Discovery Channel Segment on Skydiver
Al
production company, which starts shooting footage soon. The story line will be
one of a skydiver, who in the process of doing a "pond swoop", breakes his neck
and the efforts of the first responders to save his life. A local camera flyer,
allegedly, also sold his footage to Discovery to document the event and
subsequent injury.
Perhaps being stupid does pay.
Splat!
"Al" <alfo...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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Perhaps this unlucky skydiver needs the money to pay some medical bills or
support his family.
Maybe he felt that showing his accident my help others participating in the
sport.
But ' Stupid ' ???
Would you say the same thing about a downhill skier,
or a dirt biker that has the same tragic accident ?
Splat!
Capt. hook
>"Al"
>A local camera flyer, allegedly, also sold >his footage to Discovery to
document the >event and subsequent injury.
>> Perhaps being stupid does pay.
>
>Perhaps this unlucky skydiver needs the money to pay some medical bills or
>support his family. Maybe he felt that >showing his accident my help others
>participating in the sport. But ' Stupid ' >???
well put, the modern USPA members have such a fukked up attitude about
skydiving
and family it makes you wonder how they jump with those wonderfull wuffo
attitudes they never manage to shake. Never thought I'd say this but you might
be lucky to be Canadian and 50 years behind modern society eh? o~;-*
"Fit Via Vi"
Cuirtan Mheadhon Oidhche
Jerry K.
Hell, Snuff made an uncontrolled face-plant into tarmac, once upon a
time, and by his account - it magically fixed his dropfoot. So, I
guess stupidity (and 40K of medical bills notwithstanding) does pay.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>time, and by his account - it magically >fixed his dropfoot. So, I
>guess stupidity (and 40K of medical bills >notwithstanding) does pay.
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
>
>
took up some slack or something...irrgardless I wuz glad to git rid of that
plastic AFO I hadda wear, it cut into my calf and velcrowing it together every
morning wuz a bitch too, ya think medicare wudda done the operation just to
cure a old stroke victims walking problems? Hell no they wud rather rent you a
wheelchair...I'm a old stepper kid not a modern day fairydiver like yew city
boys, the jump didn't kill me so far as I'm concerned it wuz a good one..
at any rate, keep paying your tax's they might put me back in the hospital for
a old age tuneup. Could go to the VA but I like to have my choice of doctors
;)P
SkydiverRick
keep paying your tax's they might put me back in the
>
>
> "Fit Via Vi"
> Cuirtan Mheadhon Oidhche
Not very cost effective.
Capt. hook
>keep paying your tax's they might put >me back in the hospital for a old age
>tuneup. ;)P
>Not very cost effective.
Just keep paying your tax's looser...I paid mine...shudda got a union withdrawl
card
wuddn't need Medicare A & B or the VA then, the down side is Hospitals see your
union and they run a buncha proceedures on yer tired old body to git that
money...Don't know about yawl but I'm pretty well fuked up by the time I git to
the hospital, don't need a buncha useless shit run on me just cuz the insurance
will pay for it,
need some dope and a rest dammit, let me sleep in peace...I wuz in a medicare
HMO when I brake that bad leg in 5 places
They left Texas...Gonna git in another one if it comes along....the Doctor
sez..."yeah and you might die because the procedure ya need ain't authorized by
the HMO & a MD ain't even on the other end making the yes or no decision.......
"Well hell doc thats what folks did in the old days when this high priced wiz
bang shit wuzzn't around....I need my rest anyway ;->
Joe Walther
"Capt. hook" <to...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> at any rate, keep paying your tax's they might put me back in the hospital
for
> a old age tuneup. Could go to the VA but I like to have my choice of
doctors
Walther responds...
Well, the testing process should be pretty fast. When they ask for a urine
and stool sample, all you have to do is hand them your skivvies. That should
save some time and money!
Walther
Capt. hook
>for
>a old age tuneup. Could go to the VA >but I like to have my choice of
>doctors
>
>
>Walther responds...
>
>Well, the testing process should be pretty fast. When they ask for a urine
>and stool sample, all you have to do is hand them your skivvies. That should
>save some time and money!
>
>
>Walther
>
>
they have hell with...the cheap skates don't wanna use a butterfly cuz its a
couple bucks more....till they gotta call security for backup that is, then the
good gear comes out....Thats why I preferer Geriatric Doctors as primary care
their wise to old folk ways and head the wippersnappers off at the pass...I
cotched a hindu needle tech doing an arterial gram thru my leg in a choke hold
with my one good arm in the Xray room and made the M'fer do the chicken
dance...he changed that bossy peckerhed it don't hurt me attitude right
quick...gad I luv to train the badassed ones in bedside manner heh o~;->
Capt. hook
>Walther responds...
>
>>>>>>>>>>snip again<<<<<<
God I luv it when ole joe's been out goofing around and comes in to see at
least
10,000 bad old bastard arguing with the whipper snapper posts up on the
ng....he prolly sez "Ah shit, I'm gonna mark this all crap read!....no wait a
minute, the Texas hooligans might be talking about me,
Ahhhhhh shit I gotta wade thru this mess and see!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA diabolicle
;-> Gooooooo Navy
bigjim
JimBo
>From: "bigjim"
>TK?????????
bingo ! we have a winner !
Jim D-10154
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
Cloud buster
Try Dr. Kevorkian; I hear he isn't too busy as of late.
Capt. hook
>
>Try Dr. Kevorkian; I hear he isn't too busy as of late.
>
>
Capt. hook
>
>Try Dr. Kevorkian; I hear he isn't too busy as of late.
>
>Cloud buster)
Nah he's a doctor for quitters, give me meds that keep me going is my
philosophy...like a old Energizer bunny
biff boom bang thump thump thump, I'm gonna kick yer sheepgod ass's and make ya
like it oooooorah ;-)
bigjim
> >TK?????????
>
> bingo ! we have a winner !
Why am I not surprised?
Jerry K.
>>Hell, Snuff made an uncontrolled face->plant into tarmac, once upon a
>>time, and by his account - it magically >fixed his dropfoot. So, I
>>guess stupidity (and 40K of medical bills >notwithstanding) does pay.
>>
>>...bsrp
>>...jlk
>>
>>
>nah the 2 plates and 12 screws they put in the tib and fib fixed that problem,
Nevermind that you very recently suggested that you were glad you
crashed and burned because it fixed your dropfoot.
>took up some slack or something...irrgardless I wuz glad to git rid of that
>plastic AFO I hadda wear, it cut into my calf and velcrowing it together every
>morning wuz a bitch too,
Whine whine whine. No pain, no gain boot.
>ya think medicare wudda done the operation just to
>cure a old stroke victims walking problems?
Whine whine whine whine whine whine!!! Yeah, you'd think they would
have - guess you didn't whine loud enough.
>Hell no they wud rather rent you a
>wheelchair...I'm a old stepper kid not a modern day fairydiver like yew city
>boys,
Yeah, that's true - we certainly don't bitch and bemoan our
circumstances near as loud, as much, and certainly not near as shrill.
>the jump didn't kill me so far as I'm concerned it wuz a good one..
But then, when you take into account what you said about it in that it
was intended to be the first of many more with the purpose of getting
back to your 125 or so/year then in that respect, it was a specatcular
failure.
>at any rate, keep paying your tax's they might put me back in the hospital for
>a old age tuneup. Could go to the VA but I like to have my choice of doctors
I could think of worse ways to have my tax dollars spent. Seems to me
that a guy squatting in a dear camp in a trailer might have to
compromise a little on which doctor does the work if he's really
interested in having a tuneup...that or sell the entertainment center.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
wrote:
>TK?????????
>
LOL!!! I've seen the video of that landing and it's pretty
spectacular. Wonder if the documentary will have any "now all better"
video of TK shooting bottle rockets out of his ass. He's a good guy
with a GREAT dropzone but I'll give hims hit about "selling out" the
next time I see him - hopefully Easter. Doing Relative Work during
the Turkey Boogie this year.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>that a guy squatting in a dear camp in a >trailer might have to
>compromise a little on which doctor does >the work if he's really
>interested in having a tuneup...that or >sell the entertainment center.
you just don't understand the system kid, ya choose yer own PCP and he manages
the specialist...up here in the VA system ya gotta go to a satalite...see a
doctor and then git sent to the VA in Houston...a long
process in yer in pain or need quick treatment...I took a buddy to Houston as a
walk in....we were there 8 hours before he saw a doctor and got a script...once
they git around to you the care seems good but fuk a bunch of waiting...I
prefer the medicare system...go in anywhere, anytime and right now...no
buracratic nightmares ;)P
Cloud buster
Bring it on, gramps. We don't pull our punches in my dojo. hehehehe
D
Capt. hook
>
>Bring it on, gramps. We don't pull our punches in my dojo. hehehehe
>
>D
wear yer little white fruit suit to the fight kid...by orenital standards yall
be dressed for a funeral! o~;-*
Tom B
"Joe Walther" <jlwal...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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He wears skivvies? Some sailor he is.
As for the VA, I have found some pretty good health care there if you go
looking for it, reasonably dressed, recently bathed, etc. I had an EMG done
there a couple of weeks ago.
Tom B
Tom B
Jerry K.
>>I'm gonna kick yer sheepgod ass's
>>
>>Bring it on, gramps. We don't pull our punches in my dojo. hehehehe
>>
>>D
>
>wear yer little white fruit suit to the fight kid...by orenital standards yall
>be dressed for a funeral! o~;-*
All bark and no bite. A little pi dog.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
I don't blame you - I'd make the same choice - that's a lot of
waiting. Still, paitence is a virtue, especially if that patience is
practiced with the achievable goal of getting a desired tuneup.
...bsrp
...jlk
Rita
medical bills have gone unpaid (no insurance) and his family is in any kind
of debt due to his possible inability to work and earn a living ... any
money Discovery pays him will quickly be attached by his creditors.
Maybe he has no choice. Maybe he has other reasons for selling his story.
As long as the story is portrayed honestly, I have no problem with it being
told by Discovery. The sport is dangerous ... we all know that ... maybe
showing his story will make some people more carefully evaluate the risks
before deciding to jump. Told truthfully, his story could make for some
damned powerful tv.
Blue skies ...
--rita
--
Rita M. Ippoliti, Author
"Falling Into Place"
... one woman's adventures in the sport of SKYDIVING!
To order ... point your web browser to,
http://www.atlasbooks.com
or,
call toll-free 1-800-BOOKLOG 24-hours a day!
"Al" <alfo...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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Capt. hook
>Tom B
yuh best to have something covering your butt crack at all times while at sea,
we had marines aboard ;->
Capt. hook
>>walk in....we were there 8 hours before he saw a doctor and got a
>script...once they git around to you the >care seems good but fuk a bunch of
>waiting...I prefer the medicare system.
>I don't blame you - I'd make the same >choice - that's a lot of
>waiting. Still, paitence is a virtue,
I sat in the waiting area talking to the other vets...saw little patience
exhibited, most of them were highly pissed. The system don't
seem to work well for walk ins yet on the other hand while out smoking a
ambulance came up with a transfer patient from Alabama and he sailed right
thru, same way with the guy I took....the month before
a satalite unit in Beaumont sent him over for a gall blader extraction...woosh
in and out...ya gotta go thru the satalites to get the service down here in
Texas ;)P
SkydiverRick
> yuh best to have something covering your butt crack at all times
> while at sea, we had marines aboard ;->
> "Fit Via Vi"
> Cuirtan Mheadhon Oidhche
How many times did it take to figure that one out?
Jerry K.
He was a slow learner...by choice.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
So, go to a satellite next time instead of making an uncontrolled
faceplant into tarmac. Sure, life-flight gets you immedate service,
but I guess they have to shut jump ops down during the medevac which
isn't too considerate to your fellow family jumpers.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>Texas
>So, go to a satellite next time instead of making an uncontrolled
>faceplant into tarmac. Sure, life-flight gets you immedate service,
>but I guess they have to shut jump ops down during the medevac which
>isn't too considerate to your fellow family jumpers.
You don't understand the VA or what satalite units are....their not ER's or
even doctors offices...they just shuffle papers and transfer vets from their
area to the Houston VA...Being slicker than the average vet...I just asked the
paramedic, where we going? He sez Saint Elizibiths is best for your
injury...that ok with you? Drive on/Instant service...had my dope in 45 min or
less. Operated on the next day....transfered to Houston two days later...Ya
might be dead or in pain awhile if ya wait on the VA system...Medicare is much
better. Now if ya ain't in pain and its elective surgery or ya otherwise got
time to fuk with the buracats...go to the VA is what I'm saying immediate
Medical care for vets is spotty cause they deal mostly with the aging alkys and
looney toon guys...one retired USN LT on Tri Care goes straight to Saint Johns
a civilian hospital in Houston, tricare has a contract with them...ya gotta
understand the system or your totally fukked...all that slick ass mental
training the Navy gave me in the 50's & 60's to fight evil empires is paying
off now, plus I'm old enuff to be on Medicare parts A & B so I can pick &
choose heh o~;-*
Capt. hook
>
>> yuh best to have something covering >>your butt crack at all times
>> while at sea, we had marines aboard ;->
>How many times did it take to figure that one out?
>
ya learned it in bootcamp dummy ;)P
Capt. hook
>while at sea, we had marines aboard ;->
>How many times did it take to figure that one out?
>
>He was a slow learner...by choice.
>
>...bsrp
and this from Houston pougy baits who prolly wear their shorts backwards?
Jerry K.
>>yuh best to have something covering >your butt crack at all times
>>while at sea, we had marines aboard ;->
>
>>How many times did it take to figure that one out?
>>
>>He was a slow learner...by choice.
>>
>>...bsrp
>
>and this from Houston pougy baits who prolly wear their shorts backwards?
Hell, we're not the ones frolicking naked in our front yards.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Which doesn't explain why you've been whining about how difficult it
is to get a tuneup.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>Hell, we're not the ones frolicking naked in our front yards.
>
>...bsrp
ya live too close to the road little dude,
jeezus its practically an ant pile down there in Houston...old George Dillon
moved
cuz he cud see his new neigbors house
thru the tree's an eighth of a mile away.
Hand built his log house...beautiful place
so I sez why? "I kin't pee off my front pourch anymore without being seen is
why!" They kint see yer dong from there
George. Nahhh but they kin tell I'm peeing
Capt. hook
>is to get a tuneup.
oh it ain't hard....I'm just whining cause they run to many tests....ya kin't
git no sleep, and then theirs this bitch called a
dietitan that trys to starve you to death while yer there...no bacon, no ribs,
no cheeze burgers, no beer, no Canadian
whiskey, no salt no nothing. Their gonna end up killing me ;(
Jerry K.
Maybe she read your rap sheet and figured you adherred to old biblical
law. I think she was just trying to help you out.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>is to get a tuneup.
>oh it ain't hard....I'm just whining cause >they run to many tests....ya kin't
>git no sleep, and then theirs this bitch >called a
>dietitan that trys to starve you to death >while yer there.
>Maybe she read your rap sheet and >figured you adherred to old biblical
>law. I think she was just trying to help >you out.
>
she didn't read it all, I just sneak it....whatta they gonna do put me in the
brig?
Ya just kin't stop a CoVan from scoring his bacon and egg's...I keep a bag
packed for the hospital with a fifth of canadian, two cartons of cigarettes 4
lighters a bottle of ranch style dressing...pepperoni sticks salt and pepper
shaker and a ton of candy
plus I got friend that smuggle baby back ribs and woppers in. When I was in
ICCU.
the nurses were frisking my visitors...I'm a persuasive old bastard, shudda
sold used cars for a living! o~;)
Capt. hook
>
good thing too I mighta ended up corrupted by the USPA smoochie boochie jarhead
;-*
Capt. hook
jarhead
>Quit wearing your shorts backwards and >you won't be corrupted as much
>
that reminds me....glad I was a real sailor
rather than a half ass bell hop called marine....mustta been tuff to join the
Navy and not end up a sailor huh lad?
Capt. hook
>happy not to have been a sailor. When I >read your post, I wonder why the Navy
>had to have the Marine Corps, when >sailors like you were available to
>conduct ground combat operations for >them. Besides, I don't wear my skivies
>backwards sailor.
well number one they only need marines to take islands...back when I was in and
the USN's west coast boot companys still did a week of rifle range at
Pendalton, each ship had its own small arms armory and was able to field "Armed
away partys." for the non island taking projects..a couple of motor whaleboats
full of armed sailors to storm the port docks, palace, city, whorehouse
whatever. Kinda like the san pebbles...Never had to do it while in the blue
water navy, the resistance usually folded when we steamed in showing the flag
and twirling the 5"38 gun mount...she was a Buckly class DE laid down in the
late 30's or early 40's and impressive to any third world peckerwoods.
I myself went on to further training to be an advisor and received more
training at Pendalton, Little Creek and A.P. Hill on weapons and infantry
tactics later...guess I was better at small unit action as any Marine Captain
by the time it was over.
Had to be cuz I was leading & otherwise directing Foreign Nationals not fine
American sailors who I wud put up against any marine unit cause yawl are so
hide bound & predictable...insurgents are harder to deal with...Yuh by 69 & 70
a few sailors like me cudda replaced the entire officer corps of the USMC...The
sailors cuddn't manage to learn to wear their skivvi's backwards and walk like
they had iron rebar up the ass though...ya know that prissy marine walk o~;)P
Jerry K.
Shit, the lynch detail back home must really have to pull extra duty
when you're getting your backside probed since it seems that between
your friends bringing you goods and the infrastructure and
organization required to secure and deliver all that haul, there's
hardly enough people left to handle all the resident crime and
punishment.
...bsrp
...jlk
Joe Walther
"Capt. hook" <to...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Walther responds...
If radiation was comprised of bullshit, Snuffy, you would give off enough
energy and light to replace the sun.
Joe Walther
Capt. hook
brig?
>Ya just kin't stop a CoVan from scoring >his bacon and egg's When I was in
>>ICCU. the nurses were frisking my >visitors...I'm a persuasive old bastard,
> shudda sold used cars for a living!
>Shit, the lynch detail back home must >really have to pull extra duty
>when you're getting your backside >probed since it seems that between
>your friends bringing you goods and the >infrastructure and organization
required to >secure and deliver all that haul, there's
>hardly enough people left to handle all the >resident crime and punishment.
Ain't much crime up here in the woods beyond timber theft and we ain't gonna
hang our own people....Billy Ray and his deputies handle most of the crime
which ain't much cuz we thinned the real bad ones out years ago. If you wuz a
theiving or mudering asshole and knowed their wuz some ole boys around who
would ride up at night drag you out and hang yer ass from a tree limb ya wud
move outta the county wouldn't you? Thats why the crimes so high in Houston and
so low up here....the ones left moved south! o~;->
SkydiverRick
> The primary reason that you never had a rig with a BOC on it, was
> that you were affraid that your hand would get stuck in the open hole
> of your skivies when you went to throw.
Can't stop laughing. Probably explains his history of low pulls.
Jerry K.
>>Selling used cars would have out lasted >your short skydiving career
>>
>
>good thing too I mighta ended up corrupted by the USPA smoochie boochie jarhead
As opposed to broken, bleeding, and right out of the sport which I'm
sure is the USPA's fault, too, eh?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: Discovery Channel Segment on Skydiver
>>From: to...@aol.com (Capt. hook)
>>Date: 11/16/03 7:57 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <20031116195744...@mb-m13.aol.com>
>
>Snuffy wrote:
>>the nurses were frisking my visitors...I'm a persuasive old bastard, shudda
>>sold used cars for a living! o~;)
>> "Fit Via Vi"
>> Cuirtan Mheadhon Oidhche
>
>Selling used cars would have out lasted your short skydiving career
Yeah, and then we'd have to listen to him go on about how he never
made a nickle selling used cars (ironically, his customers would be
telling about how they tried to 'give back' the cars as soon as they
could!)
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>usually folded when we steamed in >showing the flag and twirling the 5"38 gun
>mount...she was a Buckly class DE laid >down in the late 30's or early 40's
>Pendalton, Little Creek and A.P. Hill on >weapons and small infantry tactics
>guess I was better at small unit action as >any Marine Captain by the time it
was >over. Had to be cuz I was leading & >otherwise directing Foreign Nationals
not
officer >corps of the USMC. Except for the fact
>sailors cuddn't manage to learn to wear >their skivvi's backwards and walk
like
>o~;)P
>Walther responds...
>If radiation was comprised of bullshit, >Snuffy, you would give off enough
>energy and light to replace the sun.
>
>Joe Walther
that reminds me of the third reason,
Navy Officers needed us around to show them what to do to keep from crashing
ships and aircraft...else the USMC
wudda become "USN away partys" with Navy petty officers replacing marine
officers oh yeah if I'm lieing I'm dieing
We cudda changed the face of the world
if the Marine Commadant haddn't pitched a shitfit...pray for a super nova joe
hahahaha
Jerry K.
And not just any old star - we're talking gas giant here.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>leader, greatest skydiver and most gifted >person that you ever met.
>The primary reason that you never had a >rig with a BOC on it, was that you
>were affraid that your hand would get >stuck in the open hole of your skivies
>when you went to throw.
>
I was just one of many, each class had 60 to 80 JO's & PO's...yuh the Junior
Officers
hadda slog thru it to and were all going
"but I joined the Navy dammit!" Lets see
I Corps had 5 JFT's 4 men to a team...I rukun the other Corps areas had 4 or 5
field teams also so I wuzzn't alone lets see
4 X 5 X 4 corps area's over 10 or 15 years.
welllll their might not have been enuff of us to replace the entire USMC
Officers corps...
Their kinda top heavy with deadwood...got Lt Cols.....majors, supply officers
and shit like that, as far as the BOC I didn't start skydiving till I was well
into my 50's too stiff for a reach around and thats about what a BOC ammounts
to...Now on the other hand if the Navy hadda replaced a Marine officer with me
I'd have motor memory on reach arounds and cudda got a BOC insteada the ROL
o~;)P
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: Segment on USN versus USMC ;
>>From: to...@aol.com (Capt. hook)
>>Date: 11/16/03 10:20 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <20031116222034...@mb-m24.aol.com>
>
>>Well Laddie, when I watch the History >Channel's WWII Naval Battles, I am
>>>happy not to have been a sailor. When I >read your post, I wonder why the
>>Navy
>>>had to have the Marine Corps, when >sailors like you were available to
>>>conduct ground combat operations for >them. Besides, I don't wear my skivies
>>>backwards sailor.
>
>It comes as no surprise to me, that you feel that you were the world's best
>leader, greatest skydiver and most gifted person that you ever met.
>The primary reason that you never had a rig with a BOC on it, was that you were
>affraid that your hand would get stuck in the open hole of your skivies when
>you went to throw.
Popeye wears his skivvies backwards?
Oh wait - the *other* World's greatest Sailor. Actually, I think he
sitflew with an ROL because he was a dumbass and didn't know any
better.
...bsrp
...jlk
SkydiverRick
Actually, I think he
> sitflew with an ROL because he was a dumbass and didn't know any
> better.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
I guess his ass sucks wind.
Jerry K.
>>she didn't read it all, I just sneak it....>whatta they gonna do put me in the
>brig?
>>Ya just kin't stop a CoVan from scoring >his bacon and egg's When I was in
>>>ICCU. the nurses were frisking my >visitors...I'm a persuasive old bastard,
>> shudda sold used cars for a living!
>
>>Shit, the lynch detail back home must >really have to pull extra duty
>>when you're getting your backside >probed since it seems that between
>>your friends bringing you goods and the >infrastructure and organization
>required to >secure and deliver all that haul, there's
>>hardly enough people left to handle all the >resident crime and punishment.
>
>Ain't much crime up here in the woods beyond timber theft and we ain't gonna
>hang our own people....
How about that - Justice is wall-eyed.
>Billy Ray and his deputies handle most of the crime
>which ain't much cuz we thinned the real bad ones out years ago.
Oh, yeah - veritable snake's nest, I'll bet. Worse n' Kansas in the
1840's-50's.
>If you wuz a
>theiving or mudering asshole and knowed their wuz some ole boys around who
>would ride up at night drag you out and hang yer ass from a tree limb ya wud
>move outta the county wouldn't you?
Kinda like Ernie's painting of a cow eating grass. What? It's just a
white canvas. Well, the cow ate all the grass. Where's the cow? He
left because the grass is all gone. Guessing all that hanging and
stuff probably finished its run before you were born and you're just
telling whoppers based on stories from your elders.
>Thats why the crimes so high in Houston and
>so low up here....the ones left moved south!
Oh, that makes sense. All the bad Poke County criminals were cleared
out years ago by the noble lynch mob and militia (reminiscent of a key
scene in Griffith's, "Birth of a Nation") and they all moved to
Houston and are still making trouble down here. More likely the
lynching back in 1877 has since become popular legend amongst the
locals.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>Actually, I think he sitflew with an ROL >because he was a dumbass and didn't
>know any better.
actually everybody did cuz it wuz a biblical
"in the beginning"
story
First BOC I ever saw wuz on demo gear in Quincy...so I tells the dealers
rigger, Fuk that kid I don't do reach arounds. "Really
artta try it old man. ROL will go out like ripcords did. WHAT? well theirs
still some backwards SOB's using them in Texas.
Sorry, we don't make a canopy BIG enuff to fit your J8 without modifying the
packing tray....you'll have to use ours.....
Progress ain't all its made out to be if ya ask me ;)P
Jerry K.
>>"SkydiverRick"
>>Actually, I think he sitflew with an ROL >because he was a dumbass and didn't
>>know any better.
>
>actually everybody did cuz it wuz a biblical
> "in the beginning"
> story
Except for those who jump a ripcord or BOC.
>First BOC I ever saw wuz on demo gear in Quincy...so I tells the dealers
>rigger, Fuk that kid I don't do reach arounds. "Really
>artta try it old man. ROL will go out like ripcords did. WHAT? well theirs
>still some backwards SOB's using them in Texas.
>Sorry, we don't make a canopy BIG enuff to fit your J8 without modifying the
>packing tray....you'll have to use ours.....
>
>Progress ain't all its made out to be if ya ask me ;)P
Oh, I dunno, a lessening of the occurance of a floating pc/premature
deployment I think is positive.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
o~;)
>Actually, I think he sitflew with an ROL >because he was a dumbass and didn't
>know any better.
>actually everybody did cuz it wuz a >biblical "in the beginning" story
>Except for those who jump a ripcord or >BOC.
>First BOC I ever saw wuz on demo gear >in Quincy. Fuk that kid I don't do
reach >arounds. .....Progress ain't all its made >out to be if ya ask me
>Oh, I dunno, a lessening of the >occurance of a floating pc/premature
>deployment I think is positive.
>
never had it happen cuz I combed the velcrow on my bridel and took care folding
the pc and stuffing it...Packed my own and I wuzzn't a shit packer like you
undertrained USPA2000 midgets....2 or 3 cutaways taught me to take care of
details
That bulge on my right leg mighta been part of the helecoptering problem
though...
I just did shit the old fashioned way, worked on body and limb position harder
to compensate...Wuzzn't reaching around for no amount of money...guess yew two
kids pratice on each other huh?...try unzipping your fly & wearing your shorts
backwards...ya might git extra lift out of it <snerk>
Jerry K.
>Two sheepgods talk about the great porking 90's coyote god's sitting habits.
> o~;)
>
>>Actually, I think he sitflew with an ROL >because he was a dumbass and didn't
>>know any better.
>
>>actually everybody did cuz it wuz a >biblical "in the beginning" story
>
>>Except for those who jump a ripcord or >BOC.
>
>>First BOC I ever saw wuz on demo gear >in Quincy. Fuk that kid I don't do
>reach >arounds. .....Progress ain't all its made >out to be if ya ask me
>
>>Oh, I dunno, a lessening of the >occurance of a floating pc/premature
>>deployment I think is positive.
>>
>
>never had it happen cuz I combed the velcrow on my bridel and took care folding
>the pc and stuffing it...
Sure, it never happens until it does. The reality is that any pouch
system subject to the vagaries of winds and angles in freefall,
especially at the higher speeds and more direct attack of the wind
which comes with not flying on your belly can make the pc come loose
prematurely and it was more likely with the ROL than with the BOC -
not saying it was guarranteed - just more likely. ROL has more out in
the wind to catch air and in doing so work the rest free. BOC does
not. The pullout pud, even less so. All it takes is for a little
come loose, whether by contact with someone or something else, a lot
of wind, and it can (and has) come clear, and so falls the house of
cards. It's the little things which lead to the big things. ROL is
not so much a bad system - you can see the handle and it's there in a
similar spot that student ripcords are located which can provide a
degree of comfort - but the BOC is a better system for a wider
selection of freefall activities.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>reach arounds
>Oh, I dunno, a lessening of the >occurance of a floating pc/premature
>deployment I think is positive.
>never had it happen cuz I combed the velcrow on my bridel and took care
>folding the pc and stuffing it...
>Sure, it never happens until it does.
bridals come loose in normal flight and pc's come out of pockets....bag locks
all kind of shit happens to skydivers, ya pratice basic emergency proceedures
and learn to deal with it, I used ROL cuz thats what I had, accepted & delt
with it by giving that part of my gear extra care like I did my cables, closing
loops & pins, results were good I was prolly lucky also but thats
skydiving...ya do the best ya can and depend on lady luck a lot, if someone
wants a BOC mod on their container and can afford it they should get one...I
swear I dunno how you skydive sweating shit like you do. No wonder your
pissed off all the time when ya git home Sunday night ya ain't enjoying it
like I did...I'm thinking you would prevent more death if you went around
encourging mock cutaway and pulls prior to bording & discourging hook turns
rather than fretting about special gear.. only down side about that is If its
someones time to die their gonna die...as far as I know you ain't a S&TA and ya
damn sure ain't god so you caint save everybody. These kids are risk takers and
I'll bet most are gonna go with what they got...its the nature of the beast.
"I'm cool, I can pull it off" Thats why they hook...point out the safety factor
of the BOC in radical flight to the novice freak sure but also point out a old
asshole sez a ROL throws off body semetrics in a sit...ya kin't cum across as a
gear natzi or it won't work and don't come on here telling me I needed a BOC or
cypress in the early
90's. Skydiving is a balance of choice AND
money to fun jumpers...everybody ain't got their nose in the hog feeder like
you o~;)P
Jerry K.
>>First BOC I ever saw wuz on demo gear >in Quincy. Fuk that kid I don't do
>>reach arounds
>
>>Oh, I dunno, a lessening of the >occurance of a floating pc/premature
>>deployment I think is positive.
>
>>never had it happen cuz I combed the velcrow on my bridel and took care
>>folding the pc and stuffing it...
>
>>Sure, it never happens until it does.
>
>bridals come loose in normal flight and pc's come out of pockets....
Yeah, and perfectly packed canopies can still malfunction as well as
people can crash themselves into the hospitale or into the grave under
perfectly working canopies. Bridles and pc's are subject to more wind
when not on the belly than otherwise. The ROL presents more material
that is designed to ultimately come free in that very same wind and as
such, presents a greater chance for a premature deployment than other
systems like ripcord, boc, or pullout pud.
>bag locks
>all kind of shit happens to skydivers, ya pratice basic emergency proceedures
>and learn to deal with it,
Yeah, well - what's the emergency procedure when it comes out during a
dive and into someone else overhead? Sure, you learn to deal with it
just as the people who experimented with alternative stowing/deploying
systems did - they thought it through, concluded that there was a
greater chance for material to come free in high winds if there was
more material presented to these very same high winds and, conversely,
a lesser chance if lesser amounts of material designed to ultimately
come clear were not presented to the wind until desired. Hence, the
boc. Hence, the pullout pud.
>I used ROL cuz thats what I had, accepted & delt
>with it by giving that part of my gear extra care like I did my cables, closing
>loops & pins, results were good I was prolly lucky also but thats
>skydiving...ya do the best ya can and depend on lady luck a lot, if someone
>wants a BOC mod on their container and can afford it they should get one...
And I feel the same way about ROL - if you're more comfortable with
having a depolyment system you can see, close to where the ripcord
when you were a student was located - by all means get a ROL but I
would not recommend under any circumstances, no matter how good the
care was to your velcro and the rest of your deployment system,
freeflying, sitflying, or any other type of freefall skydiving
activity where you're not exclusively on your belly. Not saying a
premature is bound to happen - just saying that it is more likely.
>I swear I dunno how you skydive sweating shit like you do. No wonder your
>pissed off all the time when ya git home Sunday night ya ain't enjoying it
>like I did...
That's a crock of shit. You endorsed ROL's over BOC's and I suggested
that the BOC presented less of its deployment system to the wind and
was therefore, less likely to result in a premature opening -
something that most people would rather avoid - especially at the
higher freefall speeds during vrw.
>I'm thinking you would prevent more death if you went around
>encourging mock cutaway and pulls prior to bording & discourging hook turns
>rather than fretting about special gear..
More, less - it all adds up. You endorsed ROL over BOC and I
presented a counter view and backed it up with legitimate reasons why
ROL, while certainly a system that certainly works, is not the
preferred system for some aspects of skydiving and I explained why.
Naturally, you drifted off point and start pointing fingers about how
shit is being sweated and how I'm not enjoying skydiving and all
pissed off. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is that ROL works fine
until it doesn't and in the higher freefall speeds of vrw, ROL is more
likely to stop working fine than other systems such as a ripcord, BOC,
or pullout pud. That's just the facts.
>only down side about that is If its
>someones time to die their gonna die...
Which does little to explain why you endorse giving each other gear
checks, and looking out for each other. Why bother then - if their
time to die has come, let it come?
>as far as I know you ain't a S&TA and ya
>damn sure ain't god so you caint save everybody.
Hell, I'm just a skydiver who's been around long enough to have
someone (actually, several people) more knowledgeable than I explain
to me the pros, cons, things to look out for, and safety
considerations in this circumstance - ROL's. No, I ain't a S&TA but
what the fuck does that matter? It's not like you were ever on the
Pro-Swoop Tour and yet, you certainly were not shy about endorsing the
cranking of toggles to initiate a hookturn. Mark the motivation down
to the ever ongoing countering of your ignorant line of crap and the
ROL/BOC comparison as simply an exposition of the realities of using
an ROL system.
>These kids are risk takers and
>I'll bet most are gonna go with what they got...its the nature of the beast.
Yeah, true but then there might be some (not my primary motivation,
mind you) who might be wanting to do some vrw and might now consider
that they have an ROL and pause a moment to think things through.
>"I'm cool, I can pull it off" Thats why they hook...point out the safety factor
>of the BOC in radical flight to the novice freak sure
Which may have happened.
>but also point out a old
>asshole sez a ROL throws off body semetrics in a sit...
It might at that but just docking in a sit can throw off body
symetrics. I'm not concerned about symetrics in this argument- I only
have maybe a hundred sitjumps or so, so I'm certainly not a pro but my
concern here isn't how to sitfly but primarily, countering your line
of ignorance and also describing why they're a better choices of
deployment systems for vrw activities.
>ya kin't cum across as a
>gear natzi or it won't work
Since when does how I "come across" ever been a concern. Way beside
the point. Worries over something so inconsequential as that are for
people who feel they must use emoticons all the time in order to
convey some sort of emotional understanding to whoever might take the
trouble to read the post.
>and don't come on here telling me I needed a BOC or
>cypress in the early
>90's.
Hell, you don't even need a rig as far as I'm concerned, Skydiving is
as dangerous as you make it. If the angle is to keep it as dangerous
as possible, sure, carry on and I'll try to keep from flying overhead.
If you're gonna fly vrw then it's recommended (not required, just
recommended) that you consider deployment systems other than ROL (same
goes for video, btw - ROL not reconmmended for that, either). Same
goes for the AAD. Not required. Just recommended. Might save your
life, might not. What the hell - I'd rather have that chance than to
posture that since I don't have one, that somehow makes me special or
different.
>Skydiving is a balance of choice AND
>money to fun jumpers...everybody ain't got their nose in the hog feeder like
>you
Ah, so now it comes down to caste - a matter of who has the money and
who doesn't. Why, if I recommend such and such device for such and
such activity then it must be because I can afford it thus
exemplifying how deep my pockets are and how politically incorrect
someone who might be able to afford stuff are as compared to the
politically correct who might not be able to afford something.
Skydiving is very much indeed a balance of choice. No one demands the
prohibition of ROL (well, maybe in vrw, S&A, and/or speed competitions
they might) but on the dz - no, strongly recommend is about as far as
it goes and the choice is left to the jumper. Money? You find the
money. Say a diver with a worn out pc decides to replace his worn pc.
He doesn't have to - it's been deploying his main fine, the S&TA says
that it'll probably be good for a few more months but warns that the
likelihood of a pc in tow increases as it gets more worn. The jumper
has a choice. Spend some bucks and fix the potential problem before
it becomes a problem or carry on and hope for the best, keeeping in
mind that the day will come where the pc will wear out and either not
do it's job or be failed by the S&TA. If the S&TA failed it and
grounds it. Well, there's that but this is what happened to me. I
ignored the problem for the weekend and everything was fine. At the
end of the weekend I handed my gear (repack was almost due) over to my
rigger and asked him if he could build me a new one - which he did.
Sure, it's about choice and no one demands one choice or another but
as we like to look out for each other - we'll recommend and tell
someone what we think - especially if it might save them from a world
of shit sometime later down the line.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>Yeah, and perfectly packed canopies >can still malfunction as well
true but the majority of the time it was skydiver carelessness , body position,
inattention to snag points....helments gromets packing etc....its rarelly gear
failure anymore this should tell the thinking skydiver to give the jump some
forethought, allways be prepared with an out or to eat it....maybe even opt out
of the formation/jump whatever. and rethink shit
>people can crash themselves into the >hospitale or into the grave under
>perfectly working canopies.
set up high, swivel that head, pay attention to the wind sock follow the agreed
on landing pattern don't hook, ok fixed that ;)
>Yeah, well - what's the emergency >procedure when it comes out during a
>dive and into someone else overhead?
This is preventive problem...ya gotta learn if ya hang around over the
formation your gonna fall on someones back or eat a canopy sooner or later stay
level with the formation or and get in or go off to one side...if ya cain't get
in back away & keep the formation in sight...keep it in sight and count the
bodys...keep it in sight...don't hover over it or fly under it or turn your
back on it....stay level and keep it in sight watching for the break off...ya
shud know what size way count the bodys subtract one for self and add it
up...if more than one is out, look around and see where their at...ya ain't
gonna git in anyway ya hesitated too long...as for you
if your afraid of eating a canopy do offset shots or give up video. I swear I
dunno how you skydive sweating shit like you do. No wonder your pissed off all
the time when ya git home Sunday night
>That's a crock of shit. You endorsed >ROL's over BOC's
Notttttt you and that ricky peckerwood said I sit flew with a ROL and I said
yeah I did...never had a bit of problem with a ROL except once doing RW with
Arts old J8 on a friday the bridal came adrift and pulled the pin, pc stayed in
the pocket and I had a horseshoe from hell. Later examination by a rigger
showed the velcrow on the bridal was worn and had lost its stick...What I said
was sure I sit flew with a ROL because its all I had and I wanted to learn sit
flying so I used what I had...I'll bet thats still common amoung jumpers...to
use what they have you hystronic young idiot..your trying to frame me TAKE A
PROZAK. I'm thinking you would prevent more death if you went around
encourging mock cutaway and pulls prior to bording & discourging hook turns
rather than trying to put words in my mouth...go lay down and put a cold rag on
your head, ya seem to have sheepgod fever.
>More, less - it all adds up. You endorsed >ROL over BOC and I
>presented a counter view and backed it >up with legitimate reasons
Nope you said I used a ROL sitting and I said yeah I did then you flew into a
gear natzi fit...you think these novices are gonna do it just cuz some guy from
the
90's did? Fat chance, our equipment was slightly different and we were better
trained to deal with problems in the air by our training and they secretly
suspect that ;*
Jerry K.
>>bridals come loose in normal flight and >pc's come out of pockets....
>
>>Yeah, and perfectly packed canopies >can still malfunction as well
>
>true but the majority of the time it was skydiver carelessness ,
Just as when pc's come out of pockets, skydiver carelessness can be
the cause.
>body position,
>inattention to snag points....helments gromets packing etc....its rarelly gear
>failure anymore
I would say that a helmet gromet assisted malfunction could be termed
gear failure and if velcro leading from the container down to the
legstrap comes clear like its designed to do but before it is desired
to, unlike it is designed to then that, in my book, is also gear
failure.
>this should tell the thinking skydiver to give the jump some
>forethought, allways be prepared with an out or to eat it....maybe even opt out
>of the formation/jump whatever. and rethink shit
Yeah, that's normal SOP but another thing, a very important thing, is
to not put your gear (and you) into situations where the gear is
unable to perform as it should in that situation. That, also is
rethinking shit.
>>people can crash themselves into the >hospitale or into the grave under
>>perfectly working canopies.
>
>set up high, swivel that head, pay attention to the wind sock follow the agreed
>on landing pattern don't hook, ok fixed that
Yeah, yeah - we often say that you can do everything right and still
buy the farm. My point is that it is not smart (not prohibited) but
not smart to subject your gear (and you) to an envirnoment which the
gear is not capable of reliably handling.
>
>>Yeah, well - what's the emergency >procedure when it comes out during a
>>dive and into someone else overhead?
>
>This is preventive problem...ya gotta learn if ya hang around over the
>formation your gonna fall on someones back or eat a canopy sooner or later stay
>level with the formation or and get in or go off to one side...if ya cain't get
>in back away & keep the formation in sight...keep it in sight and count the
>bodys...keep it in sight...don't hover over it or fly under it or turn your
>back on it....stay level and keep it in sight watching for the break off...ya
>shud know what size way count the bodys subtract one for self and add it
>up...if more than one is out, look around and see where their at...ya ain't
>gonna git in anyway ya hesitated too long...as for you
>if your afraid of eating a canopy do offset shots or give up video. I swear I
>dunno how you skydive sweating shit like you do. No wonder your pissed off all
>the time when ya git home Sunday night
That's all fine and dandy but it is the nature of the sport, rw, vrw,
freestyle, and surfing - 3d moves are not impossible and they are not
uncommonly used. You can instruct all you want about how to not stay
over the formation so to avoid canopies that might come out
prematurely (whereas my argument was an ROL in vrw was more likely to
come out in such an environment than some other system) but it seems
to me that the smarter thing to do would be to do what can be done to
minimize that occurance as opposed to solely learning how to avoid
being in the path of an opening. You would argue that it's better for
people standing in the landing area learn how to avoid people who
might be swooping in with little control is a better solution than
simply minimizing the occurances of people swooping with little
control. An analogy but do you see my point?
>
>>That's a crock of shit. You endorsed >ROL's over BOC's
>
>Notttttt you and that ricky peckerwood said I sit flew with a ROL and I said
>yeah I did...never had a bit of problem with a ROL
Yeah, and I said until it happens and you suddenly got all defensive
like I had goosedd your mom.
>except once doing RW with
>Arts old J8 on a friday the bridal came adrift and pulled the pin, pc stayed in
>the pocket and I had a horseshoe from hell.
If that isn't a commercial against having undue amounts of bridle
being in a position to catch air and come loose, I don't know what it.
>Later examination by a rigger
>showed the velcrow on the bridal was worn and had lost its stick...What I said
>was sure I sit flew with a ROL because its all I had and I wanted to learn sit
>flying so I used what I had...
A person who had thought shit through would have gone up to someone
and stating their intentions, angled for advice as opposed to just
going up and figuring everything would be all right.
>'ll bet thats still common amoung jumpers...to
>use what they have you hystronic young idiot..
No, most jumpers I've been around look for advice on how best to
proceed with something new and hystrionic? Hell, who's the one
whining about being framed all of a sudden, hmm?
>your trying to frame me TAKE A
>PROZAK.
Oh, I'm so sorry you big baby. You first.
>I'm thinking you would prevent more death if you went around
>encourging mock cutaway and pulls prior to bording & discourging hook turns
That's SOP.
>rather than trying to put words in my mouth...
Oh, sorry - I got something else to put in your mouth. Open wide,
sweetie!
>go lay down and put a cold rag on
>your head,
Shit, you on the rag now. Figures.
>ya seem to have sheepgod fever.
Hell, I'm just saying that that there are more reliable deployment
system out there for vrw activities than ROL.
>
>>More, less - it all adds up. You endorsed >ROL over BOC and I
>>presented a counter view and backed it >up with legitimate reasons
>
>Nope you said I used a ROL sitting and I said yeah I did then you flew into a
>gear natzi fit...
No, no gear-nazi fit here. I just explained why other deployment
systems were more reliable in vrw related activies than ROL and you
got all defensive like I was dating your momma but kicked you out of
the living room when it was time for Johnny Carson. So, you sitflew
with a less reliable deployment system. It (by itself) doesn't mean
you're bad or dumb. Relax.
>you think these novices are gonna do it just cuz some guy from
>the
>90's did?
Nope by I think because some guy from (way back) in the 90's did, when
I suggest that his deployment system wasn't reliable under certain
conditions, it was a sure thing he'd get hystionic.
>Fat chance, our equipment was slightly different
Well, yeah - you had a lot more bridle exposed for one.
>and we were better
>trained to deal with problems in the air by our training and they secretly
>suspect that
Why would they secretly suspect it? I mean, where would come this
desire to remain covert?
The best way to deal with problems in the air is to lessen their
liklihood of them happening first on the ground followed by
visualizing and practicing to deal with them in the air followed by
actually dealing with them in the air.
Now, that said, where was this better training that day when you had a
problem reaching an unstowed toggle in the air? Maybe your betters
had better training but did it stick? Well, for maybe 297 jumps or
so, I guess - there is that.
...bsrp
...jlk