Skydiving from a Cessna 182 or 172 ?!
Peter E. Miller
We want to combined our hobbies but neither of us know if it is:
Safe to use a C182 or C172 to jump from
and if so, how would you exit the aircraft, considering how the door opens
etc.
If anyone out there has, is or know anything about this I would appreciate
any info.
Thanks !
Gregg Fahrenbruch
Cessna jump planes have an in flight door that lifts up (ie. the hinges are
on the top) I think it would be pretty difficult to use a regular door and
have never seen it done successfully. When flying jumpers you have to be
extremely careful of stalls and potential parachute malfunctions. If you
are going to do it, go to a drop zone and get the proper advice. There is
alot more to it than just kicking your passengers out.
gregg
Peter E. Miller <pemi...@netwide.net> wrote in article
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Stephen
Gregg Fahrenbruch wrote
>The C-182 is probably the most common jump plane in the world!!! Typical
>Cessna jump planes have an in flight door that lifts up (ie. the hinges are
>on the top) I think it would be pretty difficult to use a regular door and
>have never seen it done successfully. When flying jumpers you have to be
>extremely careful of stalls and potential parachute malfunctions. If you
>are going to do it, go to a drop zone and get the proper advice. There is
>alot more to it than just kicking your passengers out.
>
>gregg
A friend likes to get a ride to the dz from another jumper/pilot friend in a
rented 182. After the appropriate radio call, he likes to say "I'll get out
here"
(at 2 grand) Climbs out, closes door, obligatory tongue out, and gone.
One caution, even if you are a CFI, don't let him talk you into sitting
right seat,
so he can climb out on the left,(where the pitot probe is), especially if
he's
chewing gum and it's your first time dropping someone. (shouldn't have told
you that, but,,,,,)
Also, check on STC for removing the door completely. (before takeoff).
Talk to the DZ pilots about what to watch for before trying it. Have fun
and
be safe.
C'ya,
Steve F.
john berntsen
A Cessna 172 and 182 are both adequate to jump from, providing you are
wearing a parachute, I'm assuming in Poland , that might be a option.
thus your querey.
Mark Ellins
done it once from the back seat and even though the pilot (experienced jump
pilot) slowed and slipped the plane to lessen the wind on the door and the
right front seat passenger helped hold the door open so I could fight my way
out, it was very difficult getting out (I weigh 200lbs).
You gotta be real careful about snagging on various objects too.
I don't know how much I would worry about one body crawling out causing a
stall (three of us accidentally stalled a jump 182, boy did we catch hell
from the pilot).
It was tough getting out but it was a neat jump!
Blue Skies,
Mark Ellins
Tom Morris
easy. I jumped the left door from the back seat, with the pilot's seat fully
forward, the airplane in a left slip, and the pilot helping hold the door open
with his elbow. If you do it, take great care to avoid snagging any of your gear
on the door handle, door latch, or the window latch. Be aware that you are
putting the pilot at risk, because the open door disrupts airflow over the left
horizontal stabilizer, decreasing the effectiveness of the elevator. Dirtdive
your exit, with the pilot sitting in the seat, several times, until you both
feel comfortable with it. Plan a higher than normal opening altitude, because
your spot won't be accurate. On the other hand, you won't be doing any RW, so
you can track in freefall to correct some of the spotting error. Don't do a hop
and pop. Jump from at least 5000 feet AGL. This gives you more time get stable
from a potentially sloppy exit, and to track to your opening point. It also
gives the pilot more altitude to recover from the stall that could result from
flying at low airspeed, in a slip, with the door sticking out into the
slipstream. One more thing. If your pilot is not an experienced jump pilot,
remind him/her to stow any charts or loose papers that may blow around the cabin
when the door opens.
Tom
SKYMONROE
change, then the safest thing might be to remove the door completely. You must
placard the aircraft for operating limitations with the door removed. You also
need to file a notam one hour prior to the jump and you have to have permission
to land jumpers at that location. Leaving the door on makes the exit much more
complicated and more things can go wrong - it is not recommended. Remember
your ticket is on the line. Furthermore, the jumper's experience level and
type of equipment should be considered. It is the pilot's responsibility to
check the reserve and seat belts must be worn during takeoff, taxi and landing
( if needed ). Personally, I would not do it. Bill ( Drop zone owner &
pilot.)
J Zane
172's work also, with the obvious limitations of power & load capacity. It's
completely legal to make a jump from these planes, as-is/ unmodified,
providing everyone on board has a parachute on, and the NOTAM is filed.
(Check out FAR part 105 for the details.) With your friend in the right
front seat, you can slow the plane down to about 60-70kts and as the jumper
opens the door to squeeze out, add a little right rudder to skid without
changing heading. This makes it easier to get out the door, but be careful-
this is a critical phase of flight, an an excellent way to induce a spin.
(Practice your slow flight and review spin recovery.) It seems to be easiest
to leave the plane by squeezing out, facing forward, place a foot on the
step, check that all gear is clear, then just fall out backwards. The jumper
probably won't even get a hand on the strut, so may not get a chance to
latch the door closed. That's ok- you can descend and land safely with it
unlatched. If you do try to latch it yourself, remember to fly the plane
first! It's surprising how many crashes have occurred because of loss of
control while the pilot became pre-occupied doing just such a task. If
you're not feeling comfortable about any of this; no problem- jumps don't
cost that much at the drop zone, and it sure isn't worth the cost of
repairing the plane- or worse. Any other questions- please e-mail me or post
here. Good luck, Joel
Peter E. Miller wrote in message ...
>I am a pilot and my best friend loves to skydive.
>
>We want to combined our hobbies but neither of us know if it is:
>
>Safe to use a C182 or C172 to jump from
>
>and if so, how >
>Thanks !
>
>
John Sanders
>
> I am a pilot and my best friend loves to skydive.
>
> We want to combined our hobbies but neither of us know if it is:
>
> Safe to use a C182 or C172 to jump from
>
> etc.
>
> If anyone out there has, is or know anything about this I would appreciate
> any info.
>
> Thanks !
of course...u can always fly with the door off...that usually works
BS
Marc
Tina Marie
SKYMONROE <skym...@aol.com> wrote:
>( if needed ). Personally, I would not do it. Bill ( Drop zone owner &
We have this discussion periodically over in rec.aviation.piloting -
you might want to check DejaNews.
Here's my 2 cents: You don't want to figure out the exit while the
pilot is learning to fly jumpers. If you're not going to take off
the door (check the POH for the operating limitations with the door
off), find somebody at the DZ who has jumped out of a 172/182 with
a door. Then send him up with the pilot for a couple of jumps.
That will give the pilot an idea of what's going to happen. Then
you go up with him and figure out the exit. It'll reduce the
chances of stuff going wrong.
Alternately, if you're going to use a 182, borrow a jump pilot
for an afternoon - put your friend in the left seat, the jump
pilot in the right seat, and do the first couple of jumps that
way. Anything you can do to reduce the learning curve will help.
One other tip: the pilot should have spin training. Skydiving
is the one time when spins happen high enought to be recoverable -
not having the training is suicidal. Perferably, he should have
spin training in the plane he'll be flying.
Don't forget to file the NOTAM, and get the permission of the
property owner where you'll be landing. Make sure he understands
the radio calls he needs to make, and who he needs to make them
to (both the controller and UNICOM if you're on an airport).
Tina Marie
--
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http://www.neosoft.com/~tina \*\ Here comes an 's'!" - Dave Barry
Tina Marie
>opens the door to squeeze out, add a little right rudder to skid without
>changing heading. This makes it easier to get out the door, but be careful-
That's a slip, not a skid.
>cost that much at the drop zone, and it sure isn't worth the cost of
>repairing the plane- or worse. Any other questions- please e-mail me or post
That's another good point: If it's his plane, his insurance almost
certainly does not cover skydiving operations. If it's a rental,
he's probably in violation of his rental agreement. Both of those
cases leave you guys in bad shape if something happens to the plane.
Tina Marie
(who signed a rental agreement yesterday with more waiver junk then you
find on most skydiving waivers, and that won't allow me to land on
anything other then a _paved_ public-use airport. True, I didn't
want to take the Cheetah to a grass strip, but still...)
Mike Wright
Stealth Bomber because it is the only documented aircraft to penetrate
the Soviet air defense (and also land in Red Square). A political
cartoon showed the outline of the Stealth Bomber which was exactly the
same as the Cessna 172. So the real benefit is listing this unique
aircraft in your logbook.
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