martin longbows - comments wanted
Stephen Scott
I'm looking for a smooth shooting longbow for some
archery "skeet" shooting. Martin appears to have
the least expensive offerings of anyone I've seen.
Thus, any comments on any of martin's longbows would
be appreciated.
stephen.
Kingsire
MARTIN longbow are anything but SMOOTH shooting,,,,for almost the same
price try a FOX bow,,,,,,,,i shot one a few weeks ago and ordered
one,under $400...
Kingsire,,,,,,,,
P>S>...
TRY BUYING A USED BOW FIRST,,,YOU CAN GET GREAT BUYS TODAY DUE TO THE FACT
EVERYONE I KNOW ARE NEW BOWS LOOKING FOR THE ONE THATS GONNA MAKE THEM
SHOOT LIKE HOWARD HILL,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:)
Bill Rickvalsky
Stephen Scott <ssc...@rudolph.cs.utk.edu> wrote in article
<5hummn...@cs.utk.edu>...
I can only comment on one of their long bows and that one is the
Bushmaster. Unless they have come out with a new one lately it is their
only "deflex, reflex" model. I have been shooting mine for a little over a
year now and have been very happy with it. It has a nice smooth draw with
little or no hand shock. My draw length is 28 inches. This seems to work
out fine with the 64 inch overall length of the Bushmaster. If you have a
draw length much longer than that you might want to consider a slightly
longer bow. It shoots very quietly without anything in the way of string
silencers.
The bow seems to be well made and finished. I have found no obvious flaws
in the workmanship on mine. It comes with a bare handle but I added a
leather wrap to the grip. I also added a moleskin shelf and arrow plate to
mine as it came without anything there either.
Unless you have an overwhelming need/desire to have a bow custom made to
your specifications I don't think you can go wrong with one of Martin's
offerings. I also have one of their Hunter recurves and have been just as
happy with it.
In case you are interested in such things, my bow is 55# draw weight at 28
inches. I shoot a 600 grain wood arrow with it and it chronographs
consistently around 162 feet per second. My shafts are birch which is why
my arrows are so heavy. A lighter arrow and heavier bow should show a nice
improvement in arrow speed if you need it. Don't know what the speed is at
AMO specs, which I believe are 60# at 30".
I can't comment on any of the other long bows in the Martin line.
Bill Rickvalsky
George Ryals IV
Steven Scott And Bill Rickvalsky,
The Martin Bushmaster is a fine bow, and it is one of our best sellers.
Martin Archery Has recently brought out a new longbow. It is called the
Vision.
The vision Longbow is a highly reflex deflex design. It is like no
other longbow you have ever shot. We have blended the desireable
qualities of the longbow and the recurve together. This blend makes the
smootest and fastest longbow available. The grip section is a small
miniture version of a recurve grip. This special grip design helps you
get consistent hand placement every time while eliminating arm slap and
hand shock. The limb design has a wide sweeping curve that gives it the
recurve like smoothness and speed.
All Martin Traditional Bows as well as the Vision are available now
from the Martin Tradional Custom Shop with several custom options. The
draw weight can be measured at custom drawlengths and the bow can be
personalized with your name at no extra charge. Limb and riser woods can
be changed as well as grip sizes and shapes at a slight additional
charge.
Many traditional shooters are not aware of our custom traditional shop
or the New Vision Longbow. Give our custom bows a second look before you
make a decision on a new bow.
If you would like, E-mail me your snail mail address and I will send
you a brochure on the new Vision long bow.
George D. Ryals IV
Product Testing
Technical Dept.
Martin Archery
(509)529-2554
Terry Trier
In article <33445D...@bmi.net>, mt...@bmi.net says...
> If you would like, E-mail me your snail mail address and I will send
>you a brochure on the new Vision long bow.
>
>George D. Ryals IV
>Product Testing
>Technical Dept.
>Martin Archery
>(509)529-2554
Hi George,
Welcome back! Where have you been hiding? Are you working full time for
Martin now? Is it company policy you can wade into newsgroup controversies
(or create them)? :-)
Falcon
On 4 Apr 1997 18:13:42 GMT, tr...@pilot.msu.edu (Terry Trier) wrote:
>
>Hi George,
>
>Welcome back! Where have you been hiding? Are you working full time for
>Martin now? Is it company policy you can wade into newsgroup controversies
>(or create them)? :-)
>
If this is how you welcome someone back? I must remember not to leave.
At least George had the courtesy to submit information to the original
poster and not just flame.
Terry Trier
In article <33468876.554302@News>, fal...@birds.net says...
Flame?!! Why would I flame George when he sent me 3 of the best strings I
ever owned--and for free.
If you think I flamed George, I think you're wearing your shorts a little
too tight.
--
Terry M. Trier, Michigan State University, tr...@pilot.msu.edu
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George Ryals IV
Falcon wrote:
>
> On 4 Apr 1997 18:13:42 GMT, tr...@pilot.msu.edu (Terry Trier) wrote:
>
> >
> >Hi George,
> >
> >Welcome back! Where have you been hiding? Are you working full time for
> >Martin now? Is it company policy you can wade into newsgroup controversies
> >(or create them)? :-)
> >
>
> If this is how you welcome someone back? I must remember not to leave.
> At least George had the courtesy to submit information to the original
> poster and not just flame.
Falcon,
You may have misunderstood Terry's post. Terry and I exchanged messages
quite a bit about a year ago, and we are friendly with each other. I had
a history in the alt. archery group, posting articles on hot topics for
the sole purpose of generating in depth conversations. Some times there
were heated discussions, which terry and I enjoyed. Some people took
some of these toipics way too seriously and forgot that archery is just
a game.
I doubt that Terry's comments were meant as a flame. I took it as a
friendly jab. Thanks for the backup anyway. :)
George D. Ryals IV
Technical dept.
Product Testing
Martin Archery
Falcon
On Sun, 06 Apr 1997 13:08:14 -0700, George Ryals IV <mt...@bmi.net>
wrote:
George,
My apologies for the misunderstanding but I had no way of knowing the
relationship between you and Terry. I guess I was more than a little
perturbed initially for two reasons:
1.) I have long regarded Martin's traditional products as one of the
best and being a traditional only shooter I was a little disturbed at
Terry's post re. your reply,
But mostly
2.) We constantly see people requesting help in the groups and the
responses a lot of the time contain 'Troll Bait' or an attempt to
change the topic of the original poster.
As a traditional archer in an area without an archery shop dealing in
traditional supplies within 150+ miles, I become a bit over zealous
when I see a post to a traditional question that does not offer any
relevance to the original post.
All the best.
Falcon
John Kelly
> George D. Ryals IV
> Technical dept.
> Product Testing
> Martin Archery
George, a couple of questions:
1)I've got an ML-14. It's a good longbow: not nearly as fast or shock
free as bows I spent three or four times as much for(!), but it would be
fairly priced at a lot more (say $300). Unfortunately, mine had a VERY
slim, blade-like grip, which I fattened up to my liking. Is this grip
design normal for Martin? Wouldn't it be a LOT better bow for most
archers, with more conventional grip dimensions? Did I get something
unusual?
2)An Italian (sorry about name) apparently set some distance records
with two of your bows, a 70# ML-14 longbow and a Mamba recurve. Neither
of those bows seem especially hot off the shelf, in modern terms, but
again, they're excellent for the money. WERE they stock bows? Were
lessons learned by Martin, from his success? Could you provide a
rundown, on-line, on how he accomplished his records? What were the
arrows like?
3)Finally, how would you compare your new Vision bow to the ML-14 or,
say, a 21st Century longbow (your comments earlier made it sound like a
21st Century)?
I think it's wonderful that Martin's creating new bows and keeping on
with the classics, and offering bows priced well for entry level
traditional archers.
JK
Hal Geiger
On 2 Apr 1997 22:30:47 GMT, ssc...@rudolph.cs.utk.edu (Stephen Scott)
wrote:
I just got a Martin Bushmaster a couple of weeks ago. I was offered
a pretty good deal, and so I thought I would just keep it around as a
spare. It shoots just great. I think I will be taking it bear
hunting this spring instead of my much loved Wes Wallace recurve.
From my experience, I can sure recommend the Bushmaster.
George Ryals IV
John,
The ML-14 Is designed with a slim grip for the purpose of putting a
grip wrap on it with out it getting too large for the hand. If anyone
would like to have a ML-14 made with a larger grip it would not be a
problem at all. The ML-14 is meant basically as an entry level longbow
and it is not the fastest bow in our line.
The world distance record holder's name is Giancarlo Marchesini of
Italy. The recurve record was set with a Mamba (one of our best sellers
behind the hunter). The longbow record was set using a ML-14 longbow.
Both of these bows were bought from us stock with no modifacations
except he wanted his draw weight at his specific draw length for the
purpose of the flight rules.
The only thing I know about flight shoting is that you point it up into
the air and let it rip. If it goes farther than everybody elses you win!
I do know that the arrows used are not like the ones we shoot. If there
is a reader out there that can fill us in more about flight shooting,
please feel free.
The Vision design looks like a 21st Century, BUT... let me get the
record clear, there are forty and fifty year old bows in our collection
that Martin and others made, which also look like a 21st Century. Jim
Ploen is a a great designer of bows and a super shooter. If memory
serves me right, He was the 1970 New England Indoor Champion among other
things. He is not the originator of the swept limb design, neither is
Martin Archery for that matter. Some Mongol guy Made the first one and
probably shot a bunch of people with it.
All kidding aside They are both very good bows. I like mine better
because it is cheaper and is available with as many custom options as
Jim's bows. You can get the Vision in half the the time. Besides... I
get a discount where I work ;-) .
George D. Ryals IV
Technical Dept.
Product Testing
Martin Archery