and will arrive once he gets football out of his system
completely.
Gerri
: In article <Cor3J...@world.std.com>, 33c...@world.std.com (Ryan J Thieme)
: writes:
: In regard to Fisk\Sanders incident- I cannot allay the impossibility of such
: an incident other than the fact I have seen Sanders hustle on every play here.
: He is very receptive to advice and gets along with others well. I can presume
: the taunt is in the form of a racial slur. Sanders has been successful at
: everything he has tried athletically and it seems he will continue. If that
: bothers some of the populous so be it.
How do you dare accuse someone of making a racial slur without any such
knowledge. Carlton Fisk and Deion Sanders have discussed the incident
and it had nothing do do with race. The entire story was about respect
for the game, which Mr. Sanders did not have when he came into the
majors. Racism is a serious problem, and you cheapen its impact by
throwing these charges without any knowledge of the event. I can only
hope you were joking and I didn't get it.
John
MICHAEL FOLEY
>In article <Cor3J...@world.std.com>, 33c...@world.std.com (Ryan J Thieme)
>writes:
> In regard to Fisk\Sanders incident- I cannot allay the impossibility of such
>an incident other than the fact I have seen Sanders hustle on every play here.
>He is very receptive to advice and gets along with others well. I can presume
>the taunt is in the form of a racial slur. Sanders has been successful at
>everything he has tried athletically and it seems he will continue. If that
>bothers some of the populous so be it.
Your presumption that Fisk's "taunt" was in the form of a racial slur is
reprehensible. First of all, if you had seen the play, you would know that
Fisk wasn't "taunting" Sanders, he was admonishing him for showing a lack of
respect for the game. Sanders' lack of hustle on the play had nothing to do
with race, and Fisk did not suggest anything of that sort. Your
presumption that Fisk's actions were racially motivated is completely
unsubstantiated and absolutely incorrect, and for that reason posting
such a slanderous comment is unforgivable. Carlton Fisk is not a racist,
and your suggestion to the otherwise, simply based on the fact that he
criticized Sanders, is preposterous. Get a clue.
Miguelito
Barry Daniels
I agree with Migeulito. Your assumption that Fisk made racial comments is down-
right un-informed and ignorant. He simply told Sanders to run out a pop-up and
that he was disgracing the uniform (Yankee pinstripes) by not hustling. There
were no racial implications whatsoever by Fisk.
What Sanders said in return was definitly race-baited. He mumbled something like
"The days of slavery are over". Too many people are using their color or
ethnic background as a scapegoat.
So much media attention is being given to racial issues, that the true focus of
what the problems are has become distorted and lost through knee-jerk reactionists
and attention grabbers like you, Ryan.
I welcome any and all of your comments in response.
BD.
