Best recurve competition target bow?
Sol Young
wondering what the best bows for competition are? I am currently looking at
the PSE Zone, but am wondering what else is out there.
I greatly appreciate any input on this,
Sol Young
Marty Sasaki
Zone. PSE also has the less expensive Universal riser.
In the USA the other two companies to look at are Hoyt (Gold Medalist,
Avalon, and Elan) and Sky (Medalist and Conquest).
In Europe there are lots more choices...
A recurve bow is a very personal thing. This means that it is best to
try out a bow before you buy it. Ideally, you want to try all of the
bows to see what, if any, differences you detect and to weigh how
these differences will affect your performance.
I personally found the Zone and the Avalon to be very similar in
feel. I chose the Zone because it was substantially less expensive (16
months ago) than the Avalon. Today, I might go with the Avalon...
Marty Sasaki
PSE Zone
Martin Scepter XR and Martin Jaguar Fuzion
Angus Duggan
> I personally found the Zone and the Avalon to be very similar in
> feel. I chose the Zone because it was substantially less expensive (16
> months ago) than the Avalon. Today, I might go with the Avalon...
I tried a Zone briefly too, the main difference I found was in the feel of
the grip. The Zone uses Yamaha grips, the Avalon (unsurprisingly) uses Hoyt.
They have a different feel to them, I didn't really get along with the Yamaha
grip (but I am very tempted by their super-forged bow and "Power Recurve"
limbs). Grips can be re-shaped, after all...
a.
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Jörg KAMINSKI
Marty Sasaki wrote:
> The Zone is very nice bow. Some big scores have been shot with a
> Zone. PSE also has the less expensive Universal riser.
>
> In the USA the other two companies to look at are Hoyt (Gold Medalist,
> Avalon, and Elan) and Sky (Medalist and Conquest).
Has anyone the URL of Sky???
Joerg
Edward S. Koizumi
catalog. Call (314) 731-1600 , Fax (314) 731-1310. I've heard good things
about the Conquest and Sky limbs.
For Hoyt, www.hoytusa.com or (514) 447-0870. If you're considering Hoyt's
Avalon, make sure it's the improved, stronger Avalon Plus.
Ed K.
Stretchy Archer
Edward S. Koizumi wrote in message ...
>For Hoyt, www.hoytusa.com or (514) 447-0870. If you're considering Hoyt's
>Avalon, make sure it's the improved, stronger Avalon Plus.
If you're considering buying Hoyt don't buy an Avalon buy an Elan or
anything else! As a one time devotee fo the Avalon regardless of whether it
cracked (I've cracked 4) or not (after all you just got a new bow in a
different colour every 8 months?!?) I can now say that I wouldn't touch one
with a barge pole. Two many moving parts, too much to go wrong!
Problems I had on a Plus include:
1) lower limb adjuster not locking up at every location in it's travel.
(could also happen on Elans)
2) top and bottom larteral tiller bolts becoming separated leaving you with
2mm left and right play in the pocket. (and no I had not used the alignment
bolts that much)
3) Washer under upper pocket wearing down so that you have a little play in
the base of the pocket.
4) Set the bow up using the 23xx trick and guess what the longrod points
three inches to one side!
This bow destroyed my 1998 outdoor season and that was with great customer
support from Quicks Archery but they cannot perform miracles!
So
1) Don't buy one
.....if you ignore 1
2) Buy one from a very good dealer
3) Inspect every moveable bit on the bow every time you shoot it
Sorry to be quite so negative...............
John
Stretchy Archer
Angus Duggan wrote in message ...
>ma...@mss.ne.mediaone.net (Marty Sasaki) writes:
>> I personally found the Zone and the Avalon to be very similar in
>> feel. I chose the Zone because it was substantially less expensive (16
>> months ago) than the Avalon. Today, I might go with the Avalon...
Like I said I wouldn't recommend the Avalon not even the plus but I don't
like the Zone either...... Today I'd go with the Elan, or the Sky or
something strange an European ;o)
>They have a different feel to them, I didn't really get along with the
Yamaha
>grip (but I am very tempted by their super-forged bow and "Power Recurve"
>limbs). Grips can be re-shaped, after all...
But the thermoplastic damping wedges in the limb pockets can only be
replaced by a dealer when they crack. If they do crack the bow will shoot
stangely (not necessarily badly) as the limb is resting on the wedge. This
is more prone to bows that use a top rod.
Apart from that it's a nice bow if you like that sort of thing and
personally I love Yamaha grips! (Oh and you're shortish ie <30" draw and
right handed)
John
Ed DeBee
<stretch...@virgin.net> wrote:
Your comments (deleted) make me want to sell my new Avalon Plus.
However, since I already own it, what is the 23xx trick?
>4) Set the bow up using the 23xx trick and guess what the longrod points
>three inches to one side!
Ed DeBee
http://www.io.com/~edebee
murray_elliot
mega-busy!
<snip>
>Like I said I wouldn't recommend the Avalon not even the plus but I don't
>like the Zone either...... Today I'd go with the Elan, or the Sky or
>something strange an European ;o)
<snip>
You mean like a Bernadini riser with Border XP10 limbs...?
Reason I mention it is that we've got a guy at the club raving about
this setup. He's getting it in a week or two so I'll be interested to
see how it performs. Pity he ordered it at the END of the outdoor
season though!
--
Murray.
STILL shooting p.b.s with my lowly Stylist
:o) :o) :o)
Donna Fay
being the bow that Rod White shot in Stone Mountain Georgia in 1996, it
is a light, well-built recurve.I at first had a hard time adjusting to
the grip,because it was too big for my hand, I had it sanded down, and
it fits perfectly. PSE makes an excellent bow, and you don't pay as
much for the name, as you do with Hoyt. I have shot an Avalon, and don't
like it as much as my bow.
I hope this helps you.
Jessica
P.s If you need a stabilizer set-up,I have found that the Doinker
system is best for OLympic style bows.
Force10Ten
>I shoot a PSE Universal, which I have had for about a year. Aside from
<snip>
Rod White shot a custom made bow that looked like a Universal. However, it
ertainly was not a production Universal. It was milled from plate instead of
the compound bow extrusion from the LD 2000 that was used to make the
production Universal. Another difference is that it did not have the broadhead
cutout that was in the Universal extrusion.
You will probably find that the Universal has been discontinued as of this
model year.
Akibaben
While PSE is a well respected bow the New Zone had some shipping problems when
it first came out so check that the limbs and Riser are available before you
buy.
Also while Rod White did shoot a PSE he dosn't anymore.
MCKRICKLEE
<<While PSE is a well respected bow...>>
I have been reading every one's comments with interest. I find it rather
amusing that people think the bow makes the archer or so it appears that is the
message being sent. If you look at what the top archer is shooting you have to
take into consideration that they usually get it for free and many either get
paid a monthly fee or they get bonus money for winning certain tournaments.
Most recurve bows that are available are excellent products and will shoot far
better than the archer. The top archer knows this so they go to the highest
bidder. I have seen world titles won by Yamaha, Hoyt, Green Horn, Win & Win
(Korean company with an excellent bow and better price than the rest!). I have
seen the Stylist, PSE, Sky bows and many others shot exceptionally well. You
have to go with a bow you like, can afford and have faith in the company who is
building the product.
Marty Sasaki
: While PSE is a well respected bow the New Zone had some shipping
: problems when it first came out so check that the limbs and Riser
: are available before you buy.
I had a very hard time getting my Zone. PSE must have taken a product
management course from Microsoft, they announced the bow before they
had any real plans for it. In the 1997 Catalog you only saw a front on
photograph of what was probably the prototype that Rod White was
shooting. From what I hear, PSE was taking orders in October of 1996
and didn't deliver any quantity until April 1997.
I ordered mine in late February (I think), and received it in May.
It's not so hard to buy one these days. One of the local shops, which
really caters to hunters and 3d has a Zone, and a Universal handing on
the wall. I ordered a new set of limbs and they arrived in 4 days.
Unfortunately the price is now $100 more than when I got my Zone.
I've heard third hand stories about problems with Zone's cracking, but
I haven't seen or heard of a Zone breaking locally. On the other hand
I've witnessed the arrival of 3 free cracks in Avalon's.
: Also while Rod White did shoot a PSE he dosn't anymore.
The bow that Rod White shot in Atlanta wasn't really a Universal. It
didn't have the compound-like centershot bump, and the geometry was a
little different. It had the holes in the same places as a Universal
though. Rod pointed out the differences in a seminar that he did
locally.
Marty
Bruce Arnold
As for the Universal being a good bow, I certainly think it is a very
well-made, and probably very underrated bow (IMHO it sure doesn't look that
great though). However, this being subjective, there has to be a REASON
you liked it better than your Avalon, that information may be more useful to
a person looking at a bow rather than, "I think X is better than Y" - what
brought you to that conclusion. If the answer is, "I dunno, I just liked it
more" then you answer is basically completely subjective.
As for the stabilizer setup, this issue is even more subjective than bow
choice IMHO! Actually, I like my PB/Doinker stabilizers, but that doesn't
mean they work 'the best'. In fact, I haven't really seen them that
widespread except here in The States and I know |people in other
countries/people without the Doinker| system do very well.
Bruce
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>Donna Fay wrote in message
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>I shoot a PSE Universal, which I have had for about a year. Aside from
JMcmurchie
Well said Rick.
Many different bows have performed well. And if technology makes scores, why
does the GM still hold records.
At the Worlds, Dave Mann asked how many point I would atribute to technology
since he "retired".
My answer was a 1270 shooter in the early 80's is probably a 1300 shooter now.
Mostly due to lighter arrows and more ocnsistant materials.
You mentioned win & win. All I've seen is a brieif ad. Can you expand on
their product?
Thanks,
Jim
MCKRICKLEE
>Well said Rick.
>Many different bows have performed well. And if technology makes scores, why
Hi Jim,
Yes, the GM was an excellent bow and still is. However, I would suspect that
the reason that it set and held so many records was due to it's longevity. It
was the top line bow of Hoyt's for about 13 years. There were many reasons for
this, but suffice it to say, the company found that if they make new bows every
year or every other year people will buy them!
The Win & Win bow is built by Park, Kyung-Rae of Korea. He was the coach who
developed the Korean system in the mid-eighties when they started their
domination. He builds what is considered an intermediate level bow, but I
suspect that there will be an upgrade on that title soon! The riser is
machined forged and the limbs are your basic Earl Hoyt designed limbs. PSE
uses the limbs now in their recurve line and have had very good results with
them. So Win & Win is a company to look out for. After all, you are dealing
with a man who knows Olympic style archery better than most other developers of
this type of bow.
By the way, I tend to agree with you about the 1270 shooter increasing their
scores up to a 1300. Using lighter arrows gave most archers a chance to
perform better with less poundage bows, thus better control on the shot. Not
many people can hold 50 pounds and shoot consistent 1300+ scores.
Rick
JMcmurchie
If I can open a new topic, you have usually shot a long (25") riser. I have
had excellent results with a 23". Especially in Yamaha's. Any input on the
pro's and con's assuming you end up with a 68" total length?
You're right about W&W's pricing. Selecting a riser has something to do witht
he question above.
Jim
Akibaben
I would be carefull with a 23" riser.In theory you will get more action from
the limbs being longer to make up the 68" uverall length but be care full.Your
sight picture is decreased by the shorter riser I would guess about 1".If that
is the case make sure if you plan to shoot 18 meteres indoor shoots that you
can get your sight to a place where you can see it past the riser.
John Brooks
MCKRICKLEE
<< you have usually shot a long (25") riser. I have
had excellent results with a 23". Especially in Yamaha's. Any input on the
pro's and con's assuming >>
Jim,
I tried shooting the 23" riser and I lost the consistency I had with a 25". I
do not understand this since the limbs would seem to be more stable with a
short riser and longer limbs. I know that Jay Barrs uses a 23" riser here
lately and his scores are not like they used to be. I am not sure if that is
because of his lack of practice or the size riser. I tend to believe that if
you are past 29 inches in draw, stick to the 25 inch riser (IMHO).
Rick
Danny Kaye
> Rick
I'm not sure you are entitled to a humble opinion rick :)
danny
email d...@maths.ntu.ac.uk
www http://euler.ntu.ac.uk/dk/dk.html
Sol C. Young
looking for, and will be looking for a PSE Zone...
Thanks again,
Sol Young
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