A "God" experience - Skydiving?
Bradkoch
taking. The author is Dr. Deepak Chopra, selected as one of Time magazines top
100 icons and heroes of the 20th century.
Anyway, I got to a section of the book that describes what the "God experience"
is like, and how people of all cultures and religions seem to desribe this
experience in the same way. This is what is written in the book:
"...without adequate words to convey that (God) experience, we find certain
similarities from culture to culture:
-The body's heaviness becomes as if weightless.
-A sense of floating or looking down from above is felt.
-Breathing becomes lighter, rarefied, more even.
-Physical pain or discomfort are much lessened.
-A sense of energy streams through the body.
-Color and sound are heightened; increased sensitivity to all senses."
For what its worth, I'm not a religious nut, nor do I subscribe to any
particular religion. But don't these things sound very similar to something we
all know and love?
So next time someone asks you why you skydive, you can tell them - Your seeking
to get closer to God. ;)
Later on...
Brad
Ron Schott
>similarities from culture to culture:
>-The body's heaviness becomes as if weightless.
>-A sense of floating or looking down from above is felt.
>-Breathing becomes lighter, rarefied, more even.
>-Physical pain or discomfort are much lessened.
>-A sense of energy streams through the body.
>-Color and sound are heightened; increased sensitivity to all senses."
>
Or doing psychedelic drugs and/or you enter right brain awareness for the first
time or to a more acute sensitivity. 8-{)
=
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Ron Schott
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ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com
brad...@aol.com (Bradkoch) wrote:
[snip]
> -The body's heaviness becomes as if weightless.
Close. I've never felt "weightless" but it
does feel very unconstrained in all three dimensions.
> -A sense of floating or looking down from above is felt.
No, well, looking down from above I guess. I don't
look down much though. But not "floating" really. Flying,
but not floating.
> -Breathing becomes lighter, rarefied, more even.
Ha, well, rarely. Folks doing 4 way talk about
the NEED to breath this way, but stories abound of
folks holding their breath in freefall.
> -Physical pain or discomfort are much lessened.
Yes. Actually, except for rain, I rarely feel
pain from impacts etc. until after the canopy is
open.
> -A sense of energy streams through the body.
Nope.
> -Color and sound are heightened; increased sensitivity to all senses."
Sound is relatively deadened I think. To much of it and
fairly "white" in nature. Never noticed color. Truth is,
most folks can't remember the color of the jumpsuit that hit 'em.
Temperature always seems to work just fine, especially when its
COLD. I guess that's another pain I feel in freefall.
>
> For what its worth, I'm not a religious nut, nor do I subscribe to any
> particular religion. But don't these things sound very similar to
something we
> all know and love?
'Bout 2 outta 5 apparently. In actuality I've never
really done or heard of anything that directly compares to
free fall. Skiing comes close in the sense of speed and
interaction between the body and the medium, but the medium
is MUCH harder and really it's basically 2 dimensional.
SCUBA is a whole different world. Really, it's
only in the sense of ever present real danger that I find
much similar.
Golf has alot of the mental aspects in terms of
concentration, discipline, and awareness, but that's
'bout it.
Many of my out door/exploration kinda stuff has the
sense of interaction with the environment, but virtually none
of the other aspects.
Truth is, I think what sets skydiving apart is that
the play ground is "up there". The experience is one of
leaving "this world" and going somewhere else. All the
rules are different... all of 'em. It is, admittedly,
predominately a world which exists betwix our own ears.
It is a world of perception more than reality. You aren't
really "flying" in any real sense, but it really feels that
way and thinking of it as such makes it much easier to
understand. Every other sport, or activity, in which I
participate tends to be just a specialized form of "right
here". Heck, even my computer has a "desk top".
Kevin O'Connell
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Before you buy.
Keely M.
completely non-religious, non-spiritual person - but I started skydiving
when I was 19 just for the fun of it, and it ended up having a profound
effect on my view of life. It certainly didn't turn me into a Christian
(Thank God:-), but it did open my eyes to what "God" really is and it gave
me a much greater appreciation of life, and I now consider myself to be a
"spiritual" person mostly thanks to skydiving. Now if I can ever start BASE
jumping, perhaps that will get me even CLOSER to God ;-) Flame on....
Blue Skies Black Death,
Keely
Bradkoch wrote in message <20000426051740...@ng-bg1.aol.com>...
>I'm reading a book on the religions of the world for a college class I'm
>taking. The author is Dr. Deepak Chopra, selected as one of Time magazines
top
>100 icons and heroes of the 20th century.
>Anyway, I got to a section of the book that describes what the "God
experience"
>is like, and how people of all cultures and religions seem to desribe this
>experience in the same way. This is what is written in the book:
>
>"...without adequate words to convey that (God) experience, we find certain
>similarities from culture to culture:
>-The body's heaviness becomes as if weightless.
>-A sense of floating or looking down from above is felt.
>-Breathing becomes lighter, rarefied, more even.
>-Physical pain or discomfort are much lessened.
>-A sense of energy streams through the body.
>-Color and sound are heightened; increased sensitivity to all senses."
>
>For what its worth, I'm not a religious nut, nor do I subscribe to any
>particular religion. But don't these things sound very similar to something
we
>all know and love?
stuDent
Bradkoch wrote:
> So next time someone asks you why you skydive, you can tell them - Your
> seeking
> to get closer to God. ;)
I tell my mom that when I take her out for dinner. She says, "You don't have
to go up in an airplane to get closer to god"
I tell her, Mom, you don't know what you are talking about.
We leave it at that :-)
I hope I live as long as she has and still skydive....Lew, look out :)
james@pahokee
Josh
> Now if I can ever start BASE
> jumping, perhaps that will get me even CLOSER to God ;-) Flame on....
I'll let you know, I'm going to Norway in June!
Blue ones,
Josh
Mike Peat
ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote in message <8e6lta$p6o$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>
>does feel very unconstrained in all three dimensions.
>
>
>look down much though. But not "floating" really. Flying,
>but not floating.
>
>
>the NEED to breath this way, but stories abound of
>folks holding their breath in freefall.
>
>
>pain from impacts etc. until after the canopy is
>open.
>
>
>
>> -Color and sound are heightened; increased sensitivity to all senses."
>
>fairly "white" in nature. Never noticed color. Truth is,
>most folks can't remember the color of the jumpsuit that hit 'em.
>Temperature always seems to work just fine, especially when its
>COLD. I guess that's another pain I feel in freefall.
>
>>
>> particular religion. But don't these things sound very similar to
>something we
>> all know and love?
>
Paul Newbery
upon relating to them how Skydiving and riding motorcycles brings me closer to
god and my spirituality, they left me alone with a worried look on their
faces........... either they thought me to be a crazy bastard or they believed
me
Blue Skies
Croc
"Keely M." wrote:
> For me, skydiving is definitely a spriritual thing. I grew up as a
> completely non-religious, non-spiritual person - but I started skydiving
> when I was 19 just for the fun of it, and it ended up having a profound
> effect on my view of life. It certainly didn't turn me into a Christian
> (Thank God:-), but it did open my eyes to what "God" really is and it gave
> me a much greater appreciation of life, and I now consider myself to be a
> "spiritual" person mostly thanks to skydiving. Now if I can ever start BASE
> jumping, perhaps that will get me even CLOSER to God ;-) Flame on....
>
> Blue Skies Black Death,
> Keely
>
> Bradkoch wrote in message <20000426051740...@ng-bg1.aol.com>...
> >I'm reading a book on the religions of the world for a college class I'm
> >taking. The author is Dr. Deepak Chopra, selected as one of Time magazines
> top
> >100 icons and heroes of the 20th century.
> >Anyway, I got to a section of the book that describes what the "God
> experience"
> >is like, and how people of all cultures and religions seem to desribe this
> >experience in the same way. This is what is written in the book:
> >
> >"...without adequate words to convey that (God) experience, we find certain
> >similarities from culture to culture:
> >-The body's heaviness becomes as if weightless.
> >-A sense of floating or looking down from above is felt.
> >-Breathing becomes lighter, rarefied, more even.
> >-Physical pain or discomfort are much lessened.
> >-A sense of energy streams through the body.
> >-Color and sound are heightened; increased sensitivity to all senses."
> >
> >For what its worth, I'm not a religious nut, nor do I subscribe to any
> >particular religion. But don't these things sound very similar to something
> we
> >all know and love?
> >So next time someone asks you why you skydive, you can tell them - Your
> seeking
> >to get closer to God. ;)
> >Later on...
> >Brad
Ron Schott
>From: ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com
>Date: 04/26/2000 08:02 Eastern Daylight Time
Very perceptive. Good observations and analysis. Interesting.
Bradkoch
>the NEED to breath this way, but stories abound of
>folks holding their breath in freefall.
I have to say that I don't understand some of the intensity that some of the 4
way people that I observe seem to have. One of my pet peeves about skydiving is
how uptight some people are about what goes on during a fun jump. I understand
competition. I played many years of very successful baseball in my life. But
one of the things that drew me to skydiving is the absolute fun of it.
I can't stand it when I do flat flying and something doesn't go perfect and
people get all pissed off. I have seen people get seriously pissed about
missing a grip here or there or how someone screwed up the exit and so on...
I find myself freeflying more and more for the simple reason that freeflyers
seem to be having a hell of a lot more fun than the intense flat flyers.
I understand skysurfing, 4 way, 8 way and freefly teams of great skydivers
trying to compete and being serious about it. But as for the rest of us,
shouldn't we all just being having fun? Who cares if the exit didn't go
perfect, or someone blew apart a formation. Its all so much fun anyway, no one
should be pissed if you land a good canopy without hurting yourself.
I haven't totally given up on flat flying. Freeflyers rock and I love to jump
with them, but if there are any flat flyers in northern california who don't
take themselves too seriously then I'd love to try that discipline out.
If not, then I'll wait until my girlfriend is off student status and try it out
with her and until then I'll keep to practicing my sit.
Lets have fun folks, thats why we started this sport to begin with.
Brad
Bradkoch
RAM
jumpers. When RW came along the style and accuracy camp was on one side of
the fence and the RW folks on the other. Now you've got so many
"diciplines" that it's hard to keep them all straight!!!
Human nature being what it is I'd suggest that you don't spend any time
worrying about it, just have fun like you have been!!!
RAM
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ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com
brad...@aol.com (Bradkoch) wrote:
> >Ha, well, rarely. Folks doing 4 way talk about
> >the NEED to breath this way, but stories abound of
> >folks holding their breath in freefall.
>
of the 4
> way people that I observe seem to have.
Okay, listen carefully. I'm not arguing with you. I
understand your observations and I actually have had similar
feelings at one time or another. But maybe I can explain
SOME of what you see.
> One of my pet peeves about skydiving is
> how uptight some people are about what goes on during a fun jump. I
understand
> competition. I played many years of very successful baseball in my
life.
Can you remember a time when you weren't winning, or
maybe you were in a slump? Do you remember making an error,
or not running out a single into a double? Were you mad at
yourself? Were you having fun anyway? Would everyone
watching have known you were?
My Wonderful Wife(tm) took me to a golf resort for
one of my many birthdays (pause for jokes). It was a great
course, alot of fun to play. I didn't do very well. I
would come back to the cart (she drove, I golfed) pissin' and
moaning and then look at her, smile and say "man this is great".
She'd shake her head and say "couldn't prove it by me"
and drive on to the water hazard so I could take my drop.
The point being, that some of us are having fun even when
we are challenged beyond our abilities. It's just hard
to see sometimes.
> But one of the things that drew me to skydiving is the
> absolute fun of it.
You do understand that folks are drawn by different things.
> I can't stand it when I do flat flying and something doesn't go
perfect and
> people get all pissed off.
Yeah. I get there occasionally. I go up with some
goals in mind. When they aren't met, it can be frustrating.
Lately, I've tried to be careful to start my observations and
post dives with something to the effect of "ain't skydiving
GREAT!". Then I mention that JUST ONCE I'd like to be on
a double inverted backward Canadian Tee that launched
correctly.
> I have seen people get seriously pissed about
> missing a grip here or there or how someone screwed up the
> exit and so on...
Yup. Folks don't always express their frustrations
in the larger context of "ain't this sport great". Sometimes
you have to just remember it on your own.
> I find myself freeflying more and more for the simple reason that
freeflyers
> seem to be having a hell of a lot more fun than the intense flat
flyers.
Ha, yeah, I know what you mean. But you wanna talk
about not understanding something... I don't really enjoy
the whole "CRW vs. RW vs VRW vs style vs..." stuff. Oh,
it's fun to do as a joke. But I will admit that _I_ don't
understand all the fun the headdowners are having. How
many times can you imitate a lawn dart and call it fun.
But they ARE having fun so, hey, more power to 'em.
Trust me, alot of the belly fliers that are pissin' and
moaning are having fun too. You're just gonna have to
trust me on that one. I'll trust you on the freefly stuff.
> I understand skysurfing, 4 way, 8 way and freefly teams of great
skydivers
> trying to compete and being serious about it. But as for the rest of
us,
> shouldn't we all just being having fun?
We are.
> Who cares if the exit didn't go perfect, or someone
> blew apart a formation.
Cares? Well, I "care". Sometimes, I am
of the understanding that we all paid our money to go
up and try to accomplish something more than just
heading at the earth at deadly speeds. When I
don't achieve it (for the umpteeupmth time) it
can be frustrating. If I think someone else didn't
try, or intentionally screwed it up, it can
be doubly frustrating.
> Its all so much fun anyway, no one
> should be pissed if you land a good canopy without hurting yourself.
Oh, yes and no. I mean, yes, we have to keep our
failures, and really, our successes in perspective. But don't
I get to be frustrated when I don't succeed?
> I haven't totally given up on flat flying. Freeflyers rock and I love
to jump
> with them, but if there are any flat flyers in northern california who
don't
> take themselves too seriously then I'd love to try that discipline
out.
There are fewer and fewer. Flat flyers NEED each other
to do what they want to do. It's sorta "team for a jump".
In freeflying, apparently, you don't really NEED each other to
do what you love. RW is different. Because of that, it is
harder to create those jumps that are worth logging at length.
> If not, then I'll wait until my girlfriend is off student status and
try it out
> with her and until then I'll keep to practicing my sit.
> Lets have fun folks, thats why we started this sport to begin with.
> Brad
>
In the end, that is an important thing to remember. This
is SUPPOSE to be fun. If you're not having fun, you're doing
something wrong. Furthermore, take note of how your expressing
your fun and think about if it is stomping on someone elses.
Hammerin' on the newbie because he screwed up the donut isn't
cool and isn't fun. Telling him how he could have done it
better can be. If he just didn't care enough to try, then just
tell him he was screwing up your fun and in the future either
try or jump with someone else. But also be realistic about
who you're jumping with and what the group goals really are.
Ron Schott
>how uptight some people are about what goes on during a fun jump.
I agree with you 100%. There are some DZ's that I will not jump at because the
vibes are intensely negative. If I want perfection orientation, verbal
aggressiveness, and behavioral demands placed on me I'll work extra hours or
hang around the house. 8-{)
Maybe this environment of psychological heaviness is generated as a by-product
of making skydiving a way of life instead of a hobby?
Just a thought.
RonWelch_
work. We log, we get rattings, we engage in various
disciplines. I like to be left alone and have fun.
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Jeweljumps
room in the sky for everybody.
In skydiving as in life there are strokes for different folks. It is
perfectly fine for some folks to be performance driven.
They spent alot of time and money to get good enough to turn some rippn'
points. If some folks are just along for the fun "come what may" it can hold
back those who strive to reach their best on each and every jump.
But there are plenty of other folks who just wanna have fun and that is ok
too. Rather than critisizing people for being the way they are we might want to
spend our energy finding avenues for our own bliss.
"What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding."
Still fly'n freaky, Allen
Allen H. Williams D-8066
Freephly
_I_ don't
understand all the fun the headdowners are having. How
many times can you imitate a lawn dart and call it fun.
Call it challenging, there is fun in being challenged.
The best freeflyers can also manage good flatflying with minimal difficulty.
The opposite is not true.
Hence the term Total Body Pilot.
Freeflying, head-down, VRW, whatever you want to call it is much harder to
learn than flatflying. It has a much steeper learning curve.
Thats why we are called "extreme" skydivers and the rest are just plain old
skydivers.
If you want to fly your body for real come fly with me.
It's much more exciting than languishing in a controlled stall.
Deven.
ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com
free...@aol.com (Freephly) wrote:
> O'Connel said:
>
> > _I_ don't
> > understand all the fun the headdowners are having. How
> > many times can you imitate a lawn dart and call it fun.
>
But once you've mastered it...
>
> The best freeflyers can also manage good flatflying with minimal
difficulty.
>
> The opposite is not true.
Absolutely.
>
> Hence the term Total Body Pilot.
>
> Freeflying, head-down, VRW, whatever you want to call it is much
harder to
> learn than flatflying. It has a much steeper learning curve.
Absolutely
>
> Thats why we are called "extreme" skydivers and the rest are just
plain old
> skydivers.
>
> If you want to fly your body for real come fly with me.
And when I'm done?
>
> It's much more exciting than languishing in a controlled stall.
>
That's the part I can't agree with. I did it for a
time. Yes, it is more difficult. The margin for error is
narrower. The speeds are faster. But in the end, it's
just working real hard to act like a lawn dart. Other than
that, you're just flying around each other like the rest of
us, when you aren't just up there doing it alone.
I don't wanna get into some us vs. them kinda thing
here. It's a big sky and we can all fill it. I see alot
of folks having fun and that's cool. I just don't see it.
I don't feel what you feel. That was my original point.
Folks have different fun different ways. It may be
more exciting for you, but man, for me, it's like
trying to balance on a basketball. Once you've done it,
now what? Oh, you wanna now balance on 2? Now 3?
But I've talked to friends who have switched and
they have exactly the same feelings about RW. That's
just how feelings are.
Folks don't understand how these "real serious
folks" in RW are having fun. They don't LOOK like
they are having fun. Being real serious and disciplined
isn't most folks, especially skydivers, idea of fun.
But for some folks, it is.
Martin Evans
Jeweljumps <jewel...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hey, I am a <SNIP>,
flatflyer
>however it is more to the point to say that there is
> room in the sky for everybody.
> In skydiving as in life there are strokes for different folks.
>It is
> perfectly fine for some folks to be performance driven.
> They spent alot of time and money to get good enough to turn some rippn'
> points.
> If some folks are just along for the fun "come what may" it can hold
> back those who strive to reach their best on each and every jump.
> But there are plenty of other folks who just wanna have fun and that is
ok
> too.
> Rather than critisizing people for being the way they are we might want to
> spend our energy finding avenues for our own bliss.
See, there are two sides to every story! Allen's whole post was a series of
rational statements (points of view) linked together!
> "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding."
See Kevin, you don't hold the monopoly 'round here on that!
> Still fly'n freaky, Allen
> Allen H. Williams D-8066
Still flat (goal orientated) and happy! ;-)
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Freephly
lungs and screams towards the heavens, 'I AGREE WITH KEVIN O'CONNELL'!
Excellent!!!
Deven.
Fr...@ll.---
If I think someone else didn't
>try, or intentionally screwed it up, it can
>be doubly frustrating.
>
> But don't
>I get to be frustrated when I don't succeed?
>
. Telling him how he could have done it
>better can be. If he just didn't care enough to try, then just
>tell him he was screwing up your fun and in the future either
>try or jump with someone else. But also be realistic about
>who you're jumping with and what the group goals really are.
I think everyone needs to remember that when they do the post dive
there may be people listening that still have the jitters when they do
a solo! (some with over 100 jumps)
if they are interested in RW ,,,they may be turned off by comments you
think nothing of.
Don't be so quick to assume the newbie didn't try or intentionally
screwed up the dive. When you are scared it's hard to "try" to do
something you don't think your capable of in the first place. They may
be really good at "faking" cool.
If you want to be on the large dive.....hose everyone else on the
spot...have big discussions about "what happened on that exit?" ...
"what happened on that 2nd point?"...who did this or that...and then
go around the DZ with your nose in the air and the Skygod
attitude...don't be surprised when the newbies hang with the
freeflyers! A big smile and a friendly attitude goes a long way!
If you want to promote RW make sure you don't have the attitude....
find some of the newer jumpers that you may have to coax into doing
even a 2-way. Start with very simple jumps and make sure they know
that you don't care if you don't make one point. Then you will help RW
and you'll soon have plenty of people to jump with.
Freephly
Still flat (goal orientated) and happy! ;-)
It seems like the general feeling amongst flatflyers is that freeflyers just
want to have fun and have no defined goals. Or, have no desire to turn
"rippin" points. This way of thinking is wrong. All the very experienced
freeeflyers that i've jumped with seem to desire the same type of RW "success"
that we see and admire from some rippin 4-way and 8-way teams.
Right now it takes the very best in the world to do a few points on a VRW
ten-way.
Because of this fact we are hardly justified in being too critical of someones
performance during a less challenging group VRW dive with lower experience
levels.
The emphasis is and should always be on safety, the rest will come as we gain
experience and #'s of flyers.
There are 10's of 1000's, of flatflers who can turn a respectable # of points
on a RW dive.
The # of freeflyers on the planet who can do it routinely are still quite low,
probably only in the 100's, maybe the 1000's.
I suppose becoming a better freeflyer is not a "real Goal" by some of your
standards.
Working toward and passing the AD test is not a real goal either.
Learning to track as far as you can is not a goal.
Making it through two sequences of the Space Games compulsory round is not a
goal.
What will the flatflyers do when all their future best natural talent start
freeflying instead?
I'll tell you what they'll do.
They will be a hard-ass to the next promising, up an coming, prodigal rookie
for missing one grip and you will piss him/her off and the next time you see
him he will be hanging out with the Freaks.
Here something to chew on:
I was the 2nd to last diver on a 2-point (flat) 20 way.
Does'nt seem like much until you consider that it was my 16th flat
skydive(Includes AFF) after about 700 at the time.
And you know what, it was fun as shit, and I would do it again, if I could ever
get off of my head long enough.
Now try to find a 16 freefly jump/800 RW jump flyer who can cross over the same
way to maybe a simple 2-point head-down 4-way with the first point launched.
Sorry dude, you don't have the experience to come on this dive, set some goals
and we may see you here in a few 100 jumps.
Deven
AD#155
Freephly
Folks don't understand how these "real serious
folks" in RW are having fun. They don't LOOK like
they are having fun. Being real serious and disciplined
isn't most folks, especially skydivers, idea of fun.
But for some folks, it is.
----------------------
I agree with you whole heartedly.
It's a very personal thing.
As a design engineer I spend way too much time in high stress situations
dealing with assholes and worrying about people safety issues. The massochist
in me enjoys it at work, but not at the DZ.
I use skydiving for stress relief. I try to relax and be as free and easy and
as laid back as I can.
Before I started skydiving I was stressed to the max. Now I'm as happy as can
be and looking forward to this weekend's boogie.
Deven
Martin Evans
Freephly <free...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000427124517...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
> Martin said:
>
> Still flat (goal orientated) and happy! ;-)
Deven wrote:
> It seems like the general feeling amongst flatflyers is that freeflyers
just
> want to have fun and have no defined goals. Or, have no desire to turn
> "rippin" points. This way of thinking is wrong. All the very experienced
> freeeflyers that i've jumped with seem to desire the same type of RW
"success"
> that we see and admire from some rippin 4-way and 8-way teams.
<Snip a bunch of 'stuff n' smoke'>
> Sorry dude, you don't have the experience to come on this dive, set some
goals
> and we may see you here in a few 100 jumps.
>
>
> Deven
> AD#155
Deven,
I find your writing style to the newsgroup (and in e-mail) difficult to
understand. I can never tell whether you are replying to the poster or just
talking in general to the newsgroup?
If you're replying to me personally you are obviously not up to speed on my
feelings about very much at all, in fact you are way off track!
Just to clarify, I really don't care what kind of jumping one prefers, to me
people are just people and skydivers just skydivers regardless of their
chosen disciplines, I take a person for who they are
.......................!
If you were to research dejanews you would find that I am a firm believer
'that it is just a matter of time before freeflying becomes as goal
orientated as other disciplines'. The remark that you took from my post and
have quoted above was just a tiny tongue in cheek comment on previous
comments made by others here in the past and had no serious connotation.
Down boy!
;-)
Just for the record I have made a number of headdown dives and found it not
that difficult (to achieve to very, very limited ability), I just don't find
it very satisfying and would rather invest my income in more worthwhile (to
me) projects than to fritter it away just to say 'I can do that'!.
To each his own eh!
Freephly
Deven,
I find your writing style to the newsgroup (and in e-mail) difficult to
understand. I can never tell whether you are replying to the poster or just
talking in general to the newsgroup?
Both!
Thats the beauty of it. DWI
Adapt and overcome, free your mind.
You seem to spend most of your time looking for someone to argue with or to
belittle.
Writing to the NG is not supposed to be formal, structured, or even direct.
If you're replying to me personally you are obviously not up to speed on my
feelings about very much at all, in fact you are way off track!
**Its nice that you pointed out the irrelevant**
Just to clarify, I really don't care what kind of jumping one prefers, to me
people are just people and skydivers just skydivers regardless of their
chosen disciplines, I take a person for who they are
.......................!
***Likewise................***
If you were to research dejanews
You do that!, research what people say on here, thats kind of like living in
the past don't you think?
you would find that I am a firm believer
'that it is just a matter of time before freeflying becomes as goal
orientated as other disciplines'.
Here we go, back on track.
Matter of time?
It already is and has been for awhile, flatflyers just dont see or understand
it because its different.
**My point is that we are as goal oriented as you guys are now. Look at the
difficulty level***
The remark that you took from my post and
have quoted above was just a tiny tongue in cheek comment on previous
comments made by others here in the past and had no serious connotation.
**I know, but it was a great lead in toward some dialog on goals now was'nt
it.**
**Head Down boy**
I was'nt trying to attack you, belittle you, or talk down to you. (like you
seem do to everyone else).
Just for the record I have made a number of headdown dives and found it not
that difficult (to achieve to very, very limited ability), I just don't find
it very satisfying and would rather invest my income in more worthwhile (to
me) projects than to fritter it away just to say 'I can do that'!.
To each his own eh!
***To each his own.....***
Are you Canadian?
A goal met is a reason to say , "hey I can do that"
I was just making points on the "goal" issue. It was in no way ment to be a
personal attack at you or anyone.
Why are you so defensive? Are you getting alot of returns on what you dish
out?
Our perspectives on everything in skydiving differ quite alot and the reason is
that you are a professional skydiver and I am not.
I do this for fun only, period.
I want to try everything, all disciplines, all the stuff in skydiving.
I'm saving flat-flying for the day when I get old and feeble and become a
skygod like you.
Deven.
Mary Jo Robinson
ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote:
> > > _I_ don't
> > > understand all the fun the headdowners are having. How
> > > many times can you imitate a lawn dart and call it fun.
> >
> > Call it challenging, there is fun in being challenged.
>
> But once you've mastered it...
You have NEVER mastered it, NEVER. Nor will ANY of us. Olav has NOT
mastered it. The Flyboyz have not mastered it. Nobody has and NOBODY
will. So what now? Those with the freefly frame of mind know what to
do.
> > The best freeflyers can also manage good flatflying with minimal
> difficulty.
> >
> > The opposite is not true.
Because flatflying takes more imput and work to move anywhere vs.
freeflying (rather VRW). VRW takes less *work* which a lot of people
who have been 'working' have trouble with at first.
> > Freeflying, head-down, VRW, whatever you want to call it is much
> harder to
> > learn than flatflying. It has a much steeper learning curve.
I would disagree a little here. Vertical flying is easier to 'trim'
here and there. Flatflying, you have to use your whole body much more
to get a similiar speed motion out of.
> > If you want to fly your body for real come fly with me.
>
> And when I'm done?
You are never done. That is the beauty of it. Both of you don't seem
to understand or recognize the difference between freefly and VRW. I
think freephly does, but he isn't showing it... ;^)
> > It's much more exciting than languishing in a controlled stall.
Not always, but mostly, yes. I have been on some pretty damn rockin
tracking (flat/horizontal/belly) dives that came darn close to my best
peak experiences.
> That's the part I can't agree with. I did it for a
> time. Yes, it is more difficult. The margin for error is
> narrower. The speeds are faster. But in the end, it's
> just working real hard to act like a lawn dart. Other than
> that, you're just flying around each other like the rest of
> us, when you aren't just up there doing it alone.
You have been watching too much video. None of what you have seen
exists, it never has, it may have been an idea that once passed through
your mind. But it doesn't really exist. Get creative, let ideas come
forward even if you want to stay on your belly. I bet there are a
trillion things you can do that you haven't yet thought of on your
belly.
> I don't wanna get into some us vs. them kinda thing
> here. It's a big sky and we can all fill it. I see alot
> of folks having fun and that's cool. I just don't see it.
What you see is a bunch of baggy suited freaks who are imitating Olav
and the ideas he had. And creative spirit he used. In reality, when
the dust settles, there will be a large disciplined VRW group that looks
and flys very similiarly to the *vertical freeflyers* (as I like to call
them). I KNOW there are the rebels/freeflyish/open your mind types
still in RW. The problem is that the people see the majority and treat
them as the 'flatflyer clique' and the same goes for RWers. True
freefly is not held to any one position as long as your mind is open to
all others. The older flat-freeflyers flew and fly flat because that is
all they knew possibly (or that the gear didn't allow other positions
safely) or they were experimenting and still are with flatflying.
> I don't feel what you feel. That was my original point.
> Folks have different fun different ways. It may be
> more exciting for you, but man, for me, it's like
> trying to balance on a basketball. Once you've done it,
> now what? Oh, you wanna now balance on 2? Now 3?
We'll have to fly sometime in the future.
> But I've talked to friends who have switched and
> they have exactly the same feelings about RW. That's
> just how feelings are.
How sad. There is a WORLD to explore on your belly.
> Folks don't understand how these "real serious
> folks" in RW are having fun. They don't LOOK like
> they are having fun. Being real serious and disciplined
> isn't most folks, especially skydivers, idea of fun.
> But for some folks, it is.
Most of them are having fun of a different sort. One that comes with
discipline and work. and is best achieved by those of similiar caliber
and skill. Others who aren't yet of that skill haven't met the
'requirements' of recieveing that kind of fun. It does exist, but it
has pre-requistites to attaining it, that is the difference.
Fly free...
Paulie D-21740
Bradkoch
>maybe you were in a slump? Do you remember making an error,
>or not running out a single into a double? Were you mad at
>yourself? Were you having fun anyway? Would everyone
>watching have known you were?
Good point, sort of. The reason I quit baseball was because the competitive
side made me lose the love for it.
When I say that RW folks are too serious about what they do, I'm not referring
to certain groups of people: Competition teams and those who are make a living
from the profession. But the majority of fun jumpers don't compete on a team.
Here is an example of what I'm talking about:
I did a 2 way RW jump with a guy who had about 300 jumps (I have 87). During
the skydive I got a little high on him. I flew down to him and landed on his
back causing him to flip. I thought it was funny and I didn't do it on purpose.
I was having a grand ole time. We completed the skydive and turned to track and
open.
On the ground I was hootin and hollerin about how much fun that was and he was
really pissed about what happened. He got into this long talk with me about
what I did wrong and how we didn't finish all that was planned for the skydive.
I wouldn't have minded a little friendly advice about what I could do better. I
am always looking to learn more. But I didn't understand how pissed someone
could be about how this "FUN" jump didn't go perfect.
We weren't competing with anyone so why does it matter what happens on the
jump?
Brad
Jim Bozarth
>From: free...@aol.com (Freephly)
>I'm saving flat-flying for the day when I get old and feeble and become a
>skygod like you.
>
>
>Deven.
Damn ! Martin , that must have been a crushing blow ! :o)
,,
jim
wannabe skygod
jrprice
the unexpected. Get mad about it? Jeeeez...
Isn't that what it's all about? How's the low timer going to learn
otherwise?
I've been "bounced on" more times than I can count... I just reach up, peel
'em off my back and put 'em in their slot . Besides, a good rodeo can be
fun! ;-)
Blue skies,
Bob P
Cris G <cr...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000427200157...@ng-cg1.aol.com...
> Brad wrote:
>
> ><snip>>>
> So, you almost killed the guy and can't understand why he got mad. I
wouldn't
> be mad.. I just wouldn't jump with you until I was sure that you wouldn't
land
> on my back. If this guy expected it to go as planned, he should have
chosen
> someone with more jumps. I understand both sides.
>
>
> blue skies
>
> Cris
> D-21518
>
> **"When ideas fail, words come in very handy." unknown**
Fr...@ll.---
>Brad wrote:
>
>>I did a 2 way RW jump with a guy who had about 300 jumps (I have 87). During
>>the skydive I got a little high on him. I flew down to him and landed on his
>>back causing him to flip.
>
>So, you almost killed the guy and can't understand why he got mad. I wouldn't
>be mad.. I just wouldn't jump with you until I was sure that you wouldn't land
>on my back. If this guy expected it to go as planned, he should have chosen
>someone with more jumps. I understand both sides.
>
How silly...You can never tell from one jump to the next if
someone might land or roll over your back and it may be the fault of
someone else on the dive. I would just laugh and ask you how you
liked my flip ! Hell... let's go do a rodeo dive !!! :)
Cris G
>I did a 2 way RW jump with a guy who had about 300 jumps (I have 87). During
>the skydive I got a little high on him. I flew down to him and landed on his
>back causing him to flip.
So, you almost killed the guy and can't understand why he got mad. I wouldn't
be mad.. I just wouldn't jump with you until I was sure that you wouldn't land
on my back. If this guy expected it to go as planned, he should have chosen
someone with more jumps. I understand both sides.
Jim Bozarth
>From: cr...@aol.com (Cris G)
>I flew down to him and landed on his
>>back causing him to flip.
>So, you almost killed the guy and can't understand why he got mad.
Cris , come on now.....your'e being just a hair melodramatic.....he didnt
almost kill anyone.....he got in his burble and fell on the guys back. Geez ,
if I chewed out all the newbies that have landed on my back all these years I
wouldnt have any time for jumping.
,,
jim
skydiver in training
kizzie92
> Interesting I had a visit from the local Jehovah Witness church
today........
> upon relating to them how Skydiving and riding motorcycles brings me
closer to
> god and my spirituality, they left me alone with a worried look on
their
> faces........... either they thought me to be a crazy bastard or they
believed
> me
HE HE HE HO HO HO!
Don't ya just love them visits. Jehovahs always look worried cos they
never know if they gonna get punched in the head when the door opens.
And anyways. Youze a skydiver. Course youze a crazy bastard.
:-^)
Tony
> Blue Skies
> Croc
> "Keely M." wrote:
>
> > For me, skydiving is definitely a spriritual thing. I grew up as a
> > completely non-religious, non-spiritual person - but I started
skydiving
> > when I was 19 just for the fun of it, and it ended up having a
profound
> > effect on my view of life. It certainly didn't turn me into a
Christian
> > (Thank God:-), but it did open my eyes to what "God" really is and
it gave
> > me a much greater appreciation of life, and I now consider myself to
be a
> > "spiritual" person mostly thanks to skydiving. Now if I can ever
start BASE
> > jumping, perhaps that will get me even CLOSER to God ;-) Flame
on....
> >
> > Blue Skies Black Death,
> > Keely
> >
> > Bradkoch wrote in message
<20000426051740...@ng-bg1.aol.com>...
> > >I'm reading a book on the religions of the world for a college
class I'm
> > >taking. The author is Dr. Deepak Chopra, selected as one of Time
magazines
> > top
> > >100 icons and heroes of the 20th century.
> > >Anyway, I got to a section of the book that describes what the "God
> > experience"
> > >is like, and how people of all cultures and religions seem to
desribe this
> > >experience in the same way. This is what is written in the book:
> > >
> > >"...without adequate words to convey that (God) experience, we find
certain
> > >similarities from culture to culture:
> > >-The body's heaviness becomes as if weightless.
> > >-A sense of floating or looking down from above is felt.
> > >-Breathing becomes lighter, rarefied, more even.
> > >-Physical pain or discomfort are much lessened.
> > >-A sense of energy streams through the body.
> > >-Color and sound are heightened; increased sensitivity to all
senses."
> > >
> > >For what its worth, I'm not a religious nut, nor do I subscribe to
any
> > >particular religion. But don't these things sound very similar to
something
> > we
> > >all know and love?
> > >So next time someone asks you why you skydive, you can tell them -
Your
> > seeking
> > >to get closer to God. ;)
> > >Later on...
> > >Brad
>
>
--
I have no wish to attain immortality through my work.
I wish to attain immortality through not
kizzie92
Paul Newbery <cr...@box.net.au> wrote:
> Interesting I had a visit from the local Jehovah Witness church
today........
> upon relating to them how Skydiving and riding motorcycles brings me
closer to
> god and my spirituality, they left me alone with a worried look on
their
> faces........... either they thought me to be a crazy bastard or they
believed
> me
Ho Hum!
I used to live next door to a house full of em and I never got a visit.
Maybe it was all them motorbikes turning up at 3 in the mornin and the
loud guitar music and the vodka drinkin wid irreputable women in the
back yard that convinced em we was a close to god as them. They never
even complained.
;-^) Tony
> Blue Skies
> Croc
> "Keely M." wrote:
>
--
I have no wish to attain immortality through my work.
I wish to attain immortality through not dying
Woody
Jan Meyer
snip
> I did a 2 way RW jump with a guy who had about 300 jumps (I have 87). During
> back causing him to flip. I thought it was funny and I didn't do it on purpose.
> I was having a grand ole time. We completed the skydive and turned to track and
> open.
> On the ground I was hootin and hollerin about how much fun that was and he was
> really pissed about what happened. He got into this long talk with me about
> what I did wrong and how we didn't finish all that was planned for the skydive.
hey, he is a (insert your favorite name for &%!%^$@!#$%).
Don't blame his bad attitude on flat flying.
He doesn't sound like a good rw jumper anyway. He can't handle some
87-jump jumper landing on his back without losing stability.
--
Jan Meyer
mailto:Aeroso...@MakeItHappen.com
http://www.MakeItHappen.com
http://www.DiveMaker.com
Flyincamra
>Cris , come on now.....your'e being just a hair melodramatic.....he didnt
>almost kill anyone.....he got in his burble and fell on the guys back. Geez
>,
>if I chewed out all the newbies that have landed on my back all these years
>I
>wouldnt have any time for jumping.
But he will never let you forget it if your name is David.
Oh wait, David didn't land on Jim's back, he landed on Jim's head......
Oh well, at least his aim was good........
Jan Devil
Martin Evans
--
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Freephly <free...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000427165429...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
> You seem to spend most of your time looking for someone to argue with or
to
> belittle.
Funny, I don't feel that's true of me but it's how I see you!
> Writing to the NG is not supposed to be formal, structured, or even
direct.
Depends on whether you are responding to a discussion or a person I would
have thought!
> If you were to research dejanews
>
> You do that!, research what people say on here, thats kind of like living
in
> the past don't you think?
Sometimes, helps me keep on track!
> I was'nt trying to attack you, belittle you, or talk down to you. (like
you
> seem do to everyone else).
Like I said, it's hard to tell!
Opps, there I go argueing with you again!
> I was just making points on the "goal" issue. It was in no way ment to be
a
> personal attack at you or anyone.
>
> Why are you so defensive? Are you getting alot of returns on what you
dish
> out?
I don't think of myself as 'dishing it out', being forthright maybe.
However, I can certainly give as good as I get and often better that,
however it comes at me!
> Our perspectives on everything in skydiving differ quite alot and the
reason is
> that you are a professional skydiver and I am not.
I didn't think we really had a problem here until this response of yours,
now I see that you are a little aggrieved. You really shouldn't let it show!
> I do this for fun only, period.
Weird! The spot you can put yourself in just having fun!
> I want to try everything, all disciplines, all the stuff in skydiving.
> I'm saving flat-flying for the day when I get old and feeble and become a
> skygod like you.
Funny how ones perceptions of a skygod differ ain't it. I would have
discribed you as just that! As for old and feeble, you can find that out for
yourself next winter while I'm in Z-Hills!
;-)
Bradkoch
>wouldn't
>be mad.
ehhh...Almost killed a guy? No, I flew over him and then fell on top of him.
The contact wasn't hard at all and I really thought it was funny (again I
didn't do it on purpose).
What I've decided to do is what a college professor of mine always talks about.
If you want to change the macro (big picture) you have to start with the micro
(little picture).
I intend to have as much fun skydiving for as long as I care to do it (probably
life, its in my blood now). When I'm old, experienced and hopefully good at the
various disciplines, I am going to always be looking out for and jumping with
the rookies.
I don't think all veterans are uptight jerks. On the contrary, I have met many
great people with a lot of experience in this sport who just want to have fun.
I'm going to remember the good and bad experiences I have had in my adolescent
skydiving career and I am going to make sure when I'm an experienced skydiver
that others have as much of a positive experience as possible.
Brad
PS I'd like to be like Marty from Byron - That guy should seriously win the
award for skydiver of the year.
Tom Beals
>fills his
>lungs and screams towards the heavens, 'I AGREE WITH KEVIN O'CONNELL'!
>
>
>Excellent!!!
>
>Deven.
But is that the FIRST time he agreed with Kevin???
Keely M.
;-)
BSBD,
Keely
Josh wrote in message <39072A...@seanet.com>...
>Keely M. wrote:
>> Now if I can ever start BASE
>> jumping, perhaps that will get me even CLOSER to God ;-) Flame on....
>
>I'll let you know, I'm going to Norway in June!
>Blue ones,
>Josh
freeflyer
>
> >I'll let you know, I'm going to Norway in June!
Going to Kjerag? Or just some non-skydiving/BASE related holiday?
Inquiring Norwegians want to know :o)
Espen
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Josh
>
> Josh wrote:
> >
> > >I'll let you know, I'm going to Norway in June!
>
> Going to Kjerag? Or just some non-skydiving/BASE related holiday?
> Inquiring Norwegians want to know :o)
Haven't worked out all the details, but Kjerag is the plan. Unless my
mom asks... in which case, I've always been fascinated by Trolls and
Sardines.
-Josh
freeflyer
>
> Haven't worked out all the details, but Kjerag is the plan.
Let me know when you'll be there. I live about 3 1/2 hrs from Kjerag,
so a day trip may not be out of the question. And, it's finally "legal"
for Norwegian skydivers to BASE jump so..... :o)
> Unless my
> mom asks... in which case, I've always been fascinated by Trolls and
> Sardines.
Hey now, leave the sardines out of it. Tell her you've always been
fascinated by Trolls and "smalahove". That should keep the questions
coming :o)
Freephly
Because flatflying takes more imput and work to move anywhere vs.
freeflying (rather VRW). VRW takes less *work* which a lot of people
who have been 'working' have trouble with at first.
You obviously do not know what the hell you are talking about and deserve a
serious flaming.
But since that is not my style I will leave the responses to your idiotic
statements to the expert flamers.
Flame on people so I don't have to......
Deven.
Mary Jo Robinson
Freephly wrote:
I would like to see you try. Falling at any slower fallrate takes more full
body effort and muscle strength to move. Course, I figure you are just joking.
Fly free...
Paulie D-21740
Jeweljumps
>Falling at any slower fallrate takes more full
>body effort and muscle strength to move.
No way is this any where near true. Even something as simple as reaching for a
grip at 180 mph takes so much more muscle to just keep your hand still and out
in front of you. The slower the air speed the less effort to deflect it.
Allen H. Williams D-8066
Mary Jo Robinson
Jeweljumps who drooled to write "Mary Jo" wrote:
> No way is this any where near true. Even something as simple as reaching for a
> grip at 180 mph takes so much more muscle to just keep your hand still and out
> in front of you. The slower the air speed the less effort to deflect it.
> Allen H. Williams D-8066
I am talking about movement. You are right as to what you are talking about.
Deceleration takes the most muscle, acceleration, the least. But when it comes to
moving in a stable position, anything horizontally stable takes more muscle work to
move. I know this from experience. Head down, I flick a finger and I MOVE; on my
belly I stretch all the way to the tip of my toes to get going pretty well (kind of
drastic, but you get my point). I rarely come down sore from a skydive except when
it is a tracking skydive- I just use more muscles for extended periods. Flock
dives (head down- moving horizontal) don't even tire my muscles a bit. :^)
Fly free...
Paulie D-21740
Freephly
I would like to see you try. Falling at any slower fallrate takes more full
body effort and muscle strength to move. Course, I figure you are just joking.
******************************************
Not joking!
I do not think you have sufficient experience freeflying to make such a
determination.
The vagueness of your statements reveals this fact.
You seem to be comparing "just basic freeflying" with turning 35 points in
time.
The really Hot 4- and 8 way through there bodies around like maniacs. It is
very physical. If you are to make an accurate "physical" performance
comparison you need to look at a part of freeflying that may compare equally to
something that "requires" that level of motion. Like say a couple tours
through a compulsory round.
You and your freefly partner go out, face of, and do this sequence twice in the
air. You have to remain relative and in sequence with you partner.
HD 360
front flip
cartwheel or weedwacker
tube
carve 3 full 360 rotations around each other
mindmeld
vertical compressed accordian.....
and repeat.........
And be in the saddle by 3000ft.
No train for this and do it over, and over, and over...............if you can?
But you can't can you.........
And since you can't this means that you do not know what you are talking about.
It's as simple as that.
Deven
AD-A 155
Mary Jo Robinson
Freephly wrote:
> Not joking!
>
> I do not think you have sufficient experience freeflying to make such a
> determination.
Actually, i don't think YOU have sufficient experience at BOTH to make such a
response. I DO both (regularly). I have over 600 freefly jumps and about 200
flatfly, with any 200 of either being a little of both. I am pretty current (ask
those who know me). I would say anyone with about 300 freefly and maybe 300
horizontal jumps who was *current* could make a pretty good assessment of the
differences between the two.
> You and your freefly partner go out, face of, and do this sequence twice in the
> air. You have to remain relative and in sequence with you partner.
>
> HD 360
> front flip
> cartwheel or weedwacker
> tube
> carve 3 full 360 rotations around each other
> mindmeld
> vertical compressed accordian.....
>
> and repeat.........
Are you a Clown or something?
> And be in the saddle by 3000ft.
>
> No train for this and do it over, and over, and over...............if you can?
Okay. And how does the sequence go for the other flyer (simultaneously, if you
could, thanks)? What is a "tube" BTW (besides that exit, and freefly toy)?
> But you can't can you.........
Sure can, is that supposed to be hard?
> And since you can't this means that you do not know what you are talking about.
Wait just a minute. You are assuming and making decisions based on absolute lack
of knowledge.
> Deven
> AD-A 155
Bet you got your AD while head down...
Fly free...
Paulie D-21740
Freephly
I guess you should define the degree of movement that you were talking about.
As far as "simple" motion, then I agree, freefly "movement" takes less effort.
I was lead to believe from your statements that you were talking about any and
all motion. This is where I disagree!
I'm I a Clown you ask?, circus or freefly?
I've flown with all the FF-clowns.
The sequence I described, most of it is in sequence with your partner, part is
just a switching base and dock type move.
You don't know what a tube maneuver is?
Deven.
Chris
> You don't know what a tube maneuver is?
Speaking of which, I want to do that with about 8 people for my 100th jump
comming up!
Bradkoch
>comming up!
Freefly with 8 people and you have only 100 jumps?! Be super careful about
which eight freeflyers you bring with you on your jump. I have been told by
many experienced freeflyers to stick to 2 ways until you have a lot of
experience and stability freeflying.
My 100th jump is coming up too. I'd like to do a big round 6-10 way flat fly or
a 2 way freefly for the occassion.
Brad
Freephly
My 100th jump is coming up too. I'd like to do a big round 6-10 way flat fly or
a 2 way freefly for the occassion.
Happy 100th dude.
Beer!!!!!!!!!
Man that seems like a long time ago, and its only been 5 years.
Deven
Bradkoch
>Beer!!!!!!!!!
Thanks a lot. Yeah I'll have to bring some beer out to the DZ. To tell you the
truth, I've never brought beer out to the DZ. I've dranken beer at different
DZs, but never brought it out. :0
Maybe I should start for my 100th jump. Part of the reason is that I really
don't have a "home" DZ yet. I bounce around between two. I like them both and
when I'm at one I kinda feel like I'm cheating on the other.
Anyway, I'll have beer in my car when number 100 arrives. It might be this
weekend!
Brad
William A Warner
>
> HD 360
> front flip
> cartwheel or weedwacker
> tube
> carve 3 full 360 rotations around each other
> mindmeld
> vertical compressed accordian.....
>
> and repeat.........
Deven,
Could you describe what a tube is? I haven't heard that one before
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Freephly wrote:
> The sequence I described, most of it is in sequence with your partner, part is
> just a switching base and dock type move.
Okay. So after the 3 carve revolutions, flyer B transitions to his feet for a
mindmeld. Does flyer B then remain on his feet for the vertical compressed or do
both transition to opposites for the vert. comp? The reason I ask is because
mindmeld to vert compressed really isn't that difficult or that 'changing' from
the last (the mindmeld). Now, if it were vertical compressed to mindmeld I like
that set better since it takes a little more flying to make that work on both
flyers parts. Or maybe even a meld to a toe grab then back up to a dock for a
joker to restart the sequence! Tasty!
> You don't know what a tube maneuver is?
Never heard any freeflyers at any California dzs (including Perris and Tahoe) use
that term except to describe the old "tube" exit or the freefly "tube" jumps.
Other than that, never heard of it (or at least the move referred to as that).
Could you describe?
Fly free...
Paulie D-21740
Evan Mortimore
Way to go Tom! The awareness of people like you helps to keep DZ fridges
stocked with beer around the world. Keep up the good work!
Evan