focus on AAD
ynotssor
realize that we have far, far too many skydivers who place a reliance on
such devices instead of deploying their own emergency canopies in a timely
fashion.
scrubby
Skydiving is not very forgiving. With modern AAD's it has allowed
people that have made the biggest mistake (not opening) to live and
continue on. AAD's have slowed the thinning of the herd. Technology
is screwing with the process of natural selection. Darwin used to be
right but now with the help of science we can prove him wrong. Let us
hope that not too many of these nitwits have already bred and are
further sullying the gene pool.
david
fly...@gmail.com
was starting out. if you don't wan't to install an aad, fine.
"instead of deploying their own emergency canopies in a timely
fashion. "
=\
... and then everyone will be saying "why didn't he have an aad?"
the unknown flailer
Stay off the mega ways then asshole ;)P
Mike Spurgeon
> you guys are awful. look how many no-pulls there were when the sport
> was starting out. if you don't wan't to install an aad, fine.
Thank you for your permission...
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Oh yeah - like no one can ever get knocked out unless there's lots of
other jumpers in the air.
You got a number of jumpers in mind to where an AAD might be usefull?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
I'm thinking of Sandy W. so say a 300 way, you know anything that has
to build or break off in sections. But actually the kid is hysterical
over nothing----All a AAD Guarantee's is the possibility of a open
casket service. Their ain't no half way at tracking speeds, if he just
expects to be knocked out he probably still believes in the tooth
fairy...fucking young idiots. 0~;-*
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 28 May 2005 17:51:00 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >fly...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> you guys are awful. look how many no-pulls there were when the sport
> >> was starting out. if you don't wan't to install an aad, fine.
> >> "instead of deploying their own emergency canopies in a timely
> >> fashion. "
> >> i hope you never get knocked unconsious in freefall. you'll be fucked
> >> =\
> >> ... and then everyone will be saying "why didn't he have an aad?"
> >
> >Stay off the mega ways then asshole ;)P
>
> Oh yeah - like no one can ever get knocked out unless there's lots of
> other jumpers in the air.
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Oh yeah I expected this from Mr. blocking the isle at 13/5, "my pin, my
pin....somebody check my pin. I think its falling out boo hoo boo hoo!"
Young Peckerwoods ;)P
the unknown flailer
there fore am going to try to approach this with reason;
My question is how do you plan to Be knocked out? Gonna slam yer head
against the fuselage while on float, plan on taking your helmet off in
mid dive? Its pretty clear your a post 90's skydiver cuz you live in
fear and your apparently not practicing the the BSP till it becomes
motor memory---...Living in fear and not trusting your gear will
inhibit body flying ability, think of all the shit that can go wrong on
a dive, plan your outs accordingly.....Then forget it and try to
relax---- think positive, visualize a perfect dive, clean grips and no
funnels on the climb to altitude and you will fly cleaner. You know if
you practice the BSP enough it will become motor memory and when your
graying out the body will follow procedure even though the mind is
fading away.... LISTEN UP Mr. 2000 skydiver, if you can't stand a minor
collision, slight discomfort and or scratches and bruise that come
about in the bigger ways,
perhaps you should sell yer gear and take up kniting 0~;)P
BSP = Basic safety proceedure/////////taught to all USPA/SL students
right up to the early 1990's AFF JACKASS
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 28 May 2005 17:51:00 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >fly...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> you guys are awful. look how many no-pulls there were when the sport
>> >> was starting out. if you don't wan't to install an aad, fine.
>> >> "instead of deploying their own emergency canopies in a timely
>> >> fashion. "
>> >> i hope you never get knocked unconsious in freefall. you'll be fucked
>> >> =\
>> >> ... and then everyone will be saying "why didn't he have an aad?"
>> >
>> >Stay off the mega ways then asshole ;)P
>>
>> Oh yeah - like no one can ever get knocked out unless there's lots of
>> other jumpers in the air.
>>
>> You got a number of jumpers in mind to where an AAD might be usefull?
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>I'm thinking of Sandy W. so say a 300 way, you know anything that has
>to build or break off in sections.
Like maybe the 40way I was on last week? What's the biggest formation
you ever attempted?
>But actually the kid is hysterical
>over nothing----All a AAD Guarantee's is the possibility of a open
>casket service.
And it doesn't even guarrantee that. You got your shorts stuck up
your ass because of some imagined underlying motive which people
supposedly have for jumping with an AAD.
>Their ain't no half way at tracking speeds, if he just
>expects to be knocked out he probably still believes in the tooth
>fairy...fucking young idiots.
Yo, dumbass - I know people who've been knocked out or fell
unconscious with and without an AAD and there's more than one way to
pass out in freefall - it doesn't soley happen due to some sort of
tracking collision - nor is an AAD designed to specifically get
something out only over people who have maybe suffered some sort of
tracking collision. You wanna think Wambach, if anyone chooses her
for an example to get an AAD - no business of yours - just as if
someone wants to get one because their dumbass friend just went low
and had his ass saved by the robot - no business of yours. You seem
to believe that possessing an AAD is an admission of total dependence
on the robot and/or a frank admission of some politically incorrect
"fear." You jumped with one yourself so that ain't flying. With that
kind of reasoning then I guess you better get it right and start
harping on people for jumping steerable ramairs because they're too
dependent on their steerable, soft-landing wing-like canopies and
they're just too damn scared to suck it up and plf the round. The aad
is a tool, pure and simple - just as you're a tool - in the adjective,
not practical sense, that is.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Right - and I expected this from Mister Prancing Around the Loading
Area at 0 AGL, ""my pin, my pin....somebody check my pin. I think its
falling out here on the ground before I board the airplane!
Shriek!!!"
So, how 'bout it? -Like no one can ever get knocked out unless
there's lots of other jumpers in the air, eh? AAD's are just for the
"mega-ways?" Word-up - they're for anyone who cares to put them in
their rig but as a concept - clearly just more rhetorical bullshit for
you to bark and blather.
I'd throw the old-age card coupled with something appropriate like,
"dumbass," at ya except you ain't representitive in the slightest of
older jumpers I've ever known - they, for one, ain't dumbasses.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> "mega-ways?" one, ain't dumbasses.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
No....I'm thinking they should be used for students, certain JM's and
competition teams....Anybody else that wants one should buy one BUT
#1 if you feel need one to jump, maybe you shouldn't be jumping.
AND
#2. If you require someone else to wear one, you should provide one.
ynotssor
news:1117321368.0...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Don't worry, you can probably find some remedial reading classes even at
your age ...
the unknown flailer
USPA members as a rule of thumb are not awful at what they do, their
just assholes. 0~;) HAW HAW HAW
lil ladybug
at
your age ... "
ooooooh i'm sorry, i didn't realize this was a spelling bee. have a
nice week =)
bigjim
tooth
fairy.>
What do teeth have to do with it? You probably don't have any anyway. Look
at it this way, if he didn't believe in fairies he certainly couldn't
believe in you.
When did you go anti AAD? Previous posts by you asserted that you had one.
Need it for all those big ways you routinely got invited on?
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
That's a good point - didn't you need one to jump the last time
around?
> AND
>#2. If you require someone else to wear one, you should provide one.
Right - and someone played the old "too many jumpers with aad's," card
while someone played the standard, "add's might come in handy," card -
nothing in there about anyone, anyhere requiring them but as ever,
there's a brilliant solution towards outlets which might require 'em -
don't jump there if you don't want to. You know, vote with your feet?
Talk is cheap - I want to see this, "if you require 'em, provide 'em"
platitude put into action. Make it happen. Pull some "grass roots
shit, or something, why doncha?"
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Just for show, it was 9 or 10 years old...a picture under the flap may
have worked just as well----Note this-----The Cypress didn't save my
leg, most people are killed in landing incidents nowdays===I just
happen to be a tough old buzzard
~Tough on you, tough on me and tough on everybody else~
AND
> >#2. If you require someone else to wear one, you should provide one.
>
> Right - and someone played the old "too many jumpers with aad's," card
> while someone played the standard, "add's might come in handy," card -
> nothing in there about anyone, anyhere requiring them but as ever,
> there's a brilliant solution towards outlets which might require 'em -
> don't jump there if you don't want to. You know, vote with your feet?
> Talk is cheap - I want to see this, "if you require 'em, provide 'em"
> platitude put into action. Make it happen. Pull some "grass roots
> shit, or something, why doncha?"
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
I ain't dishonest enough to be a elected Official, besides I'm no
longer a USPA member.......just a fair minded old man----IT AIN'T MY
JOB IS TO TAKE CARE OF YOU HELPLESS YOUNG USPA2000 BITCHS. I just have
some out of date opinions thats usefull to annoy young urban know it
alls with. 0~;-*
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Yeah, well - you needed one, nonetheless. I mean - if you didn't need
it, for show or otherwise, how come it was there. Outcome
notwithstanding, guess you could say, by your veryown words - maybe
you shouldn't have been jumping.
>The Cypress didn't save my
>leg, most people are killed in landing incidents nowdays===I just
>happen to be a tough old buzzard
Won't argue the toughness - 'cept for maybe not tough enough to take
your act to dz's - but it's a certaintly, you'd have to be tough or
just dumb lucky to survive being you.
> ~Tough on you, tough on me and tough on everybody else~
You ain't tough on me - shit dude - you've just been throwing love
taps.
>
>
> AND
>> >#2. If you require someone else to wear one, you should provide one.
>>
>> Right - and someone played the old "too many jumpers with aad's," card
>> while someone played the standard, "add's might come in handy," card -
>> nothing in there about anyone, anyhere requiring them but as ever,
>> there's a brilliant solution towards outlets which might require 'em -
>> don't jump there if you don't want to. You know, vote with your feet?
>> Talk is cheap - I want to see this, "if you require 'em, provide 'em"
>> platitude put into action. Make it happen. Pull some "grass roots
>> shit, or something, why doncha?"
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>I ain't dishonest enough to be a elected Official,
As if being an elected official is the key. Got any better excuses?
>besides I'm no
>longer a USPA member.......just a fair minded old man----
Close-minded, more like.
>IT AIN'T MY
>JOB IS TO TAKE CARE OF YOU HELPLESS YOUNG USPA2000 BITCHS.
Clearly - it's an individual responsility thing - you just bitch about
it and throw the blame as far as you can which is usually ends up
being just short of the end of your shoes.
>I just have
>some out of date opinions thats usefull to annoy young urban know it
>alls with.
Out of date is one thing, never in date is something entirely
different. As for annoying - that's just another fanciful pretense.
Ever wonder if there might be some, maybe, current skydivers who use
inconvienet reality to possibly annoy pretensive knowitalls?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Shoulda jumped my beloved Falcon I'm thinking
>
> >The Cypress didn't save my
> >leg, most people are killed in landing incidents nowdays===I just
> >happen to be a tough old buzzard
>
> Won't argue the toughness - 'cept for maybe not tough enough to take
> your act to dz's - but it's a certaintly, you'd have to be tough or
> just dumb lucky to survive being you.
No shit just like a Timex "take a licking and keep on ticking." and its
been been going on for over 60 some odd years! ;)
>
> >
> >I ain't dishonest enough to be a elected Official,
>
> As if being an elected official is the key. Got any better excuses?
>
> >besides I'm no
> >longer a USPA member.......just a fair minded old man----
>
> Close-minded, more like.
Renaissance man is my story and I'm sticking with it kid.
ynotssor
news:1117475593.1...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
>> "Don't worry, you can probably find some remedial reading classes even
>> at your age"
>
> i'm sorry, i didn't realize this was a spelling bee. have a nice week
Someone installs an AAD, calibrates it near MSL, lifts from a field about
1500' higher, has problems of some kind deploying her main, then apparently
depends on the AAD to deploy the reserve at about 750' in the ground instead
of deploying the reserve herself in a timely manner. By no account
whatsoever was she "unconscious."
You reduce the problem of people relying on their AADs to deploy their
reserves for them as "a spelling bee", or as a pro/con AAD issue.
Brilliant.
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Yeah - maybe you shoulda - whose fault is that?
>>
>> >The Cypress didn't save my
>> >leg, most people are killed in landing incidents nowdays===I just
>> >happen to be a tough old buzzard
>>
>> Won't argue the toughness - 'cept for maybe not tough enough to take
>> your act to dz's - but it's a certaintly, you'd have to be tough or
>> just dumb lucky to survive being you.
>
>No shit just like a Timex "take a licking and keep on ticking." and its
>been been going on for over 60 some odd years! ;)
>>
>> >
>> >I ain't dishonest enough to be a elected Official,
>>
>> As if being an elected official is the key. Got any better excuses?
>>
>> >besides I'm no
>> >longer a USPA member.......just a fair minded old man----
>>
>> Close-minded, more like.
>
> Renaissance man is my story and I'm sticking with it kid.
Sorry dude - you were claiming just a little while ago to have "old
fashioned" views - which is not particularly indicative of being
considered "Renaissance." Now, you could play the old
fashioned/Renaissance pretense, as in 400-500 years ago, but then you
run the risk of being ridiculed for fopping about in lace and tights -
nevermind representing a decided metaphorical pox, scrofula, and
plague. Sure, call yourself "Renaissance Man" if that floats your
boat, but try to keep in mind the ridiculouis inconsistancy inherant
with the idea, nevermind the record of your "Renaissance activities,"
when you feel driven to play the "old-fashioned" card. Besides - near
as I can tell - a true "Renaissance Man" is usually the last to crow
such a tittle for themself.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Remember Buzz Fink the front man for the Cypres Natzi lobby from a few
years ago?
DZO' like him are still at work behind the USPA scenes....Will come a
day when you cain't vote with your feet kid----they will have all the
US DZ's sewn up
> Talk is cheap - I want to see this, "if you require 'em, provide 'em"
> platitude put into action. Make it happen. Pull some "grass roots
> shit, or something, why doncha?"
Grass roots? You going to pay my expenses to lobby? The problem is not
in having one but in being forced to wear one when you don't need
it----A added expense
in a already expensive sport. More leadership on the Safety and
training end
would prevent bounces than AAD's do-----But ohhhh noooo, that would cuz
the profit margine. Just put a patch on the root of the problem rather
than working to solve it with training...Like, force them to buy
another piece of expensive gear. Guess what, that brings in money you
GM/DZO lacky and AFF JACKASS ;-P
>
> ...bsrp
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 30 May 2005 17:30:43 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 30 May 2005 02:15:17 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> On 29 May 2005 03:11:32 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >No....I'm thinking they should be used for students, certain JM's and
> >> >competition teams....Anybody else that wants one should buy one BUT
> >> >
> >> >#1 if you feel need one to jump, maybe you shouldn't be jumping.
> >>
> >> That's a good point - didn't you need one to jump the last time
> >> around?
> >
> >Just for show, it was 9 or 10 years old...a picture under the flap may
> >have worked just as well----Note this-----
>
> Yeah, well - you needed one, nonetheless.
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
No its clear I didn't, the exit, FF and opning were normal...The
problem wasn not being able to reach or maintain my left toggle a AAD
won't do much for that.
I only had it on because USPA Skydivers no matter how many or few jumps
all think their experts on any particular situation and apt to factor
in their own personal fears....It came down to I would wear a Cypres or
not be allowed to jump, it was a consensus----the first time skygods
had ever been able to build one against me ;)P
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 30 May 2005 17:30:43 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 30 May 2005 02:15:17 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> >> On 29 May 2005 03:11:32 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> >No....I'm thinking they should be used for students, certain JM's and
>> >> >competition teams....Anybody else that wants one should buy one BUT
>> >> >
>> >> >#1 if you feel need one to jump, maybe you shouldn't be jumping.
>> >>
>> >> That's a good point - didn't you need one to jump the last time
>> >> around?
>> >
>> >Just for show, it was 9 or 10 years old...a picture under the flap may
>> >have worked just as well----Note this-----
>>
>> Yeah, well - you needed one, nonetheless.
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>No its clear I didn't,
Arm-chair quarterbacking. You needed one enough to have it on the
skydive.
> the exit, FF and opning were normal...The
>problem wasn not being able to reach or maintain my left toggle a AAD
>won't do much for that.
But you did have one and by your very own assessemnt, shouldn't have
been skydiving.
>I only had it on because USPA Skydivers no matter how many or few jumps
>all think their experts on any particular situation and apt to factor
>in their own personal fears....It came down to I would wear a Cypres or
>not be allowed to jump,
Right - and it was your decision - factored in with your own personal
fear of not being able to jump.
> it was a consensus----the first time skygods
>had ever been able to build one against me
Well, I dunno about that - you been shut down for stocking bigways
with mostly lowtimers...been shut down for lurking formations without
permission...been shut down on being asked along on skydives - but
getting shut down by some consensus is a sideshow - it was your
decision. You jumped with an AAD. You needed one to jump. And the
outome coupled with your need falls in line with your assessment -
maybe you shouldn't have been jumping.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
No. There is no cypres lobby - just a good advertising campaign
coupled with a potentially useful product
>DZO' like him are still at work behind the USPA scenes....
So you'd like to imagine but the truth of the matter is - this is just
a supposition on your part since you don't know - the idea fits the
rhetoric so you've concluded it as gospel. You don't go to dz's and
you have no contact with what is or is not actually occurring behind
any scenes.
>Will come a
>day when you cain't vote with your feet kid----they will have all the
>US DZ's sewn up
Paranoia and nice projecting of fear you got going on.
>
>
>> Talk is cheap - I want to see this, "if you require 'em, provide 'em"
>> platitude put into action. Make it happen. Pull some "grass roots
>> shit, or something, why doncha?"
>
>Grass roots? You going to pay my expenses to lobby?
Naw, I figure if it means that much to you - you'll find a way to make
it happen. Find some like-minded volunteers or something - that's how
"grass-roots" is supposed to work, eh?
>The problem is not
>in having one but in being forced to wear one when you don't need
>it----A added expense
>in a already expensive sport.
Yeah, right - and you yourself have already suggested that special
circumstances sometimes dictate their presence but for the greater
part - they are not required and in the rare places where they might
be, there are alternatives. As for expenses - kind of a merchant
metality you got going on here. Expenses are beside the point - if
anyone wants something bad enough - they're free to find a way to
bring it about.
>More leadership on the Safety and
>training end
>would prevent bounces than AAD's do
Heh - how many no-pull bounces happened in say, the last several
years? How many aad saves? How many skydives? I mean, just this
past weekend I made 15 jumps and, guessing, there were probably
1200-1500 successful skydives at the dz over the period where not only
did nobody bounce, nobody had their ass saved by an aad and not only
that - not everyone had an aad. Seems to me, by that small model
alone, that safety and training may have had an influence in bounce
prevention. I'm thinking more safety and training directed at you
when you were coming up might have, at minimum, kept you from being
shut down all the time for doing stupid, ill-thought out shit and it
might have even enabled you to continue on in the sport.
>-----But ohhhh noooo, that would cuz
>the profit margine. Just put a patch on the root of the problem rather
>than working to solve it with training...
Let's, for the sake of the argument, assume that the level of safety
and training today is no where near as efficient, encompassing, or
complete as it was, say - back when aad's were being first developed
for sport skydiving - nevermind the greater occurance of people
bouncing back then - care to explain why, back then, there was this
apparent push for profit and an apparent "patch" of the problem,
rather than working to solve it with training? Don't knock yourlelf
out - I mean, it's clear that you could never be a spokesman for sport
skydiving in its earlier days since your experience in the sport was
short and pretty recent but since you like to portray yourself as
being an "old-time" skydiver - feel free to take a stab at it, if it
serves the pretense.
>Like, force them to buy
>another piece of expensive gear. Guess what, that brings in money you
>GM/DZO lacky and AFF JACKASS
No one is forcing anyone to buy anything. There might be a few, rare,
dz's that require it but it's the jumper's decision, of course, and
there are alternatives. I'm starting to think that the whole 120 day
repack thing is just an expensive money generating scheme in an
already expensive sport. Dance monkey!
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> >> >fly...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> you guys are awful.
He must be talking about you Jerry....I'm a old sweety pie myself
> >> > AND
> >> >#2. If you require someone else to wear one, you should provide one.
> >>
> >> Right - and someone played the old "too many jumpers with aad's," card
> >> while someone played the standard, "add's might come in handy," card -
> >> nothing in there about anyone, anyhere requiring them but as ever,
> >> there's a brilliant solution towards outlets which might require 'em -
> >> don't jump there if you don't want to. You know, vote with your feet?
> >
> >Remember Buzz Fink the front man for the Cypres Natzi lobby from a few
> >years ago?
>
> No. There is no cypres lobby - just a good advertising campaign
> coupled with a potentially useful product
>
> >DZO' like him are still at work behind the USPA scenes....
>
> So you'd like to imagine but the truth of the matter is - this is just
> a supposition on your part since you don't know - the idea fits the
> rhetoric so you've concluded it as gospel. You don't go to dz's and
> you have no contact with what is or is not actually occurring behind
> any scenes.
>
> >Will come a
> >day when you cain't vote with your feet kid----they will have all the
> >US DZ's sewn up
>
> Paranoia and nice projecting of fear you got going on.
You mean Treetops conspirecy theorys are finally effecting my head? I
think not
Understanding what makes skydivers tick....its a given they have to
have their way and will stop at nothing to get it---The GM's have all
went over to the dark side
on this freedom of choice issue.....oooooooooOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo
<grin>
the unknown flailer
I had a FXC on student status because it was student and rental
gear---all the other jumps after buying my first rig were with RSL
only, except the last one. The word was, come back with a Cypress and
I'd be allowed to jump. So I picked up a 9 or 10 year old model.and had
a rigger put it in. BTW did the Gayboy bars in Sothbeach close or did
somebody just wake you up and throw you out Biggyjim? Whoaaaaaa HAW HAW
HAW
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>
>bigjim wrote:
>> <... if he just expects to be knocked out he probably still believes in the
>> tooth
>> fairy.>
>>
>> What do teeth have to do with it? You probably don't have any anyway. Look
>> at it this way, if he didn't believe in fairies he certainly couldn't
>> believe in you.
>>
>> When did you go anti AAD? Previous posts by you asserted that you had one.
>> Need it for all those big ways you routinely got invited on?
>
>I had a FXC on student status because it was student and rental
>gear---all the other jumps after buying my first rig were with RSL
>only, except the last one. The word was, come back with a Cypress and
>I'd be allowed to jump. So I picked up a 9 or 10 year old model.and had
>a rigger put it in.
Which is, of course - just more bullshit as the Cypres didn't come out
until when...1991? You stepped in it again, dumbass.
>BTW did the Gayboy bars in Sothbeach close or did
>somebody just wake you up and throw you out Biggyjim? Whoaaaaaa HAW HAW
>HAW
Trust Jinnie to be inquisitive about which gaybars and where might be
open.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Naw - I think it's genetic, what you got going on, so to speak, up
there.
>I
>think not
>Understanding what makes skydivers tick....
>its a given they have to
>have their way and will stop at nothing to get it---
Is this like wanting to be on a bigway so bad, someone convincing a
munch of low esperienced jumpers that it's a good idea to go up
together towards that purpose?
>The GM's have all
>went over to the dark side
>on this freedom of choice issue.....oooooooooOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo
><grin>
Which is of course, just more rhetorical bullshit in that of the dz's
I've jumped at, and I would say a good deal many more in a variety of
places in and out of state, as well as out of the country - none of
them required an upjumper to be fitted with an aad and left the choice
to the jumper. Now - there are places, few that they may be, where
aad's are required - no problem - I have the choice to not jump there.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Its not rocket science----thats a known gay area, kinda like Houstons
Montrose
area ;)P
bigjim
<Gayboy bars in Sothbeach...>
I ask you about the big ways you got(didn't get) invited on and your
response consists of blathering about gay bars.
If you want to talk about gay, let's talk about gay. Why do you continue to
perpetuate this ongoing fantasy that you have that I am gay? Even more to
the point, why do you fantasize about my sexual orientation at all ?
Wishful thinking?
Typical exchange:
Me: Hey Snuffy, I think you are a fucking idiot and a liar.
You: Never mind, because you are a faggot.
the unknown flailer
~So kid, you're finally fessing up or what?~
0~;->
bigjim
Dream on. Let's put it like this; you won't be getting any "instruction"
on my bunk anytime soon.
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Trust Jinnie to keep tabs on the known "gay areas." I seen this movie
once - about these guys going down the river and one of 'em gets raped
by some backwoods queers. I thought it was a documentary but Jinnie
swears it's a love story.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Heheheh -you can take the poofter out of the Navy but you can't take
the Navy out of the poofter.
...bsrp
...jlk
bigjim
> Montrose
> area
So Mr. Demographics expert, what percentage of the population has to be
known to gay for an area to be a known gay area? 15% ? 29%? 75%? 102%?
What is the percentage of gay people in Miami Beach?
What is the percentage of gay people at your trailer court?
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 29 May 2005 03:11:32 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >Oh yeah I expected this from Mr. blocking the isle at 13/5, "my pin, my
> >pin....somebody check my pin. I think its falling out boo hoo boo hoo!"
> >Young Peckerwoods
>
> Right - and I expected this from Mister Prancing Around the Loading
> Area at 0 AGL, ""my pin, my pin....somebody check my pin. I think its
> falling out here on the ground before I board the airplane!
> Shriek!!!"
>
Second opinion only, really a subtle teaching tool considering people
just off student status and aspiring Novices are mostly monkey see
monkey do types----they in all likelyhood will start getting theirs
checked before boarding then and one thing about it it didn't disrupt
the dive flow.
the unknown flailer
bigjim wrote:
> > Its not rocket science----thats a known gay area, kinda like Houstons
> > Montrose
> > area
>
> So Mr. Demographics expert, what percentage of the population has to be
> known to gay for an area to be a known gay area? 15% ? 29%? 75%? 102%?
Demographics expert? I think not...Just file away information in my
mind that may be usefull in profiling charater types later down the
line
> What is the percentage of gay people in Miami Beach?
Less than the super snobs and filthy rich who are again out numbered by
the elderly...I think just about everybody if Florida might be a Yankee
or Cuban by now.....Gays are good with money, they are astute investors
who are quite often drawn to the chick upscale older sections of
Southern citys that are being redeveloped...If you or Jerry ever move
to Miami I'll be sure to research it
> What is the percentage of gay people at your trailer court?
Zero cuz mostly-no ones here except me and a 74 year old Greek lady
untill deer season begins. I ain't to sure about the squirrell
population....see some strange shit going on in the tree's occasionally
;)P
the unknown flailer
bigjim wrote:
> > Need it for all those big ways you routinely got invited on?
>
> <Gayboy bars in Sothbeach...>
>
> I ask you about the big ways you got(didn't get) invited on and your
> response consists of blathering about gay bars.
>
> If you want to talk about gay, let's talk about gay. Why do you continue to
> perpetuate this ongoing fantasy that you have that I am gay? Even more to
> the point, why do you fantasize about my sexual orientation at all ?
> Wishful thinking?
Well it bothers the hell out of you and that means you are either just
another young insecure asshole or actually are a suppressed queer and
haven't come out of the closet yet. Full blow gays usually don't get
upset about it because they have delt with their gender mixup and
except what they are. The key is, what I think annoys the hell out of
you...I never understood why civilian slackers and momma's boys care
what I think. Work on that closet issue boy ;)P
>
> Typical exchange:
>
> Me: Hey Snuffy, I think you are a fucking idiot and a liar.
> You: Never mind, because you are a faggot.
Ever notice thats usually Davids first response also? It may have
something to do with the personality you project kid=====WORK ON THAT
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 31 May 2005 12:44:12 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >bigjim wrote:
> >> <... if he just expects to be knocked out he probably still believes in the
> >> tooth
> >> fairy.>
> >>
> >> What do teeth have to do with it? You probably don't have any anyway. Look
> >> at it this way, if he didn't believe in fairies he certainly couldn't
> >> believe in you.
> >>
> >> When did you go anti AAD? Previous posts by you asserted that you had one.
> >> Need it for all those big ways you routinely got invited on?
> >
> >I had a FXC on student status because it was student and rental
> >gear---all the other jumps after buying my first rig were with RSL
> >only, except the last one. The word was, come back with a Cypress and
> >I'd be allowed to jump. So I picked up a 9 or 10 year old model.and had
> >a rigger put it in.
>
>
> Which is, of course - just more bullshit as the Cypres didn't come out
> until when...1991? You stepped in it again, dumbass.
Either way it was at the end of its shelf life, had already had the
batterys replaced once 4 years earlier so it was one of the
originals...I needed a Cypres to satisfy DZ Lizzards who's buisness it
was none of but were raising a stink anyway as usual...Hey it wasn't
like I was risking their lives. I bet yer a typical DZ lizzard
Jerry---no place else to go, no visible means of support.
Just standing around sticking yer nose into buisness that don't concern
you or panhandling for money----Geeze independent USPA
Contractors....ie Coachs and Video Geeks worse than siding salesmen
<snear>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
the unknown flailer
bigjim wrote:
> > Need it for all those big ways you routinely got invited on?
>
> <Gayboy bars in Sothbeach...>
>
> I ask you about the big ways you got(didn't get) invited on and your
> response consists of blathering about gay bars.
.
More than you think, they liked a experianced front front float that
cud set a fast base, course most of them werte 20-ways....Every once in
a while say
once every year or so another twinT DZ would bring their Otter by and
we would get a 42 way weed wacker launched...If you aspired to that 36
way USPA award ya just about had to go to Quincy or another big boogie
and stay the duration
praticing with the other skydivers that wanted one....Wasn't much
around back then at most twin t's bigger than 20 ways. I saw a lotta
people I knew from Texas with more than Gold Wings----DZM's and such
types hanging around the big way tents at Quincy, if you asked them why
for--->they generally all said the same thing "Gold Falcon or Eagle"
cain't recall which was the 2 point 36 way
You USPA 2000 tweetys got it easy and ya don't even realize
it--------------
Air Conditioning
Plenty of big twins around
On sight Cafe's
Don't have to pack
Shit yawl don't even have to take grips anymore from the looks of most
of the freak formations ;)Pfffffft
the unknown flailer
bigjim wrote:
> > Need it for all those big ways you routinely got invited on?
>
> <Gayboy bars in Sothbeach...>
>
> I ask you about the big ways you got(didn't get) invited on and your
> response consists of blathering about gay bars.
Well when I talk to city boys, I like to be hip and talk about their
culture snarf
>
> Typical exchange:
>
> Me: Hey Snuffy, I think you are a fucking idiot and a liar.
> You: Never mind, because you are a faggot.
Yeah I am rather straight forward and plain spoken but at least you
know where you stand with me right up front,, wazzamatter it don't work
for you?
works for me! heh heh ha ha ha damnn I think I got a nut off on that
one 0~;)
bigjim
> Yeah I am rather straight forward and plain spoken but at least you
> know where you stand with me right up front,, wazzamatter it don't work
> for you?
> works for me! heh heh ha ha ha damnn I think I got a nut off on that
> one 0~;)
You may be forward, but you certainly ain't straight. You just stated that
you got a nut off engaging in one of you fantasies about me. Having a bad
week?
bigjim
> the elderly...I think just about everybody if Florida might be a Yankee
> or Cuban by now.....Gays are good with money, they are astute investors
> who are quite often drawn to the chick upscale older sections of
> Southern citys that are being redeveloped...If you or Jerry ever move
> to Miami I'll be sure to research it
And how would mine and Jerry's "profiles" change if we moved to Miami?
Would we automatically become elderly, filthy rich, Cuban super snobs?
the unknown flailer
Nope, their would just be two more USPA fancygirls down there heh
the unknown flailer
> >> >> What do teeth have to do with it? You probably don't have any anyway. Look
> >> >> at it this way, if he didn't believe in fairies he certainly couldn't
> >> >> believe in you.
> >> >>
> >> >> When did you go anti AAD? Previous posts by you asserted that you had one.
> >> >> Need it for all those big ways you routinely got invited on?
#1 Never was anti AAD...Just pro freedom of choice, tell you the truth
after getting up to take a leak at 1PM and hitting the floor...unable
to get up or make my hands and arms work----at my age if I was still
skydiving I'd be wearing a cypres. I often wondered about those POPS no
pulls with people having 6 or 7,000 jumps....It occurs to me now a
stroke or heart attack may have been the driving force. Damn wudda had
to buy a new one to, life is tough then you die Bwoooohahahaha
#2 Sure,they prefered a fast base plus you gotta factor in the payback
issues.
Some other high strung deguello type pissing you off? Get Snuffy in and
we will have a group nervous breakdown, revenge is sweet, competition
skydivers are so Machiavellian!
> >>
> >> Trust Jinnie to be inquisitive about which gaybars and where might be
> >> open.
> >>
> >> ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
> >
> >Its not rocket science----thats a known gay area, kinda like Houstons
> >Montrose
> >area
>
> Trust Jinnie to keep tabs on the known "gay areas." I seen this movie
> once - about these guys going down the river and one of 'em gets raped
> by some backwoods queers. I thought it was a documentary but Jinnie
> swears it's a love story.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
You wanna cum up heer and put a canoe in the Big Sandy & paddle down to
the Beaumont watershed cityboy....I suggest ya buy a case of KY gel and
pratice squeeling like a pig first heh heh 0~;->
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 31 May 2005 12:44:12 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >bigjim wrote:
> >> <... if he just expects to be knocked out he probably still believes in the
> >> tooth
> >> fairy.>
> >>
> >> What do teeth have to do with it? You probably don't have any anyway.
Yeah I do, keep them in a tumbler full of water at night, I can see
them from here
> >I'd be allowed to jump. So I picked up a 9 or 10 year old model.and had
> >a rigger put it in.
>
>
> Which is, of course - just more bullshit >
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Its my experiance its hard to step in any cow shit if you have a city
fellow along. We were catching up horses one weekend....the cattle and
horses were in the same pasture....so I tell this bigcity fellow "Here
you hold the feed bag,
shake it when they look our way~ then I put the halters behind my back.
I swear
that city fellow stepped in every cow patty in that pasture EXCEPT the
last one
He fell in that one. 3 horses and 70 head of cattle came running over
to get a better look and he got up and started running then slipped in
another pile----damnedist thing I ever saw...Boss cow ran over and
grabbed up the feed bag and the whole herd galloped off after
her----never did catch a horse that day. But we were still laughing at
the city by at bedtime ;)P
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 31 May 2005 12:44:12 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >bigjim wrote:
>> >> <... if he just expects to be knocked out he probably still believes in the
>> >> tooth
>> >> fairy.>
>> >>
>> >> What do teeth have to do with it? You probably don't have any anyway. Look
>> >> at it this way, if he didn't believe in fairies he certainly couldn't
>> >> believe in you.
>> >>
>> >> When did you go anti AAD? Previous posts by you asserted that you had one.
>> >> Need it for all those big ways you routinely got invited on?
>> >
>> >I had a FXC on student status because it was student and rental
>> >gear---all the other jumps after buying my first rig were with RSL
>> >only, except the last one. The word was, come back with a Cypress and
>> >I'd be allowed to jump. So I picked up a 9 or 10 year old model.and had
>> >a rigger put it in.
>>
>>
>> Which is, of course - just more bullshit as the Cypres didn't come out
>> until when...1991? You stepped in it again, dumbass.
>
>Either way it was at the end of its shelf life, had already had the
>batterys replaced once 4 years earlier so it was one of the
>originals...
Oh, so if you need an aad to skydive and use one that's "near the end
of its shelf-life," then the idea of "maybe you shouldn't be
skydiving," is no longer valid. You're doing the crabwalk again,
Jinnie.
>I needed a Cypres to satisfy DZ Lizzards who's buisness it
>was none of but were raising a stink anyway as usual...
No, you needed a cypres to jump - pure and simple.
>Hey it wasn't
>like I was risking their lives.
Sounds to me like it was skydivers trying to look out for others.
>I bet yer a typical DZ lizzard
>Jerry---no place else to go, no visible means of support.
Naw, I don't live on a trailer at the dz (or elsewhere) or make my
living jumping. As for visble means of support - here? You'll just
have to keep on imagining - I get paychecks like most everyone else.
>Just standing around sticking yer nose into buisness that don't concern
>you or panhandling for money----
Naw - just swatting you upside the head when you start blathering
about aad's being required everywhere, contrary to the reality.
>Geeze independent USPA
>Contractors....ie Coachs and Video Geeks worse than siding salesmen
><snear>
And there's you - going on about essentially how if anyone gets siding
for whatever reason, they're doing it out of fear than say,
practicality, and more stupid than than that, gassing about nefarious,
profit-driven plots requiring siding on houses everywhere.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>
>bigjim wrote:
>> > Need it for all those big ways you routinely got invited on?
>>
>> <Gayboy bars in Sothbeach...>
>>
>> I ask you about the big ways you got(didn't get) invited on and your
>> response consists of blathering about gay bars.
>.
>
>More than you think, they liked a experianced front front float that
>cud set a fast base, course most of them werte 20-ways....Every once in
>a while say
>once every year or so another twinT DZ would bring their Otter by and
>we would get a 42 way weed wacker launched...
What's this "we?" So, you're now saying you went up on 42ways? Did
they build? How many points did they turn? Most I've seen you on is
a one-way.
>If you aspired to that 36
>way USPA award ya just about had to go to Quincy or another big boogie
>and stay the duration
>praticing with the other skydivers that wanted one....Wasn't much
>around back then at most twin t's bigger than 20 ways. I saw a lotta
>people I knew from Texas with more than Gold Wings----DZM's and such
>types hanging around the big way tents at Quincy, if you asked them why
>for--->they generally all said the same thing "Gold Falcon or Eagle"
>cain't recall which was the 2 point 36 way
>You USPA 2000 tweetys got it easy and ya don't even realize
>it--------------
>
>Air Conditioning
>Plenty of big twins around
>On sight Cafe's
>Don't have to pack
Riiiiight - nevermind you jumping a ram-air (out of TwinT's, no less)
when people before you were jumping rounds. Jumping at Waller where
there was AC, and on-site cafe, packers - hell - indoor showers and
shitters, for that matter - and you jumped there so cut the "you got
it easy" bullcrap - you had it just as easy so that high-horse ain't
running. As for "plenty of big twins," looking at Texas TwinT's,
when you were jumping there was SPX- League City, Waller, Anuach,
Beaumont, and Whitewright and now? Let's see - SPX- Rosharon, Waller,
San Marcos, and Whitewright. So - either there was plenty around when
you were jumping as well or your definition of plenty includes one
less TwinT dz than there was when it was "scarce." Poser.
>Shit yawl don't even have to take grips anymore from the looks of most
>of the freak formations ;)Pfffffft
Blow it out your ass, Jinnie - I saw a pic of a 53way headown
completed the other day. As for the rest - you should check out how
freefly works, competition, scoring, or just plain fun-jumping - like,
know what you're talking about before you start castigating in the
rhetorical, as opposed to any realisitc sense - there's grips and
points, and moves, which you would know about if you had a clue.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>
>bigjim wrote:
>> > Need it for all those big ways you routinely got invited on?
>>
>> <Gayboy bars in Sothbeach...>
>>
>> I ask you about the big ways you got(didn't get) invited on and your
>> response consists of blathering about gay bars.
>
>Well when I talk to city boys, I like to be hip and talk about their
>culture snarf
Hell - ain't anyone other than yourself suggesting if people come up
to East Texas they need to bring a case of KY - seems to me by that
admission that the "culture" you allude to is alive, well, and most
active out in East Texas.
>>
>> Typical exchange:
>>
>> Me: Hey Snuffy, I think you are a fucking idiot and a liar.
>> You: Never mind, because you are a faggot.
>
>Yeah I am rather straight forward and plain spoken but at least you
>know where you stand with me right up front,,
Yeah, it goes along the lines of, Jinnie: "No matter how wrong I am,
no matter how often I have stepped in it, no matter how often I
contradict myself, and no matter how often I blatantly display my
ignorance, I am not ignorant, I never contradict myself, I have never
stepped in it, and I am never wrong." That pretty much sums it up.
Of course - this does nothing to deflect the ridicule that such
asinine self-centeredness tends to draw but you've yet to define where
you stand on the ridicule which pummels you almost on a daily basis
beyond elementary school responses - the ridiculer is a "skygod," or
"gay" or some such, colored with girly emoticons or the random
cutn'paste.
>wazzamatter it don't work
>for you?
>works for me! heh heh ha ha ha damnn I think I got a nut off on that
>one
Sure beats skydiving, eh?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Which is an interesting parallel along the lines of your mythical
"city dweller," unexplainably present in this anecdote of yours and
you, a former skydiver of little time or experience in the sport
unexplainably here on a skydiving newsgroup. The parallel continues
to follow - how you step in it, and step in it often in the
metaphorical sense - left and right, past the ankles and on to the
hip, if not wildly flailing yourself in face-first. It's loads of
laughs but the funniest part of of the spectacle is you scrambling to
your knees, smearing the brown (of your own making) over any spots
which weren't initially spattered and proclaiming how anyone laughing,
holding their nose, or otherwise informing you how brown and smelly
you've become just don't understand the nature of manure. Did this
city dweller in this story of yours end up hosing himself off or did
he, perhaps, unabashedly proclaim how the shit he was covered with was
what set him apart and made him superior?
...bsrp
...jlk
ladybug
an ill fitted rig, no less. A HUGE part they managed to overlook IMHO.
Take care.
the unknown flailer
Nah, when I finally got down to the gate he was telling Earl the cows
attacted us
and he thought we was gonna no shit~die. That particular herd of
Heifers is so gentle you can work them on foot..shit they trot right
up, if they could open a gate
you would never have to get out of the pickup.
the unknown flailer
bigjim wrote:
> If you want to talk about gay, let's talk about gay. Why do you continue to
> perpetuate this ongoing fantasy that you have that I am gay?
You act like a girl
> Me: Hey Snuffy, I think you are a fucking idiot and a liar.
> You: Never mind, because you are a faggot.
How true it is 0~;)P
the unknown flailer
If this was the 70's...I would picture you with a water bed and closet
full of Leisure suits, perhaps trying to sport a whiteboy Afro...
~oh yeah you belong in either Florida or California sonny~
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> >> I ask you about the big ways you got(didn't get) invited on and your
> >> response consists of blathering about gay bars.
> >.
> >
> >More than you think, they liked a experianced front front float that
> >cud set a fast base, course most of them werte 20-ways....Every once in
> >a while say
> >once every year or so another twinT DZ would bring their Otter by and
> >we would get a 42 way weed wacker launched...
>
> What's this "we?" So, you're now saying you went up on 42ways?
Actually did a 48 way one time
Did
> they build?
yeah, it looked good
How many points did they turn?
Everybody got in so I guess you would call it one, it didn't transition
before breakoff though----no 2nd point was planned, thats cool because
everybody was probably thinking what I was thinking. "
"I'm in, got a grip, fuck you I ain't leting go."
Most I've seen you on is
> a one-way.
>
> >If you aspired to that 36
> >way USPA award ya just about had to go to Quincy or another big boogie
> >and stay the duration
> >praticing with the other skydivers that wanted one....Wasn't much
> >around back then at most twin t's bigger than 20 ways. I saw a lotta
> >people I knew from Texas with more than Gold Wings----DZM's and such
> >types hanging around the big way tents at Quincy, if you asked them why
> >for--->they generally all said the same thing "Gold Falcon or Eagle"
> >cain't recall which was the 2 point 36 way
> >You USPA 2000 tweetys got it easy and ya don't even realize
> >it--------------
> >
> >Air Conditioning
> >Plenty of big twins around
> >On sight Cafe's
> >Don't have to pack
>
> Riiiiight - nevermind you jumping a ram-air (out of TwinT's, no less)
> when people before you were jumping rounds. Jumping at Waller where
> there was AC,
That didn't work in the early days...thats ok I preferred to pack under
the tree's and yeah Dick had a Twin at the time---a raggity old T-bo
with a plexiglass square in the floor....first time I saw him spot
through the nasty thing I thought "Oh shit, were hosed!" ;)P
the unknown flailer
Lets see, made a run down south...have a bottle of Port and one of
Brandy, got beer in the cooler. Someone made me a Cypress rocking
chair....its out in the shade under the old oak tree-got half a inch of
rain yesterday morning...the garden is looking good...a little ole
young gal in ripped up shorts comes by and cuts my grass. Got high
strung city boys to fuck with on wreck..Nope, never have a bad
week--I'm so retired I'm tired. 0~;-*
the unknown flailer
Yeah, its a lot cheaper not to mention you can just flip a switch to
cut the moaning and whining off. ;-*
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 1 Jun 2005 17:40:37 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> I ask you about the big ways you got(didn't get) invited on and your
> >> response consists of blathering about gay bars.
> >
> >Well when I talk to city boys, I like to be hip and talk about their
> >culture snarf
>
> Hell - ain't anyone other than yourself suggesting if people come up
> to East Texas they need to bring a case of KY - seems to me by that
> admission that the "culture" you allude to is alive, well, and most
> active out in East Texas.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Polk county, about the only trouble you will have is maybe a few drunk
indians trying to charge a creek toll...the other good ole boys are
about like me ~laid back with a wicked sense of humor~ Its Harding
County your going to have to worry about....they have them KKK &
militia faggots from down around Beaumont and Vidor running around in
the woods playing war games. Bring a chain saw...your gonna have to cut
through tree falls.
Tip---don't crank the chain saw up on NPS land, them there Park Rangers
are nie about as bad a bunch of Natzi's ever produced. ;-*
the unknown flailer
And the question would be, how many millions of stills did you have to
go thru to find a hooked up freak formation? ;-*
the unknown flailer
scrubby wrote:
> ynotssor wrote:
> > The article in the May issue of Skydiving Magazine helps me once
> again to
> > realize that we have far, far too many skydivers who place a reliance
> on
> > such devices instead of deploying their own emergency canopies in a
> timely
> > fashion.
>
>
> Skydiving is not very forgiving. With modern AAD's it has allowed
> people that have made the biggest mistake (not opening) to live and
> continue on. AAD's have slowed the thinning of the herd.
Improvements on quipment in general has slowed it....AAD's don't get
all the credit. Typical, improve the gear, make it safer and those that
need to die on time will find a way-----Whats the industry going to do
about hook turning? ohm ohm ohm
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>
>scrubby wrote:
>> ynotssor wrote:
>> > The article in the May issue of Skydiving Magazine helps me once
>> again to
>> > realize that we have far, far too many skydivers who place a reliance
>> on
>> > such devices instead of deploying their own emergency canopies in a
>> timely
>> > fashion.
>>
>>
>> Skydiving is not very forgiving. With modern AAD's it has allowed
>> people that have made the biggest mistake (not opening) to live and
>> continue on. AAD's have slowed the thinning of the herd.
>
>Improvements on quipment in general has slowed it....
I'd say a greater emphasis on safety and training has contributed. Of
course, it's a gimme that you'll be pegging this as just fear and
money grubbing. Ya think?
>AAD's don't get
>all the credit. Typical, improve the gear, make it safer and those that
>need to die on time will find a way-----Whats the industry going to do
>about hook turning?
Why wait for the industry to hold anyone's hand? If they make a
product which is usefull, it'll sell - and they can continue to put
food on their table. The question is - what are you going to do about
such a thing beyond uninformedly bitch about it and use it as a
soapbox for your latest lines of self-affirming crap?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Of my own, none at all - I'm not a freeflyer and have never shot that
kind of dive. Out on the web - there's a lot. In the magazines -
there's a lot. On walls of dz's - there's a lot. And for the
freeflyers - there's been a lot and more every day. You just see a
growing facet of the sport as a threat in that, whether you care to
admit it or not, you don't like the idea of some aspect of the sport
being participated in and enjoyed with little or no connection to an
aspect of the sport you tried to be a part of - less room for you to
throw out the standard brag and bravado. Just keep in mind that as
time goes by, there are people jumping out of airplanes, in a variety
of different ways, having a good time of it, and whether you approve
of it or aspects of it or not, remote as you are and not on any dz
where you might be able to make some difference - you're not making a
difference.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Near as I can tell - trolling on the usenet kinda appears to be
somewhat lacking in the knees to breeze department - differnet strokes
for dingleberries, I suppose.
...bsrp
...jlk
Paul Gholson
story, although it is wasted on all the city boys. I've been there before,
feed bucket in one hand, halter in the other, pushing the cows out of the
way, trying to slip the halter on...about that time I was usually ankle deep
in the patties, not concerned with my boots anymore at all. Those were the
good old days, for sure.
Paul from SEMO
bigjim
> It's loads of
> laughs but the funniest part of of the spectacle is you scrambling to
> your knees, smearing the brown (of your own making) over any spots
> which weren't initially spattered and proclaiming how anyone laughing,
> holding their nose, or otherwise informing you how brown and smelly
> you've become just don't understand the nature of manure. Did this
> city dweller in this story of yours end up hosing himself off or did
> he, perhaps, unabashedly proclaim how the shit he was covered with was
> what set him apart and made him superior?
That is the funniest part. And, speaking of rocket science, there are
only two ways to step in you own shit, walking in a circle or walking
backwards, like a crawfish. Anybody you know of, around here, spend a good
deal of time walking backwards?
the unknown flailer
Nah, my specialty is feeding city boys to the cows....Reminds me so
much of the Waller Skydivers when Farmer McNasty kept his cows across
the road...they wud cum high stepping across the FM road having shucked
their containers if they landed out....
"Hey Snuffy, those damn cows kept my rig."
"Go back and get it."
"You go get it, they chased me!"
"No they didn't, their just naturally curious creatures...they came
over to see what you were doing".
"Auggggggg look look...one of them is eating my canopy!"
"Nah, she's smelling it."
"She my ass, its got horns!"
"Got no balls though."
"I'll give you a jump ticket to go get it, pleassssse."
"NO, be a man and go run those heifers off boy."
"I'll get goared."
"Better hurry before they start stepping on it kid."
STEPING ON IT? AUGGGGGGGGGGG!"
ROFL. I shit you not. Houston people. ;)P
the unknown flailer
Paul Gholson wrote:
> .Well, even though I disagree with you many times
that would be the smart thing to do....cuz I'm bad about messing with
these big city skydivers
....that is a pretty good
> story, although it is wasted on all the city boys. I've been there before,
> feed bucket in one hand, halter in the other, pushing the cows out of the
> way, trying to slip the halter on...about that time I was usually ankle deep
> in the patties, not concerned with my boots anymore at all. Those were the
> good old days, for sure.
> Paul from SEMO
>
Ya think thats something I got a million sea storys...it just drives
the Veteran USN/USMC boots crazy...course I'm just sick enough to get
off on that. Gits kinda boring out here in the woods sometimes, Blue
skys, be safe ;)
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 2 Jun 2005 05:34:47 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 1 Jun 2005 17:32:03 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> >Shit yawl don't even have to take grips anymore from the looks of most
> >> >of the freak formations ;)Pfffffft
> >>
> >> Blow it out your ass, Jinnie - I saw a pic of a 53way headown
> >> completed the other day. As for the rest - you should check out how
> >> freefly works, competition, scoring, or just plain fun-jumping - like,
> >> know what you're talking about before you start castigating in the
> >> rhetorical, as opposed to any realisitc sense - there's grips and
> >> points, and moves, which you would know about if you had a clue.
> >>
> >> ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
> >
> >And the question would be, how many millions of stills did you have to
> >go thru to find a hooked up freak formation?
>
> Of my own, none at all - I'm not a freeflyer and have never shot that
> kind of dive.
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Yuh yew probably lurk too too far out to get a shot unless ya got
connections with the Hubble, really artta git with the program kid and
try to fly a slot. 0~;-)
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Naw, I just haven't done any freeflying with a camera on my head.
Funny thing about you working the "fly a slot" angle - seems every
photo I've seen of you in freefall had a distinct, solo appearance.
Want me to point you to the link where there's pics of me and a bunch
of others doing multi-point 36ways? Heh - 'course you don't.
Btw - you got video or at least a still of that supposed 42way your
were bragging about earlier - it's all bullshit and it certainly ain't
real until you pony up a vid, you know - your rules, too.
...bsrp
...jlk
bigjim
> were bragging about earlier - it's all bullshit and it certainly ain't
> real until you pony up a vid, you know - your rules, too.
The dingleberry doesn't do documentation, you known that - his word is his
proof.
the unknown flailer
heh yuh all those pictures of me were taken before I had 50 jumps, only
ones after 200 were one Russel Webb took of me standing in the hanger
door looking up
at the C-boo boogie at Lake Anuach and of course the Bronze jump at
POPS Nationals in 1995, a pool geek took those...I look at the video
shit like logging, no need for it once you got the D...Its a good
teaching tool and thats about it...I'd make the zoo novices git video
cuz it was easier to point their flaws out on tape....typical
skydivers, they didn't believe it till they saw it with their own
eyes-----Saved a lotta screaming and hollering on my part.
You got shit boy, ya really artta learn to start telling the truth ;)P
the unknown flailer
Well that was over a decade ago, missed the Texas record a 48 way I
believe.
had been off on one of my Gypsy runs and missed the trials. We did a 42
way for fun later though and yup theirs a fine shot of that weed wacker
turning.
Didn't keep a copy but theirs one floating around out there somewhere I
bet ya....its always a safe bet some skydiving ego will require keeping
it. Being a D yawl are just gonna have to go by my word----didn't need
no skygod signing my log book after 200 and it occurs to me I don't
need no video geek
providing any proof---ya don't want to believe it lump it 0~;-*
the unknown flailer
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
OK next question, have you ever flown a slot is a freak formation that
required taking a grip after exit? You got no talent kid or you wudda
done passed the JCC. Quite a bit of difference between lurking at a
distance while a camera lens
closes the distance and flying in close formation while maintaining.
Yer a
slack ass flailer. FESS UP BITCH ten give me a pushup for every jump
yew ever made ya little faker-----over 2000 by now huh? Sounds kinda
harsh I know but
ya need to tighten up and become a man....go over there with peenut and
git to humping and pumping you under achieving scrounge 0~;)P
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Hell, Jinnie - it's your rule - if it ain't on video it didn't happen
- you know that.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Just holding you to your platitude, is all, and watching you squirm
into the crabwalk.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Yep, multiples - so what? You ever sitfly, dock, release, and move on
(nevermind doing it on your head)? I never needed a dorky, spandex
sitsuit, either.
>You got no talent kid or you wudda
>done passed the JCC.
Not that you ever passed such a course - I've done a number of offside
slot jumps where the jumper on the other side was practicing for the
course and the practice student was doing his best to flail, not to
mention flown in and taken the JM slot on actual students when the JM
wasn't there - not saying this makes me a JM but as for the flying -
done it a bit - certainly worlds more often than you ever which is how
many for you - zero?
>Quite a bit of difference between lurking at a
>distance while a camera lens
>closes the distance
Nevermind that the wide angle makes it appear farther away than it
actually is. Geez - you really should consider having a clue what
you're talking about before you open the pie-hole, Jinnie.
>and flying in close formation while maintaining.
Heh - love to see you fly close in, in burble, while the snow-snow is
sweeping under - all the while keeping it in frame, corner to corner.
You and me both got no NJ's, Jinnie - the difference is I've had maybe
two-three hundred opportunites to get that J in competition whereas
you? Zero?
>Yer a
>slack ass flailer.
Current, too. How 'bout you?
> FESS UP BITCH ten give me a pushup for every jump
>yew ever made ya little faker-----over 2000 by now huh?
Naw, you still owe pushups for the myriad of pretenses you've asserted
plus a shitload more for the number of times you've stepped in it.
Hell, I'll be nice - just give up one for every jump you've ever made
- shouldn't tale too long, ya think? btw - a little over 3k,
actually.
>Sounds kinda
>harsh I know but
>ya need to tighten up and become a man....
Is that what the instructer said when you two were snuggling up in the
candle-light on his bunk?
>go over there with peenut and
>git to humping and pumping you under achieving scrounge 0~;)P
Sure thing - just as soon as you get your ass to a dz and do your act
live - you're just flailing in here.
...bsrp
...jlk
bigjim
no skygod signing my log book after 200 and it occurs to me I don't
need no video geek>
Ironic, perhaps, that here in the USPA 2005 you wouldn't have that D you are
constantly reminding everyone that you held. Wouldn't have the numbers to
get it now, would you, little C-boy.
Jerry K.
wrote:
Does that invalidate his "National" bronze he skeezed onto? Could be.
...bsrp
...jlk
bigjim
It should. You think they would just revoke it on general principles.
There must be something in the POPS bylaws about "no dingleberrys"
Mike Spurgeon
> There must be something in the POPS bylaws about "no dingleberrys"
Nope. The rolls would plummet...
David Ferree
wrote:
>> Does that invalidate his "National" bronze he skeezed onto? Could be.
>
>It should. You think they would just revoke it on general principles.
>There must be something in the POPS bylaws about "no dingleberrys"
>
Yeah, we only want self important blowhards with few real life
experiences and capabilities winning medals.
the unknown flailer
My rules only apply to USPA skygods no matter how minor who live and
die over
crap like that......that leaves me out...Its clear I bent enough BSR's
to be a bad guy by strict USPA standards, actually back then.....they
were recommendations so no criminal intent could be proved. AND I just
stretched them a bit, ya know skated around them looking for the true
edge of the learning curve! <bfeg>
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Right - 1) you coming up with such a rule, 2) you, yourself were
also, once, a member of the very same USPA, and 3) are also quite
guilty of, for instance, holding yourself and others to disperate
standards - what, you demand others to prove with video that
something occurred while you, at the same time, contend that video
proof of whatever you say occurred isn't also required?
>that leaves me out...
And often out of the formation, let alone even on the dive - unless
you got video, that is.
>ts clear I bent enough BSR's
>to be a bad guy by strict USPA standards, actually back then....
Well, there's bending the rules while contending you knew what you
were doing and then there's supposing you did the same when the
actuality was, you had no clue what you were doing....and, uh - people
remember.
>.they
>were recommendations so no criminal intent could be proved.
Sure, ain't no laws against stupidty beyond those going back to
Darwin. Heh, evolved yourself into the hospital and out of the sport
it seems.
>AND I just
>stretched them a bit, ya know skated around them looking for the true
>edge of the learning curve! <bfeg>
Right - and this often earned you regular rations of shit from those
who you either selfishly or unknowingly dragged with you to that edge
- nevermind "skating" around the edge of where grass meets runway or
even "skating" around the concept of thinking things through.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
I don't make the rules, only ignore the mainstream excepted rules
2) you, yourself were
> also, once, a member of the very same USPA,
In the early 90's before the politically correct shits with big grey
areas floated up and took over
and 3) are also quite
> guilty of, for instance, holding yourself and others to disperate
> standards - what, you demand others to prove with video that
> something occurred while you, at the same time, contend that video
> proof of whatever you say occurred isn't also required?
Not as long as my memory has it recorded----video is for novices
>
>
> And often out of the formation, let alone even on the dive - unless
> you got video, that is.
>
> >ts clear I bent enough BSR's
> >to be a bad guy by strict USPA standards, actually back then....
>
> Well, there's bending the rules while contending you knew what you
> were doing and then there's supposing you did the same when the
> actuality was, you had no clue what you were doing....and, uh - people
> remember.
They have video of these supposed crimes against the SIMS? snerk
> ...bsrp
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
You: "Well if you ain't got video of points being turned, it didn't
happen then,"
* * *
There's other examples out there, as well. You stepped in it again,
Jinnie.
>
>
>2) you, yourself were
>> also, once, a member of the very same USPA,
>
>
>In the early 90's before the politically correct shits with big grey
>areas floated up and took over
Which doesn't say a whole lot for you, as a USPA member allowing such
things to happen - but then - you get a pass I suppose since you are,
without a doubt, one enormous jackass - nevermind the whole
"politicaly correct" and "grey area" angle is just more of your
standard, stock rhetorical bullshit.
>
>
> and 3) are also quite
>> guilty of, for instance, holding yourself and others to disperate
>> standards - what, you demand others to prove with video that
>> something occurred while you, at the same time, contend that video
>> proof of whatever you say occurred isn't also required?
>
>Not as long as my memory has it recorded----video is for novices
Your memory, as it has often been demonstrated in the past, is very
one dimensional, if not faulty, given how it is geared towards only
remembering things which make you feel better about yourself and your
present circumstances.
>>
>
>>
>> And often out of the formation, let alone even on the dive - unless
>> you got video, that is.
>>
>> >ts clear I bent enough BSR's
>> >to be a bad guy by strict USPA standards, actually back then....
>>
>> Well, there's bending the rules while contending you knew what you
>> were doing and then there's supposing you did the same when the
>> actuality was, you had no clue what you were doing....and, uh - people
>> remember.
>
>They have video of these supposed crimes against the SIMS?
Absolutely. Remember Webb? Still waiting for video of this supposed
42way you are imagining yourself on.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
all older dingleberrys are welcome is more likely ;)P
the unknown flailer
Yes I am the last of that generation, put it in the bank you city twinks
bigjim
.> > The dingleberry doesn't do documentation, you known that - his word is
his
> > proof.
> Yes I am the last of that generation, put it in the bank you city twinks
There is a fee for trying to put things in the bank that bounce, pseudo
hick.
the unknown flailer
Maybe down in the big city, up here in the back woods things can still
done on a handshake, plus we still trade and barter.....What little
bitty yankee money I have in the nearest town with a bank cain't bounce
city slicker. You have my deepest sympathy for having to live like a
rat down there in that concrete warren--------------NOT REALLY haw haw
haw - young fricking wimps ;)
the unknown flailer
USPA2000 eyes, yup the 1995 POPS
National Bronze, they cain't & won't take it away, we won it fair and
square, plus POPS don't operate like those USPA2000 homo's....It really
is a group of older fun jumpers, the fires of Vanity have pretty well
been banked down, everybodys out to strictly sport jump for fun----Only
had 219 jumps at the time, should have been declared a International
medal the Canucks were down in force trying to sweep the events that
particular year. At least one Waller Skydiver was on each team that
took Gold Silver and Bronze though ~Sweet~
the unknown flailer
Russ didn't show up every weekend, don't remember him videoing
it...Same guy that shot the 48 way record shot the 42 way...middle aged
guy-really cool, not stuck up or big headed at all, married....he and
his wife "quite a good RW flyer as most women turn out to be used to
come out in spells and sleep over on the DZ with the rest of us up
jumpers" They weren't regulars though....must have traveled to the
various events.
I noticed most of the middle aged jumpers who had been around awhile
were fair weather jumpers---most of the thrill seemed to be gone so
they didn't show every weekend...just jumped in spells or when
something special was going on. I didn't go thru FJC till I was about
55 so at 60 still had that junkie outlook, couldn't get enough of it-
(I loved to hassle city people without appearing to try anyway so it
was a double hook on me. Everybody knows how it takes yer life over for
the first 5 or 10 years
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Waller, of course, being one of those big, politically incorrect,
TwinT dz's - paved airstrip, indoor shitters, cafe, even a glassed in
manifest. Given your rhetoric of past, it's a wonder you make the
pretense of having been an upjumper there.
...bsrp
...jlk
lugnuts
wrote:
> Did any of your group also get the "Best of POPS" award there? NO, I did,
> because I am the one who gave POPS the trophy to award each year. AND, I
> wasn't even there. AND as far as USPA goes, I dropped my membership and
> jumped at a non USPA DZ.
It's all about YOU, isn't it?
Why doncha pay Jimbo and the others back the $20 you STOLE from each
of them, ya fuckin' THIEF!!!
CincyGuy
because I am the one who gave POPS the trophy to award each year. AND, I
wasn't even there. AND as far as USPA goes, I dropped my membership and
jumped at a non USPA DZ.
If you ain't at least POPS, you ain't shit.
George Rabe
D-8584 POPS-1563 SOS-120 Shit Sarter # 1 :>)
"the unknown flailer" <kam...@eastex.net> wrote in message
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Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Heh - I saw him last weekend - still jumping and he shows up most
weekends. Where were you?
>don't remember him videoing
>it...
Of course you don't - you remembering him having video of some of your
stupids would be too inconvienent for your pretense and posing to
consider. Rest assured, though - he did and it still exists and take
heart - they're valuable training tools. People'll ask, "Geez - what
happened to that numbnuts?" and the point gets hammered home, "Well,
umm - he fucked up and ain't able to jump anymore."
>Same guy that shot the 48 way record shot the 42 way...middle aged
>guy-really cool, not stuck up or big headed at all, married....he and
>his wife "quite a good RW flyer as most women turn out to be used to
>come out in spells and sleep over on the DZ with the rest of us up
>jumpers" They weren't regulars though....must have traveled to the
>various events.
>I noticed most of the middle aged jumpers who had been around awhile
>were fair weather jumpers---most of the thrill seemed to be gone so
>they didn't show every weekend...just jumped in spells or when
>something special was going on. I didn't go thru FJC till I was about
>55 so at 60 still had that junkie outlook, couldn't get enough of it-
>(I loved to hassle city people without appearing to try anyway so it
>was a double hook on me. Everybody knows how it takes yer life over for
>the first 5 or 10 years
Most people get a clue and don't pretend they're anything other than
what they are...then there's you. Make any jumps lately, Jinnie?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jack R. Ceman
wrote:
>Did any of your group also get the "Best of POPS" award there? NO, I did,
George,
You have the believability of Michael Jackson, the ego of Kenny Rogers
(the pitcher, not the washed-up country singer) and the charisma of
Jennifer Wilbanks; other than that, you're okay in my book.
Blue Skies,
Jack