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Craigge

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Aug 28, 2002, 5:45:39 PM8/28/02
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Is my Hornet(190) the only one that opens w/ end cells closed ever time???

NJCOL

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Aug 28, 2002, 6:01:43 PM8/28/02
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quick sidebar.... my buddy Chris was jumping a Hornet 135. I thought it was
pretty good. He just traded it for a Sabre2 of the same size. The only word I
have to describe it compared to the Hornet is...Spectacular.
Just think about it. He wasn't completely thrilled with it either. I thought it
was OK.I Only got one jump on the Sabre2 because it is that good. His
reply..Get your own. And you know. Ithink I will.
Peace

O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann

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Aug 28, 2002, 10:12:41 PM8/28/02
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> (Craigge)

>Is my Hornet(190) the only one that opens w/ end cells closed ever time???
>

the sign of a worn out canopy ;->

~All living holds suffering
Misery stops when greed stops~

GM

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Aug 29, 2002, 3:55:21 AM8/29/02
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Get someone who knows about canopies to check it out, not some moron on this
new group.

Could for a number of different reasons but as long as they open before you
land, what is the problem?

Graeme

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O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann

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Aug 29, 2002, 6:47:51 AM8/29/02
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>From: "GM" ma...@gmac.freeserve.co.uk
uh....he looses speed and distance for a jff, has to flare to pop them open
looses altitude might end up way out....not to mention loss of instant
collision escape action. See what yew Limeys git for not buying American? ;-*

FreeFlyAlabama

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Aug 29, 2002, 9:00:00 AM8/29/02
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cra...@aol.com (Craigge) wrote in message news:<20020828174539...@mb-mv.aol.com>...

> Is my Hornet(190) the only one that opens w/ end cells closed ever time???

End cell closer isnt always a bad thing, most of the time it just
means you had a slow opening if the end cells reinflate after a couple
of pumps on the toggles i wouldnt worry about it to much.It does not
mean you canopy is worn out a brand new canopy can do the same thing.

FreeFlyAlabama

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Aug 29, 2002, 9:00:00 AM8/29/02
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cra...@aol.com (Craigge) wrote in message news:<20020828174539...@mb-mv.aol.com>...
> Is my Hornet(190) the only one that opens w/ end cells closed ever time???

End cell closer isnt always a bad thing, most of the time it just

Fish n Chips

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Aug 29, 2002, 11:17:57 AM8/29/02
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to...@aol.com (O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann ) wrote in message news:<20020829064751...@mb-md.aol.com>...

I know exactly what you mean, battling with the rear riser's to get
them cell's popped is a pain.
That's wot I got when I bought American!

Jeff Saxton

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Aug 29, 2002, 2:53:09 PM8/29/02
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Or it could be lightly wingloaded. At 1.1/1 it usually takes a little tug
on the rear risers after opening to fully inflate mine.


In article <20020828221241...@mb-fp.aol.com>, to...@aol.com says...

Jeff Saxton

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Aug 29, 2002, 2:54:26 PM8/29/02
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Exactly! mine has less that 100 jumps on it.

In article <c67e6b9e.02082...@posting.google.com>,
alsky...@hotmail.com says...

Rev Jim

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Aug 30, 2002, 4:42:16 PM8/30/02
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Yea, this happens on my Sabre 135 once in a great while too. Cause? Pack
job. Happens when I trash pack. When I'm neater in my flaking, it never
happens. Try end cell closure at over 1.4......makes ya a bit nervous at
first.

Rev Jim

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Mr. Anonymous

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Aug 30, 2002, 5:39:50 PM8/30/02
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> "Rev Jim"
>"Jeff Saxton"

> Exactly! mine has less that 100 jumps >on it.

>(Craigge)

> Is my Hornet(190) the only one that opens w/ end cells closed ever
>time???
>> >
>> >End cell closer isnt always a bad thing, most of the time it just
>> >means you had a slow opening if the end cells reinflate after a couple
>> >of pumps on the toggles i wouldnt worry about it to much.It does not
>> >mean you canopy is worn out a brand new canopy can do the same thing.
>

flat roll packing cause both ends to open at the same time....thats why it
opens so smoothly & on heading 99% of the time but since yawl cain't pick
canopys and are modern shit packing zp jumpers I suppose a neat flat pack of
any kind is beyond any skills you will ever have and your stuck in a lifetime
of flying around on opening pumping yer toggles like eternal FJC students. UK
huh? Well its nice to know the BPA went downhill with the USPA....I wer
beginning to think it wuz
a youthful geo regional thing!


O--- :)~

Rev Jim

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Aug 30, 2002, 6:57:47 PM8/30/02
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Yo Gramps! If you're gonna put my name in there, ya could at least include
_something_ I posted.

Rev Jim

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O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann

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Aug 30, 2002, 8:23:11 PM8/30/02
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> "Rev Jim"

>Yo Gramps! If you're gonna put my name in there, ya could at least include
>_something_ I posted.

ya were in the formation of whiners kid, thats all I need to work with! 0~~;)P

Rev Jim

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Aug 30, 2002, 10:52:38 PM8/30/02
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"O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann " wrote

Yo Gramps! I know (think) you're smarter than that. I was not whining,
merely adding what I do to avoid this problem, and what I did to cause it in
the first place.

I know you really do not care what others think of you, but if you want my
respect, it's gonna take alot more than that.

You have alot to offer to this group, even with your relative low jump
numbers and time out of the sport. How about using what you have learned in
a positive light for once?
--
Blue, Safe Skies,
Rev. Jim
A-39869
70+ Jumps 1.4 wingload cause:
"It's just what I do..."


JimBo

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Aug 30, 2002, 11:03:14 PM8/30/02
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>Subject: Re: Hornet 190 opening????
>From: "Rev Jim" isky...@charter.net

>Yo Gramps! I know (think) you're smarter than that.

>


>I know you really do not care what others think of you, but if you want my
>respect, it's gonna take alot more than that.

>You have alot to offer to this group, even with your relative low jump
>numbers and time out of the sport. How about using what you have learned in
>a positive light for onc

Wow Snuff......I think the ole Rev set you right back in your place.
Better watch this one.


jim
D-10154
Snuffy and Tommykdinks friend
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.

Mr. Anonymous

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Aug 30, 2002, 11:15:00 PM8/30/02
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>"Rev Jim"

>Yo Gramps! I know (think) you're smarter than that. I was not whining,
>merely adding what I do to avoid this problem, and what I did to cause it in
>the first place.

yeah ulike the dumb Limey yew didn't buy a hornet ya brought American but yew
prolly poof pak it...yawl don't ned to be pumping brake lines like FJS
cuz yer liable to be in heavier traffic neding to git outta the way....my best
advice to that BPA sheep is GIT RID OF THE HORNET and buy a real canopy, my
best advice to yew is FLAT PACK!
O--- :)~

Marc

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Aug 30, 2002, 11:21:40 PM8/30/02
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Rev Jim wrote:

>Rev. Jim
>A-39869
>70+ Jumps 1.4 wingload cause:
>"It's just what I do..."

70+ what? How many jumps do you and your 1.4 wingloading have?

Blue, Safe Skies,
Marc
A-19889
70+ Jumps 1.9 wingload cause:

Mr. Anonymous

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Aug 30, 2002, 11:22:08 PM8/30/02
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> (JimBo)

>Wow Snuff......I think the ole Rev set you right back in your place.
>Better watch this one.
>
>
>
>
> jim
>D-10154
>Snuffy and Tommykdinks friend
>
>

Nah it didn't attend the right prep schools
for the sport so as a USPA sheep it will always be behind the curve...I on the
other hand did and am cum laude but the yankee's right....I basically don't
give a shit
what they think...that they think is shocking enuff I thought they just had
feelings with little thought
O--- :)~

Rev Jim

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Aug 31, 2002, 9:45:32 AM8/31/02
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"Mr. Anonymous" wrote

> > (JimBo)
>
> >Wow Snuff......I think the ole Rev set you right back in your place.
> >Better watch this one.
> >
> >
>
> Nah it didn't attend the right prep schools
> for the sport so as a USPA sheep it will always be behind the curve.

Hmmm, I went Static Line, at a true CLUB, hung on the 182 strut, I _never_
took a single AFF level, and my first Turbine was 3 years into the sport. No
injuries (yet), but that's always a possibility.

> other hand did and am cum laude but the yankee's right....I basically
don't
> give a shit
> what they think...that they think is shocking enuff I thought they just
had
> feelings with little thought
> O--- :)~

Not just feelings and thought there Gramps, reason and common sense too
(speaking only for myself there).
--
Blue, Safe Skies,


Rev. Jim
A-39869
70+ Jumps 1.4 wingload cause:
"It's just what I do..."

p&m


Rev Jim

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Aug 31, 2002, 9:52:25 AM8/31/02
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"Mr. Anonymous" wrote

Well, maybe the "Get rid of the Hornet" suggestion was a good one...

The 9 cell canopys on the market are actually quite responsive with end cell
closure, unlike the older, non ZP 7 cells. It's actually quite easy to avoid
traffic with 7 of the 9 cells inflated.

As far as the flat packing advice to me.... I can flat pack, thanks to Loki,
but you obviously have never been slammed by a Sabre. They do _not_ respond
well to flat packing! The Sabre is one canopy that _really_ should be
Pro-Packed, and you need to be extremely careful with your canopy handling
procedures, or you may end up in traction, and that's just from the opening!

Rev Jim

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Aug 31, 2002, 9:54:19 AM8/31/02
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"Marc" wrote

> Rev Jim wrote:
>
> >Rev. Jim
> >A-39869
> >70+ Jumps 1.4 wingload cause:
> >"It's just what I do..."
>
> 70+ what? How many jumps do you and your 1.4 wingloading have?
>

Not enough. In fact, just enough for Brian Germain to label me "DG", a label
I plan on out-living.

O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann

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Aug 31, 2002, 10:34:39 AM8/31/02
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>"Rev Jim"
>Yo Gramps!
>I was not whining,

>Sabre. They do _not_ respond
>well to flat packing!
> need to be extremely careful with your >canopy handling
>procedures, or you may end up in >traction, and that's just from the opening!

whine whine whine....I've walked around with harness bruises all the
time...openings so hard they created barrel rolls and cud be heered at the
other end of the runway even on a short spot...blood running out of my ears and
nose. boondokers flung god knows where, broken lines, blown cells and that wuz
before they even invented zp's....I tried the sabre, it wer so small yew wud
have to be a weak mouse to be injured by an opening....not enuff canopy area to
do any damage. I noticed the first AFF yupps to own them had to hook them into
the ground to git in traction action. Thats when I also first noticed a gear
fashion problems showing up at the dz "WIPE THAT OIL OFF THE CESSNA....TEAR
THAT UGLY DUCT TAPE OFF or shit MY RIG COSTS MORE THAN THAT DAMN PLANE!" They
also had cypress's....the hook kinda countered that though . modern wuss whine
whine whine ;)P

O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann

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Aug 31, 2002, 10:37:00 AM8/31/02
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>From: "Rev Jim"

>70+ Jumps 1.9 wingload cause:
>"It's just what I do..."
>

I guess when yer no good in FF you have to develope sum skeem to hang around
drinking student beer

O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann

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Aug 31, 2002, 10:45:02 AM8/31/02
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>From: "Rev Jim"

>Hmmm, I went Static Line, at a true CLUB, hung on the 182 strut, I _never_
>took a single AFF level, and my first Turbine was 3 years into the sport.

NO TURBINE Yikes!
Thats why yew developed so slow
and I thought yew wer just dumb ;)P

Rev Jim

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Aug 31, 2002, 12:07:00 PM8/31/02
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"O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann " wrote
> >From: "Rev Jim"
> >70+ Jumps 1.4 wingload cause:

> >"It's just what I do..."
> >
>
> I guess when yer no good in FF you have to develope sum skeem to hang
around
> drinking student beer
>

Yea, I stink in FF, but I'm working on it. The classic comment I heard after
Rantoul was "Rev Jim needs to buy more lead, or eat a cow!" Well, since I'm
dangerously close to the maximum suspended weight for my Sabre, the lead is
out. I eat like a freakin horse, so that ain't working either. Problem
solved, ordering a new "fast" RW suit.

Oh, and Gramps, I don't use booties either.

> ~All living holds suffering
> Misery stops when greed stops~

Ain't that the truth.
--
Blue, Safe Skies,
Rev. (No, I don't hook it) Jim
NCB#398
NHDZ#4
Fancy Lad #16
MikeT's People who care list #69
A-39869
***Remove all GM DZO's from the USPA BOD next election!***

Rev Jim

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Aug 31, 2002, 12:14:36 PM8/31/02
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"O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann " wrote
> >"Rev Jim"
> >Yo Gramps!
> >I was not whining,
> >Sabre. They do _not_ respond
> >well to flat packing!
> > need to be extremely careful with your >canopy handling
> >procedures, or you may end up in >traction, and that's just from the
opening!
>
> whine whine whine....I've walked around with harness bruises all the
> time...openings so hard they created barrel rolls and cud be heered at the
> other end of the runway even on a short spot...blood running out of my
ears and
> nose. boondokers flung god knows where, broken lines, blown cells and
that wuz
> before they even invented zp's..

And you still advocate flat packing? Are you freakin INSANE? Did you ever
stop to think that maybe, just maybe, learning a new pack job might have
given you some decent openings?

..I tried the sabre, it wer so small yew wud
> have to be a weak mouse to be injured by an opening....not enuff canopy
area to
> do any damage.

Depends on your exit weight. I was slammed under Sabre 190s and 210s, but I
was weighing them at less than 1 to 1. my Sabre 135 on the other hand opens
sweet and flares even sweeter. It is quite ground hungry though.

> I noticed the first AFF yupps to own them had to hook them into
> the ground to git in traction action. Thats when I also first noticed a
gear
> fashion problems showing up at the dz "WIPE THAT OIL OFF THE
CESSNA....TEAR
> THAT UGLY DUCT TAPE OFF or shit MY RIG COSTS MORE THAN THAT DAMN PLANE!"

Any canopy can kill or main, as you know Gramps. It's not the canopy (with
the exception of the Nova and a few others), it's how you fly (or don't fly)
them that's gonna hurt you.

> They
> also had cypress's..

Nope, don't have one of those either. In fact, my student jumps "back in the
day" were on FXC equipped rigs, and besides a few borrowed rigs, I haven't
jumped with an AAD since. Pull or Die.

> ..the hook kinda countered that though . modern wuss whine
> whine whine ;)P

How many times I gotta say it? The canopy has nothing to do with how it's
flown! Hell, Jimbo has an elliptical now, and I bet he don't hook it in!

>
> ~All living holds suffering
> Misery stops when greed stops~

Still true.
--
Blue, Safe Skies,

Rev Jim

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Aug 31, 2002, 1:10:17 PM8/31/02
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"O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann " wrote
> >From: "Rev Jim"
>
> >Hmmm, I went Static Line, at a true CLUB, hung on the 182 strut, I
_never_
> >took a single AFF level, and my first Turbine was 3 years into the sport.
> NO TURBINE Yikes!
> Thats why yew developed so slow
> and I thought yew wer just dumb ;)P

Smart enough to have survived to still be jumping.

Dumb enough to still be jumping.

Slow progression I attribute to taking the better part of 2 years off to
straightne out the family life. Didn't work, it's all still messed up, so I
just jump.

>
> ~All living holds suffering
> Misery stops when greed stops~

And greed stops when the USPA Group Membership program is removed.

LORD OF THE SKY

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Marc <frefa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> 70+ what? How many jumps do you and your 1.4 wingloading have?
>
> Blue, Safe Skies,
> Marc

LOL! I don't know how many total jumps theReverend Jim has put on that
canopy.
I do know that when he first started jumping it I was a little concerned
about his wingloading/ experience level.
After several back and forth e-mails the Rev assured me that he was
flying this canopy conservatively. Straight in final approaches.
I suggested that he aim for a specific target on each and every landing
to develop his accuracy skills. He agreed this was a good idea.

I met Rev. Jim at Rantoul this year. I made a number of jumps with him
and observed his approach and landings.
James Manny's approaches were each conservative .
I watched as he nailed the 6'X6' cardboard target .
Brian Germain may refer to him as DG (dead guy).
I refer to him as Reverend DC (dead center)!

"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY

O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann

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Aug 31, 2002, 5:02:55 PM8/31/02
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>"Rev Jim"

>And you still advocate flat packing? Are you freakin INSANE? Did you ever
>stop to think that maybe, just maybe, >learning a new pack job might have
>given you some decent openings?
>

me and chewy big britches (mr hed down track up) already discussed this....in
hiz opinion it wuz my old timey 45 degree down track mixed with a rental
Man-o-war doing it.

>.I tried the sabre, it wer so small yew wud
>> have to be a weak mouse to be injured by an opening....not enuff canopy
>area to
>> do any damage.

>Depends on your exit weight. I was >slammed under Sabre 190s and 210s, >but I
was weighing them at less than
> 1 to 1.

my exit weight at its lowest wuz 268 pounds...I don't think Sabre made one that
wud match me 1 to 1 at the time or ever! They had a meeting and said "hell
these big ole redneck guys down in Texas think we make fairy wings for yupp's
anyway let them jump overloaded or stay with wopping
F111's I actually jumped a Falcon 265 1 to 1 summa the guys were so big they
hadda jump Raven 4 as a main & reserve just to make the TSO cut. Big I'm
talking BIG OLE BOYS! ;->

O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann

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>"Rev Jim"

>Yea, I stink in FF, but I'm working on it. The classic comment I heard after
>Rantoul was "Rev Jim needs to buy more lead, or eat a cow!" Well, since I'm
>dangerously close to the maximum suspended weight for my Sabre, the lead is
>out. I eat like a freakin horse, so that ain't working either. Problem
>solved, ordering a new "fast" RW suit.
>
>Oh, and Gramps, I don't use booties either.
>
>> ~All living holds suffering
>> Misery stops when greed stops~
>
>Ain't that the truth.
>--
>Blue, Safe Skies,
>Rev. (No, I don't hook it) Jim
>NCB#398
>NHDZ#4
>Fancy Lad #16

>Fancy Lad #16
?????????fancy lad?????????? did they start making spandex in pink yet? These
damn little sheep used to cum out in black sandex and pink reboks, little
teardrop containers, ya cud lift two of them with one hand they cud never catch
the base...even with a head start! dunno why they did all that stretching
before loading ;->

O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann

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Aug 31, 2002, 5:18:26 PM8/31/02
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>"Rev Jim"

>Oh, and Gramps, I don't use booties >either.
>Fancy Lad #16
>Fancy Lad #16

how yew git a Fancy Lad number then?
gotta go to a hair stylist drive a ferrin car..... have a full face helment,
Booties and touch of pink to be a real fancy lad yew know. Have they lowered
the standards? ;-*

LORD OF THE SKY

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O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann <to...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> how yew git a Fancy Lad number then?
> gotta go to a hair stylist drive a ferrin car..... have a full face
helment,
> Booties and touch of pink to be a real fancy lad yew know. Have they
lowered
> the standards? ;-*


Yo' Coyote #1,
I and only I will decide who deserves a Fancy Lad #.
Originally the Rev got his for talkin' some kinda' french shit!!!
After meeting him in person, he is quite deserving as he jumps a
pink main and has some "fancy" way of linking his lap top to his
cellphone!!!!

All that modern communication shit is pretty "Fancy" don'tcha'
think?

"Treetop" Quixote #1(not to be confused with a coyote#)


Joseph Walther

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"LORD OF THE SKY" <lord...@ellijay.com> wrote in message
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>
> O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann <to...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20020831171826...@mb-dh.aol.com...
> > how yew git a Fancy Lad number then?
>
> Yo' Coyote #1,
> I and only I will decide who deserves a Fancy Lad #.
> Originally the Rev got his for talkin' some kinda' french shit!!!
> After meeting him in person, he is quite deserving as he jumps a
> pink main and has some "fancy" way of linking his lap top to his
> cellphone!!!!

Walther responds...

Not to take anything away from the Rev, but there isn't anything fancy about
linking a laptop to a cell phone. It has been going on for a number of years
now. I have been doing it myself for at least 3-years. In fact, I link
everything to my cell phone. I do not, however, have a pink main. But, I do
wear a pink shirt, though. :-)

Regards and blues

Walther


O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann

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Aug 31, 2002, 9:00:38 PM8/31/02
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>"LORD OF THE SKY"
>Yo' Coyote #1,

>the Rev
>jumps a
>pink main

Wauggggg. I wer fixing to think he wuz ok
cuz he wuz claiming to be a no bootie boy
who came up the hard way...dope a roping off the strut. Now he's really on my
SHITLIST! Next he'll be a AFF/JM or worse a Coach without putting in a few
years as a SL/JM first. Augggggggg fokking USPA!

Mr. Anonymous

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Aug 31, 2002, 9:12:36 PM8/31/02
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>"LORD OF THE SKY"

>Yo' Coyote


> he jumps a
>pink main

Well shit he artta just give up hiz citizenship...move to the UK and buy
A DAMN HORNET like those Limey cross
dressers calling theirselves "Skydivers" ;>
O--- :)~

Rev Jim

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"O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann " wrote

> >"LORD OF THE SKY"
> >Yo' Coyote #1,
>
> >the Rev
> >jumps a
> >pink main
>
> Wauggggg. I wer fixing to think he wuz ok
> cuz he wuz claiming to be a no bootie boy
> who came up the hard way...dope a roping off the strut. Now he's really on
my
> SHITLIST! Next he'll be a AFF/JM or worse a Coach without putting in a few
> years as a SL/JM first. Augggggggg fokking USPA!
>

Gramps,
Just as you do not care what others think of you, I do not care what others
think of my gear. I'll say this once just for you.

Not only did I come off the strut, but I only ended up with pink gear for
financial reasons. I was (am) extremely poor, after having 3 to many
children (I have 4). I needed gear that was jumpable by me and was extremely
cheap. I got a Vector II with the pink Sabre for $500. I got a Cricket 145
reserve for $349. No CYPRES. No RSL. Had to have the BOC added, as the ROL
had a hole in it, and wasn't worth fixing(to me). After paying my rigger
(Loki) to inspect all this, assemble it, and pack the reserve, as well as
the shipping charges, it came to a total of $1024. (I had thought it was a
sub $1000 rig before, but after adding the shipping, I was mistaken.)
Needless to say, I am finally able to start jumping with some regularity now
that I have my own gear. I take the shit I get about the color, and usually
answer "Yea, I've got a pink main, but your main is butt fucking ugly and
you paid EXTRA for it."

Oh, yea. My jumpsuit is ALL black, no booties. It had a white collar on it
that I added, but the snaps failed, and it was lost in freefall. I'll make
another soon.
--
Blue, Safe Skies,

LORD OF THE SKY

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Joseph Walther <jlwal...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Walther responds...
>
> Not to take anything away from the Rev, but there isn't anything fancy
about
> linking a laptop to a cell phone. It has been going on for a number of
years
> now. I have been doing it myself for at least 3-years. In fact, I link
> everything to my cell phone. I do not, however, have a pink main. But, I
do
> wear a pink shirt, though. :-)

Yo' Walther, Got booties? How about an audible or a full face helmet?
CYPRES?,RSL?

LOL!
Are you a "Fancy Lad" Walther?
Need a number?

Joseph Walther

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Aug 31, 2002, 9:51:07 PM8/31/02
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"LORD OF THE SKY" <lord...@ellijay.com> wrote in message
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>
> Joseph Walther <jlwal...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:yrdc9.209218$Aw4.9...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
> > Walther responds...
> >
> > Not to take anything away from the Rev, but there isn't anything fancy
> about


>


> Yo' Walther, Got booties? How about an audible or a full face helmet?
> CYPRES?,RSL?

Walther responds...

None of this stuff was available when I started (1960). The only things I
have resplaced since then are the main and reserve. I have no booties, no
audible, no full-face helmet, no CYPRES, and no RSL. I do use goggles,
though. They are 20-years old and very faded in color.

I have never been accused of being a fancy lad or a fancy anything else...

Rev Jim

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Aug 31, 2002, 9:51:34 PM8/31/02
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"LORD OF THE SKY" wrote

>
> Yo' Coyote #1,
> I and only I will decide who deserves a Fancy Lad #.
>
> "Treetop" Quixote #1(not to be confused with a coyote#)
>
>

Yea, and Treetop jumps in Tevas, with color co-ordinated gear, including,
but not limited to Rig, Jumpsuit, Main, and Accuracy landing pad. Hell, even
his Tevas and Polo shirts match his gear!

So Tree, what's _your_ fancy lad number?
--
Blue, Safe Skies,
Rev. Jim
A-39869
Fancy Lad #16 ('cause I talk "fancy")

Rev Jim

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Aug 31, 2002, 10:04:33 PM8/31/02
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"LORD OF THE SKY" wrote
>
> LOL! I don't know how many total jumps theReverend Jim has put on that
> canopy.
> I do know that when he first started jumping it I was a little
concerned
> about his wingloading/ experience level.

Pssst, Tree. I had 2, yea count 'em, 2 jumps on that main before Rantoul.
Now it's around 30.

> After several back and forth e-mails the Rev assured me that he was
> flying this canopy conservatively. Straight in final approaches.

Yep, still do. Play with the risers up high though. Hell, even you (and
Peanut) asked when I'm not using double front risers final to gain speed.
Why? I love my landings I get, and I'm freakin accurate! Why mess with a
good thing?

> I suggested that he aim for a specific target on each and every
landing
> to develop his accuracy skills. He agreed this was a good idea.
>

That I have always done, and yes, it was, and still is, a VERY good idea,
for EVERYONE! No, you don't need to aim for the peas, it's usually to busy
there anyway.

Here's a tip for those that want to get better at their accuracy. Take a
white frisbee with you to the DZ, with on long spike (I suggest at least
6"). Take the frisbee out on the landing area, as far away from the peas as
you can get and still be a reasonable distance from the buildings, and nail
it down in the middle. When you are under canopy and everyone is heading to
the main Landing Area, head to your personal "dot". Use it as your accuracy
pad! You will be in a reletively uncongested area, and can work on getting
the _exact_ spot you want to hit down pat. Trust me, it works!

> I met Rev. Jim at Rantoul this year. I made a number of jumps with
him
> and observed his approach and landings.
> James Manny's approaches were each conservative .
> I watched as he nailed the 6'X6' cardboard target .
> Brian Germain may refer to him as DG (dead guy).
> I refer to him as Reverend DC (dead center)!
>
> "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY

Thanks Treetop. It helps alot starting out on a little, tight DZ with few
outs and good spots, but you all need to practice accuracy on EVERY jump.
When you end up with a bad spot, and someones 40'x60' backyard is the
biggest piece of land you can see for miles, you don't want to have to think
about it. With accuracy practice it ends up being "Just Do It!". Been there,
done that, glad I practiced.
--
Blue, Safe Skies,

Rev Jim

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Aug 31, 2002, 10:11:41 PM8/31/02
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"O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann " wrote
> >"Rev Jim"
>
> >And you still advocate flat packing? Are you freakin INSANE? Did you ever
> >stop to think that maybe, just maybe, >learning a new pack job might have
> >given you some decent openings?
> >
> me and chewy big britches (mr hed down track up) already discussed
this....in
> hiz opinion it wuz my old timey 45 degree down track mixed with a rental
> Man-o-war doing it.
>

It may have contributed to it, but that's not gonna be all of it. If you
knew your deployment speeds to be above the average, you could have easily
packed for slower openings. Pro packing makes adjusting opening times quite
easy.

> >.I tried the sabre, it wer so small yew wud
> >> have to be a weak mouse to be injured by an opening....not enuff canopy
> >area to
> >> do any damage.
>
> >Depends on your exit weight. I was >slammed under Sabre 190s and 210s,
>but I
> was weighing them at less than
> > 1 to 1.
>
> my exit weight at its lowest wuz 268 pounds...I don't think Sabre made one
that
> wud match me 1 to 1 at the time or ever!

1.165 on the largest Sabre made (that I know of), a 230. Would probably have
been a good choice for you, except that the Sabres reputation for hard
openings increased with the sizes. Yea, you probably would have gotten
slammed.

> They had a meeting and said "hell
> these big ole redneck guys down in Texas think we make fairy wings for
yupp's
> anyway let them jump overloaded or stay with wopping
> F111's I actually jumped a Falcon 265 1 to 1 summa the guys were so big
they
> hadda jump Raven 4 as a main & reserve just to make the TSO cut. Big I'm
> talking BIG OLE BOYS! ;->
>

Raven 4 main AND reserve?!?! That ain't big, that's freakin HUGE! They made
a rig big enough to fit both of them in at once? I thought once you got that
big, you had to go back to using belly mount reserves! >:-) snerk

--
Blue, Safe Skies,

Rev Jim

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Aug 31, 2002, 10:25:11 PM8/31/02
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"Mr. Anonymous" wrote

>
> Well shit he artta just give up hiz citizenship...move to the UK and buy
> A DAMN HORNET like those Limey cross
> dressers calling theirselves "Skydivers" ;>
> O--- :)~

Nope. I like it right here in the Good 'ole U S of A. This is the place
where I can depend on others paying lots of extra money to make their canopy
look like shit, and then sell it to me for the price of a well used Para
Commander.

Besides, them Britts talk funny.

LORD OF THE SKY

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Joseph Walther <jlwal...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> >
> > Yo' Walther, Got booties? How about an audible or a full face helmet?
> > CYPRES?,RSL?
>
> Walther responds...
>
> None of this stuff was available when I started (1960). The only things I
> have resplaced since then are the main and reserve. I have no booties, no
> audible, no full-face helmet, no CYPRES, and no RSL. I do use goggles,
> though. They are 20-years old and very faded in color.
>
> I have never been accused of being a fancy lad or a fancy anything else...
> :-)


Yes, but Mr. Walther,
Exactly what color are those goggles?

Joseph Walther

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Aug 31, 2002, 10:43:43 PM8/31/02
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"LORD OF THE SKY" <lord...@ellijay.com> wrote in message
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>
> Joseph Walther <jlwal...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > I have never been accused of being a fancy lad or a fancy anything
else...
> > :-)
>
>
> Yes, but Mr. Walther,
> Exactly what color are those goggles?

Walther responds...

When I first bought them, the color was some shade of blue. Now, who
knows... somewhere between a darker puke green and a migraine yellow.

Regards and blues

Walther

O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann

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Aug 31, 2002, 11:00:13 PM8/31/02
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"Beverly"

>summa the guys were so big
>they hadda jump Raven 4 as a main & reserve just to make the TSO cut. Big I'm
>> talking BIG OLE BOYS! ;->
>>
>
>Raven 4 main AND reserve?!?! That ain't big, that's freakin HUGE! They made
>a rig big enough to fit both of them in at once? I thought once you got that
>big, you had to go back to using belly mount reserves! >:-) snerk
>
>--
>
well yew ain't gonna be using no tear drop with that combo but a J8 artta fit
it, my F265/R3 fit a J5 perfect and kinda rattled around in J7....A J7 or 8
wud prolly make onena yew liteweights look like a turtle ;)P

LORD OF THE SKY

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Aug 31, 2002, 10:34:05 PM8/31/02
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Rev Jim <isky...@charter.net> wrote in message

> Yea, and Treetop jumps in Tevas, with color co-ordinated gear, including,
> but not limited to Rig, Jumpsuit, Main, and Accuracy landing pad. Hell,
even
> his Tevas and Polo shirts match his gear!

WTF Rev? My Rig is a basic black, My jumpsuit ,before you destroyed it,
was a simple Red , White, and Blue.

> So Tree, what's _your_ fancy lad number?

Double naught!;>)

"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THESKY

O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann

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Aug 31, 2002, 11:05:18 PM8/31/02
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>"LORD OF THE SKY" wrote
> LOL!
>when he first started jumping

>Rev. Jim
>A-39869<---------- last week maybe? I dunno havn't looked at a Parachutist in
years are the D's starting to look like social security numbers too? ROFLMAO
HO HO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ;o)

Marc

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Aug 31, 2002, 11:05:10 PM8/31/02
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Rev Jim wrote:

>"Marc" wrote


>> Rev Jim wrote:
>>
>> >Rev. Jim
>> >A-39869
>> >70+ Jumps 1.4 wingload cause:
>> >"It's just what I do..."
>>

>> 70+ what? How many jumps do you and your 1.4 wingloading have?
>>
>

>Not enough.

My point exactly. I'm just glad you acknowledge it.

Blue Skies,

Marc

Marc

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Treetop wrote:

>Marc <frefa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> 70+ what? How many jumps do you and your 1.4 wingloading have?
>>
>> Blue, Safe Skies,
>> Marc
>
> LOL! I don't know how many total jumps theReverend Jim has put on that
>canopy.
> I do know that when he first started jumping it I was a little concerned
>about his wingloading/ experience level.

Your concern was/is justified.

> After several back and forth e-mails the Rev assured me that he was
>flying this canopy conservatively. Straight in final approaches.

Conservative straight in final approaches work fine and dandy, until ya have an
off-DZ landing, in a tight area, with unfamilair terrain, at dusk, etc. etc.
etc.....

These scenarios do occur, and *when* they occur isn't the time to suddenly
learn how to land a 1.4 loaded canopy in a manner which is not "conservative"
or "straight in." If you're jumping a canopy at 1.4, you should, at the very
least, know how to land a 1.2 canopy in a less-than-conservative,
non-straight-in fashion. IMO.

> I suggested that he aim for a specific target on each and every landing
>to develop his accuracy skills. He agreed this was a good idea.

I agree that it's a good idea too. That doesn't change what I just said above.

> I met Rev. Jim at Rantoul this year. I made