Rules/Laws regarding location
Sherif Fahmy
I have never had any experience with skydiving. So, this may be a stupid
question:
Is it ever possible to parachute onto a location of my own choice, other than
the designated areas that recreational skydiving facilities provide? If so, how?
Regarding feasability, it seems that many places offer jumps from helicopters
that are stationary. It seems that with a helicopter it would be easier
to "aim" accurately. I'm also not looking to jump from any great altitude,
since my purpose is not to experience free-fall, but simply to parachute
somewhere. A lower height should make it easier.
I guess this all depends on the answer to a few questions:
1) Where are planes or choppers allowed to fly and at what altitudes?
2) Are there any (legal) restrictions on where a person is allowed to jump (say
for example he owned his own chopper and equipment, so that there is no
question of liability)?
3) If the answer to #2 is no, then where do I find someone who'd assist me?
(would it make a difference if I did a tandem jump with a professional-- who
may be allowed to jump in more places??)
Thanks for your help,
new guy
Stephen Rafferty
ready...@nospam.hotmail.com wrote on 11/30/03 5:07 PM:
> Hi,
>
> I have never had any experience with skydiving. So, this may be a stupid
> question:
>
>...
> new guy
>
Obviously, you have something in mind. Why not come right out and ask the
real question? What is it you would like to do?
srr
Dave Littlewood
> Hi,
>
> I have never had any experience with skydiving. So, this may be a stupid
> question:
>
> Is it ever possible to parachute onto a location of my own choice, other than
> the designated areas that recreational skydiving facilities provide?
Yes
>If so, how?
Depends in which country you want to do it.
> Regarding feasability, it seems that many places offer jumps from helicopters
> that are stationary. It seems that with a helicopter it would be easier
> to "aim" accurately. I'm also not looking to jump from any great altitude,
> since my purpose is not to experience free-fall, but simply to parachute
> somewhere. A lower height should make it easier.
If you have not received proper training in the use of parachute
equipment it does not matter whether it's a helicopter or a plane. It
does not matter at what height you jump , you will most likely DIE.
> I guess this all depends on the answer to a few questions:
>
> 1) Where are planes or choppers allowed to fly and at what altitudes?
From what I have seen, they seem to fly pretty much anywhere they
like. But, there are restrictions, such as not flying anywhere near G.
W. Bush.
> 2) Are there any (legal) restrictions on where a person is allowed to jump (say
> for example he owned his own chopper and equipment, so that there is no
> question of liability)?
Yes, in a lot of countries. US, UK, Germany France etc
> 3) If the answer to #2 is no, then where do I find someone who'd assist me?
At your local Dropzone.
Tom Buchanan
not practical. When all is said an done, my hunch is that you will not be able
to make the jump you are asking about as a student skydiver, but if it's
something you really want to do, then by all means ask more questions.
Here in the USA we can make skydives just about anyplace with specific approval
of the FAA, or in some cases with simple consultation with the FAA. It depends
on the location, type of airspace, and the qualifications of the people
involved.
It sounds like your question is based on a specific target, so contact a local
skydiving center for a specific answer. Your phone call will probably be
answered by an office person who may or may not know about jumps away from the
drop zone (called demo or exhibition jumps), so ask to speak directly with an
instructor who can offer better guidance.
A great way to find a local drop zone is to visit www.uspa.org and click on the
"Learn About Skydiving" link. You will find another page with a list of every
USPA affiliated skydiving center that includes phone numbers.
If you are considering making your first jump, check out a book I wrote early
this year called "JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy." It was published by
McGraw-Hill and is available at many bookstores, as well as on line at places
like Amazn.com. In fact, I think Amazon is offering "JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun
and Easy" for 30 percent off the 14.95 cover price.
Blue Skies,
Tom Buchanan
Author, "JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy"
me
On/over your own property, you can do just about anything you want
to right up until someone decides you're suicidal. Beyond that,
there are vast areas of relatively unregulated airspace in which you
can do pretty much what you want to. The largest restriction is based
upon what land you are over, generally not the air in which you wish to
do it. Most public airports are relatively uncontrolled and obtain
federal funds which require them to allow access to almost all legitimate
aviation activities.
All of that said, you're gonna have a hard time finding anyone
to "help" you jump out of an aircraft unless and until you are
well trained. There are a few "freelance" tandem masters with their
own gear that might cooperate in jumping from an aircraft that
you arrange and onto land which you obtain permission.
Kevin O'Connell
Vedfolnir
>question:
thats ok you only git two types of answers on wreck---->stupid or snooty
> Is it ever possible to parachute onto a >location of my own choice, other
>than the designated areas that >recreational skydiving facilities provide?
>
ya didn't say what country you were in.
US of A in any unrestricted airspace with permission of the land owner, just
file a NOTAMS with the FAA...it helps if you know what your doing...ask someone
with an E lic. Why don't ya just go to the dz
and jump? Heads up thu all private pilots
don't read the NOTAMS...I've seen private planes cut under a jump plane over
DZ's
and their have been a few cases of people in freefall striking other aircraft
in FF at marked DZ's over the years here in the US.
the old Philosopher
SkydiverRick
> thats ok you only git two types of answers on wreck---->stupid or
> snooty
> the old Philosopher
Snuffy seems to have stupid covered quite well.
Vedfolnir
Jerrys afraid of bo bo's yet he skydives
why don't ya go give him some moral
support rather than be over here bothering me kid? ;)P
the old Philosopher
Tom Olson
Yeah, I know. Stupid is as stupid does. Like the Forest Gump of skydiving. I
was over in Beaumont this weekend looking for his Snuffness, and nobody has seen
him since the great crash.
They showed me the divot he left in the runway too. I was told that he left there
with his tail between his legs. LITERALLY!
Seems that Snuff Dog is scared to even come out of his shell. Just like a coward.
Anyway, Rick; Where can I get one of those E licenses??
Tom
David Ferree
wrote:
>> > thats ok you only git two types of answers on wreck---->stupid or
>> > snooty
>> > the old Philosopher
>>
>> Snuffy seems to have stupid covered quite well.
>>
>
>Yeah, I know. Stupid is as stupid does. Like the Forest Gump of skydiving. I
>was over in Beaumont this weekend looking for his Snuffness, and nobody has seen
>him since the great crash.
Just curious, Tom, but why would he want to come to a DZ now? Were
you not aware that he had a stroke that paralyzed his entire left
side, and yet that he still did his ill fated jump out of pure love of
skydiving?
Ironic that you would call him a coward while leveling this sort of
complete bullshit by way of being half true story. That's the tactic
of a true coward.
David
Tom Olson
around enough to see what he is made of.
Tom
"David Ferree" <david...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:tmpmsvgnc7dgm25lk...@4ax.com...
Jerry K.
wrote:
>On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:21:26 GMT, "Tom Olson" <ol...@webtoaster.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> > thats ok you only git two types of answers on wreck---->stupid or
>>> > snooty
>>> > the old Philosopher
>>>
>>> Snuffy seems to have stupid covered quite well.
>>>
>>
>>Yeah, I know. Stupid is as stupid does. Like the Forest Gump of skydiving. I
>>was over in Beaumont this weekend looking for his Snuffness, and nobody has seen
>>him since the great crash.
>
>Just curious, Tom, but why would he want to come to a DZ now?
It's clear he doesn't but then - if you ask him it's because of purely
political considerations which keeps him avoiding the prospect as
opposed to the practical.
>Were
>you not aware that he had a stroke that paralyzed his entire left
>side, and yet that he still did his ill fated jump out of pure love of
>skydiving?
Anybody can jump for love of the sport - it's not unique, though it
certainly is not to be discounted - I can respect jumping for the love
(I and many others do as often as we can) but there is a huge
difference between love and respect and his jump was entirely without
respect. He could have been smart and planned for what he was going
to do. He could have hung the harness and practiced controlling his
canopy on the ground before discovering that he had no control under
canopy in the air. He could have arranged for a single handed
steering and flaring system - such things exist and have been arranged
before. He could have spotted better instead of finding himself
having to crab a long ways. He could have steered around and avoided
that long, but as compared to the rest of the grass landing area at
the airport, very thin obstacle which was what he ultimately crashed
into - the runway, and he could have taken his lumps and accepted
responsibility for his mistakes - like most skydivers (or whuffos, for
that matter) instead of blaming the winds, the people who suggested he
fly a certain canopy when it was his decision, and blaming the canopy
he was jumping when the canopy was flying find and perfectly capable
of receiving control input - if such input was at the time available.
>
>Ironic that you would call him a coward while leveling this sort of
>complete bullshit by way of being half true story. That's the tactic
>of a true coward.
Hell, I'm no apologist for Tom (good guy and knowledgable rigger) but
utilization of the the complete bullshit and the half true story is
dingleberry's bread and butter. He can dish it out but he can't take
it - an ironic parallel of his short career in the sport.
...bsrp
...jlk
David Ferree
wrote:
>Actually, he was the one who leveled the dual to myself and Jerry. You are
>around enough to see what he is made of.
>
>Tom
Which has exactly nothing to do with the subject matter. I've called
him on being full of shit plenty of times, but this whole "I'm better
than you because I can still skydive" shit is just that; shit.
Of course now he'll have to give me shit over defending him since he
doesn't need it, but I'm not doing it for him.
David
JimBo
>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>Of course now he'll have to give me shit over defending him since he
>doesn't need it, but I'm not doing it for him.
>
>David
Who are you doing it for ?
Jim D-10154
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
Jerry K.
wrote:
>On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:58:28 GMT, "Tom Olson" <ol...@webtoaster.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Actually, he was the one who leveled the dual to myself and Jerry. You are
>>around enough to see what he is made of.
>>
>>Tom
>
>Which has exactly nothing to do with the subject matter. I've called
>him on being full of shit plenty of times, but this whole "I'm better
>than you because I can still skydive" shit is just that; shit.
Absolutely, just as the "I'm better than you because I *don't* skydive
(in the shitty world of skydiving) today is also shit.
>
>Of course now he'll have to give me shit over defending him since he
>doesn't need it, but I'm not doing it for him.
IMO his rhetoric is indefensible.
...bsrp
...jlk
Tom Buchanan
>to right up until someone decides you're suicidal. Beyond that,
>there are vast areas of relatively unregulated airspace in which you
>can do pretty much what you want to. The largest restriction is based
>upon what land you are over, generally not the air in which you wish to
>do it. Most public airports are relatively uncontrolled and obtain
>federal funds which require them to allow access to almost all legitimate
>aviation activities.
You can not jump in controlled airspace, nor in a congested area without
authorization. A jump onto your own property below uncontrolled airspace and
not in a congested area simply requires notification of ATC at least an hour in
advance.
Public use airports that receive federal funds don't really have to say yes to
your request. They can easily say no because they think it conflicts with local
traffic. It then becomes the jumpers responsibility to appeal to the FAA, a
process that takes a while and is a major hassle...probably not worth the
trouble for a single jump.
-tom buchanan
Vedfolnir
>
>Tom
same crackerjack box where yew got yer D boy o~;)
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>you not aware that he had a stroke that >paralyzed his entire left
>side, and yet that he still did his ill fated >jump out of pure love of
>skydiving?
>
>Ironic that you would call him a coward while leveling this sort of
>complete bullshit by way of being half true story. That's the tactic
>of a true coward.
>
>David
>
>
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>>around enough to see what he is made >of.
>Tom
>Which has exactly nothing to do with the subject matter. I've called
>him on being full of shit plenty of times, but this whole "I'm better
>than you because I can still skydive" shit is just that; shit.
>
>Of course now he'll have to give me shit >over defending him since he doesn't
need >it, but I'm not doing it for him.
>
>David
your doing it for Jimhoe right? He will be there in 10 or 15 years unless the
porking out catchs up with him o~;->
the old Philosopher
JimBo
>your doing it for Jimhoe right? He will be there in 10 or 15 years unless the
>porking out catchs up with him
Jimbo needs nothing from you, nor your yap dog defender.
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: Rules/Laws regarding location
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>
>>Of course now he'll have to give me shit over defending him since he
>>doesn't need it, but I'm not doing it for him.
>>
>>David
>
>Who are you doing it for ?
Truth, Justice, and the American Way!!!
I thought you kill filed me, or something. :-)
David
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: Rules/Laws regarding location
>>From: afan...@aol.com (Vedfolnir)
>
>>your doing it for Jimhoe right? He will be there in 10 or 15 years unless the
>>porking out catchs up with him
>
>Jimbo needs nothing from you, nor your yap dog defender.
Better a yap dog than a lap dog. :-)
David
Jen
JimBo
>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>I thought you kill filed me, or something. :-)
>
>David
Nope....just wrote you off the list of people I have respect for.
Vedfolnir
>>porking out catchs up with him
>
>Jimbo needs nothing from you, nor your >yap dog defender.
Got nuttin to give ya anyway fatty, being mostly muscle never had a floatie
problem so had no weight vest o~;)P
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>Better a yap dog than a lap dog. :-)
>
>David
either way, this old dogs yapping something that upsets porkygod ;)
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>I thought you kill filed me, or something. :-)
>Nope....just wrote you off the list of >people I have respect for.
>
>Jim D-10154
When ya git down to your fat self on the list, let us know skygod...we can
offer advice o~;->
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>porking out catchs up with him
>Jimbo needs nothing from you, nor your >yap dog defender.
>"Jen"
>UH-O......
yup I do believe we got smoking fuze ;->
the old Philosopher
JimBo
>When ya git down to your fat self on the list, let us know skygod...we can
>offer advice
Who's WE , asshole ....you got a turd in your pocket ?
Tom Olson
> him on being full of shit plenty of times, but this whole "I'm better
> than you because I can still skydive" shit is just that; shit.
Actually, he said that he was gonna whip my ass more than 20 times in the past 6
months. I was looking for him on that basis. I know that he can not skydive any
longer. But, I have been looking for a good ass whipping.
Tom
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: Rules/Laws regarding location
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>
>>I thought you kill filed me, or something. :-)
>>
>>David
>
>Nope....just wrote you off the list of people I have respect for.
Considering the sort of people, at least some, that you do have
respect for, I'll take that as high praise indeed. Particularly since
the apparent reason you lost "respect" for me is that I criticized you
for allying yourself with people that have and deserve none
whatsoever. Either that or because I dared to breach the sanctity of
the brotherhood of god damned stoned idiots. Either way, good enough.
David
David Ferree
wrote:
>> Which has exactly nothing to do with the subject matter. I've called
Oh, sure, now you have to call him gay.
Vedfolnir
>Yeah, I know. Stupid is as stupid does. >Like the Forest Gump of skydiving.
>I was over in Beaumont this weekend >looking for his Snuffness, and nobody
>has seen
>him since the great crash.
no reason to go I cain't skydive anymore
Ifin yew wuz looking for me ya wudda been in Polk County...but you city boys
are afraid of the big thicket ain't ya? ;-*
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>>offer advice
>
>Who's WE , asshole ....you got a turd in your pocket ?
>
>Jim D-10154
>
yuh yer ego ;-*
the old Philosopher
JimBo
>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>>Nope....just wrote you off the list of people I have respect for.
>Particularly since
>the apparent reason you lost "respect" for me is that I criticized you
>for allying yourself with people that have and deserve none
You lieing motherfucker. You accused me of being a doper.....knowing full well
that I am not now...nor ever have been.
So fuck off yapdog
Jerry K.
wrote:
>On 01 Dec 2003 19:30:20 GMT, sb...@aol.comnooospam (JimBo) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: Re: Rules/Laws regarding location
>>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>>
>>>Of course now he'll have to give me shit over defending him since he
>>>doesn't need it, but I'm not doing it for him.
>>>
>>>David
>>
>>Who are you doing it for ?
>
>Truth, Justice, and the American Way!!!
>
I can't think of any better motivation. Right on.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>David Ferree
>
>>I thought you kill filed me, or something. :-)
>
>
>>Nope....just wrote you off the list of >people I have respect for.
>>
>>Jim D-10154
>
>When ya git down to your fat self on the list, let us know skygod...we can
>offer advice
When the pig call someone a swine it don't sting too much.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: Rules/Laws regarding location
>>From: afan...@aol.com (Vedfolnir)
>
>>When ya git down to your fat self on the list, let us know skygod...we can
>>offer advice
>
>Who's WE , asshole ....you got a turd in your pocket ?
>
Down his throat, from top to bottom. His bullshit runneth over.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Jimbo needs nothing from you, nor your >yap dog
>
>>Better a yap dog than a lap dog. :-)
>>
>>David
>
>either way, this old dogs yapping something that upsets porkygod
Looks like hairballs.
...bsrp
...jlk
Vedfolnir
>Particularly since
>the apparent reason you lost "respect" >for me is that I criticized you
>for allying yourself with people that have >and deserve none
>
>You lieing motherfucker. You accused me of being a doper.....knowing full
>well
>that I am not now...nor ever have been.
>So fuck off yapdog
>
>Jim D-10154
do you also denie being porky? o~;->
the old Philosopher
Jerry K.
>>Anyway, Rick; Where can I get one of >those E licenses??
>>
>>Tom
>
>same crackerjack box where yew got yer D boy
Hey Rick - back when you got your D, I'll bet that was back when
crackerjack had the good prizes whereas when Snuffie tore open his it
was probably one of those bullshit temporary tattoos.
Heh heh - what's dingleberry's D number? Now, what's Rick's? How
long you been skydiving, Rick? Ever pulled any magnificent stupids
that removed you from the sport permamently, Rick? Oh, wait - you
were jumping this past weekend, weren't you, Rick. Guess you're still
current.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>When ya git down to your fat self on the list, let us know skygod...we can
>>>offer advice
>>
>>Who's WE , asshole ....you got a turd in your pocket ?
>>
>>Jim D-10154
>>
>
>yuh yer ego
Whoa! First he calls JB a skygod and now he suggests he has ego
problems. The pig ain't just calling someone else swine, the pig's
saying he don't like swine, either.
...bsrp
...jlk
Mike Spurgeon
> You accused me of being a doper...
Actually, he didn't.
You just read it that way, and asked him if he did.
Jerry K.
>>"Tom Olson"
>>Yeah, I know. Stupid is as stupid does. >Like the Forest Gump of skydiving.
>>I was over in Beaumont this weekend >looking for his Snuffness, and nobody
>>has seen
>>him since the great crash.
>
>no reason to go I cain't skydive anymore
Oh, I dunno about that - there's the whole having a clue about what's
really going on which could significantly enhance your take on what's
going on here. There's also the prospect of giving back in a venue
and in a way that might have a shadow of a ghost of a chance of making
a difference, rather than the prospects which they are relegated to in
here, and there is the spectecal of trying your act live - to see if
it would play in Peoria...wait, you tried that back during the short
period when you jumped and it didn't play then so scratch that one.
>Ifin yew wuz looking for me ya wudda been in Polk County...but you city boys
>are afraid of the big thicket ain't ya?
Hmmm...travel up northeast into yankee country just to confront some
jaded layabout squatting in a 2nd hand trailer in a deercamp or go to
a dropzone and jump...my choice is made but I'll give you the heads up
next time I'm up that way with enough lead time for you to fashion
some lameass excuse. Funny, you never gave us the head's up about
being over at Bill Lee's when you were in town for the tuneup - afraid
someone might show up?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Heh - the pig's suggesting someone else is porky. Gotta love it!
...bsrp
...jlk
bigjim
"Mike Spurgeon" <mi...@spurgeon.net> wrote in message
news:vsnseat...@corp.supernews.com...
Look before you leap Mike, not a lot of ways you can read this:
>>Subject: Re: ChristSkyd responds to Josh W.
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>
>>what I don't realize is whether or not you actually think anyone,
>>anywhere (other than your lap dog drug buddies, Jim, Jim, and Josh)
>
Assuming I'm the other Jim clueless David refers to, he doesn't even know
who I am, let alone what sort of substances I use.
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: Rules/Laws regarding location
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>
>>>Nope....just wrote you off the list of people I have respect for.
>
>>Particularly since
>>the apparent reason you lost "respect" for me is that I criticized you
>>for allying yourself with people that have and deserve none
>
>You lieing motherfucker. You accused me of being a doper.....knowing full well
>that I am not now...nor ever have been.
>So fuck off yapdog
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Jimbo (and I mean this in the most caring and
constructive way possible), your memory of what you do around who has
apparently been affected by what you do. But why did you snip the
rest of the post where I said exactly what you said I didn't?
Or were you stoned again and just missed it? LOL
And what is this shit about having never been a doper? What are you,
sick?
David
David Ferree
wrote:
Ok, I'll buy that, if you insist. I guess you'll just have to claim
the status of god damned idiot entirely on it's own merits. :-)
David
David Ferree
If Jimbo isn't porky, he's never smoked a joint. :-)
The only thing I don't get is why anyone gets so upset about what they
do. I mean, it's their choice, and no law is going to come down on
them in this day and age unless they're really acting out, which he
doesn't. Hell, my guess is that more than 50% (maybe 90%?) of
skydivers in general and posters here smoke dope. Big fucking deal.
The fact that I made the mistake of disrespecting the holy grail of
the brotherhood of skydiving dope smokers should really have no
bearing on said brotherhood's level of anger. Then again, smoking
dope kind of messes up your mind that way. LOL
David
Jerry K.
wrote:
>On 02 Dec 2003 00:35:04 GMT, sb...@aol.comnooospam (JimBo) wrote:
I prefer the Spanish term, "Marijuanos." I think it sounds cooler.
Remember - they can't smell pills.
...bsrp
...jlk
bigjim
the status of god damned idiot entirely on it's own merits.''
Proud to be seen as a god damned idiot in the eyes of a totally clueless
fuck like you.
bigjim
Unless you get carried away with them and puke them back up while they're
pushing you around slapping the cuffs on. - Happened to a girl I know. .
Sherif Fahmy
> ready...@nospam.hotmail.com wrote on 11/30/03 5:07 PM:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have never had any experience with skydiving. So, this may be a stupid
> > question:
> >
> >...
> > new guy
> >
> Obviously, you have something in mind. Why not come right out and ask the
> real question? What is it you would like to do?
>
> srr
>
>
To answer your question and some of the others, I would like to surprise a girl
at a surprise birthday party (for her) by parachuting onto her yard. It's a
pretty wide property behind her house, but is probably small enough that it
would require pretty precise landing (I don't know, about the size of a
football field, maybe a little less). It'd be private property but not mine.
Getting permission is sort of out of the question, because then it wouldn't be
a surprise...
On the other hand, I can try to have the party at a nearby park. And to answer
you all, I live in New Jersey, USA.
Thanks,
new guy
David Ferree
wrote:
Good. My job here is to spread joy and happiness. :-)
Jerry K.
wrote:
>On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:33:04 -0600, Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote:
I've experimented with a pretty wide variety of medicines, laughed my
ass off, and had the time of my life - sorry. Not a regular user,
mind you - haven't bought it in many, many years but I don't have a
problem with it as long as the people that imbide in whatever they're
imbiding in don't become irresponsible dickheads with all the
self-realized and selfish supposed right in the world to act like
assholes - "I'm fucking wasted everyone!!! Ain't that a gas?!
Woooo!!!" - just as likely amongst the recreational boozers but booze
is neither here nor there except to say the blowhards always picking
fights? Probably drunk. The Marijuanos? It's impossible to pick a
fight in that condition.
<with apologies to Bill Hicks, RIP>
(guy trying to pick a fight while high) "Hey Buddy!!!"
"Hey What?"
"...oh, sorry - I was taking things seriously."
<and with apologies to Brad Lambert pretending to be a cop>
"Shit, leave the drinkers alone - doesn't take a lot to set some of
those ticking bombs off. The stoners? Hell - they never seem put up
a fight - let's fuck with them!"
...bsrp
...jlk
SkydiverRick
...but you
> city boys are afraid of the big thicket ain't ya? ;-*
> the old Philosopher
That's where farm animals lose their virginity.
JimBo
>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>>Proud to be seen as a god damned idiot in the eyes of a totally clueless
>>fuck like you.
>
>Good. My job here is to spread joy and happiness. :-)
>
Good...seeing how youve singlehandedly chased all the women off.
Jerry K.
wrote:
>"Remember - they can't smell pills"
>
>Unless you get carried away with them and puke them back up while they're
>pushing you around slapping the cuffs on. - Happened to a girl I know. .
Aw, I figure they smelled the puke and saw the pills but you're right
- the key to recreational medicine, no matter it's relative societal
political correctness, is to not go nuts and act like a jerkwad. Being
high, stoned, drunk does not automatically afford anyone the right to
act like an asshole without due consequences - a fact that some people
sadly often forget, to their detriment.
...bsrp
...jlk
SkydiverRick
Was qualified for a D in 1981. I didn't get it or any other license until
about '90. Licenses and USPA didn't mean as much before then. The only
stupid stunts that I can think of is when we used to "borrow" airplanes to
make drunken night jumps. They did not result in injury to ourselves or the
plane though. I'm pretty sure that the statute of limitations is up on this
however.
Jerry K.
<ready...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>in article gvwyb.2016351$Id.3...@news.easynews.com, Sherif Fahmy at
>> ready...@nospam.hotmail.com wrote on 11/30/03 5:07 PM:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I have never had any experience with skydiving. So, this may be a stupid
>> > question:
>> >
>> >...
>> > new guy
>> >
>> Obviously, you have something in mind. Why not come right out and ask the
>> real question? What is it you would like to do?
>>
>> srr
>>
>>
>
>To answer your question and some of the others, I would like to surprise a girl
>at a surprise birthday party (for her) by parachuting onto her yard.
Nice thought - if you can make it happen (legally and with a
reasonable amount of attention to safety considerations), I say go for
it.
>It's a
>pretty wide property behind her house, but is probably small enough that it
>would require pretty precise landing (I don't know, about the size of a
>football field, maybe a little less).
Football field is doable for experienced jumpers but there are other
factors to consider which with the presence of would scotch any
skydiver from wanting to go for it - such as: tall buildings in the
area, winds, trees, power lines, traffic. An experienced jumper could
more than likely pull it off. A first timer, probably not. A tandem,
maybe but I doubt few would be interested in trying for a variety of
reasons but you never know.
>It'd be private property but not mine.
>Getting permission is sort of out of the question, because then it wouldn't be
>a surprise...
Yeah, see your point.
>
>On the other hand, I can try to have the party at a nearby park. And to answer
>you all, I live in New Jersey, USA.
>
Same considerations expressed above as well as FAA clearances,
airplane owner cooperation, tandem jumpmaster cooperation, ect
expressed by others. If the Bday is soon, no - I would doubt it
unless you're under a tandem and while not out of the question, not
imo likely. If you were a somewhat experienced skydiver with say, 500
jumps (minimum # of jumps required for highest license) - not
impossible to get in a year (10 jumps a weekend, every weekend -
basically, you would have no life but there are worse ways to spend a
year, I suppose) but it would be expensive and, of course, very time
consuming....nevermind pissing off your girlfriend - it happens, trust
me.
Recommendations: look in the phone book under skydiving and see
what's around in the immediate area close by, call a dropzone and make
an appointment to go down there so you can talk to people face to
face. You will want to talk to people concerning an airplane,
concerning making a tandem into a non dropzone landing zone, and you
will certainly want to be able to clearly describe (if not show) to
the people who might be able to help you out the proposed landing
area.
BTW - I'm not a tandem guy so I don't really know for sure but I
remember somewhere something about tandem parachute system
manufacturers prohibiting this type of activity with their gear which
also may put a halt to the idea but, as mentioned by others, there are
people who own their own tandem gear and don't care what the
manufacturer says.
The people potentially involved will either give you a flat, "No way,"
or tell you what it will take to make it happen.
Good luck!
...bsrp
...jlk
LORD OF THE SKY
"JimBo" <sb...@aol.comnooospam> wrote in message
news:20031201193504...@mb-m10.aol.com...
>
> >the apparent reason you lost "respect" for me is that I criticized you
> >for allying yourself with people that have and deserve none
>
> You lieing motherfucker. You accused me of being a doper.....knowing full
well
> that I am not now...nor ever have been.
> So fuck off yapdog
Don't underestimate David, Jimbro.
Not only is he a liar ,but a forger and a misogynist as well!
And now I'll be accused of gay bashing.
"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
LORD OF THE SKY
"chuck" <cgilb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031202001520...@mb-m24.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: Rules/Laws regarding location
> >Date: 12/1/03 11:22 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <bqh41...@enews2.newsguy.com>
>
> >on't underestimate David, Jimbro.
> > Not only is he a liar ,but a forger and a misogynist as well!
> > And now I'll be accused of gay bashing.
> >
> > "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
>
I didn't say I'd be unjustly accused, and I was talking about David the
Homo/misogynist.
Funny thing.. the other day at work we were laughing about queers.
Someone accused me of being homophobic!!! ME .., Homophobic!!!??????
I informed the group that I certainly wasn't homophobic by any stretch
of the imagination and that I was just scared shitless of queers!
Vedfolnir
>well that I am not now...nor ever have >been. So fuck off yapdog
> Don't underestimate David, Jimbro.
> Not only is he a liar ,but a forger and a misogynist as well!
> And now I'll be accused of gay bashing.
>
> "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
>
>
how can a gay guy be acused of gay bashing? Ain't that considered a chick fight
;-?
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>are afraid of the big thicket ain't ya? ;-*
>
oh yeah Chuck, like yer Miss Manners ;-*
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>offer advice
>>>
>>>Who's WE , asshole ....you got a turd in your pocket ?
>>>
>>>Jim D-10154
>>>
>>
>>yuh yer ego
>
>Whoa! First he calls JB a skygod and now he suggests he has ego
>problems. The pig ain't just calling someone else swine, the pig's
>saying he don't like swine, either.
>
ain't much use to the sport or Novices, they just inflate the pork belly
futures and Jimbo has matured into a major Porker ;->
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
This is either known as either projection or
guilty concience...why doesn't he adress the Porker question?
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>who I am, let alone what sort of >substances I use.
>
try switching to Metrical, hemp gives ya the munchies and ya don't need no mo
laed on that big ass Porkie o~;)P
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
f at skydiver
a ngry 50 year old male
g ot attitude
g ot the big ass
o ver the hill
t otal idiot
faggot? does this mean he's gay too?
Give the boy a number o~;->
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>Proud to be seen as a god damned idiot in the eyes of a totally clueless
>>>fuck like you.
>>
>>Good. My job here is to spread joy and happiness. :-)
>>
>
>Good...seeing how youve singlehandedly chased all the women off.
>
>Jim D-10154
>
I don't think their into old idots or Porkers Jim, try the Richard Simmons
class again
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>Jim
>do you also denie being porky?
>The only thing I don't get is why anyone >gets so upset about dope
Jim's got a weight problem and excess weight in free fall ia a major problem,
the dope ain't helping.
>Hell, my guess is that more than 50% (>maybe 90%?) of
>skydivers in general and posters here >smoke dope
not the older ones he shudda switched to fine wiskey by now, shows a lack of
maturity and this faggot problem he's got going on with David? Geeze a
overweight
Las Vegas drag queen in the land of Tandem Mill's, think of the cost...No
wonder Jimbo's got a case of cranky pants
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>Jim D-10154
>do you also denie being porky?
>>>
>Heh - the pig's suggesting someone else >is porky. Gotta love it!
Thats another thing I don't miss about the sport, watching my weight...Lard is
important to Mr. fuk off yap dog in Nevada just as the art of dubbing should be
important to young video geeks who wanna back up their bullshit PLFing off a
catwalk stories...I'm just trying to git the truth outta
yew dz bums o~;)P
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>Hi,
>>> >
>I have never had any experience with >skydiving. So, this may be a stupid
>question:
take up video ya don't have to git in formation ;->
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>Anyway, Prick; Where can I get one of >those E licenses??
>
>Tom
>same crackerjack box where yew got yer >D boy
>
>How
>long you been skydiving, Prick?
>Was qualified for a D in 1981. I didn't get >it or any other license until
>about '90. Licenses
Wow that sounds like Jerry/dinks PLF
story....but gee he don't have Video.
and you were qualifed but didn't have the D?....thats kinda like having a
skydiving
story and no video ain't it? You youngsters
really need to work on your woppers ;)P
the old Philosopher
SkydiverRick
I was just scared shitless of
> queers!
>
Don't you mean reamed shitless?
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: Rules/Laws regarding location
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>
>>>Proud to be seen as a god damned idiot in the eyes of a totally clueless
>>>fuck like you.
>>
>>Good. My job here is to spread joy and happiness. :-)
>>
>
>Good...seeing how youve singlehandedly chased all the women off.
Jim, you really ought to consider some time off of the bong. Noelle
is fat, but she's still only one woman. And the only reason she left
is that she has less tolerance for reality than some other people.
David
SkydiverRick
Doesn't change the fact that I have about 5 or 6 times as much time in the
sport as you do. Also about 5or 6 times the jumps. I've never munched tarmac
either. Stop by the dropzone and I'll let you look at my logbooks. You can
get the directions from someone, since you probably couldn't it find
otherwise. Wear something besides your pink tights though, we don't want to
scare the students.
David Ferree
Actually, I've never seen you do any gay bashing.
Speaking of irony, you calling me a liar reminds me of Al Franken's
book, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them." Ironic because the
title actually describes the book itself while purporting to describe
the subjects of it's own lies.
But the thing is, the truth does in fact hold intrinsic value.
Apparently we've decided to be the poster boy examples of how
polarized the two positions can be, where I continue to hold up those
values and you continue to have none.
David (the eloquent yap dog)
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: Rules/Laws regarding respect
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>>Date: 12/1/03 10:22 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <tr0osvc0bpdofuf1l...@4ax.com>
>
>>The only thing I don't get is why anyone gets so upset about what they
>>do. I mean, it's their choice, and no law is going to come down on
>>them in this day and age unless they're really acting out,
>
>David, I guess that's why we turn a blind eye to you stalking the women on the
>NG.
Translation:
"David, I guess that's why we make up stories about women who stalk
you and say you're stalking them instead, because we don't like poeple
who make fun of the sacred brotherhood of skydiving dope smokers."
Vedfolnir
>"SkydiverPrick"
> Was qualified for a D in 1981. didn't get >it or any other license until
about '90.
>Wow that sounds like Jerry/dinks PLF
>> story....but gee he don't have Video.
>> and you were qualifed but didn't have >>the D?....thats kinda like having a
>>skydiving story and no video ain't it? >>You youngsters really need to work
on >>your woppers ;)P
>Doesn't change the fact that I have about >5 or 6 times as much time in the
>sport as you do. Also about 5or 6 times >the jumps
and your unable to translate all this experience and pass it on tsk tsk tsk
WHY?
I still think its a wopper you no account
lieing m'fer...If ya kin't mark an X in the
right box or are to illiterate to fill out the aplication you kin't git a D...I
believe that to be yer true story kid o~;-*
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
get it till >the 90's?
yes he is, the no account M'fer mussta been illiterate <smerk>
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
Didn't go out to the DZ much for a 10 year peroid I see Bwooooohahahaha WHAT A
STORY
you lie
you lie
you lie
you lie
either git yer story together or run for the BOD peckerwood wok on presentation
telling woppers training by retired skydiver, 2 dolla for pamplet o~;->
the old Philosopher
Jerry K.
>> Sherif Fahmy
>
>>Hi,
>>>> >
>>I have never had any experience with >skydiving. So, this may be a stupid
>>question:
>
>take up video ya don't have to git in formation
Hell, I've flown video and docked on numerous formations. Take up
bowling and you won't have to dine on tarmac.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Sows that hide in the woods and just squeal in annoyance (or fright)
ain't much use to anyone - they just keep people awake and smell up
the place.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>You lieing motherfucker. You accused >me of being a doper.
>>fuck off yapdogs
>>Jim D-10154
>
>>do you also denie being porky?
>>>>
>>Heh - the pig's suggesting someone else >is porky. Gotta love it!
>
>Thats another thing I don't miss about the sport, watching my weight...Lard is
>important to Mr. fuk off yap dog in Nevada just as the art of dubbing should be
>important to young video geeks
The art of dubbing? Oh yeah - an art in cueing a tape, cueing another
tape (or manipulating some software), pressing some buttons, and
pressing some other buttons. It's not art or even rocket science -
it's brain surgery.
>who wanna back up their bullshit PLFing off a
>catwalk stories...
Hell, you were the one all so high and mighty about plfing off of
folding chairs - no big deal - nothing special - you do what needs to
be done to practice a plf and practice is better if you can closely
recreate the environment which you are planning to be in.
>I'm just trying to git the truth outta
>yew dz bums
What, the noble ones who have been run off the dz or the politically
incorrect ones who make a practice of killing the sport?
...bsrp
...jlk
Mr. MOM
>is that she has less tolerance for reality than some other people.
>
>David
David....I think that sums up pretty well, why many people have left this NG.
Far too many Skydivers (and people in general) are incredibly thin skinned when
it comes to realities.
Why stay on this skydiving NG, when there's another one you can go to and be
protected from and/or control others from realities? You know....kinda like an
AAD to protect you from being offended.
USPA SUCKS
...and if you have to ask why...then you are a fool.
Mr. MOM
The only guarantee in Skydiving is ... you WILL land !
Jerry K.
Not that you'd ever put yourself into the position of being able toa
actually see the video. Fuck no - can't upset the applecart with
reality. It won't do.
BTW - Rick's the real deal.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Heh - typical bureaucrat - sees paperwork as more relevant than actual
experience.
...bsrp
...jlk
SkydiverRick
Stop by the dz on most any weekend. I'll be glad to let you look through my
logbooks anytime. Bring your logbook (I'm sure you only have one) for me to
look at. I've done more jumps by accident than you've done on purpose. Never
munched on tarmac either.
SkydiverRick
...If ya kin't mark an X in the
> right box or are to illiterate to fill out the aplication you kin't
Being called illiterate by a tarmac munching redneck that lies about being
from Texas. Aren't I supposed to get some of these irony points or
something?
SkydiverRick
> and your unable to translate all this experience and pass it on tsk
> tsk tsk WHY?
> the old Philosopher
I have both an AFF and static line instructors rating. I teach about 3 or 4
FJC's per month. Most people would agree that I translate experience quite
regularly. What have you translated, beside your DNA to the tarmac?
JDub
> I've done more jumps by accident than
> you've done on purpose. Never munched on tarmac either.
How exactly, does one do a jump by accident?
Are you sure you should be bragging about it?
--
Josh
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: Rules/Laws regarding respect
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>>Date: 12/2/03 9:26 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <m08psvk304qltq9e1...@4ax.com>
>
>>>David, I guess that's why we turn a blind eye to you stalking the women on
>>the
>>>NG.
>
>>Davids Translation:
>
>>"David, I guess that's why we make up stories about women who stalk
>>you and say you're stalking them instead, because we don't like poeple
>>who make fun of the sacred brotherhood of skydiving dope smokers."
>
>Is this the David that hasn't smoked dope since 1987..........who hasn't had a
>weener stuck up his poop shoot since he returned from Venezuela? Keep working
>on your stalking techniques, you might find sexual fulfillment some day.
So, Chuck, which idiot female stalker did I offend that you're wanting
to get some from? LOL
David
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: Rules/Laws regarding respect
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>>Date: 12/2/03 6:14 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <2v6qsvk90ia2egqbg...@4ax.com>
>
>>So, Chuck, which idiot female stalker did I offend that you're wanting
>>to get some from? LOL
>>
>>David
>
>David, I figure that everyone posting here is a big girl or boy, and they can
>defend themselves. If they can't, they wind up at DZ.Com. Where you used to
>have a little focus in the past, it's looking more like a shotgun pattern now.
>How many people do you want to hit at the same time?
Chuck, when you start using the tactic of disregarding the truth, it
can be difficult to keep your stories straight. Witness Fleatop,
Noelle, and now apparently you. What's up with that? I haven't
changed my MO at all, but have merely taken the natural course
dictated by speaking the truth in response to others spewing lies and
bullshit. Should you choose to return to it you might find that tack
to be a bit more lonely, but in the end much more valuable. If the
only way to hang on to friends is to be a full of shit ass hole, I can
do without those friends.
David
bigjim
What's come over you, David? All the warm and fuzzy is totally out of
character.
JimBo
>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
> If the
>only way to hang on to friends is to be a full of shit ass hole, I can
>do without those friends.
>
>David
But...youre a full of shit asshole anyway. Gee you just cant catch a break.
Jim D-10154
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.