Gay Skydive Club
john...@austin.ibm.com
Once of our regular jupers of the last few years recently started
a gay skydive club in the Dallas area. Although there was much
skepticism, they have surprisingly brought out a lot of new
AFF students and have had very wide acceptance among our jumpers.
I offerred to pass on their address should anyone be interested
in more information:
Rainbow Skydive Club
P.O. Box 543064
Dallas, TX 75354
Arun Vadlamani
>Once of our regular jupers of the last few years recently started
>a gay skydive club in the Dallas area. Although there was much
>skepticism, they have surprisingly brought out a lot of new
>AFF students and have had very wide acceptance among our jumpers.
I fail to see the corelation between being gay and
skydiving; anyone wanting to try skydiving can do so
without having to belong to any group / sect / nationality
or preferrances. The only other reason being that it is
a match making centre.....
Cheers
Arun
Baard Kjos
|> john...@austin.ibm.com writes:
|>
|>
|> >Once of our regular jupers of the last few years recently started
|> >a gay skydive club in the Dallas area. Although there was much
|> >skepticism, they have surprisingly brought out a lot of new
|> >AFF students and have had very wide acceptance among our jumpers.
Cool! (OK, I'm biased, but still....)
|> I fail to see the corelation between being gay and
|> skydiving; anyone wanting to try skydiving can do so
|> without having to belong to any group / sect / nationality
|> or preferrances.
Don't be so negative!! Jumping there could be a way for you to show
that you're "Straight but not narrow". If you don't like the idea,
"Just say no!".
|> The only other reason being that it is
|> a match making centre.....
One could always hope ;-)
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Allen Taylor
integration into society on *every* level would now distance themselves from
an already "relatively speaking" "elite" group of sports-people [skydivers]
by developing a "GAY SKYDIVING" club.........
Robert Church
I've never seen anyone criticize POPS for being "divisive". I don't really
see the difference.
Bob Church
Rob Wheeler
Maybe the group isn't designed to "distance" themselves, but to provide
support for each other in a traditionally male, heterosexual sport.
I think female skydivers face similar issues (or did at one time). The
difference, of course, being that the male skydivers liked having the
females around.
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Charlie Gibbs
(Allen Taylor) writes:
>I *ALSO* find it strange that a group of people who *demand* acceptance
and
>integration into society on *every* level would now distance themselves
from
>an already "relatively speaking" "elite" group of sports-people
[skydivers]
>by developing a "GAY SKYDIVING" club.........
Amen! Once you're out the door it doesn't matter whether you're gay or
straight. Hopefully some day soon homosexuality will be just a sexual
preference, not a political stance to be loudly proclaimed at every
opportunity. (Apologies to the gays who already go quietly about
their business.)
For now, let's just stop bickering and go jumping!
Charli...@mindlink.bc.ca
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you're built upside-down.
Eric Perozziello
>john...@austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>
>>Once of our regular jupers of the last few years recently started
>>a gay skydive club in the Dallas area. Although there was much
>>skepticism, they have surprisingly brought out a lot of new
>>AFF students and have had very wide acceptance among our jumpers.
>
> skydiving; anyone wanting to try skydiving can do so
> without having to belong to any group / sect / nationality
> a match making centre.....
Anyone remember Saturday Night Live doing a skit on "The Gay Communist
Gun Club" :^) (I'm serious- they did a skit on this- a riot!)
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-Bill Clinton
Michael Masterov
I do - POPS don't feel the need to have their own DZ. They have an
organization with membership criteria that are beyond an individual's
control - this is cool. Somewhere in the back of Parachutist there is
an ad for "Friends of Bill Skydivers" - open to 12-steppers who have made
a sport jump. This is cool too. Somewhere someone may be organizing a
group of "Sky Nerds" - open to engineers and computer scientists who have
made a sport jump. This would be cool too. I would join. Maybe we could
all wear large, ugly glasses in freefall instead of goggles. With the
symbolic tape in the middle.
All of this is different from having an exclusively gay DZ - there are so
few of us, and generally so few places to jump within reasonable driving
distance, that this further fragmentation is unhealthy. I could see the
justification for it if the gay skydivers were being ill-treated at the
existing DZ's (though reverse discrimination never struck me as being
either just or productive of anything but more discrimination) but I've
yet to see it happen, or to meet any significant number of skydivers who
are intolerant enough and uptight enough to do it.
I've even seen lots of openly-gay people even at Roger Nelson's new DZ -
and I hear he's some sort of born-again fundamentalist Christian.
They would have done a lot better, I think, to put together a national
organization - have a newletter, T-shirts, pins - whatever. Like POPS.
Just my $0.02
Michael Masterov A-17157
Charlie Gibbs
(Allen Taylor) writes:
>I *ALSO* find it strange that a group of people who *demand* acceptance
and
>integration into society on *every* level would now distance themselves
from
>an already "relatively speaking" "elite" group of sports-people
[skydivers]
>by developing a "GAY SKYDIVING" club.........
Amen! Once you're out the door it doesn't matter whether you're gay or
Eric L. Cook
: I *ALSO* find it strange that a group of people who *demand* acceptance and
: integration into society on *every* level would now distance themselves from
: an already "relatively speaking" "elite" group of sports-people [skydivers]
: by developing a "GAY SKYDIVING" club.........
Well after the hostility that was just displayed here its no wonder
the club formed.
Its harmless socialization, or are you trying to tell me that other
skydiving clubs only get together for skydiving alone. (I wonder how
many relationships were started when two people met skydiving!)
Gay Skydiving Club.... Go for it!
Allen, sorry for the e-mail, I meant to post this ;-)
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Robert Church
>bch...@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>>Allen Taylor <allen...@delphi.com> writes:
>>>I *ALSO* find it strange that a group of people who *demand* acceptance and
>>>integration into society on *every* level would now distance themselves from
>>>an already "relatively speaking" "elite" group of sports-people [skydivers]
>>>by developing a "GAY SKYDIVING" club.........
>>
>>I've never seen anyone criticize POPS for being "divisive". I don't really
>>see the difference.
>
>I do - POPS don't feel the need to have their own DZ. They have an
>organization with membership criteria that are beyond an individual's
>control - this is cool. Somewhere in the back of Parachutist there is
I think someone needs to clarify things here. By club, are we talking
organization, like POPS or Friends of Bill, or are we talking DZ?
Bob Church
Allen Taylor
>Maybe the group isn't designed to "distance" themselves, but to provide
>support for each other in a traditionally male, heterosexual sport.
>
>I think female skydivers face similar issues (or did at one time). The
>difference, of course, being that the male skydivers liked having the
>females around.
accepted and treated with the same respect that ANY jumper on our DZ recvd.
Exactly what "support" is it that they need that a "hetero" jumper can't
provide? Are there really DZ's where people say "He/She" ain't getting on
my load because...? I am very pleased with the way our Indiana based DZ
has treated ALL skydivers regardless of the race, ethnic background or
sexual preferences. I think another posted identified the real purpose
behind this and it appears to be once of match-making..... Don't play the
Skydiving community for a bunch of homophobes because on a whole I think
we are a very tolerant group of sports-people!
Allen Taylor
>: by developing a "GAY SKYDIVING" club.........
>
>Well after the hostility that was just displayed here its no wonder
>the club formed.
>
>Its harmless socialization, or are you trying to tell me that other
>skydiving clubs only get together for skydiving alone. (I wonder how
>many relationships were started when two people met skydiving!)
[skydivers or otherwise]! Our Indiana based DZ has prided itself on
tolerating,accepting and "supporting" the development of ALL skydivers
regardless of their
Race, Age, Ethnic background and or sexual orietnation. As another poster
pointed out this seems to be a case of matchmaking as opposed to looking for
some "support" that you claim to be lacking on most "hetero" DZ's.
A Dorkins [law] 52606
>From: Allen Taylor <allen...@delphi.com>
>Subject: Re: Gay Skydive Club
>Date: Sun, 26 Jun 94 11:51:20 -0500
>>Its harmless socialization, or are you trying to tell me that other
>>skydiving clubs only get together for skydiving alone. (I wonder how
>>many relationships were started when two people met skydiving!)
>
>
It's a good idea for this reason- socializing/matchmaking/etc. I can see the
problems that it can address. Finding a partner is extremely difficult when
one is hopelessly obsessed with skydiving. Im hetero, and have a
problem. My partner absolutely despises skydiving, due to a lot of things,
incl expense, danger (?), and the fact that once the weekend starts
approaching I spend all my time looking at the weather maps and craning my
neck trying to determine the height of that cloud base. She also gets
really pissed off because the weekend 'disappears'. She has come down to
the DZ a few times, but of course gets really bored and says I ignore her.
What are you meant to do ? There's no way Ill give up skydiving, I just
have to try being a little less obsessive with it. Otherwise, do you have
to find another skydiver ? My guess is yes...
On that particular subject, I have a real proble
Eric L. Cook
: I don't believe I expressed any hositility nor do I bear any
: [skydivers or otherwise]! Our Indiana based DZ has prided itself on
: tolerating,accepting and "supporting" the development of ALL skydivers
: regardless of their
: Race, Age, Ethnic background and or sexual orietnation. As another poster
: pointed out this seems to be a case of matchmaking as opposed to looking for
: some "support" that you claim to be lacking on most "hetero" DZ's.
I have not seen any hostility in the posts on this subject.
If you found yourself being propositioned by a fellow gay member for dinner
you could do one of the following:
1) Take the proposition as a complement. Decline his invitation and thus
lay the matter to rest.
-OR-
2) Make loud threats of physical harm and just generally make a scene.
In my perfect world, you would take the first option, but *this* is
not a perfect world. People have made threats and sometimes carried
them out over this very thing.
I give myself as an example:
I don't skydive but I do hang glide for sport. There is this one site
where I fly that usally has this one jerk. He constantly tells everyone
how much he hates faggots and if he bought any property he was going
to put up a sign saying 'No Faggots Allowed'. Now I personaly think
that he is to stupid to realize that I'm gay (or maybe he knows and in
his own clumsy way he is trying to harass me.). But I have been out for some
time and I love hang gliding to much to let this tick bother me much.
Coming out is a process that takes time and just because you join
a *gay* club does not mean your out in your personal life. I have met many
gays in clubs in that we, the people of the club, were the only ones
who knew that they were gay. So the club can help 'support' that person
who is in the process of coming out in a non-hostile enviorment.
I am glad that the posts to this subject have been accepting the new club
in general. Times are a chang'n. But it still only takes one loud
jerk to spoil the comradeship in a bunch of people who share the love
for a sport.
Well I'm done with this... after all this is rec.skydiving and not
soc.motss (soc.Members Of The Same Sex). I hope you all have a great
summer skydiving and maybe I will see you fall past me as I am crusing
at 18,000 ft trying to break the cross country record of 301 miles
in a single flight.
Robert Church
>In article <p41Rgdg.a...@delphi.com> Allen Taylor <allen...@delphi.com> writes:
>>From: Allen Taylor <allen...@delphi.com>
>>Subject: Re: Gay Skydive Club
>>Date: Sun, 26 Jun 94 11:51:20 -0500
>
>
>>>Its harmless socialization, or are you trying to tell me that other
>>>skydiving clubs only get together for skydiving alone. (I wonder how
>>>many relationships were started when two people met skydiving!)
>>
>>
>What are you meant to do ? There's no way Ill give up skydiving, I just
>have to try being a little less obsessive with it. Otherwise, do you have
>to find another skydiver ? My guess is yes...
I don't know about that. My first wife always came to the DZ but didn't
jump. My second was a jumper (well, never got around to getting married,
but close enough). That didn't work out. This wife doesn't jump and doesn't
come down to the DZ. The disappearing weekends do create a problem, but
I try to make up for it the rest of the time. The funny thing is, I get
more shit from my "fellow skydivers" than from her. Where were you last week,
are you going to be here tomorrow, you mean you're going home tonight, etc.
The weird part is that they think I "have" to go home. I don't, I just kind
of like it.
Bob Church
Scott Merrilees
>"heterosexual sport"? We have always had homsexuals among us and they were
>accepted and treated with the same respect that ANY jumper on our DZ recvd.
>Exactly what "support" is it that they need that a "hetero" jumper can't
>provide? Are there really DZ's where people say "He/She" ain't getting on
>my load because...? I am very pleased with the way our Indiana based DZ
>has treated ALL skydivers regardless of the race, ethnic background or
>sexual preferences. I think another posted identified the real purpose
>behind this and it appears to be once of match-making..... Don't play the
>Skydiving community for a bunch of homophobes because on a whole I think
>we are a very tolerant group of sports-people!
Fairly tolerant, people are either jumpers or wuffos :-)
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|> bch...@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
|> >Allen Taylor <allen...@delphi.com> writes:
|> >>I *ALSO* find it strange that a group of people who *demand* acceptance and
|> >>integration into society on *every* level would now distance themselves from
|> >>an already "relatively speaking" "elite" group of sports-people [skydivers]
|> >>by developing a "GAY SKYDIVING" club.........
|> >
|> >I've never seen anyone criticize POPS for being "divisive". I don't really
|> >see the difference.
|>
|> I do - POPS don't feel the need to have their own DZ. They have an
|> organization with membership criteria that are beyond an individual's
|> control - this is cool.
Oh, I see...and being homosexual isn't beyond an individual's control?
You think someone chooses to be homosexual? Oh yeah, homosexuals choose
that lifestyle so they can be harrassed, discriminated against and often
be forced to live their lives "in a closet". A person is BORN a homosexual
and can no more change or control that than someone can control growing old.
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Baard Kjos
skydivers are as open minded and tolerant (in their deeds, not only in
their thoughts) as most people here on rec.skydiving claim, there are
still as many different opinions on visibility, "sexuality in your face"
etc. here as elsewhere in society. Therefor a few words on this.
In article <47...@mindlink.bc.ca>, Charli...@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:
|> In article <ZW-zoPT.a...@delphi.com> allen...@delphi.com
|> (Allen Taylor) writes:
|>
|> >I *ALSO* find it strange that a group of people who *demand* acceptance
|> >and integration into society on *every* level would now distance
|> >themselves from [skydivers] by developing a "GAY SKYDIVING" club.........
Although I have no specific knowledge of said club/DZ, I think I'm on
fairly safe ground when I say that these folks hardly want to
*distance* themselves. On the contrary, my guess is that they want
publicity about gay skydivers, in addition to the fun, the social
effect this may have on gays etc. If they are smart enough to initiate
a project like this, I'm sure they are also smart enough to understand
that you don't make great skydives just because you're (not)
<your_favourite_fringe_group>.
|> (Apologies to the gays who already go quietly about
|> their business.)
No, Charlie!! They should be more vocal about it.
Those you refer to have, unless they are semi-closeted and not very
comfortable with being gay, already (many years ago?) been through that
phase of telling. All their friends now already know, and their new
friends learn it from the old ones, without the gay guy having to tell
explicitly. Even for these people it is important to keep the potato
warm among those you associate with, whether friends, family or
colleagues. Invisibility, or people not acknowledging that they see
you, reduces your ego and self-esteem to *noting* as time passes.
Few, if *any*, other groups are as vocal about themselves in *every*
aspect of life as skydivers. (We're talking generalizations here).
This applies perhaps in particular to "sex 'n drugs 'n rock 'n roll".
Sex is *definately* a natural part of the community. Not formally, but
de facto.
Baard Kjos
|> I think another posted identified the real purpose
|> behind this and it appears to be once of match-making.....
I'd definately prefer gay match making to take place on my regular
DZ(s), the same way all my straight skydiving friends find partners
there.
Would creating a particular "gay corner" in the hangar or on
the packing mats be a better idea? Propbably.
Actually, I'd have preferred gays to be naturally as easy identifiable
as girls are on a DZ. That way, one wouldn't need to make all these
strange special arrangements to perform the match making. But alas, we
aren't born with green skin or anything. There is little we can do
except *telling*. "Don't ask, don't tell" definately doesn't work!
Baard Kjos
|> If you found yourself being propositioned by a fellow gay member
|> for dinner you could do one of the following:
|>
|> 1) Take the proposition as a complement.
Definately.
|> Decline his invitation and thus lay the matter to rest.
Why decline the invitation? If the guy hasn't even asked if you're
gay, he can't expect anything from you. Eat and drink with him, unless
he is a boring or otherwise unpleasant person. If nothing else, the
guy will learn what also some guys don't understand wrt girls: That
accepting a dinner isn't the same as accepting, or even wanting, a
romantic relationship and/or sex.
Hmmm.... How much further can we take this thread in rec.skydiving?
Not *much* further, I think.
MEBJR
bch...@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
--------------------------
I guess we're going to need a homosexual POPS club now? Get real !!!
Next thing you know they will be getting different rating
numbers-(Just so they can better *support* themselves.)
I go skydiving to forget the issues of the world, Can't everyone
else?
Mike
Tony Johnson
> skydiving; anyone wanting to try skydiving can do so
> without having to belong to any group / sect / nationality
> or preferrances. The only other reason being that it is
> a match making centre.....
>
There are women-only special events all the time and no one accuses
them of getting together to date each other. They simply have the same
interests and attitudes. What's wrong with similar people wanting to
share a similar interest?
I've been skydiving all over the country, and every dropzone I have seen
is very straight white dominated. I have no problem with broadening the
scope of skydiving to include other groups without accusing them of
alterior motives.
Tony Johnson
You lost me. Who said that a club was formed to distance themselves from
other skydivers? If this was the case, wouldn't they simply form their own
drop zone? I think the idea is for them to form a more comfortable
environment for themselves in a straight, and often *hostile*, environment.
Tony Johnson
In article <CrxoC...@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, bch...@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert
Church) writes:
> I think someone needs to clarify things here. By club, are we talking
> organization, like POPS or Friends of Bill, or are we talking DZ?
>
> Bob Church
>
>
to encourage openness among different types of people who enjoy the same sport.
It seems to have worked, since I've seen other skydivers "come out of the closet"
since the group formed.
Few DZs are without gays. They unfortunately feel too uncomfortable around
most of us to be themselves.
Eric Perozziello
>Although I have no specific knowledge of said club/DZ, I think I'm on
>fairly safe ground when I say that these folks hardly want to
>*distance* themselves. On the contrary, my guess is that they want
>publicity about gay skydivers, in addition to the fun, the social
Right. An opportunity for a group of people to champion their problems.
How about a "sheep-fucking skydiving" club. Afterall, who are YOU
to judge the morality of my "private" life?
>effect this may have on gays etc. If they are smart enough to initiate
>a project like this, I'm sure they are also smart enough to understand
>that you don't make great skydives just because you're (not)
><your_favourite_fringe_group>.
<your_favourite_fringe_group> inserted above. It should not offend anyone,
by the same definitions through which "the gay skydiving club" is formed.
>No, Charlie!! They should be more vocal about it.
Right. So they can CHAMPION their abnormality. Abnormal is GOOD.
>Sex is *definately* a natural part of the community. Not formally, but
>de facto.
Right. So there should be no hard feelings regarding the formation
of a "Sheep-fucking skydivers" club, right? It would be created under
the same premise that the "gay skydiving club" is formed. Same concept.
Tony Johnson
In article <CrxEt...@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, mast...@filter.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael Masterov) writes:
> >Allen Taylor <allen...@delphi.com> writes:
> >>I *ALSO* find it strange that a group of people who *demand* acceptance and
> >>integration into society on *every* level would now distance themselves from
> >>an already "relatively speaking" "elite" group of sports-people [skydivers]
> >>by developing a "GAY SKYDIVING" club.........
> >
> >I've never seen anyone criticize POPS for being "divisive". I don't really
> >see the difference.
>
> I do - POPS don't feel the need to have their own DZ. They have an
> organization with membership criteria that are beyond an individual's
> control - this is cool. Somewhere in the back of Parachutist there is
> an ad for "Friends of Bill Skydivers" - open to 12-steppers who have made
> a sport jump. This is cool too. Somewhere someone may be organizing a
> group of "Sky Nerds" - open to engineers and computer scientists who have
> made a sport jump. This would be cool too. I would join. Maybe we could
> all wear large, ugly glasses in freefall instead of goggles. With the
> symbolic tape in the middle.
I think you are confused Michael - please refer to the first posting on
this subject:
>>> Once of our regular jupers of the last few years recently started
>>> a gay skydive club in the Dallas area. Although there was much
>>> skepticism, they have surprisingly brought out a lot of new
>>> AFF students and have had very wide acceptance among our jumpers.
This is a CLUB, not an all-gay drop-zone. According to your own criteria,
how does this differ from POPS, Friends of Bill or "Sky Nerds"?
> They would have done a lot better, I think, to put together a national
> organization - have a newletter, T-shirts, pins - whatever. Like POPS.
The club has T-shirts and a monthly newsletter (Like POPS).
Tony Johnson
In article <2umrue$j...@search01.news.aol.com>, me...@aol.com (MEBJR) writes:
> In article <Crx3p...@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>,
> bch...@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>
> In article <ZW-zoPT.a...@delphi.com> Allen Taylor
> <allen...@delphi.com> writes:
> >I *ALSO* find it strange that a group of people who *demand*
> acceptance and
> >integration into society on *every* level would now distance
> themselves from
> >an already "relatively speaking" "elite" group of sports-people
> [skydivers]
> >by developing a "GAY SKYDIVING" club.........
>
> I've never seen anyone criticize POPS for being "divisive". I don't
> really
> see the difference
>
> --------------------------
>
> I guess we're going to need a homosexual POPS club now? Get real !!!
If you need one, start one, who cares?
>
> Next thing you know they will be getting different rating
> numbers-(Just so they can better *support* themselves.)
I never heard they were going to do that.
>
> I go skydiving to forget the issues of the world, Can't everyone
> else?
During a 20-way dirt dive, Jerry Bird decided to grace us all with
a "faggot" joke, knowing very few of the participants. Most people
laughed. I've heard "nigger" jokes numerous times on the way to
altitude. I wonder why there are so few blacks in skydiving? Probably
because they can't hide as well as gays.
I'm sure it is easy to "forget the issues of the world" when you are
not in a discriminated minority.
an10...@anon.penet.fi
8*P > Once of our regular jupers of the last few years recently started
8*P > a gay skydive club in the Dallas area.
Wuz their motto something like this:
The Ballad Of Clinton's Queen Berets
------------------------------------
Falling Fairies from the sky,
O broke a nail, Oh I could cry.
Don't you like how my tushy sways?
We are the fags of the Queen Berets.
Bill Clinton's words upon my ears,
"You Guys have rights, be proud you're Queers."
I once was scared, now I'm okay,
Cause I'm a Fag in the QUEEN BERETS.
Put silver earclips on my nuts,
I love the pain, now spank my butt.
The way you walk is awfully cute.
I sure would LOVE to pack your chute.
This Army stuff is awfully slick,
Free meals and clothes, and lots of dicks.
When I retire, I'll still get paid.
I thank you Bill, from the Queen Berets.
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>In article <2umhmh$r...@ugle.unit.no>, Baard Kjos <baar...@idt.unit.no> wrote:
>
>>publicity about gay skydivers, in addition to the fun, the social
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Right. An opportunity for a group of people to champion their problems.
>Right. So they can CHAMPION their abnormality. Abnormal is GOOD.
>
Eric, Eric Eric...
I bet when you spot you only give right corrections...
:-)
Jerry
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Robert Church
>of a "Sheep-fucking skydivers" club, right? It would be created under
>the same premise that the "gay skydiving club" is formed. Same concept.
Whatever pulls at your bobber. Just one thing though. What's the age
of consent on a sheep?
Bob (never needed to find out) Church
MEBJR
I'm a Swedish, Right Wing, Beer Drinkin, Gun Totin,
Anti-Environmental, Short Haired, Republican, American Skydiver.
Anyone Want to Jump With Me?
We all Jump for the Same reason. If your so neat you need your own
club so be it. How knit Pickin can you get. At this rate We'll
continue to divide ourselves until all we have is ourselves.
I wonder if I can land a plane by remote control?
Lighten up
Blue Skies:
Mike
D-14684
FRED MCKAY
J>Once of our regular jupers of the last few years recently started
>a gay skydive club in the Dallas area. Although there was much
>skepticism, they have surprisingly brought out a lot of new
>AFF students and have had very wide acceptance among our jumpers.
J>I offerred to pass on their address should anyone be interested
>in more information:
J>Rainbow Skydive Club
>P.O. Box 543064
>Dallas, TX 75354
I say more power to them. I wish them the best of luck. If some
irrelevant attribute gets people together to skydive, why not. But I
wouldn't be a tandem passenger with one of them... ;-)
On a related note. I remember seeing a tandem master dirt diving a
student and he had a big patch on his jumpsuit identifing him as a
member of the born-again Christian skydivers association. I don't know
if I would want to jump with someone who was convinced there was an
afterlife and he was going to heaven.
Fred.
Baard Kjos
|> In article <2umhmh$r...@ugle.unit.no>, Baard Kjos <baar...@idt.unit.no> wrote:
|>
|> >my guess is that they want
|> >publicity about gay skydivers, in addition to the fun, the social
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>
|> Right. An opportunity for a group of people to champion their problems.
Just like POPS champion the problem of being old.
|> How about a "sheep-fucking skydiving" club.
Are you saying that *you* sleeping with a girl is like fucking a
sheep???
Or is me sleeping with a boy more similar to someone fucking a sheep?
Anyone still wondering why gays thinks it is important to fight loudly?
|> Right. So they can CHAMPION their abnormality.
Zzzzzzzz.....
|> Abnormal is GOOD.
Yes, being gay is good. Except when you get your day ruined by a
straight moron.
Baard Kjos
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Isn't it fun? Now we have anonymous postings on rec.skydiving too!!!
Thor Bochonko
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Does this qualify as inappropriate use?
It is amazing how much courage people have when they can hide who they are.
THor
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Bill Von Novak
>|> I fail to see the corelation between being gay and
>|> skydiving; anyone wanting to try skydiving can do so
>|> without having to belong to any group / sect / nationality
>|> or preferrances.
>
>Don't be so negative!! Jumping there could be a way for you to show
>that you're "Straight but not narrow".
and jumping at a regular DZ indicates your intolerance? that's
ridiculous. by establishing a gay drop zone you're saying, 'hey, we're
so different, we need our own drop zone.' that's just going to foster
homophobia elsewhere. most skydivers don't need a way to indicate
that they're open minded - unless someone starts telling them that
they're not.
imagine someone opening a DZ somewhere with a sign out front that
said "Caucasian DZ - but if you're black, you can jump here too." think
that would fly?
bill von novak C22946
Steve Ball
e...@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>Right. So there should be no hard feelings regarding the formation
>of a "Sheep-fucking skydivers" club, right? It would be created under
>the same premise that the "gay skydiving club" is formed. Same concept.
Ooooooooh Eric! Can I join? - I'd love to get some video of ewe going at
it doggy style with a sweet young thang - you could call her lambchop...
A Dorkins [law] 52606
Good Morning. I have a few questions. 1. What is POPS, and Friends of
Bill ? 2. What is a kill line ? 3. Why are some canopies 'diapered' ?
Thanks in advance..
Philip Yzarn de Louraille
>
>
>Right. So they can CHAMPION their abnormality. Abnormal is GOOD.
>
Eric, some people would consider skydivers abnormals.
To each is own, I say.
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Will Forshay
I thought it was "Daisy" .....(remember Gene Wilder in "Amazon Women on
the Moon"? Rent it if you haven't seen it)
Will Forshay There's no sensation to compare with this
D-12167, S/L-I Suspended animation, A state of bliss...
CFI, A-SEL; Com & I: MEL (AOPA, SSA)
Robert Anderson
AD[5>She has come down to
AD[5>the DZ a few times, but of course gets really bored and says I ignore her.
AD[5>What are you meant to do ? There's no way Ill give up skydiving, I just
AD[5>have to try being a little less obsessive with it. Otherwise, do you have
AD[5>to find another skydiver ? My guess is yes...
My wife in much happier at the DZ after I got her hooked on Hacky!
(just a thought...)
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Michael Cox
b>From: bil...@qualcomm.com (Bill Von Novak)
b>>|> I fail to see the corelation between being gay and
b>>|> skydiving; anyone wanting to try skydiving can do so
b>>|> without having to belong to any group / sect / nationality
b>>|> or preferrances.
b>>
b>>Don't be so negative!! Jumping there could be a way for you to show
b>>that you're "Straight but not narrow".
b> and jumping at a regular DZ indicates your intolerance? that's
b>ridiculous. by establishing a gay drop zone you're saying, 'hey,
b>we're so different, we need our own drop zone.' that's just going to
b>foster homophobia elsewhere. most skydivers don't need a way to
b>indicate that they're open minded - unless someone starts telling them
b>that they're not.
SHEEESH!...no one SAID they wanted a gay DZ...they said they wanted to
start a gay skydiving CLUB, just like POPS and all the other special-
interest subgroups of the already fairly bizarre group known as
skydivers...
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Tony Johnson
> and jumping at a regular DZ indicates your intolerance? that's
> ridiculous. by establishing a gay drop zone you're saying, 'hey, we're
> so different, we need our own drop zone.' that's just going to foster
> homophobia elsewhere. most skydivers don't need a way to indicate
> that they're open minded - unless someone starts telling them that
> they're not.
Pay attention folks! This is one of numerous replies to the "all-gay"
drop-zone. THERE IS NO ALL-GAY DROP ZONE. This is a CLUB that has formed
at an otherwise straight drop-zone.
Eric Perozziello
> e...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>|> How about a "sheep-fucking skydiving" club.
>Or is me sleeping with a boy more similar to someone fucking a sheep?
Yes. It's called sticking your dick where it wasn't intended to go.
>Anyone still wondering why gays thinks it is important to fight loudly?
Grow up. When you get done sticking your dick in all the inappropriate
places you can think of (and bragging about it), maybe then people will
respect you.
>|> Abnormal is GOOD.
>
>Yes, being gay is good. Except when you get your day ruined by a
>straight moron.
It's a shame a nice, apolitical sport has to become infested with the
perturbations of the modern "politically correct" folks, just begging
for attention. If you want to stick your dick in someones anus, then
fine - it's a free country (still). Do so in private. But don't wear
a t-shirt for my kids to see, advertising that such activity is "normal".
Robert Bonitz
> Baard Kjos <baar...@idt.unit.no> wrote:
>>
>>Yes, being gay is good. Except when you get your day ruined by a
>>straight moron.
>
>It's a shame a nice, apolitical sport has to become infested with the
>perturbations of the modern "politically correct" folks, just begging
>for attention. If you want to stick your dick in someones anus, then
>fine - it's a free country (still). Do so in private. But don't wear
>a t-shirt for my kids to see, advertising that such activity is "normal".
>
It's a shame a nice, apolitical sport has to become infested with the
perturbations of the 1950's "politically correct" folks, just begging
for attention.
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One has to wonder how many people who had the "I believe you, Clarence"
bumperstickers will place a "I believe you, Bill" sticker right next
to it . . .
Or was the original sticker placed more for politics than principal?
warren kidd
: Baard Kjos <baar...@idt.unit.no> wrote:
: >Or is me sleeping with a boy more similar to someone fucking a sheep?
: Yes. It's called sticking your dick where it wasn't intended to go.
Wow...you seem to know the way things are supposed to be. Did you get a
manual or something when you were born? It really said dicks don't belong
in asses? Or is that just male asses?
Tell me: in this great scheme of things, are we intended to survive
falling thousands of feet? Or we intended to be able to see above the
clouds? This seems a lot stranger to me than finding enjoyable uses for
things we were BORN with...
: It's a shame a nice, apolitical sport has to become infested with the
: perturbations of the modern "politically correct" folks, just begging
: for attention. If you want to stick your dick in someones anus, then
: fine - it's a free country (still). Do so in private.
..like, he wouldn't anyway??
--
Warren Kidd
B-3220, CSPA
<"We're only at home when we're on the wing"> -Neil Peart
Leona Slepetis
Eric Perozziello <e...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
Eric,
Please log off before you leave your terminal.
Thanks,
Leona Slepetis
Baard Kjos
|> Grow up. When you get done sticking your dick in all the inappropriate
|> places you can think of (and bragging about it), maybe then people will
|> respect you.
I'll leave it to people closer to you to learn you more about the
difference between homosexuality and buttfucking, Eric. Who brought
this buttfucking thing into the discussion anyway?
When it comes to being respected, I can inform you that I feel I am
respected for who I am by all those who mean anything to me, thank
you.
|> If you want to stick your dick in someones anus, then
|> fine - it's a free country (still).
It's a free *world*, Eric. If you pull your head out of that bucket
of shit, you'll perhaps get a glimpse of it too.
|> But don't wear a t-shirt for my kids to see, advertising that such
|> activity is "normal".
Oh, no! *Please* let me wear whatever t-shirt I want, Eric. *PLEASE*!!!
Jumper
penis and anus. Unless, of course, it's going to be used for some new RW.
I don't proclaim that I stick my penis into vaginas. That would be adolesent
wouldn't it? If you're a homosexual, fine, but that has nothing to do with sport.
Neither does being straight have anything to do with sport. So whats all this gay
shit all about? And comparing POPs with homosexuals is ridiculus!!! A group like
POPs means that you're 40 yrs old and above in the sport of skydiving. POPs is
skydiving related not sexuality related. I could learn skydiving stuff
from a POPs member. Can I learn anything about skydiving from a group whose
common bond is sexual? Maybe, but that is not their primary focus. Let's look
at the gay games. Did you see the male-male figure skating? What a joke. This
is not about excellence in sports, it's about where you stick your penis and
forcing the world for approval. Let's keep this kind of trash politics out
of our sport before NAMBLA and beastiality folk join in.
A. Jumper.
John Atkinson (Contractor)
[ Valid (non-homophobic) stuff deleted ]
> Let's look
> at the gay games. Did you see the male-male figure skating? What a joke.
This
> is not about excellence in sports, it's about where you stick your penis
and
> forcing the world for approval. Let's keep this kind of trash politics
out
> of our sport before NAMBLA and beastiality folk join in.
Of course your point about sexuality and skydiving are well taken. The
same arguments do not apply to the Gay Games. Gay athletes whose
sexuality becomes known to other athletes are routinely harassed and
discriminated against, and denied a fair chance compete in their sport of
choice. The gay games provide a forum for talented athletes to compete,
regardless of their sexuality.
In todays society, the mere fact that you do not advertise the fact that
you prefer in ensheath your penis in a vagina, means that you are presumed
heterosexual, and therfore "normal" and entitled to live a normal life --
you know: get married, take the job of your choice, adopt children.
Regards,
John C. Atkinson