Yamaha Super Feel Bow and Eolla Bow
Han S Kim
Does anyone have any experience with these bows? How does this bow shoot?
Is there a major difference between the regular limbs and the carbon
limbs? How does this stack up to I guess what would be comparable bows
like Hoyt Avalon and Hoyt Gold Medalist. I'm in the market right now,
looking at these four companies offerings for recurve bows .. Hoyt,
Yamaha, SKY, and PSE *sorta in that order*. Are there any other
companies I should consider in my buying decision? *sigh* I wish I could
sorta demo bows like how some places will let you demo tennis racquets
before making an investment this large. Acuatlly what would be
extremelty helpful is anyone with knowledge either first hand or
otherwise about the following bows and how they shoot and how much they cost.
Hoyt Avalon
Hoyt Radian
Hoyt Gold Medalist
Yamaha Super Feel
Yamaha Eolla
Yamaha A-EX
SKY Conquest
SKY Target Supreme
SKY Medalist
PSE Zone
PSE Universal
Whoever helps me out on this is DA MAN
Han Su Kim
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Marcel van Apeldoorn
Han S Kim wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience with these bows? How does this bow shoot?
> Is there a major difference between the regular limbs and the carbon
> limbs? How does this stack up to I guess what would be comparable bows
> like Hoyt Avalon and Hoyt Gold Medalist. I'm in the market right now,
> looking at these four companies offerings for recurve bows .. Hoyt,
> Yamaha, SKY, and PSE *sorta in that order*. Are there any other
> companies I should consider in my buying decision? *sigh* I wish I could
> sorta demo bows like how some places will let you demo tennis racquets
> before making an investment this large. Acuatlly what would be
> extremelty helpful is anyone with knowledge either first hand or
> otherwise about the following bows and how they shoot and how much they cost.
>
> Hoyt Avalon
> Hoyt Radian
> Hoyt Gold Medalist
> Yamaha Super Feel
> Yamaha Eolla
> Yamaha A-EX
> SKY Conquest
> SKY Target Supreme
> SKY Medalist
> PSE Zone
> PSE Universal
>
*** WARNING *** VERY BIASED OPINIONS... *** WARNING ***
Just some of my observations on the bows you mention:
I've added the Carbofast Emerald Star and the Greenhorn 2000 (my first
bow)
* Never seen or shot a SKY, so I skip that one
* PSE, never shot both of them, but I've heard that the universal is a
bit
difficult to tune due to its 'centerline' design (or something). If I
had to try
one of them, I would try the zone.
* Greenhorn 2000, Very heavy bow but very forgiving (for a beginner like
me at the
time)
* Hoyt: I've shot all three of them although not for long. The
Gold-Medalist is a
very fine bow, although it is a bit 'old-fashioned'. The older GM's
had a very
big grip, but the newer has the Avalon grip which is MUCH better.
The Radain is a very stiff bow, with a very small throath which you
either love
or hate, there is no inbetween. If you have small hands, or like small
grips, this
is your bow. I had some problems getting this bow quiet, but actually
I didn't
care much.
I've shot the Avalon, and compared to the Radian it has a (for me)
better grip,
it is easier to quiet down the bow, and feels a bit smoother. The big
PLUS is
the grip. I've seen archers that can not get away with the Avalon
because it has
a rather short sight-window. The archer in question has a very "long"
face, and
his pin disappears behind the top-limb-pocket when shootin 18m.
Adjustable limb-pockets are a nice gimmick, but thats all. Think about
it:
Hoyt has introduced (again) a new bow (the Elan) without these
adjustable pockets!
Hoyts limbs are very fast, but lately it looks like they ship
everything and call
it limbs. But that could be based on some bad experience of me and
some club-
and team mates.
* Carbofast Emerald Star: Very light handle (made of Carbon) with a grip
you have to
get used to. The Carbofast limbs are not that fast but extremely
stable. If you
like a heavy bow with heavy stabilisation, don't buy it, but if you
want a very
light and quiet bow; buy this one.
* YAMAHA: This is the bow I shoot, so I'm a bit biased :-)
My first YAMAHA was an A-EX with Ceramic (the EOLLA-type) limbs. This
was a good
combination with a very good grip. The (EOLLA ceramic limbs) are very
fast and
pretty stable (although they do wobble a bit at the end of the power
stroke)
A-EX grip rates as one of the best. The handle looks 'old-fashioned'
and falls
in the same category as the GM althought the latter is more crude???
(I mean
thicker/fatter/more squarish etc.)
I currently own an EOLLA with Super Ceramic limbs, and this is the
best bow I've
ever shot. The limbs are very fast and pretty stable (better than the
"old"
Ceramic limbs) The limbs are also very lightweight. I rate these limbs
as the
best you can buy today. The handle is 'old-fashioned' die-cast, but
looks good.
(BTW, whats wrong with die-cast, I've never heard of an EOLLA that
broke, I did see
a PSE universal break, I did see the cracks in a Hoyt Avalon..)
The grip of the EOLLA is the one-and-only grip (no wonder Hoyt copied
it for its
Avalon...) The EOLLA is NOT a quiet bow, it feels "alive", so if you
want a
very quiet bow, buy a Carbofast. The EOLLA's (like the other YAMAHA's)
shot feels
fierce (if that the correct word)
Unfortunately, I've got a 32" draw and that why I haven't bought the
YAMAHA
forged handle, I've seen it, I've heard it, I've touched it, I even
shot it
(a 68") and it looks and feels very good. If you don't have long arms,
try it.
PLEASE MISTER YAMAHA, Forge me a 25" handle !!!
Some of my ratings:
Feel (as in shot):
Based on actually shooting with all bows (so I didn't rate the ones I
haven't
shot with)
1+. YAMAHA Super Feel Forged + Super Ceramic limbs
1. YAMAHA EOLLA + Super ceramic limbs
2. Carbofast Emerald Star
3. Hoyt Avalon
4. Hoyt Radian
5. YAMAHA A-EX
6. Greenhorn 2000
7. Hoyt GM
Technology (of both limbs and handle):
Based on some experience during lots of FITA's in last few years,
seeing things
break, etc.
1. YAMAHA Super Feel Forged + Super Ceramic Limbs
2. Carbofast Emerald Star
3-6. all other machined bows (but I rate PSE a bit higher than Hoyt)
7. EOLLA
8. GM
Finish:
1. PSE Zone
2. YAMAHA Super Feel Forged
3. Hoyt Radian
4. YAMAHA EOLLA
5. Hoyt Avalon
6. Carbofast
So, that will have him confused for a while !!! :-)
-Marcel
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Force10Ten
>Hoyt is removing the Radian and the GM from production. Replacing the Radian
> with a Radianish riser which takes the Avalon grip.
No, Hoyt is NOT removing the GM from production, it is still in the 1998 line
and the new catalog. Page 41 to be specific.
The Elan is the new riser which occupies the slot of the old Radian.
.> I believe they call
> the newer risers the Avalon 2.
The 1998 Avalon is called the Avalon Plus.
Peter Dillard
I have shot Hoyts and Yamahas (many generations of each). The two
have very different 'feels' (consist ant through the generations). My
bows are Yamaha so adjust accordingly.
I like the feel of the Yamaha's. I find them more 'lively' than the
Hoyts. I thought this might be due to the 'floating' limb attach
system (there is no screw), but I am not sure of this.
Try as many as you can that you can afford and buy on feel.
Peter Dillard
In article <34592...@news.ic.sunysb.edu>, hk...@ic.sunsyb.edu says...
> Does anyone have any experience with these bows? How does this bow shoot?
> Is there a major difference between the regular limbs and the carbon
> limbs? How does this stack up to I guess what would be comparable bows
> like Hoyt Avalon and Hoyt Gold Medalist. I'm in the market right now,
> looking at these four companies offerings for recurve bows .. Hoyt,
> Yamaha, SKY, and PSE *sorta in that order*. Are there any other
> companies I should consider in my buying decision? *sigh* I wish I could
> sorta demo bows like how some places will let you demo tennis racquets
> before making an investment this large. Acuatlly what would be
> extremelty helpful is anyone with knowledge either first hand or
> otherwise about the following bows and how they shoot and how much they cost.
>
> Hoyt Avalon
> Hoyt Radian
> Hoyt Gold Medalist
> Yamaha Super Feel
> Yamaha Eolla
> Yamaha A-EX
> SKY Conquest
> SKY Target Supreme
> SKY Medalist
> PSE Zone
> PSE Universal
>
Han S Kim
To everyone .. thank u so much for helping out . Much thanks and
gratefulness. NOw the ultimate question for all.... how mcuh do u think
u can get these bow for .. what is the chpeast places to get these bow ..
i heard it a realt pain in the butt to get a yamaha bow that is not in
stock *sigh* . i think i'll haev a max of spending about ... uumm i'd
say about a 1000 for EVERYTHING .. including stablizers ... plunger ..
misc like strings and such ... tab ... arm guard .. arrows .. i mean the
works .. i mhav a nice sight that i like a lot .. accra 300 ... even if
it is a bit old i still like it ... so conisdere that . Again thnank to
all u wonderful people out there .. and happy shootin g=)
Sean Keogh
In article <3459D22E...@anchor.co.uk>, jo...@anchor.co.uk (John
Kearney) wrote, in response to hkim:
>
> My current bow is a British made Marksman KG1, and it's an absolute
> beauty. I
> would recommend Marksman to you, but I understand they are horribly
> difficult to
> get hold of in the US.
Further to this response, I would add that several people in my club
(Bowmen of Harrow) shoot with Marksman bows, including the club coach,
Dave Hodges, ex-national champion.
You can take a look at the Marksman bows on their web site, which is
part of the Bownet site. URL is:
http://www.bownet.com/Instore/lynxbows.html
They do stuff mail-order, though obviously you would want to try them
out first.
Maybe a mail to them would elicit some contact names and addresses
nearer to you in the US?
Sean K
John Kearney
John Dickson wrote:
> Sean Keogh wrote:
>
> > John Kearney wrote,
> > >
> > > My current bow is a British made Marksman KG1, and it's an absolute
> > > beauty. I
> > > would recommend Marksman to you, but I understand they are horribly
> > > difficult to get hold of in the US.
>
> Firstly, can I just say that the KG1 and the Eolla are not in the same
> market. I owned a KG1 from new. Shooting a 72" bow, 44lbs,18 strand FF &
> 32" Beman Diva arrows it performed well (1191 FITA 577 Portsmouth) but
> it snapped after about 18 months (riser below longrod bushing). The
> warranty was out of date (1 pathetic year!). The Eolla is a top of the
> range bow with very few longevity problems (I have only seen one
> broken!)
>
> My only recommendation can be don't buy one. (especially not at 400 quid
> plus!). I don't rate the Portland 2000 much higher.
(Snip)
That's the first time I've ever heard of a KG1 breaking. My bow is a few
years old (I got it second hand) and there appears to be nothing wrong with
it. I've known quite a few archers who own or have owned KG 1's or other
Marksman bows, and the only thing they have ever said against them is that
they can be a bit difficult to tune. Please don't think that I'm suggesting
that what you've said about your KG1 isn't true. It just doesn't sound like
a typical example.
On the cost issue, if Marksman bows were sold widely in the US they'd
probably cost considerably less than they do here. All other archery gear
does!
I appreciate that the KG1 and the Eolla are not in the same league.
However, I believe that an experienced beginner or even intermediate archer
would benefit more from a more forgiving bow than the Eolla. As I believe I
mentioned, one of the best archers I know uses an Eolla, and he can only get
the results that he does because his technique is excellent. One mistake,
and the arrows start straying. A couple of years ago, he hadn't been able
to shoot for about 2 weeks because he had a bad case of flu. His arrows
were dropping into the outer red at 20 yards on a Portsmouth face, which was
amazing to see. Usually he gets bunched groupings all the time.
Anyway, it seems that our friend has decided to go for a PSE, which I know
precisely nothing about.
Oh, John, I seem to remember we have conversed before. My previous address
was sds...@bangor.ac.uk. You gave me some advice about where to find
cheaper archery gear, remember?
Happy shooting all
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