Heavy Risers or Light Risers ?

[Ivano99]

G'day All,
Just wanted to ask for opinions on riser weight. Does a heavier riser
provide better balance and more vibration absorbtion or does the extra
weight affect your shot more due to earlier muscle fatigue ?

Thanks, Ivan.

[R. Jarett Kulm]

This question will get a HUGE amount of response with all sorts of
OPINIONS... None of it will be real fact.
Those with personal ties to certain heavy bows *cough*hoyt*cough* will try
to give fudged marketing #s as 'proof' to opinions.

My opinion:
Shoot what makes you comfortable. The vibration absorbtion is more in the
stabilizers and the riser material than the riser weight. More absorbtion
means slower speeds. I tend to think the later, with me shooting a friends
Axis I get worn out quickly sine it feels like Hoyt put no thought
what-so-ever into the shooter or the comfort, and just wanted a new looking
product.

If you can lift and shoot 3-4 pounds of center weight, with way more extra
weight added up front than you would need on a lighter riser to move
front-of-center, do it.

If heavy risers are better... why is Hoyt now maning their new signature
recurve (AeroTek) so much lighter?

Once again, this is all personal preference... long live LIGHT Yamaha
Eollas!

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[Fred A. Miller]

Ivano99 wrote:

You'll get a lot more response than you may want. :) IMHO, carbon
risers are best, because they are extremely light as well as being even
stronger than aluminum. There are a number of things you can do to
reduce vibration. I've carried my High Country Carbon Force Extreme all
day, walking a number of miles, and DIDN'T get tired carrying the bow.
If the bow had an aluminum riser, I'd HAVE to use a bow sling.

Fred

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[R. Jarett Kulm]

Who else is making carbon risers?

I haven't seen any on the market (recurve) This is mainly to the fact that
Im flat broke and havent been bow shopping, but I would be interested in
scoping out just how companies are designing them for compound or recurve.

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* Yamaha Eolla
+ 66" 38# Carbon Limbs
+ Custom Pearl Flake/Gold Flake paint job
+ Shibuya Carbon 28" center stabilizer.
- Beiter V-bar & Doinker ends
- Easton ACE Short Bar on top riser hole
- Doinker & Weight on bottom riser hole
+ Shibuya Dual-mount click sight
- Beiter Sight Tunnel & #2 insert
+ Shibuya Plunger
+ Asahi ASE 'Free Tune' AFT-2 Magnetic Rest
+ Cavalier Finger Tab w/ custom deer hide padding
+ Easton Arrows & burgundy leather quiver
- INDOOR Easton X7 1814 @ 27" w/ 3" Feather
- OUTDOOR Easton ACE 720 27.5" w/ 1.75 Yellow Spinwing (I killed my last

dozen when I moved =( noooo!)

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[Seth Spraggins]

Carbofast makes 2-3 different handles in carbon w/ hoyt fitting pockets. KG
also makes a handle.

[Archeryking]

Most of the info about vibration dampening is pretty much a bunch of hooey.
There are differences in that but the limbs and the accessories that you use
play a better part in the amount of vibration that you feel than anything.

Both heavy and light risers have good and bad points to them. A light riser
is easy to hold but some shooters will find that the lightness makes them
move around alot. The heavy risers take more muscle to hold steady but they
will "sit" better on the target. That is of course assuming that you have
the muscles built up to hold the riser up. If you don't then you will jerk
around and fight gravity during your entire shot and you will not have a
very good shot. A light riser will tend to have more jump out of your hand
when you shoot where as the weight of the heavy riser keeps it from doing as
much.
If you are a beginner I would not reccomend buying a heavy riser. Most
beginners don't have the proper muscles built up to be able to shoot heavy
risers effectively. Then what happens is they develope the bad habbit of
dropping their bow arm when they shoot. Not a good thing. Ifyouwould find
that more mass weight is how you like to shoot then it isn't that hard to
add mass to a riser with stabalizers stragically placed. It is however very
difficult and probably dangerous to think about taking mass out of a riser.
Although I do feel that it is better for a beginner to start with a light
riser in order to develope good form my personal prefrence is a heavy riser
because to me it feels more stable. And if you want to talk about a heavy
bow I am shooting a Hoyt Axis with about 3 ounces on each vbar plus I have
12" rods and the longrod with another 2or so ounces.

Archeryking

[A.Ron Carmichael]

Archeryking wrote:

> (lots of somewhat useful stuff here deleted)...."... if you want to talk about

> a heavy
> bow I am shooting a Hoyt Axis with about 3 ounces on each vbar plus I have
> 12" rods and the longrod with another 2 or so ounces."

YEAH, but you are an Aggie. Don't forget about the weight of the wingnut behind
the bow !

<G>

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[R. Jarett Kulm]

You want to see heavy... a guy I shoot with uses an Axis, 12" doinker side
rods with ~6oz (3 weights) on each side.
Full length beiter centralizer (I think its 32 or 36") with 2 weights
(~4oz), & the 4inch extender.
A 6oz front bottom weight on a doinker, and a rear weight (I dont know exact
weight, I think its like 4-5 oz)
He also has a fat heavy sure-lok sight weighting down one side.

His bow is like upwards of of about 5-6 pounds. I switch from my Yamaha to
that as an exercise, though I can only do a few shots off it before I get a
sore bow shoulder. I just do not like how it feels. I think the AeroTeks
are very heavy, but more of in their weight distribution over mass weight of
the bow.

Insane I tell you... only way I would shoot a hoyt is if someone gave me
one for free ;)

Long Live Yamaha Eolla!

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* Yamaha Eolla
+ 66" 38# Carbon Limbs
+ Custom Pearl Flake/Gold Flake paint job
+ Shibuya Carbon 28" center stabilizer.
- Beiter V-bar & Doinker ends
- Easton ACE Short Bar on top riser hole
- Doinker & Weight on bottom riser hole
+ Shibuya Dual-mount click sight
- Beiter Sight Tunnel & #2 insert
+ Shibuya Plunger
+ Asahi ASE 'Free Tune' AFT-2 Magnetic Rest
+ Cavalier Finger Tab w/ custom deer hide padding
+ Easton Arrows & burgundy leather quiver
- INDOOR Easton X7 1814 @ 27" w/ 3" Feather
- OUTDOOR Easton ACE 720 27.5" w/ 1.75 Yellow Spinwing (I killed my last
dozen when I moved =( noooo!)

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[gary szunyogh]

I just finished building 41", 12oz (boy I hate the english measurements),
with 1/4" fiberglass tubes & alum. blocks. Why, because I had the parts
laying around. I might cut the rods to 36". This is on a pse Intrepid.

I'm new to archery & find it easier to experiment rather than to lay down
$200. I will be adding v-rods, same design. I see what you mean about
muscle.

[Archeryking]

Yes the nut holding the bow is quite heavy. I have found that With my bit
of height I am more stable with the heavy weight there too. You may have to
try it. I have found that it is very easy to add weight to the nut but much
more difficult to remove it.
Hope to see you shooting soon. I also am going to be glad to be out of the
frozen north when I am back at school.

Archeryking

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[Spotshooter65]

I have a tank. A Hoyt Pro-Tec.It's nice to have a little extra weight in the
wind.But by the end of the day, the shoulder is tired from carrying it all
day.Still, would take a heavy bow over a light bow. In my opinion, it's more
stable.

[A.Ron Carmichael]

It's kinda frozen down here right now, too. actual frost on things this mornin'
- maybe it'll kill some of the bugs...

I just shot a couple of days ago and just the usual old-fahrt aches and pains so
far - nock on wood....:)

[Force10Ten]

>I think the AeroTeks
>are very heavy, but more of in their weight distribution over mass weight of
>the bow.
>
>Insane I tell you... only way I would shoot a hoyt is if someone gave me
>one for free ;)

Well, let me say that is something you will never, ever have to worry about...
:) <bg>

[Jim Breckenridge]

It is absolutely a personal preference. I shoot target but with a
compound and my bow with stabilizers, vee bars, lead weight under the
limb bolts masses out at 11 pounds. It makes a field course a long day
but I prefer the larger mass weight.

[bownut]

I'm the guy and Jarett is partially correct.  I don't use a front bottom weight and my twins only have 2 weights.  The bow may be heavy to him and others, but it's fine with me.  I used to lift heavy weights before I got into Archery and I shot heavy compounds before I swithched to recurve.  I'm also a fat tub of lard (5'7" and 245 lbs) and since I have to move my butt around all day, the weight of my bow is nothing.  I tried a lightweight bow and didn't like the feel.  I tried his yammy bow and didn't like it either...too light.  Although his bow may still be lighter than mine, his bow has two beiter twins with weights, a long center rod with a small weight, a 12 inch top rod with weights, and the same type of doinker that I use as a back weight as his front bottom weight.  The only reason he doesn't use a back weight is he either doesn't have a hole to fill it with or his bow has a thread system that won't take anything we have in stock or in my bow parts case.  I can understand why Jarett doesn't like heavy bows, right now he still can't keep his bow arm from dropping after a shot.  I have no problem with mine.   I still can't hit the gold consistantly but it has nothing to do with the bows weight.

[Sven T. Reichelt 'Home']

On 06 Jan 2002 06:22:34 GMT, bownut <bow...@concentric.net> wrote:

> I'm also a fat tub of lard (5'7" and 245 lbs) and since I have
>to move my butt around all day, the weight of my bow is nothing. I
>tried a lightweight bow and didn't like the feel.

But that has nothing to do with YOUR weight. :-)))
I shoot a heavy compound also. One year ago, I decided to lose weight
and I went from 236 pounds to 183 pounds. ( I am 5'9 )
I didn't change my bow neither the bow weight nor the draw weight.
:-))

I suppose it is the same as with you, I like it how the bow feels.

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Sven

[Terry Laney]

I know my weight has nothing to do with my ease of handling my bow weight.  I just use that answer sometimes to explain to skinny folks why the bow weight doesn't bother me.  Some believe me but most archers don't.  I just prefer a heavier bow because of the way it feels at full draw.  I took all my gadgets off the bow once and it was really light but I hated the feel.  I suppose I could get used to it after time but I would have to have a pretty good reason to change.  I'm not the only one that shoots a heavy bow and there are a lot of Axis shooters that are way better than me, like that guy in Austrailia, that shoot a setup that is very similar to mine.  As usual, it's an individual preference.

[Sven T. Reichelt 'Home']

On 06 Jan 2002 18:54:39 GMT, Terry Laney <bow...@concentric.net>
wrote:

> I just prefer a heavier bow because of the way it feels at full
>draw

Thats it!

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Sven