2nd Kapowsin Tandem Fatality
Ken Finlayson
go out to all involved.
From MSNBC:
In Sunday’s accident, the divers’ parachute apparently collapsed in the
final 200 to 300 feet after hitting a surge of hot air or “thermal” from the
asphalt below, police said. That caused the pair to spiral to the ground. It
was the Edmonds man’s first jump.
Both men were airlifted to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle after
the 12:30 p.m. accident. The Edmonds man, whose name wasn’t immediately
released, died about an hour later. The instructor was listed in serious
condition.
The accident comes on the heels of another accident at the Kapowsin
Airport, also involving a tandem jump with and instructor and a first-time
diver. On Saturday, instructor Robert T. Woodley, 45, of Graham died of
massive internal injures after his reserve chute failed to open.
The other diver, at 27-year-old woman on vacation from New York State,
was harnessed to him suffered serious injures in the fall. Her condition was
upgraded from critical to satisfactory condition at Harborview on Sunday.
The two got the main parachute open, but because of problems, had to
release it immediately, Benson said. The two then tried to open the reserve
chute, but that became entangled and never fully opened.
The two crashed to the ground, with Woodley cushioning the woman’s fall.
The accidents left the owners of Kapowsin Air Sports Skydiving reeling.
“This weekend was our first real problem,” said Jessie Sarrington, who
added that the company had overseen thousands of jumps without so much as a
twisted ankle. “It is an incredible tragedy and a loss to all of us.”
Both incidents are under investigation by the Federal Aviation
Administration.
jumpe...@hotmail.com wrote in message <6qlj75$q12$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>News stations in Spokane are reporting the death of a tandem passenger
today
>in Kapowsin. This follows the death yesterday in a separate incident of a
>tandem instructor. No names have been relased in either incident.
>
>Today's report is that at 200-300 feet, the pair encountered a thermal or
wind
>shear which collapsed the left side of the canopy, and they spiraled in.
>Instructor is in hospital, and the 23 yr. old passenger died.
>
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ChixNSpace
family)))))))))))))))))))))
TooyT
Wrote:
>This is so unbelievable! sending positive energy to those losing friends and
>family)))))))))))))))))))))
I find the news service unbelievable. Watched it on T.V this morning, as the
reporter announced it, the video showed
solo skydivers missing their flare point
and making ass to grass landing's. Didn't
show any Tandems at all. No interviews
of USPA doolybops are nuttin. Skydiving
needs a P.R. Branch. Yew know spin
doctors that cun allso be honest with the
publix and show at least one face down
Tandem landing. ;-) snuffy
Jim Crouch
months with your bullshit. Go over to rec.inbred.assholes and clog up
their group with your fucking useless dribble.
Jim Crouch
ede...@pipermar.com
> > Tandem landing. ;-) snuffy
> Go fuck yourself Snuffy. I've watched you clog up this newsgroup for
> months with your bullshit. Go over to rec.inbred.assholes and clog up
> their group with your fucking useless dribble.
> Jim Crouch
>
I second that emotion!! The amount of callousness exhibited on the newsgroup
is second only to the amount of stupidity exhibited here!
Snuffy has posted 2,092 times to this group over the past year or so. Does
anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,000
posts????
Elaine
D-7863
TooyT
Wrote:
>TooyT wrote:
>>
>> >From: chixn...@aol.com (ChixNSpace
>> Wrote:
>> >This is so unbelievable! sending positive energy to those losing friends
>and
>> >family)))))))))))))))))))))
>> ***********************************
>> I find the news service unbelievable. Watched it on T.V this morning, as
>the
>> reporter announced it, the video showed
>> solo skydivers missing their flare point
>> and making ass to grass landing's. Didn't
>> show any Tandems at all. No interviews
>> of USPA doolybops are nuttin. Skydiving
>> needs a P.R. Branch. Yew know spin
>> doctors that cun allso be honest with the
>> Tandem landing. ;-) snuffy
>Go fuck yourself Snuffy. I've watched you clog up this newsgroup for
>months with your bullshit. Go over to rec.inbred.assholes and clog up
>their group with your fucking useless dribble.
>Jim Crouch
WOW a skygod! Heh heh I wud rather fish a Ng thut cun supply sum reel anal
pupple.
Beside's the only inbred assholes I know anything about are Skygods. Maybe ewe
cud put a filter on yer software thut wud
filter my dribble ass post's out? Or whut,
yer not smert enuff? Nahhhhh I think you
may just be a closet asshole thut secretly
enjoys it? Blues and try not to bleed
thru yer ass to much kiddy. ;-* snuffy
Jonofun
are talking about people dying it would be wiser thing for you to refrain. I
klnow you like to get a lid off folks but not under that headline. Snuffy what
is a Skygod?
Robert Mahaffey Z-Airtime
TooyT
Yuh, but the thing is Funerals, memorials
and all that other stuff is O.K. but it is for
the living not the dead. The ded doan
reely care about worldly things anymore.
Anybody with a D or above thut cunt handle
the 3 D's has sum unresolved issue's they need to work out to improve their
skydiving
skill's. I seen a whole lot of death even ben
ded twice myself. Not long enuff to stink. ;)
Now I am more interested in whut makes the
living tic, why the news people cunt
git good video. And thinking about deep
shit like when do yew know its ONE load too
many. ;) I rukun Mr. Couch huz sum unrelated problems besides the death's that
made him blow up, I dunno I will try to help
him git them out.
Whut a SKYGOD? sumone who huz more
ego thun talent and cunt handle emotions
very well. Gee I thought they wud all be
at Quincy.
In my humble opinion Skydiving shud
switch to the Irish Wake ceremony if
they wanna honor their ded. After all
it is in the same basic spirit of the sport
the ded person luv'ed so much.
blues & done git on the last load friend, it
may be one load too many ;-* snuffy
TooyT
Wrote:
>I second that emotion!! The amount of callousness exhibited on the newsgroup
>is second only to the amount of stupidity exhibited here!
>
>Snuffy has posted 2,092 times to this group over the past year or so. Does
>anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,000
>posts????
>
>Elaine
>D-7863
***********************************
Whut? are ewe saying face down landings
doan happen or ewe jus ain't never witnessed
one? ;-* snuffy
TooyT
>Interesting--very interesting... Maybe all of you folks getting mad at
>Snuffy ought to go back and look at the post made about the girl that
>fell out of her harness.
***********************************
Well I did provoke them cuz it wuz over their
hed's. I too am taken aback by Skydiving death's. Sandy's reely got to me but I
kept
quite. The fact thut an AAD may huv saved
her and she didn't have one kinda botthered
me also. Who' worse me ot the people that
try to talk Skydivers outta buying and
using a cypress? Its all about values I rukun
Death overtakes all of us but it's sed the
good die young, I dunno maybe thut why
I old. Felt for the Gonzales girl too.
She was young and nobody wuz apparently
looking after her on the DZ. ;-* snuffy
LinZWalley
goes out to the good people of Kapowsin, and to friends and family of those
injured and killed.
Uncloudy Days....
Lindsey
Lynn Beckhorn
> anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,000
> posts????
>
> Elaine
> D-7863
>
Yes
Lynn
SKY...@ix.netcom.com
ede...@pipermar.com wrote:
> show at least one face down
> > > Tandem landing. ;-) snuffy
>
> > Go fuck yourself Snuffy. I've watched you clog up this newsgroup for
> > months with your bullshit. Go over to rec.inbred.assholes and clog up
> > their group with your fucking useless dribble.
> > Jim Crouch
> >
>
> I second that emotion!! The amount of callousness exhibited on the newsgroup
> is second only to the amount of stupidity exhibited here!
>
> Snuffy has posted 2,092 times to this group over the past year or so. Does
> anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,000
> posts????
>
> Elaine
> D-7863
>
>
Yes! He said he was out of here. It was a lovely two weeks!
BS,
Stay Safe,
Martin.
--
"Never confuse movement with action". Ernest Hemingway
Haig
>TooyT wrote:
>> I find the news service unbelievable. Watched it on T.V this morning, as the
>> reporter announced it, the video showed
>> solo skydivers missing their flare point
>> and making ass to grass landing's. Didn't
>> show any Tandems at all. No interviews
>> of USPA doolybops are nuttin. Skydiving
>> needs a P.R. Branch. Yew know spin
>> doctors that cun allso be honest with the
>> Tandem landing. ;-) snuffy
>Go fuck yourself Snuffy. I've watched you clog up this newsgroup for
>months with your bullshit. Go over to rec.inbred.assholes and clog up
>their group with your fucking useless dribble.
>Jim Crouch
Christ Jim! Pull whatever it is that died, out of your ass & read his post.
I think Snuff has a good point. Does USPA have a PR branch? I think that
showing a "normal" tandem landing for a 220# guy on a no-wind day, might not
be what is needed, but I'm not a spin-doctor.
and anyway, snuffs posts wouldn't be considered useless dribble on
rec.inbred.assholes (I think it's actually an alt group)
If you don't want to read snuffys posts, learn about kill files.
--
Rob
TooyT
>Date: 8/10/98 Wrote:
>ede...@pipermar.com wrote:
>
>> show at least one face down
>> > > Tandem landing. ;-) snuffy
>>
>> > Go fuck yourself Snuffy. I've watched you clog up this newsgroup for
>> > months with your bullshit. Go over to rec.inbred.assholes and clog up
>> > their group with your fucking useless dribble.
>> > Jim Crouch
>> >
>>
>> I second that emotion!! The amount of callousness exhibited on the
>newsgroup
>> is second only to the amount of stupidity exhibited here!
>>
>> Snuffy has posted 2,092 times to this group over the past year or so. Does
>> anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,000
>> posts????
>>
>> Elaine
>> D-7863
>>
>>
>
> Yes! He said he was out of here. It was a lovely two weeks!
>
>BS,
>Stay Safe,
>
>Martin.
***********************************
Ha ha brave ole Martin typical, come out
to attack the old Lion when the pack begins
to mob him. Put yer false teeth in it mutt help
Buncha focking emotional wussy's. ;-P snuffy
Steve Carmichael-Timson
ede...@pipermar.com wrote in message <6qn8hn$v2p$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> show at least one face down
>> > Tandem landing. ;-) snuffy
>
>> Go fuck yourself Snuffy. I've watched you clog up this newsgroup for
>> months with your bullshit. Go over to rec.inbred.assholes and clog up
>> their group with your fucking useless dribble.
>> Jim Crouch
>>
>
>I second that emotion!! The amount of callousness exhibited on the
newsgroup
>is second only to the amount of stupidity exhibited here!
>
>Snuffy has posted 2,092 times to this group over the past year or so. Does
>anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,000
>posts????
>
Who is Snuffy?
Steve
Garold Crandall
>
>Snuffy has posted 2,092 times to this group over the past year or so.
Does
>anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,
000
>posts????
>
>D-7863
Yes, I can remember more than a few. Maybe Snuffy doesn't but it the way
you would like but I think he puts it the way it is. I can remember his
posts, somehow I cannot remember any of yours. Maybe you could take a
lesson from him.
Glen, in Atlanta.
Rhonda Bailey
that posts about the most important things always end up being just a bunch
of noise about who posted what and why and who is offended by what someone
else says or someone thinks that something someone else posted is irrelevant
and so on and so on and by the time you get to the end of the thread, the
important meaning of the original post gets lost in the all the noise.
Anyway, my husband and I moved to WA from VA in February and have since made
Kapowsin our home DZ. We have been in shock over the events of this weekend
as have everyone else at Kapowsin.
Let's remember what is important here. Two people have lost their lives.
One doing what he loved to do and the other trying it for the first time.
Two other people have been seriously injured but both will pull through.
This not only effects emotionally the people who jump at Kapowsin and who
knew these people personally but everyone who loves this sport or who shows
an interest in participating in the sport in the future. Instead of
bickering shouldn't we focus our energy on saying prayers for those who are
gone and their families and for the speedy recovery of those injured; not to
mention the safety of skydivers and future skydivers all over the world?
Sorry for rambling. Just needed to vent. It's been a rough morning and I
have been hit with more stupid Whuffo questions than I can handle and seeing
this thread of posts put me over the edge.
Blue Skies and God Bless you Robert and David.
Get well soon Russ and Alison.
You are all in our prayers.
kleggo
> ede...@pipermar.com wrote:
[snip]
> > Snuffy has posted 2,092 times to this group over the past year or so.
Does
> > anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over
2,000
> > posts????
> >
> > Elaine
> > D-7863
well............... yes.
several weeks ago i saw a thread that got my hopes up concerning he was
outta here.
too bad it wasn't permanent.
kleggo
Jim Crouch
reply from someone I always skip over. Unfortunately I read the post
before I read the authors name and I couldn't take it anymore. There's
been way too much bad news lately and the last thing needed was a
smart-ass reply from somebody who wouldn't know what to do with a drogue
release handle if their life depended on it. Take care.
Jim
TooyT
> We have been in shock over the events of this weekend
>as have everyone else at Kapowsin.
************************************
My condolances, repack and jump as soon as you can. ;-* snuffy
TooyT
>ede...@pipermar.com wrote in message <6qn8hn$v2p$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> show at least one face down
>>> > Tandem landing. ;-) snuffy
>> The amount of callousness exhibited on the
>newsgroup
>>is second only to the amount of stupidity exhibited here!
>>
>>Snuffy has posted 2,092 times to this group over the past year or so. Does
>>anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,000
>>posts????
>>
>
>Who is Snuffy?
>
>Steve
************************************
Heh heh gud one Steve. Thut impress's me
more thun all the anal ass crock tears in
the world. Uk huh? glad to see a Ray of
Britt humor on the Ng. Speaking of burying
the ded, I wonder if any of the crybabies sent
money to help the NOK of the student
bury the bod? Shit all I sed wuz where was
the face down Tandem Video. One wud think
a U.S. News service cud cop sum, blues tew
ewe kid. ;-) snuffy
Rhonda Lea
>bickering shouldn't we focus our energy on saying prayers for those who are
>gone and their families and for the speedy recovery of those injured; not to
>mention the safety of skydivers and future skydivers all over the world?
That's not bickering. That's just a lot of confused people trying to understand
what happened, because no one can believe you got hit like that twice in 24
hours.
For those I dare to speak for, we're thinking of you...and those of us who
pray, are praying for you...
Rhonda Lea Kirk
Hightstown, NJ
609.443.3155
____________________
The only thing that makes life worth living is the willingness to
risk everything. Unless you risk everything, you don't have a life.
Roger Payne
Rhonda Lea
Whups! That's what I wrote, but that was before I saw what the thread had
turned into.
Jeez, Jim. I understand you're upset and it gives you a place to rest your
anger, but jeez.... Read again what Snuffy wrote. As to the rest of his
critics...
I disagree with your assessment.
And if you don't like him, even AOL has a kill file function.
rl
Duksnarow
>klnow you like to get a lid off folks but not under that headline.
im not sure what he said to get everyone all pissed off.
didnt seem to be anything uncouth just said uspa should have a pr branch.
oh well im sure he can take care of himself
- Mark Elenbaas
http://members.aol.com/Duksnarow/index.html
home DZ.: Skydive Hastings, Hastings Michigan 616-948-2665
Jim Crouch
wrong type of footage. And there should be some type of media control
for these things. But showing a face down tandem landing wouldn't make
any sense either. And that guy needs to go back to English class oro
learn to type or something!
Not that my original response had any decent language either.
Jim
Duksnarow
>anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,000
>posts????
yes
Duksnarow
>switch to the Irish Wake ceremony if
>they wanna honor their ded
just give me a 3 cessna flyby and a toast.
Llamafeeder
>>I
>>klnow you like to get a lid off folks but not under that headline.
>
>im not sure what he said to get everyone all pissed off.
>didnt seem to be anything uncouth just said uspa should have a pr branch.
>oh well im sure he can take care of himself
>
>
>
> - Mark Elenbaas
>http://members.aol.com/Duksnarow/index.html
>
>home DZ.: Skydive Hastings, Hastings Michigan 616-948-2665
from the mouths of babes..well said Mark.
Ken Finlayson
to imply to the tandem students that... This will be the time of your
life... that the landings are like stepping off a brick... sure, you sign
your life away when you sign up, but, that will never happen to you.
Skydiving is great... try it.... look at the statistics, you are more likely
to die driving to the drop zone then you are to die during the jump.
But, there are probably just as many face plant landings as there are stand
up landings, and people do die during tandems.
On Saturday, a friend of mine who I work with made his first tandem jump
about an hour before the first fatality happened at Kapowsin. I don't think
that I would be able to live myself if he was the one who went in.
I am happy to say though, that he still plans on continueing to skydive. He
knows that there are risks, but to him, it is worth it. I have sent him
links to the unofficial fatalities page, so he can study what causes
fatilities, and so he can learn from them.
If you do a tandem jump, you may have a perfect stand-up landing. Or, you
can die from a malfuction. In between that, you can have a painful face
surf landing.
IMHO, I think that that was what snuffy was trying to say. That the media
has a tendency to show the extremes. Look... here's a picture of someone
having a perfect landing... and here are pictures after someone goes in.
The events that happened at Kapowsin this weekend look really bad on our
sport. It screams that, they didn't learn their lesson, they kept on doing
it and someone else died. The local news right now is calling kapowsin air
sports KAPOWsin, because when you go there, you go KAPOW.
This doesn't help anyone. We need to portray skydiving in a positive maner,
and at the same time letting the public know what the risks are.
Personally, I want to introduce my friends to the world of flight. But
flying is not alway pretty. If things go wrong, it can get down right ugly.
That is why the whuffo who thinks that they can make a tandem, and they will
never be hurt is wrong. And, the congressmen trying to regulate our sport
because it is so dangerous is also wrong.
What we need is honest reporting of what happened, so we can learn from it,
and to be honest to those who we induct into the sport so they will know
what chances they are taking.
IMHO, to do anything more or less would be irresponsible.
Jim Crouch wrote in message <35CF76...@erols.com>...
Ken Finlayson
could have anticipated the second event from the first event. They were
totally separate. I was just trying to say that that was probably how the
media would pertray it. And, that the media would be wrong, just as the
media is wrong with the KAPOWsin reference.
Rhonda Lea wrote in message
<199808110144...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>>The events that happened at Kapowsin this weekend look really bad on our
>>sport. It screams that, they didn't learn their lesson, they kept on
doing
>>it and someone else died. The local news right now is calling kapowsin
air
>>sports KAPOWsin, because when you go there, you go KAPOW.
>
>I think I understand the point you were trying to make...but...
>
>What happened at Kapowsin, regardless of the stupidity of the news media,
was a
>dreadful, tragic coincidence. There was no lesson to be learned from the
first
>fatality that would've prevented the second. The second fatality, in
>particular, was not one that could have been anticipated or prevented short
of
>not jumping at all...ever.
>
>rl
Ken Finlayson
good, shouldn't be skydiving, fucked up, sheep, preppy asshole I was, so
that maybe someone could learn from the mistakes I made. I will be dead, so
you have free reign to be as cruel to me as you want. I promise I wont
haunt you.
While the whuffos don't know that there is no such thing as a perfectly good
airplane, I think that we need to know that there is no such thing as a
perfectly good skydiver. And I welcome anyone to tell me where I am fucking
up.
(can I have a pin check please?)
jumpe...@hotmail.com wrote in message <6qlj75$q12$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>News stations in Spokane are reporting the death of a tandem passenger
today
>in Kapowsin. This follows the death yesterday in a separate incident of a
>tandem instructor. No names have been relased in either incident.
>
>Today's report is that at 200-300 feet, the pair encountered a thermal or
wind
>shear which collapsed the left side of the canopy, and they spiraled in.
>Instructor is in hospital, and the 23 yr. old passenger died.
>
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Ken Finlayson
but, I have a lot to learn about skydiving, and I hope to learn it while I
am alive. But if my fuck ups can keep someone else from bouncing, then I
hope that someone has the balls to say... "Hey... Ken fucked up... it's sad
he is dead, but, DON'T do this...".
TooyT wrote in message <199808110249...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>>From: "Ken Finlayson" <ga...@nwlink.com>
>Wrote:
>>If I ever go in, can you promise me that you will tell everyone what a no
>>good, shouldn't be skydiving, fucked up, sheep, preppy asshole I was, so
>>that maybe someone could learn from the mistakes I made. I will be dead,
so
>>you have free reign to be as cruel to me as you want.
>***********************************
>Are ewe admitting to all this kid or is it jus
>a flame? ;-* snuffy
>
>
Mike Spurgeon
<snip>
> But showing a face down tandem landing wouldn't make
> any sense either.
Depends on how you mean it. I have 2846 tandem landings, and one
of them several years ago was almost exactly like the collapse
that resulted in a fatality in Kapowsin. If *anyone* thinks
tandems are 'just another parachute jump', they might want to
watch some of the less controlled landings to keep in touch with
reality. I've taken my share of 80 year olds and paraplegics, in
addition to those just wanting to get their feet wet as well as
those seriously interested in continuing with the sport, and
every one of them was informed ahead of time that they could die
or be seriously injured on that particular jump.
> And that guy needs to go back to English class oro
> learn to type or something!
If this is truly your opinion, then you show more than a little
ignorance of what it is Snuffy does here. His command of the
language (not just English) is better than most, as is his
ability to 'massage it' to his purpose.
His understanding of the realities of life exceeds that of most
of us.
> Not that my original response had any decent language either.
This I agree with...
bs
Mike Spurgeon
john berntsen
Ja tink the media gonna be objective? Where ya
been?...Contraversy...outta context quotes..sensationlism...,thats the
name of their game..any thing that sells to the whuffos. But then you
musta known that. It.s not exclusivve to skydiving coverage. It's
something all areanas of endevor are subject to and most are aware and
not suprised by it. How cum u r ?
The world don't have the answer to their coverage but takes it wit a
grain of salt (considering the source).
I Like the Irish wake thing and your gutty realism
sounds like ya ben there done it.
Iv'e just been surfin this group 4 bout 2 weeksB 4 I put my 2 cents
worth in...jumped back in 63 @ Ft Lewis, only made enuf 4 a A licence 4
my discharge and was thinken bout gettin back into it.
I'll give the group a few perceptions as I see them as someone thats
been out of it for a looooong time.
Don't take yourselves too seriously..too much 1 upmanship in the
posts..expend your eloquence toward helping the newbes..not in personal
duels mongst the experienced.
Death is gonna hapen, respect it..learn from it..dont let pride/egos
fodder your posts.
Nuff said snuff,
Iron Dog
Blueskies
but when we
> are talking about people dying it would be wiser thing for you to refrain.
Interesting--very interesting... Maybe all of you folks getting mad at
Snuffy ought to go back and look at the post made about the girl that
fell out of her harness. Alot of love and caring came out of the post!
It seems like it is okay for some people to joke about death, but not
for others.
God forbid if you ask for the details about the death... Then you are
insenative or cruel. I have never met anyone upon hearing about
someones death, didn't ask how they died. It is just human nature.
I don't joke about death in skydiving, but I can't control anyone else.
So I don't get my panties in a wad about it.
Jonofun
the dead. Learning from the experience is not only okay it is necessary to this
sports evolution but when it is just a blind comment of amusement or for
someone elses amusement it is the deemed to be in very bad taste. Now that is
interesting.
Robert Mahaffey Z-Airtime
Jonofun
that it was just something I thought I out to say.
Robert Mahaffey Z-Airtime
TooyT
>
>>>I
>>>klnow you like to get a lid off folks but not under that headline.
>>
>>im not sure what he said to get everyone all pissed off.
>>didnt seem to be anything uncouth just said uspa should have a pr branch.
>>oh well im sure he can take care of himself
>>
>>home DZ.: Skydive Hastings, Hastings Michigan 616-948-2665
>from the mouths of babes..well said Mark.
Hows yer ole lady doing Mark? Heerd she
broke sumthang in a landing. I think the video
question shook most people up but apparently
JC, SKYEYE & a few others are pissed
about all my posts. heh heh Sheep Ranchers
never like Coyote's anyway. And I cunt
help jubeing people. The news on the
Accident wuz on T.V. down heer in Texas.
It just occured to me the USPA shud form
Emergency Response Teams, yew know
an I&E to fly in to investigate along with
a P.R. type to handle the Press releases
or at least to git them a Video of a Tandem
insta Video of a bunch of no flare skydivers
sliding in on their ass. blues tew yew Yankee
boy. ;-P snuffy
TooyT
I doan remember yew flaming me. My balls
is asbestos may be I didn't feel it. It wuz
mainly sheepboys carrying a grudge about
my posting style and they are using sumone's death fer a platform to rile up a
lynch mob. Both are D rated but apparently they ain't cum to grips with the
death endorcement yet, I
doan understand why thay so emotional,
hell I'll help them build the gallows. ;-) snuffy
Rhonda Lea
Duksnarow
>broke sumthang in a landing
she be sittin on the couch with a brok tib.
let a toggle slip on her flare
. I think the video
>question shook most people up but apparently
>JC, SKYEYE & a few others are pissed
>about all my posts.
i feel bad for those involved but it doesnt seem like somthing to get pissed
at people over. it doesnt help anyone.
- Mark Elenbaas
TooyT
>can die from a malfuction. In between that, you can have a painful face
>surf landing.
No shit if thar wuz a big tandem day going on
I wud allways shuk my rig whun I hit the ground and stand by to pull a
brakeline in
for the TM, focking kids wud cum in slide
face down in the grass and git up holding
bloody noses laffing their ass off. It gave
me great joy to see a kid cum thru like that.
Course most of the time the TM tryed to
lay it off on the kid but shit those tall kids
and little runty ass TM's its gotta happen.
Thats jus skydiving, shit happens Ohhmmmm
it's how a kid handles it thut shows class.
I jus twisted jus thinking about showithe publix the joy of a survived
fock-up. ;)
J.C. Wrote:
>But showing a face down tandem landing wouldn't make
***********************************
Well sheepboy I was thinking of a perfect
TM video. After all we keep the bad video
around fer ourselves to laff at doan we?
AND
1. A English Don tole me, any english thut
cun be understood is valid english.
2. The Italians are learning English by
studying my grammer and speling.
3. I think a whole lotta pupple understand
my english ewe jus gotta be les anal
to understand. ;-* snuffy
TooyT
Wrote:
> I think the video
>>question shook most people up but apparently
>>JC, SKYEYE & a few others are pissed
>>about all my posts.
>
>i feel bad for those involved but it doesnt seem like somthing to get pissed
>at people over. it doesnt help anyone.
She gonna jump again?
Yer ratt I doan think gitting pissed specially
at me, does any good. All my ex-wives
and girlfrinds tried thut and thay gone,
I still here, same old coyote or Old Disgusting
PIG! depends on who telling the story. ;-) snuffy
TooyT
bruc...@bestonline.net
rhon...@aol.com (Rhonda Lea) wrote:
> >Instead of
> >bickering shouldn't we focus our energy on saying prayers for those who are
> >gone and their families and for the speedy recovery of those injured; not to
> >mention the safety of skydivers and future skydivers all over the world?
>
> That's not bickering. That's just a lot of confused people trying to
understand
> what happened, because no one can believe you got hit like that twice in 24
> hours.
>
> For those I dare to speak for, we're thinking of you...and those of us who
> pray, are praying for you...
>
> Rhonda Lea Kirk
>
DITTO
TooyT
a sheep pissed at the Coyote's
Sheepboy wrote:
>> And that guy needs to go back to English class oro
>> learn to type or something!
>If this is truly your opinion, then you show more than a little
>ignorance of what it is Snuffy does here. His command of the
>language (not just English) is better than most, as is his
>ability to 'massage it' to his purpose.
>
>His understanding of the realities of life exceeds that of most
>of us.
>
>> Not that my original response had any decent language either.
>
>This I agree with...
>
>bs
>Mike Spurgeon
Whut? A fine upstanding conservative S&TA
standing in defense of the outlaw of bad
speling, taste and sheep chasing. Must
be a POP's thing huh, I used to think it wuz
a skydiving thing but the skydivers huv
changed in the U.S. of A ;-* snuffy still out
here fanning the flames. ;-)
LOWPULL1K
the familes of the skydivers that did not make it ........but to the people
that alway blame and have a simpe answer to every question wake up most that
post to the deaths in skydiving have no exp in teaching or jumping with someone
straped to the front of you. If you know so much about the subjects why dont
you do them. Most Instructors i know teach because they love the sport, some
do it for the money but no instructor i ever met wanted to hurt anyone. Most
want to promote the sport and risk their lives and increase there stress level
to let or teach other people to skydive and for what 25 or 35 bucks for a
tandem and 5 for a s/l student and nothing for just helping. If you think most
do it for the money your wrong they love it like you . i saw sunffy write
about the Gonzales death no one was watching out for her well that is just a
cheap shot at those people that where teaching her it was over she was off
student status and to blame others for a mistake she made is stupied does he
know what happened no just guessing like most if you want to know what happened
ask most will tell but start a new thread about that instead of posting on
someone death
MICHAEL SHANNON
LOWPULL1K
skydiving group death post i sure hope i dont go in on this NG
MICHAEL SHANNON
"dogstar@...@michiana.net
> anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over > 2,000
> posts????
>
> D-7863
He usually says something worthwhile. You just have to read between the
cowboy-speak.
Jeff
74022...@compuserve.com
Lynn Beckhorn <lbec...@capjack.com> wrote:
> > Snuffy has posted 2,092 times to this group over the past year or so. Does
> > anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,000
> > posts????
> >
I agree with Lynn on her answer of "yes". Get over the "Snuffy Stuffy". If
you don't like his (her?) posts, don't read them. If you do read them well,
the "sticks and stones may . . . " phrase comes to mind. Words have only the
significance you give them, if you don't like what you read, don't rise to the
situation. Snuffy, "you go girl (boy?)". Also as I said I agreed with Lynn,
there are many valid points to the Snuffy posts.
TooyT
>In article <35CED21B...@capjack.com>,
> Lynn Beckhorn <lbec...@capjack.com> wrote:
>> > Snuffy has posted 2,092 times to this group over the past year or
>so. Does
>> > anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,000
>> > posts????
>> >
>
>I agree with Lynn on her answer of "yes". Get over the "Snuffy Stuffy". If
>you don't like his (her?) posts, don't read them. If you do read them well,
>the "sticks and stones may . . . " phrase comes to mind. Words have only the
>significance you give them, if you don't like what you read, don't rise to
>the
>situation. Snuffy, "you go girl (boy?)". Also as I said I agreed with Lynn,
>there are many valid points to the Snuffy posts.
***********************************
Damn, the way she wuz going on about 2,000
post there I thought she wud award me a
diamond wing fer posting. ;-P snuffy
Rhonda Lea
>here fanning the flames. ;-)
Before you go getting too full of yourself, just remember that the women can
still kick your ass. ;)
Love,
rl
Duksnarow
of course
LinZWalley
SkyDj1
>diamond wing fer posting. ;-P snuffy
You are a diamond snuff..just still in the rough.
keep posting babe..besides, your a good
target for my monthly PMS posts!!
Monique
TooyT
Wrote:
No doubt but its gitting better, they used to
take all my kids and money ;-P snuff
TooyT
***********************************
Damn girl I thought ewe went to Quincy,
Whut ewe got a Laptop? ;-* snuffy
SkyDj1
>still kick your ass. ;)
>
>Love,
>rl
>
>
HeeeeHeeeeeeeee...Thats right Snuff..
Beware the Bitches..we WlLL hurt you
if you piss us off!! ( my mama would use
the soap if she read this!)
;)
Monique
SkyDj1
>Whut ewe got a Laptop? ;-* snuffy
>
Leaving tomorrow (wed) ..and I'm going crazy waiting it out!!
;)
Monique
ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com
"Ken Finlayson" <ga...@nwlink.com> wrote:
[snip]
> We need to portray skydiving in a positive manner,
Why?
[snip]
> Personally, I want to introduce my friends to the world of flight.
[snip]
Is this why?
Kevin O'Connell
SplatZ
ede...@pipermar.com wrote:
> Snuffy has posted 2,092 times to this group over the past year or so. Does
> anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,000
> posts????
>
YES !
In Italy we have a special fan-fun-club named "go snuffy kick that ass-sheep" :-)
Mjmoor
more than we participate in the NG. You express, with humor and candor,
thoughts and ideas that many of us relate to and agree with.
Your critics seem to be too full of themselves and too narrow-minded to see the
wisdom in your contributions.
Accidents and death are part of skydiving. They're part of life. You can
grieve, cry and mourn, console the family and friends....but then move on.
Let's try to savor the
memories and learn from the mistakes.
mj
TooyT
***********************************
Dang SplatZ I believe the sheep huv
bunched up on the Coyote and are kicking
his ass. ;-) Chow bella pie-zon-oh, tutti a posta
TooyT
>Date: Wrote:
>thoughts and ideas that many of us relate to and agree with.
>Your critics seem to be too full of themselves and too narrow-minded to see
>the
>wisdom in your contributions.
>Accidents and death are part of skydiving. They're part of life. You can
>grieve, cry and mourn, console the family and friends....but then move on.
>Let's try to savor the
>memories and learn from the mistakes.
>mj
***********************************
Thanks pard but they may be right, my
outlook on death and peoples emotion
may be a little too cold. When my humor
gits too dry its brittle enuff to be bitter.
I am only D rated, I know their are more
highly rated people JM/I's I&E's Master riggers S&TA's even USPA Regional
Directors, Active long time jumpers on the
Ng. Why they doan kick more ass I doan
understand. Well shit my ole ass will prolly
be the first to git kicked, now I gonna
hide ;-) snuffy cun allways hope he is in their kill software or more probably
they got
full time jobs to work ;-P El Coyotee
Rhonda Bailey
ticked off. Have you ever been to Kapowsin?
They have always had an impecable safety record in the 19 years they have
been in business. Much better than a lot of other DZ's around the country.
What happened was just a weird twist of fate.
Ken Finlayson wrote in message <6qo8po$ebb$1...@texas.nwlink.com>...
>I am sorry, I just re-read my message. I didn't mean to imply that they
>could have anticipated the second event from the first event. They were
>totally separate. I was just trying to say that that was probably how the
>media would pertray it. And, that the media would be wrong, just as the
>media is wrong with the KAPOWsin reference.
>
>
>Rhonda Lea wrote in message
><199808110144...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
Slick Brick
Ken Finlayson wrote:
The events that happened at Kapowsin this weekend look really bad on our
sport. It screams that, they didn't learn their lesson, they kept on doing
it and someone else died. The local news right now is calling kapowsin air
sports KAPOWsin, because when you go there, you go KAPOW.
I hate it when people die in this sport, but that's actually pretty funny.....
skip
Haig
Rhonda Lea <rhon...@aol.com> wrote:
>(someone else wrote) [forgot to check my attributions]
>>The events that happened at Kapowsin this weekend look really bad on our
>>sport. It screams that, they didn't learn their lesson, they kept on doing
>>it and someone else died. The local news right now is calling kapowsin air
>>sports KAPOWsin, because when you go there, you go KAPOW.
>
>
>What happened at Kapowsin, regardless of the stupidity of the news media, was a
>dreadful, tragic coincidence. There was no lesson to be learned from the first
>fatality that would've prevented the second. The second fatality, in
>particular, was not one that could have been anticipated or prevented short of
>not jumping at all...ever.
>
>rl
You know that.
I know that.
Everyone else on this newsgroup knows that.
It's the damn media that is the problem.
I think the point of the post you replied to was just that. The events say
one thing to us, the educated minority, and scream another to the great
unwashed masses.
I think that is what you understood from the post.
--
Rob
Haig
Dany Brooks
>
> >I
> >klnow you like to get a lid off folks but not under that headline.
>
> im not sure what he said to get everyone all pissed off.
> didnt seem to be anything uncouth just said uspa should have a pr branch.
> oh well im sure he can take care of himself
>
> - Mark Elenbaas
> http://members.aol.com/Duksnarow/index.html
>
> home DZ.: Skydive Hastings, Hastings Michigan 616-948-2665
>
>
>
USPA does have a PR branch and they speak to the press every single day.
I'm it.
If anyone has any questions, please feel free to contact me at
703-836-3495 x301 (or press 8 to get me directly from 9-5 ET), or
da...@netwiz.net
Dany Brooks
Director of Communications, USPA
Diver Bill
that a lot of people probably can't understand a damn thing you are trying
to say most of the time, and therefore perhaps they misunderstand you. Your
sentence structure and spelling are absolutely horrible (sorry I'm so
blunt). I suspect you do that on purpose to possibly make yourself seem
more unique in a sea of endless and faceless NG responders... to make
yourself stand out more or something. Whatever your reasoning may be, I've
given up trying to interpret your messages awhile back. But it doesn't
bother me that you post. Most of the time I just skip your messages.
TooyT wrote in message <199808111502...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
Wulfe
>
> >
> >Snuffy has posted 2,092 times to this group over the past year or so.
> Does
> >anyone remember him saying anything worthwhile in any of these over 2,
> 000
> >posts????
> >
> >D-7863
>
> Yes, I can remember more than a few. Maybe Snuffy doesn't but it the way
> you would like but I think he puts it the way it is. I can remember his
> posts, somehow I cannot remember any of yours. Maybe you could take a
> lesson from him.
>
> Glen, in Atlanta.
I think a lot of people could take some lessons
from him. The odd thing about Snuff's posting
style is that despite the screwy grammar and
spelling he packs more meaning into fewer words
than most could even dream of. Between the jokes
and rough language is usually hidden a bit of
wisdom that we could all use. It's a rough
world, sometimes it takes a rough sense of humor
to deal with it, to each their own... if you
apply your own interpretation to someone else's
words, be prepared to take it wrong. For some,
a crude joke is a cruelty, for others, it's a
way of showing respect and sorrow. Don't assume
everyone thinks the way you do... I promise you
won't be right.
nathan
n...@mail.bmu.com (reverse bmu to mail)
BaseBarbie
commentary. To understand his style of speech, you have to let go of your
preconceived ideas of grammar and spelling and just let the phonetics roll out
of your mouth. You'll be surprised at what you "hear" then. His method of
communication is quite analogous to his messages.
Don't lie low, snuffy. Some of us can still appreciate the beauty of the wild
coyote who is as true to his nature as nature intended.
Keep calling 'em like ya see em!
Kelly
Ken Finlayson
exemplifed in this post from the MSNBC BBS concerning this incident:
<<If you don't understand the laws of " GRAVITY " then
there isn't much to comment on . If these people are
STUPID enough to jump out to of a perfectly GOOD airplane
then so be it . Just shove em off to the side and watch
for the next one .>>
<<I've never been more serious . All these thrill seekers
take the same chances and who pays for all these jerks
that get stuck on mountains or the medical bills they
rack up ? I see these people almost every day on the
news . Yes I feel sorry for people that are in an accident
or victimized by crime or natural disasters but thrillseekers,,,,,NOT !>>
This is how some people are reacting to these trageties.
(I think that the biggest laugh I got out of this person's posts was the
"perfectly good airplane" remark. I honestly have never heard anyone say
that before.)
ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote in message
<6qpkjp$7ji$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
Scott Schnabel
Scott
Rhonda Lea Kirk
> >She gonna jump again?
>
> of course
And then, Snuffy, she's going to hold you down while I whup your butt. And
when I'm done whupping it, she's gonna whup it too.
___
Rhonda Lea Kirk Wish not so much to live long
Hightstown, NJ as to live well.
(609) 443-3155 Benjamin Franklin
Rita
> i saw sunffy write
> about the Gonzales death no one was watching out for her well that is just a
> cheap shot at those people that where teaching her it was over she was off
> student status and to blame others for a mistake she made is stupied
Michael, no one is blaming others for what happened to her. Believe me, I am
well aware that instructors do this for the love of the sport. Some of the
time those instructors spent with me ... time before the jump ... time that
they were in no way being compensated for ... taught me that lesson long ago.
They invested that time in me because they saw how hard I was trying, and how
difficult this was coming. They saw my love of the sport reflected in their
own ... and they wanted to help.
I think what Snuff was probably trying to say in the case of the Gonzales
girl is that someone ... not necessarily an instructor ... should have been
watching her back ... just like all of us should watch each other's back ...
on every single load. This poor soul had only 20 jumps. What? Just because
she cleared student status, does that mean that someone plugged an "instant
all-knowing knowledge" cartridge into her brain. She was still learning ...
just as we are all still learning ... from the newbie to the 10,000 jump
Skygod. And especially as a newbie ... she was certainly very prone to
making mistakes ... a mistake that anyone of us could make.
I still say ... her death was an especially tragic one ... simply because it
could have been easily prevented ... prevented by any skydiver ... not
necessarily by an instructor or an S&TA or a jm. Any skydiver could have
looked at her ... even said "yo, you dumb bitch ... fix that chest strap!"
But, no one did ... and that's the tragedy.
I agree with Snuff ... while she screwed up ... no question ... her fellow
jumpers dropped the ball too.
Blue ones!
--rita
dog...@michiana.net
> Accidents and death are part of skydiving. They're part of life. You can
> grieve, cry and mourn, console the family and friends....but then move on.
And laugh. I'm no psychologist or philosopher like Snuffy, but I've
never been to a wake where everyone didn't laugh their asses off.
Something tells me it's the way humans express grief, part of the
healing process, so to speak.
Keep the funny shit coming, Snuf. If you quit posting, I quit reading.
Blue skies,
Jeff
Harju, Mark A
"Beware, dear son of my heart, lest in thy new-found power thou seekest
even the gates of Olympus . . . . These wings may bring thy freedom but
may also come thy death."
-- Daedalus to Icarus, after teaching his son to use his new wings of
wax and feathers.
S.I.M.
>>sport. It screams that, they didn't learn their lesson, they kept on
doing
>>it and someone else died. The local news right now is calling kapowsin
air
>>sports KAPOWsin, because when you go there, you go KAPOW.
>
>I think I understand the point you were trying to make...but...
>
>What happened at Kapowsin, regardless of the stupidity of the news media,
was a
>dreadful, tragic coincidence. There was no lesson to be learned from the
first
>fatality that would've prevented the second. The second fatality, in
>particular, was not one that could have been anticipated or prevented short
of
>not jumping at all...ever.
>
>rl
Hey, are we flaming Snuffy to a crisp or what? All this gum flapping has
nothing to do with the thread it is under. Snap out of it and get to work at
him ; -)
Rhonda Lea
>coyote who is as true to his nature as nature intended.
Especially clever is the "coyote" business, because he is indeed a lone wolf
tilting at windmills.
Duksnarow
>highly rated people JM/I's I&E's Master riggers S&TA's even USPA Regional
>Directors, Active long time jumpers on the
>Ng. Why they doan kick more ass I doan
>understand.
p-o-l-i-t-ic-s
Duksnarow
>I'm it.
see in a matter of days our uspa has responded to the cayoteee call and formed
a pr branch. lol
im sure your job is a real pain in the ass. i wouldnt want it.
actually i dont really care what the public thinks, as long as skydiving doesnt
get regulated more than it is.
i cant explain it to freinds let alone the press.
Liv4alti2d
>about the Gonzales death no one was watching out for her well that is just a
>cheap shot at those people
All snuffy was saying was that other people on the ground and in the plane
should have been checking her gear.
Everybody in the plane is your "teammate", brother, and sister -- they are your
responsibility to some degree.
I hope your screen name is not indicative of safety practices?
Blue Skies
Jerry
Jumpnfun1
>take the same chances and who pays for all these jerks
>that get stuck on mountains or the medical bills they
>rack up ? I see these people almost every day on the
>news . Yes I feel sorry for people that are in an accident
>or victimized by crime or natural disasters but thrillseekers,,,,,NOT !>>
>
>This is how some people are reacting to these trageties.
>
>(I think that the biggest laugh I got out of this person's posts was the
>"perfectly good airplane" remark. I honestly have never heard anyone say
>that before.)
>
>ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote in message
><6qpkjp$7ji$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>In article <6qo5u8$bvo$1...@texas.nwlink.com>,
>> "Ken Finlayson" <ga...@nwlink.com> wrote:
>>[snip]
>>> We need to portray skydiving in a positive manner,
>>
>> Why?
>>
>>[snip]
>>> Personally, I want to introduce my friends to the world of flight.
>>[snip]
>>
>> Is this why?
>>
>>
>> Kevin O'Connell
>>
Who pays all the medical bills? We do. We have no medical ins., so my last jump
was rather costly. Oh well.
I think the "whuffos" out there who judge us should remember all the accidents
from any other sport. They are much more commen than those from skydiving.
Sue E.
"And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned
skyward, for there you have been, and there you long to return"
Leonardo Da Vinci
LOWPULL1K
they didnt do you know what happened or does he. do you check everyone on your
load or do you let someone else do it? For if you do by your suggestion
anything that went wrong would be your fault
MICHAEL SHANNON
TooyT
>Keep the funny shit coming, Snuf. If you quit posting, I quit reading.
>
>Blue skies,
>Jeff
***********************************
Well shit kid the wuss sheep is a quitting sheep. I never quit this computer
jus focks
up my sleep pattern so I go off and sleep
36 hours or so. Besides Coyote's are allwuys
around. ewe may not see them or hear em
howling but even in the Burbs thay run
out and kill a poddle or bite a jogger once
in a while. I jus happen to huv a taste fer
Skydiving sheep. and the anal smell of
eddycated sheep who doan huv quick
mines or quick enuff minds to red my shit.
Yuh I a Anti-hero Coyote, yuh huh the
Eli Wallace of Coyote's ;-P snuffy
TooyT
>It's a sad day...
>
>"Beware, dear son of my heart, lest in thy new-found power thou seekest
>even the gates of Olympus . . . . These wings may bring thy freedom but
>may also come thy death."
>-- Daedalus to Icarus, after
***********************************
Nahhhh Skydiving sheep need to read more
Shakespear or Tolstory. To thine own
self be true yabba dabba dew. ;-P Snuff
TooyT
Wrote:
Ewe know I ben studying Mike Shannon
at first I thunk he wuz a leedle tooo
Passive/Aggresive but I went bak and
red all hiz shit in Deja. He has sum gud
idea's he jus needs to wuk on emotion
control. and he ned to learn to spel too
ha ha ha ha ha heh heh ;-P snuffy
Rhonda Lea
>Yuh I a Anti-hero Coyote, yuh huh the
>Eli Wallace of Coyote's ;-P snuffy
The Don of Coyotes, perhaps?
TooyT
***********************************doan sit on post's baby, exspress yerself
if pupple did more of thut I wud be outta
wuk cuz most of mine are jus jubbe posts
to git people to exspress tharself, cuts down
on hemoroid problems.
Don Coyote nahhhhhh I got no Pancho
to carry my lance or pick me up when
the windmill knocks me on my ass. ;-* snuffy
kim...@aol.com
>>cheap shot at those people
>All snuffy was saying was that other people on the ground and in the plane
>should have been checking her gear.
Make sure the connections are tight, air is on, all that stuff.
If something happened like that on a dive boat, someone lost their
equipment because a buckle wasn't done causing an uncontrolled
ascent resulting in embollism, you can bet everyone on that boat
would feel guilty.
-- Kim
BaseBarbie
<fsch...@neo.lrun.com> writes:
>Damn Snuff...I can feel the love here!<g>
>
>Scott
heh heh ;-)
GROUP HUG!!!!!
TooyT
>Date: 8/12/98 Wrote:
>
> Scott Schnabel
><fsch...@neo.lrun.com> writes:
>
>>Damn Snuff...I can feel the love here!<g>
>>
>>Scott
>
>heh heh ;-)
>
>GROUP HUG!!!!!
***********************************
O.K. but no men or anal females in the group.
All my life I delt with pupple who Hate me, luv me, Hate to luv me whatever.
Humans reely
focked up creatures. Kinda lakk females thut
like cats and put up wiff thar ways but won't
give a guy a break. Shoot go figure. ;-P snuffy
Slick Brick
TooyT wrote:
To thine own
self be true yabba dabba dew. ;-P Snuff
Words to live by.....
TooyT
Wrote:
>Words to live by.....
***********************************
True but Shakespear gut thar fust
and yabba dabba do belongs to my hero
Yogi bear we used it fer our exit call.
Yabba dabba do, shit thut hurt. ;-) snuffy
Harju, Mark A
to dimiss me as a "thrill-seeker" really frosts me. The media only
report the "peril", because saying "Five thousand people made it to the
summit of Mount Rainier and returned safely this year" doesn't sell
papers or buy airtime. It's sensational, screaming headlines that say
"Climbers in Peril!!!!" that makes people pay what little attention they
have before they channel-surf over to the sitcoms again. In fact, the
clown who made that MSNBC BBS post is probably some flabby,
greasy-haired, zit-faced computer programmer who's living his life
vacariously through "Star Trek" than getting his sedentary ass off the
couch and living a REAL life! So there! (Note: I'm a Trek fan, sort of).
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.
-- Cornelius Tacitus (circa AD 56 - circa AD 120)
Mark Harju
SEattle
Ken Finlayson wrote:
>
> The reason I think we need to portray skydiving in a positive manner is
> exemplifed in this post from the MSNBC BBS concerning this incident:
>
> <<If you don't understand the laws of " GRAVITY " then
> there isn't much to comment on . If these people are
> STUPID enough to jump out to of a perfectly GOOD airplane
> then so be it . Just shove em off to the side and watch
> for the next one .>>
>
> <<I've never been more serious . All these thrill seekers
> take the same chances and who pays for all these jerks
> that get stuck on mountains or the medical bills they
> rack up ? I see these people almost every day on the
> news . Yes I feel sorry for people that are in an accident
> or victimized by crime or natural disasters but thrillseekers,,,,,NOT !>>
>
> This is how some people are reacting to these trageties.
>
> (I think that the biggest laugh I got out of this person's posts was the
> "perfectly good airplane" remark. I honestly have never heard anyone say
> that before.)
>
> ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote in message
> <6qpkjp$7ji$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >In article <6qo5u8$bvo$1...@texas.nwlink.com>,
> > "Ken Finlayson" <ga...@nwlink.com> wrote:
> >[snip]
> >> We need to portray skydiving in a positive manner,
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >[snip]
> >> Personally, I want to introduce my friends to the world of flight.
> >[snip]
> >
> > Is this why?
> >
> >
> > Kevin O'Connell
> >
Peter Lucas
sky...@aol.com (SkyDj1) wrote:
**>Before you go getting too full of yourself, just remember that the women can
**>still kick your ass. ;)
**>Love,
**>rl
**HeeeeHeeeeeeeee...Thats right Snuff..
**Beware the Bitches..we WlLL hurt you
**if you piss us off!! ( my mama would use
**the soap if she read this!)
**;)
**Monique
Snuff..... you lucky bastard!!!!!
Ass kicking, soap, pain, hurt.........!!!!!
God!!, these women know how to turn us on, don't they?? ;-)
HOOOYAAAAHHH!!!!
Peter
Peter Lucas # Success isn't so difficult. #
Brisbane # Just bite off more than you can chew,#
Australia # and then go do it. #
TooyT
>Grrrrrr. I'm a mountaineer as well as a skydiver, and for that schmuck
>to dimiss me as a "thrill-seeker" really frosts me.
Ewe know kid I received a lot of training and
yew need to control yer terostatone are
channel it. Its easy to dehumantize people
Its a mind teknick thut is taught in the military
to makk it easyier fer country boys to destroy
the enemy. But the other part is emotion's
if ewe cunt control those ewe mite git
distroyed yer own self. The world class
Skydivers thut makk the grade with ordinary
abilitys are the one's thut can control
emotional flusteration or channel the energy
into the dive. Gotta be tuff, gotta be cool,
makk the enemy look lakk a fool. Gotta huv
patcince too, try to makk evar shot a cold
bore shot. ;-P snuffy