New Hoyt Recurve AeroTec

[MarkS]

Hi all,
Anyone out in Archery land tried the new Hoyt AeroTec recurve riser? I'm
looking for a new riser in time for the outdoor 'season' and was going to go
for an Avalon Plus, but I had a quick twang with the aerotec down the shop
and it was certainly nice to shoot so now I'm torn. What I am mainly after
is any horror stories, is the thing going to snap in two during the first
end? Is it just overpriced gimmicky rubbish?
Your comments would be appreciated.
Mark

P.S. More importantly, if I get either riser in the 'Flame' design, will
everyone laugh at me?

[A.Ron Carmichael]

Hey, Mark - Lindsey (my daughter) has a flame AT.

NO ONE laughs, but a lot of archers come up and like to look and hold. I don't
know of a single negative comment from anyone checking it out, but then we have
a well-mannered bunch of archers at our tournaments... :)

She shot for nearly 3 years with a Hoyt GM, which she really liked. She likes
the smoothness and feel of the AT even more. The SWMBO nearly killed me, of
course, when the price became known after the fact. (I firmly subscribe to the
"beg forgiveness rather than ask permission" when possible:)

Many people *cough*hate*cough* Hoyt, but I've never found a reason to be
disdainful of their products or people. I've found George Tekmitchov, for
example, to always have time to talk, esp. with Lindsey, to be considerate and
professional, and he is I think the primary designer of both the Axis and the
Aerotech.

It is not "gimicky" any more than a "compound" is, as far as I can
tell<RBG>.....From what I understand of the design, the shape and size is an
extension of engineering knowledge about balancing between things like weight,
strength, rigidity, durability, and manufacturing costs. Joe Tapley will have
to be the reference point on my suppositions here, though... JOE?????

One amusing anecdote or two: On October 13, a Saturday, the AT riser arrived
from Lancaster. On October 20 in the Aggie Invitational, using the AT Lindsey
shot her first JOAD Olympian, a 291 out of 300 at 18 meters using a 60cm JOAD
target. The chances are extremely good that she would have done so with her GM
as well, perhaps. There is no question but that she really likes it,
regardless.

Another point is that without realizing it (after the Aggie Indoor), I adjusted
the mounting screws in a few turns too many and boosted poundage from around 34
pounds to 36 pounds(at click). She just thought that she was just a mite weak
from having laid off shooting for a few weeks, but the bow was overall smooth
enough that she didn't suffer any serious effects from the jump and resumed
shooting normally. My bad<G>, but we are leaving the bow at 36....Come the
outdoors she'll be a little bit more firm at 70 meters as a result.

There are other manufacturers of good hardware, to be sure. Hoyt's Aerotech
seems to us to be pretty nice.....

A.Ron Carmichael

MarkS wrote:

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[MarkS]

Thanks Ron,
I have since had another 'go' with the AT riser and with the Avalon, and
have decided that the AT is the riser for me (and I think the Flame is about
the smartest colour scheme I have seen for a long while - just canvasing
opinions).
Cheers for the advice.
Mark.

Now I've just got decide what limbs to go for, hmm (oh, and decide how to
conceal the cost from the wife!)

[R. Jarett Kulm]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not the flame!!!

Owner of the range I shoot at has an AT in Flame.
That has got to be the most tacky bow design Ive ever seen.

Hoyt went color blind after they started making the radians.

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[A.Ron Carmichael]

let me know if you come up with a new angle for sliding one past the SWMBO - I'm
always looking for ways :)

MarkS wrote:

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[A.Ron Carmichael]

Jarett - you are proving to be just a little bit intolerant. not even gonna
include a <G> in your last?
ANd did you ever sell that lame Eolla you were looking to dump back in '98 ? <G>

(please note the <G>! this was just a grin, ok?)
remember, art is in the eye of the beholder, and there is no accounting for
taste (or lack thereof)
I personally think the flame is just fine. :)

Ron

"R. Jarett Kulm" wrote:

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[A.Ron Carmichael]

Jarrett - you remember what Patton said about "pearl" right? Something about new
orleans ummm, hospitality houses? <RBG>>.....

> Jarrett posted in his sig yet again:

>
> > + Custom Pearl Flake/Gold Flake paint job

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[R. Jarett Kulm]

Yes, I meant that last reply as a joke. Me, and the other recurve shooters
at my range give the guy alot of crap for getting it in flame. (And they
all are Hoyt Axis or AT shooters)

Yeah, yamaha has some lame colors... rainbow (nasty, worst color scheme
ever), and such. But they have gone the way of Hoyt in limiting it on their
new bows.

With Eolla's and previous Hoyt Gold Medalists, you could pick any color you
could dream of (and some colors that should have been left on the palette EG
Eolla rainbow and wine :P )

I think bow manufacturers should return to the past and offer variety.
Hence, why I had my bow painted.

But seriously... flame? :)

Nope, never got rid of my Eolla in '98, even though my ex-wife wanted me to.
(I Thank god I didnt...) Its the same bow Im shooting now.
Man, how the heck did you remember that? ;)

and I never use <g> notation.

Jarett

"A.Ron Carmichael" <a...@arcarmichael.com> wrote in message
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[R. Jarett Kulm]

Not a clue what you are talking about man... sorry.

But yes, I used Jaguar car paint on my bow (best UV protection and
durability of any paint Ive found)
The only thing they had that was near white was an Ivory pearl.

Jarett

PS. And... I certainly wish people here would sig their equipment. Get to
see what people are shooting.

"A.Ron Carmichael" <a...@arcarmichael.com> wrote in message

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[R. Jarett Kulm]

Axis and AeroTek tiller/brace question.

For some reason, (I think they are crazy for asking a yamaha shooter), other
recurve shooters at my range come to me for tuning tips and help for their
setup. Honesty upfront, I dont have a clue about Tiller height/delta or
limb sheering on the new AeroTek or older axis system.

I mean, Im an Eolla shooter, all we need to do is pop the limbs in and
blindly assume they are straight and ready once we hear them click on the
first shot. Twist the tiller adjustment bolts only if you pop in a new
poundage shim. ;P

My biggest question is- what do you all have as your brace height, upper
and lower tiller?

On the axis, there looks to be a HUGE difference in where the bottom limb is
positions in relation to the top. The # of turns out of adjustment is
different to get it to 0 tiller height.

Jarett
sig not attached, you all make fun of it =(

"MarkS" <ma...@sumner77.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message

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[Ian]

>

Have you seen the Spigarelli colours? My wife has one called "Flash" and
regularly has comments about pavement pizzas

http://www.altservices.co.uk/spigexp.htm

[Sven T. Reichelt 'Home']

On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 04:03:20 GMT, "R. Jarett Kulm"
<jaret...@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote:

>and I never use <g> notation.

But I would please you, to do it anyway.
Please remember, here are people whose motherlanguage is
even not english.

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Sven

[MarkS]

Hey the Flame's not that bad - a friend of mine has a Spigarelli VBS in
"Jeans", hmmm. Anyway, AT purchase in trouble after I foolishly left the
catalogue and price list out and the wife found them. She was 'mildly
surprised' at the price of the AT ("all that for a thing that just fires
arrows"), especially when she noticed that the price was just for the
"handle". Therfore, I may end up with an Avalon (the price of which seems
to be dropping daily) and a new Tumble Dryer. Doh.
Mark.

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[Perry Ruebay]

Or you could always remind her that it's cheaper in the long run to
buy Top of the Line and save upgrading later. "Wink, Wink, nudge,
nudge, know what I mean, know what I mean."
While we're on the subject of the Avalon. Does anyone know for
certain whether the current models have been changed to correct the
limb mount cracking problem. I'm interested in it as I think it is
the most attactive riser in the Hoyt line-up. Any input appreciated.
-Mark
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:36:48 -0000, "MarkS" <ma...@sumner77.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

[A.Ron Carmichael]

quick, tell her that is LAST YEARS catalogue.....

MarkS wrote:

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[bownut]

Jarett,

I know your a yammy shooter but I try not to hold that against you (difficult at times).  As you know, there isn't anyone else at the shop that I can go to (I guess I could ask Amanda) and you know asking Mike, Ryan, Ray, or others would be a waste of time (remember 0 tiller is watever you get after all the limb bolts are  bottomed out!?!?!?!).  I go to you because, inspite of  your bow, you do have more knowledge about the sport and equipment than I do and some of my questions are geared towards either getting another oppinion or to see if my understanding is similar to yours.  By the way, my shooting went to hell again and I only shot a 256.

Terry Laney

[bownut]

As much as I hate to say it.  I kind of agree with Jarett.  I have owned 2 Avalons, 2 Avalon +, 4 Axis, and 1 Aerotec.  Although I think the flame concept is fine.  What I don't like about it is the way it looks like Hoyt ran out of paint with the flame.  The color just isn't as vibrant as I would like to see.

Terry Laney

R. Jarett Kulm wrote:

[shadyshark]

I think it was the original Avalon which had cracking problems. I've
never heard of any with the current model (the Avalon plus).

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[shadyshark]

"0 tiller is whatever you get after all the limb bolts are bottomed out".
Ouch!

bownut <bow...@concentric.net> wrote in message news:<3C37E550...@concentric.net>...

> >"MarkS" <ma...@sumner77.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message

> >news:a0tce1$fmb$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> >>Hi all,
> >>Anyone out in Archery land tried the new Hoyt AeroTec recurve riser? I'm
> >>looking for a new riser in time for the outdoor 'season' and was going to
> >>
> >go
> >
> >>for an Avalon Plus, but I had a quick twang with the aerotec down the shop
> >>and it was certainly nice to shoot so now I'm torn. What I am mainly
> >>
> >after
> >
> >>is any horror stories, is the thing going to snap in two during the first
> >>end? Is it just overpriced gimmicky rubbish?
> >>Your comments would be appreciated.
> >>Mark
> >>
> >>P.S. More importantly, if I get either riser in the 'Flame' design, will
> >>everyone laugh at me?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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[Miika Aulio]

> "0 tiller is whatever you get after all the limb bolts are bottomed
out".
> Ouch!

In theory, yes, if the limbs are identical.

MA

[Ian]

Except that some bowyers include an inbuilt tiller

[Terry Laney]

OK folks,

I'm not saying bottoming the bolts is zero tiller.  I was talking to someone at the local range about my Axis riser and how the tiller was about 1.5" when both limb bolts were positioned the same.  He tried to tell me that zero tiller was when both limb bolts were bottomed out.  I new this was wrong.  My only reason for mentioning it was because Jarrette K. was questioning why I would ask him about tiller on an Axis when he shoots a Yamaha.  I then said I could talk to others at the shop but remember that descripition about zero tiller.  

[Miika Aulio]

>I'm not saying bottoming the bolts is zero tiller. I was talking to
someone at the local range >about my Axis riser and how the tiller was
about 1.5" when both limb bolts were positioned the >same.

Are you sure your limbs are okay?

Miika

[Terry Laney]

I really wouldn't know how to tell if they weren't.  I layed them on a table side by side to see if there weren't any obvious differences and they looked the same. I then checked the limbs for flaws and couldn't see any.  I'm using FX limbs.

[Miika Aulio]

>I really wouldn't know how to tell if they weren't. I layed them on a
table side by side to see if >there weren't any obvious differences and
they looked the same. I then checked the limbs for >flaws and couldn't
see any. I'm using FX limbs.

What if you switch bottom limb to top limb? Tiller shouldn't change if
the limbs are ok.

M

[A.Ron Carmichael]

ummm.....are you sure?

TexARC in Minneapolis

Miika Aulio wrote:

> What if you switch bottom limb to top limb? Tiller shouldn't change if
> the limbs are ok.

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[Miika Aulio]

> ummm.....are you sure?

If the limbs don't have a built-in tiller, then yes.

Miika

[shadyshark]

In theory, yes.
To give two examples:
Hoyt make their limbs in pairs from the same block of material (I
believe) to get as close a match as possible between top and bottom
limb. W&W mass produce limbs in singles, then match them up
afterwards. With both these methods you *should* end up with at most
minor differences between the limbs... which ought to make them more
or less interchangeable.
Of course this assumes that differences haven't been worked into the
limbs by normal shooting or mishandling (or been cocked up by the
dealer!).

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[A.Ron Carmichael]

I understood that the upper and lower limbs are not identical.

Miika Aulio wrote:

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[Miika Aulio]

> I understood that the upper and lower limbs are not identical.

They should be. Why wouldn't the'y?

M

[Jmcmurchi2]

I think Miika is correct. before wieght and tiller adjustable bows, the limb
thickness or width had to be varied to generate tiller. This was time
consuming and needed a skilled craftsman.

Since adjustment was built into the riser, the limbs can be matched.

I know George will correct me if I am mistaken.

Jim

[A.Ron Carmichael]

Ever had a take down bow where the limbs were interchangeable?

Miika Aulio wrote:

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[Miika Aulio]

> Of course this assumes that differences haven't been worked into the
> limbs by normal shooting or mishandling (or been cocked up by the
> dealer!).

Yup, that's why it's a good (fast, atleast) way to see if the limbs are ok.

MA

[Miika Aulio]

> Ever had a take down bow where the limbs were interchangeable?

Limited language skills, sorry. Are you asking if my limbs are identical?
Yes, more or less.

Miika

[Hoo Doo Witch]

"Perry Ruebay" <car...@cs.net> wrote in message
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> Does anyone know for
> certain whether the current models have been changed to correct the
> limb mount cracking problem.

I was speaking with an experienced archer at our club on Sunday and he said
that on the Avalon plus (I was considering a sexy looking bronze model)
they'd sorted this problem out.

HooDooWitch