Clout Sights
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Does anybody have a design for a periscope sight for clout shooting?
I have been using pins and a ground sight and it is not as accurate as I
would like.
Help is urgently needed!!!!!
Thanks
William Pearson
Is it just me or is this some ki9nd of joke??? No idea what the hell you
are talking about..
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Dave Mundt
Vincible Overlord.
Firstly, this is not a joke...clout shooting is a form of archery
wherein the target ring is laid on the ground, at about 100 yards or
more, and, the arrows shot up into the air at a steep angle. The idea
is to drop the shaft in the circle as close to the center as possible.
This used to be a very valuable skill when presented with an oncoming
shield wall with many warriors behind it. Now, it is naught but
sport, and, mainly practiced in the Society for Creative Anachronism.
Secondly, for Hamer...sorry, as far as I know, there IS no such
thing as a periscope sight for the sport. I think that it would not
be terribly useful anyway, because the great flight time of the shaft
would allow too many variables to influence its flight.
There is still no "royal road" to clout shooting. All you can do
is go out, shoot (a lot) and develop the internal database that will
allow you to accurately drop the shaft near where you want it.
Regards
Dave Mundt
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Cathy Spencer
> > --------------------------------------
> > Does anybody have a design for a periscope sight for clout shooting?
> >
> > I have been using pins and a ground sight and it is not as accurate as I
> > would like.
> >
> > Help is urgently needed!!!!!
Clout shooting is a form of Archery, just as Field archery and Indoor
shooting are. The distances range from about 100m to 185m, depending on
your bow type and archer category age/gender. The target is a 10m ring
on the ground, marked with a 'clout' (white triangle) and coloured
flags.
I dont know of any plans for a periscope mount sight, but know that some
people have made them in our area.. Of the archers in my club, many have
had frustrating problems with prism or mirror sights. They are difficult
to fix securely to the bow, due to the shock and vibration of shooting.
It is possible, but care must be taken, and its another thing to go
wrong.
I shoot a 31 pound recurve, with a ground sight, and shoot better than
all but one of the archers in the club at clout. (and these guys are
shooting compounds, with Master bowman scores and higher)
The ground sight has two parts : a pin, taped to the bottom limb of the
bow, and a small peg, approx 6 inches high with a round flat disk, the
size of a 20c piece on the top, about 8 arrow lengths from where I
stand. At full draw, with the bow rasied at an angle (bending from the
waist, not the arm) I place the pin over the top of the disk of the
ground peg. (without moving the head, just dropping the eyes). When the
pin matches where the top of the head of the peg is, I know that
elevation and windage is correct. Then the shot continues with the eyes
straight ahead, with a normal release.
So I would recommend using a ground sight, unless you are shooting
really top notch clout scores. (ie first class or better) But thats just
my 2c!
I would be happy to hear from other Archer's methods for shooting clout.
:-)
Cheers,
Cathy Spencer
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(darn!) my method seems to work for me, and this year I shared my
technique with some fellow archers who then promptly beat me.
I shoot a 32 lb recurve and use a segmented ring on my index finger to
aim at the flag. The segmentation is important for windage. I have had
success in aiming using the segments and then adjusting elevation using
the flag.
Best of all, this is the funnest type of shoot I do. Can't wait until
NAA Nationals next year to do it again.
William Pearson
Dave Mundt wrote:
>
> Greetings and Salutations from the Dweller In the Citystate of the
> Vincible Overlord.
> Firstly, this is not a joke...clout shooting is a form of archery
> wherein the target ring is laid on the ground, at about 100 yards or
> more, and, the arrows shot up into the air at a steep angle. The idea
> is to drop the shaft in the circle as close to the center as possible.
Yes I have NOW been reminded and fairly slapped about the head and
shoulders of my mistake. As one living in the COLONIES, we here do not
indulge in clouts (although we know many) ;-) When in Canada, I did
partake of this unusual and fun sport. I had forgotten..Guess it was a
SENIOR moment..
> This used to be a very valuable skill when presented with an oncoming
> shield wall with many warriors behind it. Now, it is naught but
> sport, and, mainly practiced in the Society for Creative Anachronism.
Still all in all great sport I would imagine. I also remember a thing
called the YORK round (I think) That also was fun at the time. Here in
California we shoot mostly NAA and NFAA type tournaments Of course now
there is a craze involving the 3-D targets all of UNMARKED distances. I
think the DEALERS thought this one up because, unless you can judge
distance, you will surely lose arrows in the under brush. Terrible NON
sport IMHO!
> Secondly, for Hamer...sorry, as far as I know, there IS no such
> thing as a periscope sight for the sport. I think that it would not
> be terribly useful anyway, because the great flight time of the shaft
> would allow too many variables to influence its flight.
Sounds like something to invent though.
Shoot'em straight and I am sorry about my ignorance. ;-)
Dave Mundt
Vincible Overlord!
THe great thing about the Net is that it allows me to continually
expand my knowledge base! I KNEW that there had to be someone out
there with the info we needed.
Alas, however, while it sounds like a great little thing, I have a
strong feeling that it is NOT a commercially produced item... I kind
of got the impression from the original post that the question was if
there was a commercialy available sight...
Thanks for the info though!
Regards
Dave Mundt
Cathy Spencer <cspe...@technologist.com> wrote:
>Hi guys,
>
><snip>
>> Secondly, for Hamer...sorry, as far as I know, there IS no such
>> thing as a periscope sight for the sport.
>
>Sorry Dave, but I have a mirror sight for clout. Its about 2 inches
>high, and 1.5 inches square. Two mirrors are set up to form a
>mini-periscope. You can adjust the angle of the mirrors vertically and
>horizontally to get range and windage sorted out.
>
>I have it second hand - it was built by another Archer way in the past.
>I have not shot clout with it yet, as there are difficulties with
>locking it tightly to the bow sight (all my threads are different types
>to it) So I cant say how well it works. It gives a much better picture
>than a prism sight, in all kinds of sky colour / light conditions.
>(everyone else here shoots ground markers or prism sights)
>
>As I said in an earlier post, ground markers are , Just recently a
>compound archers shot a Master Bowman rating (185m) by lining up the
>point where the limb enters the riser, with a ground marker.
>
>It looks a bit fiddly to make, but possible. If anyone is interested, I
>will have a go at describing it - maybe even a picture..
>
>Cathy Spencer
>
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>Remove the 's' at the end of technologists
>
>"Trust BUT Verify"
>
>"There are THREE sides to every story, yours mine AND the facts."
Remove the mapson. from the email address to get to me...
Kevin Ferguson
I suppose it depends which rules you are shooting to.
GNAS rule (102 a, iv, 1) states:
"A bowsight.......<snipped bits about windage etc>.... it shall *not*
incorporate a prism or lens or other magnifying device, levelling or
electric device nor shall it provide for more than one sight point"
This rule is, I guess, for recurves only.
Keep it in the custard.
Kevin
Cathy Spencer
arc...@otm-net.com
info on where to get them from?
Thanks,
Peter Gussie
Midwest Cimmarron Archery
Kevin Ferguson wrote:
> Cathy,
>
> I suppose it depends which rules you are shooting to.
>
> GNAS rule (102 a, iv, 1) states:
>
> "A bowsight.......<snipped bits about windage etc>.... it shall *not*
> incorporate a prism or lens or other magnifying device, levelling or
> electric device nor shall it provide for more than one sight point"
>
> This rule is, I guess, for recurves only.
>
> Keep it in the custard.
>
> Kevin
>
> Cathy Spencer wrote:
>
arc...@otm-net.com
Peter Gussie
Midwest Cimmarron Archery
Cathy Spencer wrote:
Cathy Spencer
> I suppose it depends which rules you are shooting to.
>
> GNAS rule (102 a, iv, 1) states:
>
> "A bowsight.......<snipped bits about windage etc>.... it shall *not*
> incorporate a prism or lens or other magnifying device, levelling or
> electric device nor shall it provide for more than one sight point"
I dont dispute your rules - but do you think a mirror sight would still
be allowed?
It is not a prism, or lens or magnifying device, nor is it electronic or
leveling. (just a couple of mirrors)
The intent of the rule probably precludes it though.
Cathy
Cathy Spencer
> Alas, however, while it sounds like a great little thing, I have a
> strong feeling that it is NOT a commercially produced item... I kind
> of got the impression from the original post that the question was if
> there was a commercialy available sight...
True! I havent seen any commercial ones.
I think the original post was someone looking for info/plans to make
one.
code...@gmail.com
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> Does anybody have a design for a periscope sight for clout shooting?
>
> I have been using pins and a ground sight and it is not as accurate as I
> would like.
>
> Help is urgently needed!!!!!
>
hi i make a clout sight for this please p m me for info
Jim Breckenridge
years old
code...@gmail.com
Jim Breckenridge
recurves and a longbow
lia...@gmail.com
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> Does anybody have a design for a periscope sight for clout shooting?
>
> I have been using pins and a ground sight and it is not as accurate as I
> would like.
>
> Help is urgently needed!!!!!
>
> Thanks
Go to theperisight.com and contact them to see when it will be available.
lia...@gmail.com
> Greetings and Salutations from the Dweller In the Citystate of the
> Firstly, this is not a joke...clout shooting is a form of archery
> wherein the target ring is laid on the ground, at about 100 yards or
> more, and, the arrows shot up into the air at a steep angle. The idea
> is to drop the shaft in the circle as close to the center as possible.
> shield wall with many warriors behind it. Now, it is naught but
> sport, and, mainly practiced in the Society for Creative Anachronism.
> be terribly useful anyway, because the great flight time of the shaft
> would allow too many variables to influence its flight.
> is go out, shoot (a lot) and develop the internal database that will
> allow you to accurately drop the shaft near where you want it.
> Regards
> Dave Mundt
>
>
> William Pearson <buff...@jps.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> --------------------------------------
> >> Does anybody have a design for a periscope sight for clout shooting?
> >>
> >> I have been using pins and a ground sight and it is not as accurate as I
> >> would like.
> >>
> >> Help is urgently needed!!!!!
> >
> >are talking about..
> >
> >--
> > S&B Enterprises Sunland,CA. 91040
> >
> > E-mail:buff...@jps.net Chat:ICQ:7349522
> >'..the MOUNTAINS are calling and I must go! <John Muir>
>
> I hate Cullers who gather from newsgroups
>
> Visit my home page at http://www.esper.com/xvart/index.html
lia...@gmail.com
> Greetings and Saluations from the Dweller In the Citystate of the
> THe great thing about the Net is that it allows me to continually
> expand my knowledge base! I KNEW that there had to be someone out
> there with the info we needed.
> strong feeling that it is NOT a commercially produced item... I kind
> of got the impression from the original post that the question was if
> there was a commercialy available sight...
> Regards
> Dave Mundt
>
> Cathy Spencer <cspe...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi guys,
> >
> ><snip>
> >> thing as a periscope sight for the sport.
> >
> >high, and 1.5 inches square. Two mirrors are set up to form a
> >mini-periscope. You can adjust the angle of the mirrors vertically and
> >horizontally to get range and windage sorted out.
> >
> >I have it second hand - it was built by another Archer way in the past.
> >I have not shot clout with it yet, as there are difficulties with
> >locking it tightly to the bow sight (all my threads are different types
> >to it) So I cant say how well it works. It gives a much better picture
> >than a prism sight, in all kinds of sky colour / light conditions.
> >(everyone else here shoots ground markers or prism sights)
> >
> >As I said in an earlier post, ground markers are , Just recently a
> >compound archers shot a Master Bowman rating (185m) by lining up the
> >point where the limb enters the riser, with a ground marker.
> >
> >It looks a bit fiddly to make, but possible. If anyone is interested, I
> >will have a go at describing it - maybe even a picture..
> >
> >Cathy Spencer
> >
> >Email:cspe...@technologists.com
> >Remove the 's' at the end of technologists
> >
> >"Trust BUT Verify"
> >
> >"There are THREE sides to every story, yours mine AND the facts."
>
lia...@gmail.com
> Kevin,
>
> > I suppose it depends which rules you are shooting to.
> >
> > GNAS rule (102 a, iv, 1) states:
> >
> > "A bowsight.......<snipped bits about windage etc>.... it shall *not*
> > incorporate a prism or lens or other magnifying device, levelling or
> > electric device nor shall it provide for more than one sight point"
> I dont dispute your rules - but do you think a mirror sight would still
> be allowed?
>
> It is not a prism, or lens or magnifying device, nor is it electronic or
> leveling. (just a couple of mirrors)
>
> The intent of the rule probably precludes it though.
>
> Cathy
>
> Email:cspe...@technologists.com
> Remove the 's' at the end of technologists
>
> "Trust BUT Verify"
>
> "There are THREE sides to every story, yours mine AND the facts."
lia...@gmail.com
> > Alas, however, while it sounds like a great little thing, I have a
> > strong feeling that it is NOT a commercially produced item... I kind
> > of got the impression from the original post that the question was if
> > there was a commercialy available sight...
>
> I think the original post was someone looking for info/plans to make
> one.
>
tidman...@gmail.com
up for a year or so let me know and i will post some photos
Jez McKinley
> hi all if any one is still intrested in clout sights i have been makeing some
> up for a year or so let me know and i will post some photos
Also would like to know if you have any knowledge of whether they conform to the rules for recurve clout, specifically for UK shoots?