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bigjim
http://danovision.com/dano/2004keysboogie.htm
JimBo
>From: "bigjim" big...@the-beach.net
>Link to pics from Keys Boogie, weekend before last.
so...which one is Biggyjim ?
Jim D-10154
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
TooyT
>
>http://danovision.com/dano/2004keysboogie.htm
>
UNSAFE florida SKYDIVERS, THEIR ALL TRACKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION WITHOUT MUCH
SEPERATION IN ONE OF THOSE PICTURES----Ya fukking south beach idiot ;)P
TooyT
>Link to pics from Keys Boogie, weekend before last.so...which one is Biggyjim
?
probably one of the young fools tracking the same direction in picture 11 ;->
JimBo
>From: to...@aol.com (TooyT)
>Date: 11/23/2004 8:44 PM Pacific
pssst Snuffy...that looks to be a tracking dive. You need to get out a little
more
Darren G
> Link to pics from Keys Boogie, weekend before last.
>
> http://danovision.com/dano/2004keysboogie.htm
Cool pics. Is it just me, or would landing off at this DZ present some
interesting challenges?
Blues
Darren G
Jerry K.
UNSAFE? What - fear got you by the balls? Hell, nothing wrong with
tracking in the same direction on tracking dives but if you're gonna
demand they track in opposite directions then maybe you should be
forking over for their tickets.
Tracking dive dude - flock together from altitude and fly. Of course,
most people (who ain't afraid of dropsones) could easily see that
they're a few thousand feet above typical rw breakoff, pick a vector
and track for the horizon, by those pictures. I would call you a
dumbass but in this case I guess you just qualify for ignorant
dipshit. But take heart - it does appear a bunch of the skydivers in
those pics (nice pics, btw) are vain enough to be wearing custom
colored Javelins - like you did for a little while.
...bsrp
...jlk
ynotssor
news:37feba1f.04112...@posting.google.com
> Cool pics. Is it just me, or would landing off at this DZ present some
> interesting challenges?
Consider every jump to be a "water jump" and prepare accordingly. "Landing
off" the DZ has plenty of alternatives, including some creative ones at low
tide if prior arrangements are made with a friendly boat.
Just be sure to let manifest and the rest of the load know your intentions.
tony
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says...
You can't blame him too much. After all, he hasn't been to a DZ in
years, and probably wouldn't recognize half of what goes on. Kind of
like a neanderthal (hmmmmm... spot on analogy) waking up in Times Square
on New Year's Eve.
Keep up or shut up, Jimmie-kins.
bob p
TooyT
>>Biggyjim
>>?
>>
>>probably one of the young fools tracking the same direction in picture 11
>;->
>>
>
>pssst Snuffy...that looks to be a tracking dive. You need to get out a little
>more
>
>Jim D-10154
>
>Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
>
>
WHAT A BUNCH OF SLACKERS!!!
<And of course you sold out to remain popular with the young sissys ;)P
TooyT
>UNSAFE? What - fear got you by the balls? Hell, nothing wrong with
>tracking in the same direction on tracking dives
Oh yeah I forgot, you youngsters have a hard time with griped dives, how many
points did yawl lie outta that puss dive?
Gee even I would be a safe skydiver by todays standards----tracking down to be
the lowest like Iused to, ahem that was always after a points formation though
and even though AFF was becoming prevelent
we broke off to track below 5/5 NOW WHO'S THE PUSS YOU SOUTH BEACH FAGGOT?
0~;-*
Oneryfart
>probably one of the young fools tracking >the same direction in picture 11 ;->
>pssst Snuffy...that looks to be a tracking >dive. You need to get out a little
more
>
>Jim D-10154
Thats what Lodi Mike sed in a e-mail <grin>
Hey, who wants to go out and watch a bunch of cain't get a grip faggots? I
understand why yer all for it Jimbo....yer fat and middle aged, gitting a grip
must be difficult as your skills have degraded over the years----->go your way
with the weak AFF crowd Mr. sell out;)P
Oneryfart
>UNSAFE?
> Hell, nothing wrong with
>tracking in the same direction on >tracking dives
tracking in the same direction is unsafe in any circumstances because of canopy
opening variables...The original intent of tracking was opening seperation, not
creating a no grip dive for novices.
> if you're gonna demand they track in >opposite directions >then maybe you
>should be forking over for their tickets.
They need more seperation is what I'm saying, hell its a no grip dive anyway.
Geeze and you bitch about the old zoo ways open to non licenced skydivers
back before the GM/BOD lackys came up with that coaching skeem to bump up the
cost of learning. I must be seriously old cuz now I understand why the old
folks back in the late 50's bitched about no contact dancing. THIS IS A CROCK
OF SHIT, it damned sure ain't skydiving ;-P
Jerry K.
>>UNSAFE florida SKYDIVERS, THEIR ALL TRACKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION
>
>>UNSAFE? What - fear got you by the balls? Hell, nothing wrong with
>>tracking in the same direction on tracking dives
>
>Oh yeah I forgot, you youngsters have a hard time with griped dives,
Wheareas you have a hard time with with not jut gripped dives but any
other type of dives.
>how many
>points did yawl lie outta that puss dive?
Who's counting? By the look of the pic it seems they were flying
their slots.
>Gee even I would be a safe skydiver by todays standards----
Well, gee - you prefer to remain safe at home - about as safe as it
gets.
>tracking down to be
>the lowest like Iused to,
I think that had more to with just plain blundering altitude
unawaredness as opposed to any concerted plan to remain safe or, in
your case, go the opposite direction for the attention.
>ahem that was always after a points formation though
Lest we forget those spandex sit-suit solos...
>and even though AFF was becoming prevelent
>we broke off to track below 5/5
What, AFF was prevalent back in the vaunted outlaw 90's?
>NOW WHO'S THE PUSS YOU SOUTH BEACH FAGGOT?
>0~;-*
Without citing chapter and verse, clearly it is you, Mister "UNSAFE
florida SKYDIVERS, THEIR ALL TRACKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION!"
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>UNSAFE florida SKYDIVERS,
>
>>UNSAFE?
>
>> Hell, nothing wrong with
>>tracking in the same direction on >tracking dives
>
>tracking in the same direction is unsafe in any circumstances because of canopy
>opening variables...
Bullshit - only in specific, well-defined circumstances could it be
considered unsafe and none of those pictures appears to be
illustrating a bunch of people tracking in anything near a 2-4K
breakoff and track to opening altitude.
>The original intent of tracking was opening seperation, not
>creating a no grip dive for novices.
Ah, so denying the original intent of the idea, nevermind the
disparity in altitudes between the original intent and while tracking
for the sake of tracking, is what yiou deem as UNSAFE? As for novices
tracking - it's not as simple as it looks, Jinnie. I doubt you could
ever of done it in formation.
>
>> if you're gonna demand they track in >opposite directions >then maybe you
>>should be forking over for their tickets.
>
>They need more seperation is what I'm saying,
Yeah, and they might need to be a little closer to breakoff.
>hell its a no grip dive anyway.
Something which you apparently failed to notice from the get go - all
you got was it was a bunch of people tracking in the same direction
thereby affording you an opportunity to denigrate and pretend you
possessed some sort of knowledge about the subject. Of course, you
didn't know what was going on and naturally, it blew up in your
face...again.
>Geeze and you bitch about the old zoo ways open to non licenced skydivers
>back before the GM/BOD lackys came up with that coaching skeem to bump up the
>cost of learning.
Naw, I merely plaster you with inconvienent reality when you for
instance, brag about your supposed "organizing" of such episodes
without referring to the fallout which ensued after. Hmmm - do you
suppose the coaching "scheme" had its beginnings with some jackass
wanting to be able to pretend he had bigway experience but could never
get invited onto such formations with the same people more than once
and thus he gathered a bunch of non-licensed skydivers who didn't know
any better? Do you wonder if maybe you were responsible for the
coaching program's inception?
>I must be seriously old cuz now I understand why the old
>folks back in the late 50's bitched about no contact dancing.
Nevrmind the 30-40 years intervening this supposed bitching in the
late 50's and your first sport jump.
>THIS IS A CROCK
>OF SHIT, it damned sure ain't skydiving ;-P
Do you suppose that when rw began to overtake S&A that there might
have also been skydivers muttering the very same thing? Just because
you happen to be elderly, Jinnie, doesn't mean you are or were ever an
old skydiver. Then as now, simply a pretentious wannabe - unwilling
to spend the time, take the lumps, learn from mistakes, and unable to
continue in the sport.
Call it what you will - bitching about it damn sure ain't skydiving
either.
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>fukking south beach fairys
>Tracking dive dude - flock together from >altitude and fly.
Now if yawl had formed a catapillar & flew it back to the dz from altitude
(that wudda meant something>
>, he hasn't been to a DZ in
>years,
Yup, looks like nothing but no pressure pussyboy jumps are going down AT LEAST
IN FLORIDA and btw
if ya don't like to be bothered why you posting to wreck kid?
Oneryfart
>> >>
>> >>http://danovision.com/dano/2004keysboogie.htm
Real gayboy skydiving if you ask me <snicker>
Oneryfart
>Biggyjim
I always knowed you wuz a puss biggy jim
What is that, some kind of no contact skydiving yawl got going on down there in
queersville?
A.K.A. - MORK
>off" the DZ has plenty of alternatives, including some creative ones at low
>tide if prior arrangements are made with a friendly boat.
>
>Just be sure to let manifest and the rest of the load know your intentions.
>
>
> tony
>
>--
>use hotmail for email replies
>
>
>
not to worry I'm sure each and everyone one of them are carrying the required
floation gear for exiting, or landing within 1 mile of open water :)
Oneryfart
>tracking in the same direction on tracking dives
whats the point, anybody can lurk that no grip shit?
>Wheareas you have a hard time with with not jut gripped dives but any other
type of dives.
>
This from a guy who win's medals lurking?
I just wanna know how them south beach fairs score a no grip jump like that?
>Who's counting?
I am and I'm watching yawl. even though I hain't posted much----better square
away and cut out them florida no grip pussy dives or I'll be on yawl like stink
on shit.
>Lest we forget those spandex sit-suit >solos...
warn't many sit flyers around then and not but a few belly divers brave enuff
to exit with a large helecoptering one 0;->
TooyT
>UNSAFE?
OK no point pussy's
>Kind of like a neanderthal
Yup, no points----NO RESPECT
Oneryfart
>should be forking over for their tickets.
Not at USPA2000 prices sonnyboy they need more seperation is what I'm saying,
>
>Yeah, and they might need to be a little >closer to breakoff.
Looked to be under 10 grand......I'd say 5/5 or 6 frome the size of the
rooftops under them----thats about breakoff for modern AFF tweets ain't it?
They get uncomfortable lower than that.
>hell its a no grip dive anyway.
might as well bail and fly your canopy cross country......might make the video
geek shit------->Thats worth at least a outlaw point <snerk>
>Something which you apparently failed to >notice from the get go - all
>you got was it was a bunch of people >tracking in the same direction
Yup no grips wuz a dead giveaway that it wasn't Texas skydiving ;]
>hereby affording you an opportunity to
BITCH is the word youngster and yep Biggyjim wuz a dumbass for putting it up
Lookit the results a coyote came outta the woods and started snapping at no
account no grip sheep butt----yawl are gonna have to cut the Florida
underachivers out of the USPA git a grip bitch ;)P
Jerry K.
>>if you're gonna demand they track in >opposite directions >then maybe you
>>should be forking over for their tickets.
>
>Not at USPA2000 prices sonnyboy they need more seperation is what I'm saying,
Hell, if you're gonna bitch about people who think others might be
better off with a cypres and smugly suggest that they should buy them
for them then I say that if you're gonna opine on how a bunch of
jumpers on a tracking dive need more seperation, then you should
consider paying for their ticket since you want them to do the dive in
any other way which they might prefer and had agreed to - no matter
the price.
>>
>>Yeah, and they might need to be a little >closer to breakoff.
>
>Looked to be under 10 grand......I'd say 5/5 or 6 frome the size of the
>rooftops under them----
Looked to be sure - what did the formation they were flying look to be
and explain why their formation needed more seperation?
>thats about breakoff for modern AFF tweets ain't it?
If you gotta ask you ain't ever gonna know - Louis Armstrong.
In other words, if you sucked it up and made the effort to understand
skydiving by visiting the places where it occurs then you might have
understood or at least have been aware of the concept of a tracking
dive and just what a tracking dive might look like. As for breakoffs,
ect., it's around 3.5-4.5, depending on the size of the formation. I
mean, most 4way I'm on breaks between 3.5 and 4 and most 8way at 4
while say a 10-20 way, usually around 4.5
>They get uncomfortable lower than that.
So you'd like to imagine but there is no broad-brushed, lumped
together "they." All are individuals. Speaking for myself, I like to
be pulling between 2 and 2.5. I've taken it lower on occasion for a
variety of reasons but I don't make a habit of it. Unlike you, when
balancing saving my ass vs. self-centered, "look at me, I'm dangerous
and therefore cool so give me attention!!!" I recognize that there is
a point of diminishing returns but, as ever, I do have an advantage
over you - I'm current for instance.
>
>>hell its a no grip dive anyway.
> might as well bail and fly your canopy cross country......
No, flying a canopy cross country and flying your body cross country
are two entirely different past-times - each with their own
challenges.
>might make the video
>geek shit------->Thats worth at least a outlaw point <snerk>
Hmmm - and supposing this was done and supposing this was done without
informing the geek that it would be done and supposing the videogeek
cratered into an opening canopy or the person opening the canopy - how
many "outlaw" points would that garner? Nevermind that if there's
anyone at all unqualified to award "outlaw" points, it most certainly
would have to be you.
>
>
>>Something which you apparently failed to >notice from the get go - all
>>you got was it was a bunch of people >tracking in the same direction
>
>Yup no grips wuz a dead giveaway that it wasn't Texas skydiving ;]
Nevermind that your bitch was about them tracking all in the same
direction - nothing to do with grips or not. Simply - you concluded
it was an rw dive breaking off and tracking all in the same direction
when it was clear, at least to people who are current, that it was not
what you concluded but something entirely else.
>
>>hereby affording you an opportunity to
>
>BITCH is the word youngster and yep Biggyjim wuz a dumbass for putting it up
Right - affording you an opportunity to bitch but that's not saying
much since you just as easily and often bitch about that which you
imagine or hallucinate.
>Lookit the results a coyote came outta the woods and started snapping at no
>account no grip sheep butt----
Heh - and the coyote promptly took a load of rocksalt in its
metaphorical behind. Lot more cartidges where that came from and it's
a single action pump - you gonna hang out for more? G'head
Mistercoyote - these "no grip sheep" got an advantage - methaphorical
opposable thumbs for instance.
>yawl are gonna have to cut the Florida
>underachivers out of the USPA git a grip bitch
No, "yawl" don't have to do a durn thing. I guess it's up to you to
cut these "underachievers" out of USPA. How's that going, btw?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Trust some navy jackass to know about gay. But no one asked you.
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>
>>>>Link to pics from Keys Boogie, weekend before last.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>http://danovision.com/dano/2004keysboogie.htm
>>
>>Real gayboy skydiving if you ask me <snicker>
>
>Trust some navy jackass to know about gay. But no one asked you.
>
>...bsrp
#1 you artta move to Florida long haired boy....seeing you've built a career on
lurking formations----ya artta fit right in with the no grip queens
#2 I'm a wreck commentator, you gotta expect a comment once in a while
GET A GRIP
Oneryfart
Wanna punk them all out huh kid? Not at USPA2000 prices
>Hell, if you're gonna bitch about people
> who think others might be
>better off with a cypres and smugly >suggest that they should buy them
>for them then
Yes this is my view on cypress natzi's,
Perhaps the GM's who require then could sell them at cost to their
regulars...I'm sure quite a few want them, the ones from another era that don't
like Jimbo probably need them for physical reasons like aging hearts & blood
vessels, slowing reflex's etc-etc-etc....take it up with your GM/DZO
sonnyboy....The sport has become pretty well fukked up with spotty cypress
required but hook turning allowed
DZ's....Somebody needs to take up the banner for grass root skydivers----its
like livestock, if you got them its best to take care of them-thats where your
money comes from after all 0~ ;-*
bigjim
MUCH
> SEPERATION IN ONE OF THOSE PICTURES----
Beautiful dingleberry. You go on hiatus, come back and, in a rush to
badmouth things, immediately stick your foot so far down your throat your
big toe is sticking out your ass.
One thing about tracking dives. If you were on one, which you probably
wouldn't be , because usually you have to be invited by the leader; you
would probably be pretty safe. If you didn't manage to "snuff " somebody
out (pun intended) in the first 10 seconds all would probably be cool
because twenty seconds into it you would be a mile away from everyone else.
A half mile behind it and a half mile beneath it.
BTW - Happy Thanksgiving and welcome back.
bigjim
> Cool pics. Is it just me, or would landing off at this DZ present some
> interesting challenges?
Its a temporary DZ only open for this boogie four days a year. The landing
area isn't even a good out. Mostly covered with weathered coral which is
sort of like a pile of old razor blades. You land on it anyway but on your
feet and you are going for sutures.
Oneryfart
>Real gayboy skydiving if you ask me <snicker>
>Trust some navy jackass to know about >gay. But no one asked you.
The Tri-angles were really active in Texas while Lake Anuach was still
open....trying to get up enuff jumps to jump into the gay games over yonder in
New York City back in the late 90's. I watched them closely as I do all strange
species. They were gutsy allright people for a pack of yuppies so comparing
them to you sissy city boys is actually more a insult to them although it seems
to piss you young USPA2000 closet queens off more.
Honoring the fun they bought to the mid 90's south Texas DZ's----I now proclaim
you & biggyjim city sissyboys
to keep confusion down. 0~;)
Jerry K.
>> (Oneryfart) wrote:
>>
>>>>>Link to pics from Keys Boogie, weekend before last.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>http://danovision.com/dano/2004keysboogie.htm
>>>
>>>Real gayboy skydiving if you ask me <snicker>
>>
>>Trust some navy jackass to know about gay. But no one asked you.
>>
>>...bsrp
>
>
>#1 you artta move to Florida long haired boy....seeing you've built a career on
>lurking formations----ya artta fit right in with the no grip queens
#1, if you ever jumped in Florida you'd know that some of the best rw
happens out there. I've only jumped at Lake Wales, ZHills, Deland,
and Sebastian (ZHills being the coolest imo) but everywhere I've had
the pleasure of jumping out there, cool skydivers, cool dives, some
great rw flyers, and some great times. You wouldn't know about that,
stuck as you are in your own little self-centered and self-affirming
world. As for lurking, I say again - you couldn't ever do it and I
think it's pretty clear that aside from some videogeek giving you hell
when you get it wrong and the resultant angle of camerageeking equates
to lurking, I think you got it in for the discipline 'cause it was
those very same geeks who would rush out to shoot your landings,
provide clear, indisputable examples of just where the dive went to
shit (and how always it seemed to center around you), and - here's the
best part - betting a bunch of those geeks were being invited on to
take grips on those bigways while you weren't. I know it chaps but
you gotta look at the big picture - they were just more current and
head's up - it wasn't personal on the organizer's part.
>
>#2 I'm a wreck commentator, you gotta expect a comment once in a while
> GET A GRIP
#2 Sure, commentate all you want and, just the same, you gotta expect
commentary on your commentary. As you dish it, so ye shall take it
and going low ain't no excuse. Just fly dammit but don't be surprised
when you catch shit because you're blaming everything under the sun
except yourself for your flailing.
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
yes my thought process is rather pure
>You go on hiatus, come back and, in a >rush to
>badmouth things
They wanna have a tracking contest, thats one thing..
>immediately stick your foot so far down >your throat your
>big toe is sticking out your ass.
best way I know to stir shit.
>One thing about tracking dives. If you >were on one, which you probably
>wouldn't be
your right, why waste the jump ticket ya git to track on every jump anyway,
taking grips & turning points is more difficult. I enjoyed the agony of that.
>usually you have to be invited by the >leader; you
>would probably be pretty safe.
Fukking A I was a down tracker...wouldn't be nobody else close, not many were
willing to go below two grand then barrel roll to clear your air at high speed
even in my day.
> If you didn't manage to "snuff " >somebody out
They wudda just about had to have been from the load ahead of us walking on the
ground with their thumb up their ass to get hit by me on a track. get a grip
florida boy.
>(pun intended)
I should hope so.
> in the first 10 seconds all would >probably be cool
>because twenty seconds into it you >would be a mile away from everyone >else.
A half mile behind it and a half mile >beneath it.
Now you understand safe tracking....its
all about SEPERATION, if yawl wanna cross country why not do it under canopy?
Gettin in the habit of tracking in the same direction is bad juju since a lotta
airskills are built on motor memory and habits.
>BTW - Happy Thanksgiving and welcome back.
>
Ain't been gone, just lurking...a lotta non skydiving & world politics have
been going on I didn't feel like wasting my time on. I'm a old redneck straight
line southern democrat, everybody can already guess which way I'm gonna lean on
foreign and National issues....Ya never quite know what I'm gonna say about
real skydiving issues though---------edgy ;->
Jerry K.
>>you should be forking over for their tickets.
>
>Wanna punk them all out huh kid? Not at USPA2000 prices
Quit your bitching. Some people do tracking dives and in so doing,
track close to others but if you require they should have more
seperation on their tracking dive, no matter the cost, you should fork
over for their tickets.
>
>>Hell, if you're gonna bitch about people
>
>> who think others might be
>>better off with a cypres and smugly >suggest that they should buy them
>>for them then
>
>Yes this is my view on cypress natzi's,
What a coincidence - this view parallels my view on pretentious,
wannabe, track seperation nazis.
>Perhaps the GM's who require then could sell them at cost to their
>regulars...I'm sure quite a few want them, the ones from another era that don't
>like Jimbo probably need them for physical reasons like aging hearts & blood
>vessels, slowing reflex's etc-etc-etc....take it up with your GM/DZO
>sonnyboy....
And perhaps the skydivers who want to track together probably organize
the dive to where a flock of skydvers are all flying in the same
direction and close together. Take it up with the organizers -
bitching about it on the usenet based upon some ignorant
misunderstanding of what you are seeing in a photograph and what is
actually going on in the photograph does very little except clearly
suggest that you are an ignoramus.
>The sport has become pretty well fukked up with spotty cypress
>required
Some places, here and there, require 'em but I've never had that
requirement thrown at me and I've jumped at between 15-20 different
dz's in this country and over seas. You'd like to think it's fucked
up because this idea makes you feel better about being unable to
participate but the reality is, your take has no basis in reality.
>but hook turning allowed
And some places, here and there, don't allow hookturns as well but in
the half-dozen or so places I've been to where they were discouraged,
it was only in the main landing area, usually limiting the degree of
turn into the hook, and also banning hookturns which were to be
initiated at ot below a certain altitude. You make the blanket
statement that cypreses are required while hookturns are allowed is
faulty, incorrect, has no basis in reality, and is, as it so often is,
your standard brand of uninformed, imagined, and self-affirming
bullshit designed to make you feel better about being unable to
participate.
>DZ's....Somebody needs to take up the banner for grass root skydivers----
Oh,. it's the "Someone needs to..." whine now, is it? If there's one
thing I've learned it's when someone starts whining about how,
"Someone needs to do this or that..." the person saying it is unable
and unwilling to do anything substantial to make such a thing happen,
keeping in mind that whining falls way short of what I would term
substantial. As for "grass roots skydivers" or any other "grass
roots" anything - just a easy little term to describe the disaffected.
"Im grass roots!" (and therfore somehow better or more relevant or
more true than any other group of people with their own shared opinion
towards an issue.) Hogwash. "Grass roots" don't fly. Skydivers are
skydivers whether they're just starting out, been in it for years,
jump their cessna with the dozen or so other regulars at the dz or
even at some big operation with multiple turbines. So, g'head and
take up the banner - what's stopping you? Make something happen.
Effect a change. Stop your bitching.
>its
>like livestock, if you got them its best to take care of them-thats where your
>money comes from after all
Money? Kind of a merchant mentality, doncha think? The truth of the
matter is that people jump where they want, jump how they want, and
with little limitation are free to do in the sport anything they feel
like but the best part is - most people in the sport recognize that
the buck stops with them. You know, personal, individual,
self-responsibility - wait, you don't know about that. Nevermind.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Beautiful dingleberry.
>
>yes my thought process is rather pure
Pure manure.
>
>>You go on hiatus, come back and, in a >rush to
>>badmouth things
>
>They wanna have a tracking contest, thats one thing..
What if the contest is to track, track close, and track in formation?
>
>>immediately stick your foot so far down >your throat your
>>big toe is sticking out your ass.
>
>best way I know to stir shit.
Trust Jinnie to actually lenjoy the spashback when he dumps a load.
>
>>One thing about tracking dives. If you >were on one, which you probably
>>wouldn't be
>
>your right, why waste the jump ticket ya git to track on every jump anyway,
>taking grips & turning points is more difficult. I enjoyed the agony of that.
If you gotta ask, you ain't ever gonna know. Louis Armstrong. So,
what if it is more difficult? All this does is further illustrate how
you are entirely geared towards personal affirmation.
>
>>usually you have to be invited by the >leader; you
>>would probably be pretty safe.
>
>Fukking A I was a down tracker...
And caught hell over it for the obvious problems such antics tended to
cause.
>wouldn't be nobody else close, not many were
>willing to go below two grand then barrel roll to clear your air at high speed
>even in my day.
Just because you did it doesn't make it particularely glorious or
smart - and you still caught hell over it, didn't ya? People
remember.
>
>> If you didn't manage to "snuff " >somebody out
>
>They wudda just about had to have been from the load ahead of us walking on the
>ground with their thumb up their ass to get hit by me on a track. get a grip
>florida boy.
Oh, how utterly cool! Jinnie tracked so low he put the lives of
people on the ground in danger. Oooooo. Nonsense.
>
>>(pun intended)
>
>I should hope so.
>
>> in the first 10 seconds all would >probably be cool
>>because twenty seconds into it you >would be a mile away from everyone >else.
>A half mile behind it and a half mile >beneath it.
>
>Now you understand safe tracking....its
>all about SEPERATION, if yawl wanna cross country why not do it under canopy?
Because doing a cross country under canopy and doing it in freefall
with a bunch of friends are two entirely different past-times, each
with their own attractions.
>Gettin in the habit of tracking in the same direction is bad juju since a lotta
>airskills are built on motor memory and habits.
Uh, do you realize that at the bottom end of the tracking dive the
people involved, as a matter of course, pick headings opposite of the
center of the flock and track away doncha? You do realize that
breakoff on such dives is always, at least on the dozen or so tracking
dives I've been on, pre-planned with assigned vectors? Just the same,
I would say that the habit of tracking vertical and low is bad juju
since a lotta airskills are built on motor memory and habits -
nevermind having to dodge already opened canopies as well as low
altitude issues.
>
>>BTW - Happy Thanksgiving and welcome back.
>>
>
>Ain't been gone, just lurking...a lotta non skydiving & world politics have
>been going on I didn't feel like wasting my time on. I'm a old redneck straight
>line southern democrat, everybody can already guess which way I'm gonna lean on
>foreign and National issues....Ya never quite know what I'm gonna say about
>real skydiving issues though---------edgy
Yep, no one's ever sure what you're gonna say specifically except to
say that it will, in all likelihood, be based on ignorance and will
almost certainly contain some sort of bragging, bravado, bitching, or
denigration tailored to make you feel better about yourself. On that
it can be depended.
...bsrp
...jlk
bigjim
Finally, the dingleberry utters some truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jerry K.
>>keysboogie
>
>>Real gayboy skydiving if you ask me <snicker>
>
>>Trust some navy jackass to know about >gay. But no one asked you.
>
>The Tri-angles were really active in Texas while Lake Anuach was still
>open....
Yeah, and a few of those guys jumped over at Beaumont after Anhuac
closed. So what?
>trying to get up enuff jumps to jump into the gay games over yonder in
>New York City back in the late 90's. I watched them closely
I'll bet you did.
>as I do all strange
>species.
Bet you watched them closest while they were packing, right?
>They were gutsy allright people for a pack of yuppies so comparing
>them to you sissy city boys is actually more a insult to them although it seems
>to piss you young USPA2000 closet queens off more.
Naw, they just skydivers. Tended to jump with each other more often
than not though they would jump with the rest of us sometimes after
they were done training.
>Honoring the fun they bought to the mid 90's south Texas DZ's----I now proclaim
>you & biggyjim city sissyboys
>to keep confusion down.
All fine and dandy - being labelled a sissy by someone with a navy
background easily provides a clear and amusing perspective on the
idea. Keep in mind that it was you who started throwing around terms
like, "Real gayboy skydiving..." We already know you were in the navy
- no ned to trumpet your proclivities but if you must, by all means,
step out of that closet, sweetie!
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>I now proclaim you & biggyjim city sissyboys
>>to keep confusion down.
>All fine and dandy
see what I mean? Only a sissy boy would use prissy language like that "fine &
dandy, You really talk like that boy? <eg>
TooyT
>
>Pure manure.
>They wanna have a tracking contest, thats one thing..
>
>What if the contest is to track, track >close, and track in formation?
that ain't no contest, tracking distance would be a contest or they cudda
simply formed a cat and flew it back, I wuddn't have said shit but nooooo,
they gotta pick easy shit cuz their florida punks @#$&
SkydiverRick
> your right, why waste the jump ticket ya git to track on every jump
> anyway, taking grips & turning points is more difficult. I enjoyed
> the agony of that.
What about the agony of those on your jump?
SkydiverRick
> I wuddn't have said shit
> but nooooo, they gotta pick easy shit cuz their florida punks @#$&
When have you jumped in Florida?
Jerry K.
>>my thought process is rather pure
>>
>>Pure manure.
>
>>They wanna have a tracking contest, thats one thing..
>>
>>What if the contest is to track, track >close, and track in formation?
>
>that ain't no contest,
Who says it has to be a contest? What's wrong with a bunch of friends
going up and flocking across the sky? It's not like they;re doing
sit-suit solos.
>tracking distance would be a contest or they cudda
>simply formed a cat and flew it back, I wuddn't have said shit but nooooo,
>they gotta pick easy shit cuz their florida punks @#$&
Easy - what the fuck do you know? You ever done it? No - you have no
clue. I've been on only a dozen or so and I can say with the mere
authority of (limited) experience that it just doesn't happen all by
itself. In other words, people gotta fly and the ones I've been on
have been fun as shit. No one to hold you stable either - you're
flying front to back. Depending on how aggressive the leader is
flying, it can be really challenging to fly it close and tight. You?
If you ever tried? Dropping low, dropping back, dropping out - flying
a formation of one. Get to the ground and you'd be blaming it on the
exit - clear as day.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Do you mean the agony of being in the vicinity of an out of control,
hurtling meat missle as in, "I hope can take evasive action quick
enough to survive this jackass!" agony or the just as likely,
side-splitting, "I'm laughing my ass off so hard it hurts because I
just know he's gonna blame all that wildass flailing on the spot or
something!" agony?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Oh, so it comes down to language, eh? Well, on that note, only a
pretentious, posing wannbe would *type* in some sort of quaint,
downhome, country accent as a matter of establishing a personna but to
answer your question - I speak Texan in real life as a matter of fact
and you could say I was born to it (heh) but as for how I write, I
write in english, mostly (shaky punctuation notwithstanding.) Some
dialectal bits get thrown in on occasion, here and there. Do I "see
what (you) mean?" Well, I dunno - "see what I mean" sounds kinda
whiny - the kind of thing maybe a teenaged drama queen would be kinda
likely to shriek. Prissy? Sissy? Hell, it ain't me having the
hissy. Tell you what, as long as you pretend to be some sort
countrified, east Texas redneck I'll pretend to use big words but keep
in mind, I'm actually from Texas whereas you? You ain't so lucky.
...bsrp
...jlk
Darren G
He he he. That's what I was thinking. I was also thinking that water
looks like perfect Tiger shark and hammerhead territory. Do they get
great whites there, or is the water too warm? Shark teabags anyone?
Blues
Darren G
Darren G
If it does that to your feet, what does it do to your canopy? And do
TMs slide in? Lol! Do you get many roof and back yard landings?
Seriously, though, it looks like a beautiful spot for jumping, despite
the potential landing problems.
Blues
Darren G
bigjim
> the potential landing problems.
Property is much to valuable there to have a back yard. If you ever had a
yard, you sold it to someone to build a house on. You really don't want to
land off there so you open high, enjoy the awesome view under canopy and
make the dz.
In the afternoons, the landing area moves to the beach. This would be a
lot less challenging except for all the locals hanging out at the beach to
watch the show. Ever swoop through a crowd of drunk wuffos?
Oneryfart
<Skydiv...@hotmail.com> writes:
Kinda like wreck, always giving em something to whine about was my game
plan ;]
Jerry K.
>>>UNSAFE florida SKYDIVERS,
>
>>tracking in the same direction on tracking dives
>
>whats the point, anybody can lurk that no grip shit?
To fly with friends and enjoy the challence, of course - it's
certainly more difficult thans say, looking at a picture of a tracking
dive and understanding that it is a tracking dive and not say, a bunch
of belly flyers tracking off from their formation, all in the same
direction. Essentially, you say anyone can do it but I have no doubt
that you would be the exception to this suggestion - you wouldn't be
able to do it. Dropping out, back, long, and quickly back to familiar
territory - your own little one-way while you realize that it wasn't
your fault - bad spot, crowded on the exit, or some such.
>
>>Wheareas you have a hard time with with not jut gripped dives but any other
>type of dives.
>>
>
>This from a guy who win's medals lurking?
Got news for ya - not all the meets where the team I was on managed to
place was I flying a camera but that said, I know you couldn't fly a
camera for shit, either.
>
>I just wanna know how them south beach fairs score a no grip jump like that?
In your own twisted reality life is nothing but contests but the
reality is, it's nothing but a ride and I'll tell you how it's
"scored." Quite simply, by the smiles on the dive followed by later
accounts on the ground. Suck it up, Jinnie - you got one meet to your
experience and just because you did one meet one time does not
automatically relegate all of skydiving into the subjective realm of
scoring points.
>
>>Who's counting?
>
>I am and I'm watching yawl.
Oh yeah - watching, eh? Take note that the dingleberry saying he's
watching is the same dingleberry who looked at a picture of a tracking
dive and concluded it was an rw dive on breakoff with everyone
tracking (at around 6K) in the same direction. Oh yeah - real
observant misterwatcher.
>even though I hain't posted much----
You been gone? Oh yeah - right - it was kinda relaxxed in here for a
while.
>better square
>away and cut out them florida no grip pussy dives or
Or you'll what?
>I'll be on yawl like stink
>on shit.
Oh yeah - well, go to it. Get on yawl. Harangue away or, better yet,
effect some sort of change, why doncha. Nothing but wind and no
substance. Yo, Jinnie - I give back to the sport.
>
>>Lest we forget those spandex sit-suit >solos...
>
>warn't many sit flyers around then
Got news for ya - even less around now - at least the ones who go the
easy route and get themselves a sitsuit.
>and not but a few belly divers brave enuff
>to exit with a large helecoptering one
Wooo - you could helicopter? Wowwwwww. Even with sit-suit training
wheels! Wowwwwww...remember everyone - Jinnie can ~helicopter~ and
that makes him a nothing short of remarkable skydiver. As a matter of
fact, people at the dz still remark on it from time to time, shaking
their heads in disbelief...and holding the sides with laughter.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>UNSAFE florida SKYDIVERS,
>
>>UNSAFE?
>
>OK no point pussy's
Who says they didn't launch, turn a few points, and then start their
track say around 10? It's just a photograph of one moment of the
skydive and you couldn't even tell what was going on.
>
>>Kind of like a neanderthal
>
>Yup, no points----NO RESPECT
Disrepsect from you is pretty much the epitome acceptability.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>UNSAFE florida SKYDIVERS,
>>fukking south beach fairys
>
>>dont_...@leavemealone.com
>
>>Tracking dive dude - flock together from >altitude and fly.
>
>Now if yawl had formed a catapillar & flew it back to the dz from altitude
>(that wudda meant something>
Who says they didn't?
>
>>, he hasn't been to a DZ in
>>years,
>
>Yup, looks like nothing but no pressure pussyboy jumps are going down AT LEAST
>IN FLORIDA
Nevermind that earlier it looked like nothing but UNSAFE florida
SKYDIVERS all tracking in the same direction after breakoff, eh?
>and btw
>if ya don't like to be bothered why you posting to wreck kid?
Who needs a reason? If you dish it, you're gonna take it - just the
way it is.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>>whats the point, anybody can lurk that >>no grip shit?
>To fly with friends
To fly with underachivers like you ya puss.
>and enjoy the challence, of course
no challange by old standards, I'm actually glad yawl are over charged for
taking up airspace-sissy boys.
>In your own twisted reality life is nothing >but contests
If no one else is saround you compete with self----thats the Texas code
sissyboy.
>I'll tell you how it's
>"scored."
by wuffo's probably.
>ingleberry who looked at a picture of a >tracking dive and concluded it was an
rw >dive on breakoff
Nope I knew it wasn't RW types or they wudda still beenatempting to bipp out
points, had to be pretenders-damn head down sissys.
>>better square
>>away and cut out them florida no grip pussy dives or
>Or you'll what?
keep posting <evil grin>
Jerry K.
>>>UNSAFE florida PUNKDIVERS,
>>>whats the point, anybody can lurk that >>no grip shit?
>
>>To fly with friends
>
>To fly with underachivers like you ya puss.
Naw, that would be more unlikely than not - I've only made a dozen or
so, ever but it is telling how you lump underachievers into an area of
skydiving which you were never capable of achieving yourself.
>
>>and enjoy the challence, of course
>
>no challange by old standards, I'm actually glad yawl are over charged for
>taking up airspace-sissy boys.
These "old standards" you herald are fantasy but on that note, I would
say that there are older standards which castigated rw as being
beneath consideration. You talk of old standards while forgetting
that your short time in the sport was, 1 - not that long ago and, 2 -
the same as the standards of today.
>
>
>>In your own twisted reality life is nothing >but contests
>
>If no one else is saround you compete with self----thats the Texas code
>sissyboy.
Sorry, immigrants aren't qualified to set "Texas code." As for the
idea of competing with one's self, I would say there is that going on
during a tracking dive where the idea is not so much to fly in
competition with everyone else but just to fly with everyone else and
do the best you can - no outside entity affording personal affirmation
here.
>
>>I'll tell you how it's
>>"scored."
>
>by wuffo's probably.
Well, in this instance I would say that's possible given that it was
you who saw the photo and scored it as a bunch of belly flyers
unsafely tracking away from the fromation with no seperation -
nevermind the actual reality and how it (yet again) illustrated your
propensity for being an ignorant jackass.
>
>>ingleberry who looked at a picture of a >tracking dive and concluded it was an
>rw >dive on breakoff
>
>Nope I knew it wasn't RW types or they wudda still beenatempting to bipp out
>points, had to be pretenders-damn head down sissys.
And I quote, "UNSAFE florida SKYDIVERS, THEIR ALL TRACKING IN THE SAME
DIRECTION WITHOUT MUCH SEPERATION IN ONE OF THOSE PICTURES"
If you knew it wasn't rw then why the hissy? The fact is, you didn't.
You jumped the gun and as per standard, you opened your mouth without
thinking or understanding and now you're enjoying that oh, so familiar
taste of your knee.
>
>
>>>better square
>>>away and cut out them florida no grip pussy dives or
>
>>Or you'll what?
>
>keep posting <evil grin>
Of that there was never any doubt but aside from nebulous bitching
about that which you neither understand nor can you control, what can,
what WILL you do? I never knew an evil grin to drool so much slobber.
You got more of a slack-jawed rictus going on, near as I can tell.
...bsrp
...jlk
bigjim
> skydiving which you were never capable of achieving yourself.>
Two days ago the dingleberry didn't even know what a tracking dive is, now
he's "commentating" on where tracking dives fit in the achievement
hierarchy.
Lets see what else he can "stir shit" (i. e. open the floodgates of
ridicule) about.
Jerry K.
wrote:
No doubt we will - he was getting pasted on the whole UNSAFE tracking
bitch and as per standard, he changed the subject to tracking dives
being tantamount to underachieving - where he's getting pasted on that
as well - mostly because he wasn't ever capable of achieving that
which all those other tracking dive "underachievers" were themselves
achieving. So, I'm guessing another subject change is imminent but
two constants will, without a doubt, shine through - he'll get
something entirely wrong while in the process of bragging about
himself, denigrating others, bitching about nothing, and re-affirming
his ineffectual position in life. The other constant is the ridicule,
of course. Like night following day. Is there an emoticon out there
for a furrowed brow, straining hard but failing in its pathetic
attempt to keep up and understand? He could use one of those.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>Biggyjim
hard to tell cuz most of the headown formations I've seen in the trademags.
They don't only not have grips but their spaced out further than that-hell I
thought they were tracking trying to grip since it seems so foreign to
them....I still tink its bad juju to pratice tracking the same way
TooyT
I understand yawl are getting away with shit that was considered unsafe in my
day
Hook turns are even allowed by USPA2000
DZ's and I'll bet at least half of those freaks flying the same way were
intermediate or below licences...throw in that fucked up coaching rule bottom
line its soley about the buck not safety. Might as well get of the S&T Dept at
HQ and cut dues.
OH I FORGOT ITS ABOUT MONEY and nothing else in the 21ST century
*and so goes America*
~THE Euro was worth $1.32 just the other day~ Little National Service dodging
skanks like Jerr.k artta move to Europe and become French faggots, follow the
money mon cher ;-P
Jerry K.
>>attempt to keep up and understand
>
>I understand yawl are getting away with shit that was considered unsafe in my
>day
Sorry Jinnie - tracking in formation was not considered unsafe back in
"your day," or any other day. I understand you were getting away with
(well, not really cause you'd get busted hard for it) for shit that
was considere unsafe in any day.
>Hook turns are even allowed by USPA2000
>DZ's
Ah, the predicted subject change - right on schedule. So, hookturns
are allowed at *some* uspa dz's. So what? Some dzs relegate them to
out of the main landing area while others have a greater than degree
of turn prohibition while others might have an at or below a certain
altitude prohibition. If you come out to a dz you might get
reacquainted with how dz's deal with jackasses.
>and I'll bet at least half of those freaks flying the same way were
>intermediate or below licences...
So, where do you get that? The custom colored Javelins? I'd say
most, if not all of them were probably D licensed if only because,
providing they were freeflyers, it's a lead pipe sinch they had to
make a shitload of jumps just to get competent at freeflying.
>throw in that fucked up coaching rule bottom
>line
And *another* subject change. Back, we are to the old coaching bitch
and whine. Not that the coaching isse has anything to do with a bunch
of skydvers on a tracking dive, not that the coaching issue has
anything to do with people on a tracking dive being "underachievers"
because they choose to be on a tracking dive, not that the coaching
issue has anything to do with you seeing a picture of a bunch of
skydivers on a tracking dive and knee-jerk blurting that they're
UNSAFE as you misinterprete what you are seeing and gargle your foot
past your tonsils, up to the knee - well, maybe you could use some
coaching on what different skydiving disciplines look like, there is
that.
>its soley about the buck not safety.
So, tell me how a bunch of skydivers up around 6k, tracking as one,
all in the same direction is unsafe and after you're done with that,
tell me how such an endeavor is driven by the "bottom line." Tie in
S&T and the DZO while you're at it.
>Might as well get of the S&T Dept at
>HQ and cut dues.
>OH I FORGOT ITS ABOUT MONEY and nothing else in the 21ST century
Quit your bitching you big girl. You need to consider getting out to
a dz and teaching these UNSAFE skydivers the errors of their ways.
You need to keep on top of the S&T to make sure they keep better
control over the jumpers. You need to lean on the DZO so they'll put
more time and effort into stopping such UNSAFE occurances. You need
to lobby the bod to make some more rules that will halt all this
UNSAFE behavior. You need to be on the bod so you can enact your
plans to eliminate UNSAFEness at dz's everywhere. G'head mister
"willing to go below two grand then barrel roll to clear your air at
high speed" SAFETY guy. Surely someone with all that experience in
blundering yourself into distinctly UNSAFE situations could make
something happen and banish all UNSAFE things.
>
> *and so goes America*
That's right - skydivers freefly choosing to track together across the
sky for the price of a lift-ticket and you're free to do something
about it to make it less UNSAFE for everyone. No one's stopping you.
Feel free.
>~THE Euro was worth $1.32 just the other day~ Little National Service dodging
>skanks like Jerr.k
Gee, I bothering someone yet? Hey Jinnie - I give back to the sport.
>artta move to Europe and become French faggots, follow the
>money mon cher ;-P
Naw, it don't work that way - I mean, you moved to Texas but moving
here doesn't make you a Texan and if you moved to France you wouldn't
be French but given your navy background, you'd be right there in the
faggot department.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>it is telling how you lump underachievers into an area of
>>> skydiving which you were never capable of achieving yourself.>
>
>>Two days ago the dingleberry didn't even know what a tracking dive is, now
>>he's "commentating" on where tracking dives fit in the achievement
>>hierarchy.
>>
>>Lets see what else he can "stir shit" (i. e. open the floodgates of
>>ridicule) about.
>>Biggyjim
>
>hard to tell cuz most of the headown formations I've seen in the trademags.
>They don't only not have grips but their spaced out further than that-
Nevermind that the people in the photographs you've been gargling
about are on their bellies. Well, you say on the head down formations
they're not taking frips. Check this shit out dumbass:
http://www.skydivechicago.com/gallery/The-Record
(nice pics, btw)
>hell I
>thought they were tracking trying to grip since it seems so foreign to
>them....
Let me get this straight - you see a picture of a bunch of skydvers
all tracking in the same direction. You are now concluding that all
these skydivers on their bellies were really freeflyers who were
breaking off from their rw formation and tracking UNSAFELY in the same
direction. Further, you get from this that they were trying to grip
since flying rw seemed so foreign to them. Keep on digging, Jinnie.
It's getting funnier and funnier by the moment but the humor has yet
to eclipse the pathetic.
> still tink its bad juju to pratice tracking the same way
And I say again - on tracking dives I've been on (and I haven't been
on a bunch, only around a dozen), at the bottom end of the dive - not
at 6K where the photo pertaining to your hissy fit appears to have
been shot - the divers all vector off into rehearsed, defined and
assigned and certainly different directions and track away from each
other. I dunno, Jinnie - when people do rw and try to fly close and
turn points, it's kinda bad practice when they need to be thinking
about getting away from each other. I mean, flying close and turning
points has a body position distinctly foreign to a tracking position
and to spend the dive flying close is no way to prepare for flying
away from each other, ya think?
...bsrp
...jlk
Joe Walther
"Jerry K." <sky...@pdq.net> wrote in message
news:hgrfq0p6j1l3o80ff...@4ax.com...
Walther responds...
Ok! Ok! Up until this last paragraph all that you said seemed to be
logically ordered and legitimately rendered. You crossed the line, however,
with the navy background/faggot accusation. Do you or do you not have any
proof of his navy background? :-)
Walther
Jerry K.
Well, you got me there, Judge - certainly no *eyewitness" proof and to
be honest, the Navy homo thing is just your standard dig designed to
yank the chain of bell-bottom wearing sailors with a tradition of
sleeping, bathing, and interacting together in close quarters, often
in isolated and lonely circumstances. It also goes back to royal navy
traditions what with "frigging in the rigging," captains and their
cabin-boys, as well as present day accounts of young sailors spending
romantic evenings on their instructors bunks. Now, back to the proof
- I've seen some official documentation which describes Jinnie, the
navy, and ties the two together and with the regular subject changes,
sometimes back to navy anecdotes on Jinnie's part - I pretty much had
already bought into Jinnie once being in the navy. Taking his
propensity to talk about the navy and couple that with his shrill (but
pitiful) excuses for arguments, you don't even have to consider his
attraction to the subject of homosexuality to make the connection that
he was indeed, once in the navy, sexual and closet orientation,
notwithstanding.
So, no real, rock-solid, indisputable proof that he has a navy
background so as for Jinnie being a navy faggot, I retract navy.
Apologies.
...bsrp
...jlk
Tom B
"Joe Walther" <jlwal...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Upadne3KwP1...@comcast.com...
Joe, you will probably owe me a keyboard for that one, but just maybe it
will dry out. I will let you know.
I keep reading Hustler and Penthouse and still have not found your column.
:)
Happy holidays all.
Tom B
TooyT
>are allowed at *some* uspa dz's. So >what?
Its all related.....I see it as poor leadership
and double standards> I'd say
>most, if not all of them were probably D licensed if only because,
>providing they were freeflyers, it's a lead >pipe sinch they had to make a
shitload of >jumps just to get competent at freeflying.
No different from RW, it took at least 200
or more to become consistant, the only way to speed it up a little was to be
constantly jumping above your head. I'm sure the Novice & intermediates still
try to skeem in on loads above their ability level,
you know talking bullshit to get in <g>
>>throw in that fucked up coaching rule bottom, not everybodys gonna have money
for that shit plus they could draw a C who's still learning te bscs theirself a
coach....
Bullshit has always been around but nowthe GM driven BOD seem to have made it
the rule.
>And *another* subject change.
its all related, kinda like a conspiricy
ya gitta look at the whole picture-like putting a puzzle together. You you
trader bitch are part of the problem cuz yer taking mone from the sport, don't
expect you to like to have someone conecting the dots.
> Not that the coaching isse has anything >to do with a bunch of skydvers on a
>tracking dive
could be a coach getting them together to drum up buisness....all we saw were
the trackers in frame. The ones that werent invited or just plane fell out are
prime canadates to sell some coaching-most are young and in a hurry so pressure
canbe applied easy like----> "Head games",
your tking to a Master at that shit little girlyboy <eg>
>because they choose to be on a tracking >dive
Skydiving is like the Grammer shool playground, no one wants to be left out.
Only outlaw types don't care and those types are fewer and fewer in modern
America, most skydivers are sheep.
>because they choose to be on a tracking >dive, not that the coaching
>issue has anything to do with you seeing >a picture of a bunch of
>skydivers on a tracking dive and >knee-jerk blurting that they're
>UNSAFE
they are, tracking skills were important in RW, ya need to work on them but ot
everybody in he same direction athe same time Like I said, quite a few of thos
florida pukes were probably intermediate orr below....still developing habits,
rpetition &. motor memory are important
at that stage, childpycoogy is telling me
some of them aregonna think Gee we got away with that & let thei guard down in
real formations saying "ah hell I'll get away with off axis tracking just this
one time...nobody got hurt on that tracking dive"
>you misinterprete what you are seeing
No I have questions about the modern USPA and their cavalier attitude on safety
issues...Seems freakflying has loosened some important things up. Ya got punks
leading now----hell you got punks running dz's, look at all the stupid shit
Cedartown & all its other SDA varations it
pulled in the name of gaining profit.
to more and more of them its soley about the buck & not safety.
>So, tell me how a bunch of skydivers up >around 6k, tracking as one,
>all in the same direction is unsafe
I just did, it will come back to bite someone at a later date. OH I FORGOT
"you got a fall down case of AAD, being
young and on the mney take like you are!"
>Tie in S&T and the DZO while you're at it.
Sure the BOD habeen supplementing and driving the GM system for years no, now
the GM/DZO's are driving the BOD not the dues paying grass root members, the
USPA has been taken away from the average skydiver by the GM's-----the same
money changers buying your ass off boy!
Unfortunately you've been bought off plus your ego's in the way so your blind
to it idiot 0~;)P
TooyT
>money mon cher ;-P
>f you moved to France you wouldn't
>be French but given your navy >background, you'd be right there in the
>faggot department.
Your already efete Jerry, its only a short step to French for you laddy girl
;-*
>Walther responds...
>
>Ok! Ok! Up until this last paragraph all that you said seemed to be
>logically ordered and legitimately rendered. You crossed the line, however,
>with the navy background/faggot accusation. Do you or do you not have any
>proof of his navy background? :-)
>
>Walther
>
>
All we got proof of is acouple of one hitch boots taking my era of the Navy out
of context---Jim didn't go to bootcamp till after I got out after hitchs And
by the time chuck went in in the mid 60's the USMC had dropped Marine bootcamp
from 13 to 8 weeks, so being under trained & totally unprepared he got his ass
kicked at the Tet 68 barn dance and has never recovered.
And you were neither a sea going or any other kind of line Officer so you never
going to put 2 & 2 together or get a clue to who I was, what my duties were or
understand what I talk about in my sea storys about the old Navy. Having been
protected by salty assed old petty officers like me and rarelly out of officers
country or off shore duty all you can bluster is "impossible, sailors didn't
act like that!" smootchie
bootchie Judge Judy 0~;-*
TooyT
>Ok! Ok! Up until this last paragraph all >that you said seemed to be
>background/faggot accusation. Do you or >do you not have any
>proof of his navy background? :-)
>Well, you got me there, Judge - certainly >no *eyewitness" proof and to
>be honest, the Navy homo thing is just >your standard dig designed to
>yank the chain of bell-bottom wearing >sailors
I came straight out of NTC San Diego and went to the Gator Navy, spent my first
3 year hitch in the Navy at sea carrying Marines (Going in at 17 back then was
considered a Kiddy Cruise so yo weren't saddled with a regular 4 year hitch,
they just put you in the Reserves and sent you home after 2 or 3 years,
unfortunately somehow thet tricked me into shipping over for 6 years for
something----it may have been to get out of the Amphibs and away from the
Marines----wellthe trick was on me I never did manage to get away from the
Marines, they were everywhere I went-still giving me a ration of shit, so I
learned how to work the ship overs & extentions figgering I'd go brown water
combat advisor and get away from the USMC------>WRONG, most of the schools
they begin sending me to had a mix of USN & USMC cadre, except the Army
schools that is. Then I get sent to I Corps RVN in 69 as a CoVan and damn the
area was full of Marines so I artta know a faggot when I see one!
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHA damn this is better than doing sea storys, two straight girls
just asking for it! 0~;->
TooyT
>about Biggyjim
>>
>hard to tell cuz most of the headown >formations I've seen in the trademags.
>They don't only not have grips but their >spaced out further than that-
>Nevermind that the people in the photographs you've been gargling
>about are on their bellies. Well, you say >on the head down formations
>they're not taking frips.
uh looks like they kin't even do it on their bellys sooo they gotta make up no
grip formation like "tracking" <sneer>
TooyT
>them....
> Check this shit out dumbass:
>
>http://www.skydivechicago.com/gallery/The-Record
every one of them pictures has at least 3 or 4 out, of all the shots less than
50% are of formations having grips...now for my killer question....did they
transition in any of them? I'm not impressed ya no grip lurking peckerwood!
;)blea
Jerry K.
>>Ah, the predicted subject change - right >on schedule. So, hookturns
>>are allowed at *some* uspa dz's. So >what?
>
>Its all related.....I see it as poor leadership
>and double standards
Could it be considered that encouraging safety, preparation, and
training might be more constructive than say, outright banning?
>> I'd say
>>most, if not all of them were probably D licensed if only because,
>>providing they were freeflyers, it's a lead >pipe sinch they had to make a
>shitload of >jumps just to get competent at freeflying.
>
>No different from RW, it took at least 200
>or more to become consistant,
No, it took at least 200 to have the number of jumps to qualify for a
D license and, even then, having 200 jumps did not automatically
afford everyone with those jumps the ability to be consistant. Most,
if not all skydivers can consistantly fly on their belly by the time
the complete their pre-license training prgrams but it ain't like that
in freefly. Flying head-down, consistantly headdown is tougher to
learn, takes more practice, more jumps, and a helluva lot more
discipline and dedication than simply launching, arching, and
gripping.
>the only way to speed it up a little was to be
>constantly jumping above your head. I'm sure the Novice & intermediates still
>try to skeem in on loads above their ability level,
>you know talking bullshit to get in <g>
Maybe that was how you went about things but most people, as they are
coming up, ask or get asked and most people make mistakes, learn from
it, and get better for it.
>
>throw in that fucked up coaching rule bottom, not everybodys gonna have money
>for that shit plus they could draw a C who's still learning te bscs theirself a
>coach....
Just because a person has a C does not mean that they cannot coach,
fly, give in air instruction, and debrief. Sorry, Jinnie - just
because you managed to squeak out a D does not mean that everyone who
doesn't have a D automatically is without ability and skill. As a
matter of fact, you're proof that just because someone has a D does
not mean that they actually have ability and skill.
>Bullshit has always been around but nowthe GM driven BOD seem to have made it
>the rule.
I would say, keeping in mind your earlier rant about UNSAFE, that a
program which takes novice skydvers and helps them to polish their
abilities, awareness, and skills is a rooted in SAFETY.
>
>>And *another* subject change.
>
>its all related, kinda like a conspiricy
>ya gitta look at the whole picture-like putting a puzzle together.
If you're a conspiracy theorist, pehaps. So, by observing a picture
of a bunch of skydivers on a tracking dive, this is an example of the
GM driven BOD flooding the sport with bullshit? Let me adjust the
collander...why it's so clear!!!
>You you
>trader bitch are part of the problem cuz yer taking mone from the sport, don't
>expect you to like to have someone conecting the dots.
Oh, I dunno about that. Actually, I love having self-centered
jackasses like you connect the dots because it makes bitch-slapping
their pretentious, little assertions all the more easy - not to
mention providing a healthy dose of the absurd which this kind of
performance art thrives upon.
>
>> Not that the coaching isse has anything >to do with a bunch of skydvers on a
>>tracking dive
>
>could be a coach getting them together to drum up buisness....
Yeah, and there could be monkeys flying out of your ass. So, tell me
- looking at the picture of the skydivers on their tracking dive, see
a coach in there, anywhere. Take a gander at maybe one of the rw
pictures where there's a formation - might there be a coach in there,
too?
>all we saw were
>the trackers in frame. The ones that werent invited or just plane fell out are
>prime canadates to sell some coaching
Well, back we go the one of those pics of people in an rw formation.
How many people do you suppose aren't in that picture, out of frame,
not invited, perhaps at that very moment going up to manifest and
inquiring about coaching availabilities?
>-most are young and in a hurry so pressure
>canbe applied easy like----> "Head games",
>your tking to a Master at that shit little girlyboy <eg>
So, how do you know that most or even some "are young and in a hurry?"
I mean, it's just a photograph of some people on a tracking dive - a
still image shot from above. And how about those rw pics? Do you
suppose that most of them might be "young and in a hurry?" Perhaps
being pressured also as soon as they land or do you think that the
pressurers have their hands full working on the tracking divers first?
As for head games and the mastering of such, maybe in your own little
world. I mean, you got internal headgames going on so much you're
seeing all sorts of things just from a simple picture of some
skydivers on a tracking dive. Conspiracy theories and the decline of
Western Civilization as We Know It - just because some skydivers flew
a flock and didn't spend the dive turning points. What do you think
the S&A people were thinking? Probably committing ritual seppeku in
anticpation of the coming ragnarock, eh?
>
>>because they choose to be on a tracking >dive
>
>Skydiving is like the Grammer shool playground,
No, skydiving is skydiving and only people at home or mentally geared
to operate solely in a grammar school playground would see it as such.
>no one wants to be left out.
Yeah, but taking that image of the skydivers on their tracking dive,
who says anyone of them were? How about the rw formations? Think
there were people left out of those dives, too? How about dives you
were on? People left out (lucky that they were)? And as for the
dives you weren't on - oh yeah, all it took was one jump where you
weren't left out to flip it to the alternative.
>Only outlaw types don't care and those types are fewer and fewer in modern
>America, most skydivers are sheep.
Not that you were ever one of these "outlaw types." What you were was
a knowitall jackass with affirmation issues, learning disabilities,
physical limitations, and a remarkable propensity for promising more
than you could deliver. People remember. No, most skydivers are not
sheep - most skydivers are simply that, skydivers - people who find
enjoyment in throwing themselves out of airplanes and parachuting
safely to the earth with their friends and with skydivers perhaps
they've never met who will, if there not jackass dingleberries, be
their friends after.
>
>
>
>>because they choose to be on a tracking >dive, not that the coaching
>>issue has anything to do with you seeing >a picture of a bunch of
>>skydivers on a tracking dive and >knee-jerk blurting that they're
>>UNSAFE
>
>they are,
No, they're not.
>tracking skills were important in RW,
And they still are but I got news for ya - they're important in
freefly as well. Ever think of that?
>ya need to work on them but ot
>everybody in he same direction athe same time
Why not - I mean, it's not like they were doing their mutual,
unidirectional track at breakoff or anything like that.
>Like I said, quite a few of thos
>florida pukes were probably intermediate orr below....
So you'd like to imagine but that's just it, if you can imagine them
being intermediate or with less experience than that, I can certainly
imagine, and with a lot more practical experience and knowledge than
you, that they were *probably* D-licensed with more jumps than you
ever made. Here's how - accepting for the sake of the argument that
they were frefflyers as you contend, nevermind them on their bellies,
some in what appear to be fullface helmets *and booties*, then as
freeflyers they would *probably* have at a minimum, more jumps than
you ever made - and you managed to bullshit yourself a D-license, once
upon a time. Now, rejecting the freeflyer assignation because they
*are* on their bellies and a few of them are wearing full-face helmets
and booties, by your argument that rw takes more training and
discipline than freeflying, would it not be possible that these rw
flyers are *probably* D licensed and then some?
>still developing habits,
>rpetition &. motor memory are important
>at that stage,
Oh, so you're saying that because a group of skydivers choose to track
together and in the same direction that on later jumps when it's time
for them to breakoff and track their vector, that some of them might,
because of their tracking dive experience, just naturally start to
track close to another person tracking? What are you - a dumbass? Oh
yeah, I can see it now..."It's 3.5 and Im tracking off! Here we go!
Turn...track...building speed and driving...Hey! I think I'll see if
I can track in close formation...seems natural
enough...closer...closer! I've said it before and I'll say it again
with thanks to Slim Pickens and Stanley Kuberick, "I've been to a
World's Fair and a rodeo and that's the stupidist think I've ever
heard (come out of a radio).
>childpycoogy is telling me
>some of them aregonna think Gee we got away with that & let thei guard down in
>real formations saying "ah hell I'll get away with off axis tracking just this
>one time...nobody got hurt on that tracking dive"
Is that kinda like tracking vertically and sucking it down below 2k,
turning on your back at speed, and dumping? Here's the deal since you
obviously have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. They
track from altitude and there is a leader on his back setting the pace
and direction. At a certain, pre-agreed altitude the formation breaks
off and *then* the skydivers on the tracking dive track away on
pre-planned, and pre-assigned vectors. So, you see, it appears that
these hapless and UNSAFE tracking dive particpants are getting their
tracking on axis practice, afterall and besides, as long as there's no
one on their back to distract the people tracking from a "real
formation" they oughta be okay, right? I mean - I could see a
circumstance where you might track close to someone because you didn't
know any better or think things through and then when you got busted
for it, blame the episode on your previous tracking dive experience -
that wouldn't be too far-fetched given your past record but reality
here? No one is going to develope a habit of tracking close to
someone on breakoff because they did it previously on a tracking dive.
>
>>you misinterprete what you are seeing
>
>No I have questions about the modern USPA and their cavalier attitude on safety
>issues...
Well, on that note, you ever wonder about people flying close together
and turning points from exit to breakoff, only to track away from each
other and open? I mean, doesn't all that flying close do anything
*but* teach people that important muscle memory of knowing how to
track? Do you suppose that all those skydivers turning points the
whole dive, when they get to breakoff, are so used to turning points
that they keep on turning points since they've so obviously erased any
track muscle memory they ever had, if they ever had any, by spending
the previous ten or so thousand feet turniong points? The modern USPA
and their cavalier attitude allows this! So tell me, why is this not
a question of yours? Wait! Wait! I know!!! It's because your
jackass. Duh!
>Seems freakflying has loosened some important things up.
Oh, it *seems*, eh? I got news for ya - freeflying, by its very
nature, is more disciplined, and certainly more tight than any rw -
simply because it happens a lot faster and is more difficult to master
even just the bare rudiments. You ever freefly? Spend a dive on your
head, transitioning cleanly and with control onto your rear and back
with forward and lateral motion and with control? Stupid question -
of course you haven't. You never made the jumps, put in the time, or
even opened your mind to the idea. Case in point - you look at a
picture of people on their belly and on a tracking dive and what do
you conclude? (not your first conclusion that they were rw flyers
tracking away on breakoff, all in the same direction and UNSAFE in
their closeness.) Your second conclusion which, even though there
were people in full-face helmets and booties, that they were all
freeflyers (on their bellies, no less) and they looked like they were
tracking and actually trying to take a grip because it "looked so
foreign to them." No, you don't know shit about freeflying and you
never did and as for things "loosening up," some examples, Jinnie?
Tell us how freeflying was back in the "old days." And then you can
tell us how freeflying was later druing that short time when you were
actually jumping.
>Ya got punks
>leading now----
How do you know this? You're out of the sport. I suppose there's a
little "punk" subsection in whatever skydiving magzines you might look
at which identifies the leading punks?
>hell you got punks running dz's,
So you'd like to imagine but you don't go to dz's, much less have
contact with people running dz's and you haven't for years. Maybe it
was the punks running dz's in the "old days" and maybe even later than
that during the short period of time you were jumping?
> look at all the stupid shit
>Cedartown & all its other SDA varations it
>pulled in the name of gaining profit.
What about it? I mean, please tie in for us the grand conspiracy
which ties a picture of a bunch of skydivers on a tracking dive in the
Keys with whatever stupid shit you're referencing having to do with
Cedartown and SDA.
>to more and more of them its soley about the buck & not safety.
If they're freeflyers on the tracking dive then they are, by their
experience alone, potentially more safe than you ever were or
certainly ever proved and if they were rw flyers, given that rw by
your own take, requires more experience and discipline than
freeflying, then they must also be safe. As for the buck, it was a
boogie (though tracking dives happen at dz's, too) and as near as I
can tell, the only bucks changing hands are no more and no less than
the bucks which changed hands which afforded those rw dives. As for
the safety, they weren't all tracking in the same direction at or
below breakoff, nor have I ever heard of any close tracking at or
below breakoff being tied to previous trackingf dive experience - and
I got my ear to the skydiving rail a helluiva lot closer than you and
with far greater regularity than you've ever managed. Simply, you're
wrong. This is nothing more than a vehicle for you to backpedal
yourself out of your hilarious (but not unexpected) misinterpretation
of a tracking dive photo as a bunch of rw flyers all tracking close
and in the same direction which morphed into the subject change hissy
fit being that they're all inexperienced freeflyers who need to learn
to track not near and in different direction from other skydivers.
Tough tittie, Jinnie - you're an idiot and you prove it all the time.
>
>>So, tell me how a bunch of skydivers up >around 6k, tracking as one,
>>all in the same direction is unsafe
>
>I just did, it will come back to bite someone at a later date.
So you'd like to imagine - maybe so you hope but I got news for ya -
no it won't because at the bottom end of the tracking dive the
skydivers all track in opposite directions and furthermore, never have
I heard of someone accidentally or by design tracking close to someone
during the trackoff at the bottom end of the dive because they were
inurred to the experience by previous tracking dives.
>OH I FORGOT
>"you got a fall down case of AAD, being
>young and on the mney take like you are!"
Not that I've ever been paid to shoot a tracking dive, btw but that's
a pretty lameass counter you got there - I'm "young and on the money"
so all those instances previous where I take your really stupid,
ignorant, and self-centered take on things and dissolve them all in
the light of reality is somehow rendered beside the point? No,
reality is reality, Jinnie and "it will come back to bite someone at a
later date" is no argument (monkeys might just as likely fly from your
ass). Btw, in case you didn't notice, all those people appearing to
be UNSAFELY tracking? It's a tracking dive, dude and hundreds, if not
thousands of skydivers have participated in probably thousands of
dives just like that, across the world and they've been occurring for
years. Tell us why is it that we haven't had a report somewhere,
sometime of some skydiver being "bit" while tracking away from a "real
formation" because of some previous tracking dive experience?
>
>>Tie in S&T and the DZO while you're at it.
>
>Sure the BOD habeen supplementing and driving the GM system for years no, now
>the GM/DZO's are driving the BOD not the dues paying grass root members, the
>USPA has been taken away from the average skydiver by the GM's-----the same
>money changers buying your ass off boy!
Oh, I see - you still haven't tied in how the BOD or GM's are
responsible for all these UNSAFE tracking dives. As for me, no, I'm
just a guy who's gone up and done a few tracking dives and had a good
time at it and ya know? Not once have I been tracking away from a
"real formation" and suddently found myself, or even thought to myself
to try to make it happen, flying close with another tracker. Guess
it's gonna bite me one of these days, eh?
>Unfortunately you've been bought off plus your ego's in the way so your blind
>to it idiot
Oh yeah - bought off by the tracking dive cabal. The jigs up on the
conspiracy - you've figured it out! Nothing more than a money driven
plan between the BOD, the GM's and the DZO's to make skydiving more
UNSAFE and therefore (somehow), make more money in the much more
financially condusive UNSAFE environment. As for ego - not my ego
trying to back-pedal away from, upon looking at a photo of a tracking
dive, what was construed as a bunch of skydivers on breakoff and all
tracking in the same direction. Foot getting wrinkled in there,
Jinnie? Ya know, not sure if there's medicine available over the
counter for what is shaping up to be a bad case of Athlete's Mouth.
You might need a script for that. Check with your pharmacist when you
pick up your weekly gross of prozac, why doncha?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
So, I guess Jinnie *is* a navy faggot afterall, eh Judge?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>artta move to Europe and become >French faggots, follow the
>>money mon cher ;-P
>
>>f you moved to France you wouldn't
>>be French but given your navy >background, you'd be right there in the
>>faggot department.
>
>Your already efete Jerry, its only a short step to French for you laddy girl
Hell, you live closer to France than I do and ya know - I don't have
to step anywhere to be a Texan. You?
>;-*
>
>>Walther responds...
>>
>>Ok! Ok! Up until this last paragraph all that you said seemed to be
>>logically ordered and legitimately rendered. You crossed the line, however,
>>with the navy background/faggot accusation. Do you or do you not have any
>>proof of his navy background? :-)
>>
>>Walther
>>
>>
>
>All we got proof of is acouple of one hitch boots taking my era of the Navy out
>of context---Jim didn't go to bootcamp till after I got out after hitchs And
>by the time chuck went in in the mid 60's the USMC had dropped Marine bootcamp
>from 13 to 8 weeks, so being under trained & totally unprepared he got his ass
>kicked at the Tet 68 barn dance and has never recovered.
>And you were neither a sea going or any other kind of line Officer so you never
>going to put 2 & 2 together or get a clue to who I was, what my duties were or
>understand what I talk about in my sea storys about the old Navy. Having been
>protected by salty assed old petty officers like me and rarelly out of officers
>country or off shore duty all you can bluster is "impossible, sailors didn't
>act like that!" smootchie
>bootchie Judge Judy
Well, I found the night on the instructor's bunk account
surprising...but not too surprising, given the author and his naval
orientation.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Naw, by the looks of the formation it seems to me they turned a bunch
of points down to six or seven and then got bored with such an
exercise in simple skydiving and turned it into a tracking dive.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>hell I thought they were tracking trying to >grip since it seems so foreign to
>>them....
>
>> Check this shit out dumbass:
>>
>>http://www.skydivechicago.com/gallery/The-Record
>
>every one of them pictures has at least 3 or 4 out,
No, dumbass - it was a pre-planned, pre-designed formation - you
apparently don't have a clue about record requirements, do you? As
for the people "out." What you are seeing are people out because they
are 1) not in - yet, and 2) Skydivers assigned camera slots to
document the dive. How about the guy who shot the pictures - he was
out. Duh!
>of all the shots less than
>50% are of formations having grips...
That's because The formation has to *build*. As for your "50%"
figure, take another look - I counted 19 out of 25 shots where there
were grips, most of them of the record itself but some of the exit
with the base (which also has grips) and the remainder being ground
shots. Just another classic example of you seeing only what you want
to see. Those blinders fit good, do they?
>now for my killer question....did they
>transition in any of them?
No, it was for a record sized freefly formation, not a record size
sequential but, jut the same, when you say that freeflyers don't take
grips, photgraphic proof that you are, as ever, one stupid bastard.
Now for the killer answer - you think there might be evidence out
there of freeflyers turning more points in larger formations than you
ever flew? What are the odds, you think?
>I'm not impressed ya no grip lurking peckerwood!
>;)blea
What? Of course you're not - I knew you wouldn't be but I didn't post
the link to impress (though I'm impressed with the dive - I couldn't
do it - could you?) but only to lay low your contention that
freeflyers don't take grips. Foot taste good, Jinnie? How does it
taste with that healthy dollop of crow?
Did you notice that those freeflyers were flying a formation larger
than you ever had ever on your belly? How about sequential Jinnie?
Want me do rustle up some proof of freeflyers in a formation larger
than you ever flew turning more points than you ever did? Think I
can?
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>No different from RW, it took at least 200
>or more to begin to understand & become >consistant enough to begin to fly
your >slot right
>No, it took at least 200 to have the >number of jumps to qualify for a
>D license
yep and along about then you started improving enough to be consistant although
a few young lightweights and
guys like me who worked hard at it
could nail it down by around 175 jumps.
its mostly about ~airtime, airtime~
but even so some people didn't have it by 4 or 500 jumps and anybody could
brain lock
wth any amount of jumps, thats why I always considered it a mental more than
physical sport.
>Most, if not all skydivers can consistantly >fly on >their belly by the time
>the complete their pre-license training >prgrams
yup, it becomes reflex quick but being able to stay stable and oerating in the
turbulance of a tight formation, gripping then breaking to transition to the
next point are two different things, not to mention the skill levels in the
bigger formations were spread---you had to be good enough to compensate for
other peoples bad flying
and not get pulled out of your slot into the funnel, Like I said its never just
one thing
that was the agony and joy of it.
> it ain't like that in freefly. Flying >head-down, consistantly headdown is
>tougher to learn, takes more practice, >more jumps,
Must be why theres fewer pictures of the
freak flyers actually having grips...most look like their just hamming it
up...On the less than 25% of the freak formations with grips well I dunno,
don't see video. For all I know they accidently git one good grip and hang on
till breakoff making it a one point dive, hell we could do that right off
student status if we went off the step holding a Meeker...I'm thinking their a
lot lot we were
as Nvices in the old days. HEY I got close
& SAW YOU 2 OR 3 TIMES AFTER THE EXIT FUNNELED, is that four points?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA 0~;->
TooyT
pick a subject I'm a Master but about the freaks, hard to tell cuz most of the
>headown formations I've seen in the >trademags.They don't only not have grips
but their spaced out further than the old RW formations
>Nevermind that the people in the >photographs you've been gargling
>about are on their bellies
>uh looks like they kin't even do it on their >bellys sooo they gotta make up
>no grip formation like "tracking" <sneer>
>Naw, by the looks of the formation it >seems to me they turned a bunch
>of points down to six or seven and then >got bored with such an exercise in
simple >skydiving and turned it into a tracking >dive.
Well without access to video I have to assume if they turned one point head
down under RW rules on what a point is, it had to be an abnomalty plus not
having experiance at taking grips they were forced to turn the belly down
portion at the bottom into a no point dive----yup a bunch of young fakers imho.
Look who's trying to defend this style of low achievment shit diving
~a known lurker~ <smerk>
TooyT
>Check this shit out dumbass:
>>>
>http://www.skydivechicago.com/gallery/The-Record
>every one of the first 25 or so pictures has at least 3 or 4 out,
>
>No, dumbass - it was a pre-planned, >pre-designed formation
They perplan funnels now?
> you
>apparently don't have a clue about record >requirements,
Apparently been lowered like the rest of USPA2000 standards if no more than one
point is involved.
> As
>for the people "out." What you are seeing are people out because they
>are 1) not in - yet, and 2) Skydivers assigned camera slots to
>document the dive
#1 they were to far out to make it in by break off at those speeds.
#2 Freakflying takes more than one video geek huh? I could only id the low man
flying on his back as a geek in one picture.
Oh well creating more lurkers in what seems to have become a lurking sport is
just another GM/DZO ploy I rukun.
>Duh!
>
no shit, DUH
> less than
>50% are of formations havE grips...
>That's because The formation has to >*build*. As for your "50%"
>figure, take another look
ok 25% THEN ~grin~
>Those blinders fit good, do they?
no but their still a lot of fun to use, it riles up the sheepgods!--->now for
my killer question....did they transition in any of the formations?
>
>No, it was for a record sized freefly >formation, not a record size
>sequential
good thing because they seem to be weak on taking grips hahahaha buncha shit
flyers!
> but, jut the same, when you say that >freeflyers don't take
>grips
Yeah their not big on that important point it appears to me.
>photgraphic proof that you are, as ever, >one stupid bastard.
All them Cameramen to film one chickenshit little formation? How many jumps did
they make to get one picture of grips? and from 4 or 5 cameras and angles it
appears to me- these are stills, what proof is ther they held the grip the
required 3 to 5 sec? Fakery, hope the awards people wasn't fooled by a few set
up and doctored later shots. I on the other hand am willing to award yawl a
Lurkers award
<smerk>
TooyT
>about Biggyjim
>
fits right in, apparently he's just another no grip flailer using head down as
an excuse for keping his distance from the formations............NEXT QUESTION?
Jerry K.
>>hell I thought they were tracking trying to >grip since it seems so foreign to
>them. >from the pictures I've seen over the years
>
>>Check this shit out dumbass:
>>>>
>>http://www.skydivechicago.com/gallery/The-Record
>
>>every one of the first 25 or so pictures has at least 3 or 4 out,
>>
>
>>No, dumbass - it was a pre-planned, >pre-designed formation
>
>They perplan funnels now?
Just like they pre-plan record rw dives or, for that matter, just like
they pre-plan virtually every other sort of skydive.
>
>> you
>>apparently don't have a clue about record >requirements,
>
>Apparently been lowered like the rest of USPA2000 standards if no more than one
>point is involved.
No, back during that short time you skydived, not so long ago, there
were rw record bigway dives as well as rw record sequential dives. As
for multiple points, you wanna guess if there's proof out there of
freeflyers building a larger formation and turning it for more points
than any rw formation you were ever a part of? Or would the answer
just be another bitch-slap of reality?
>
>> As
>>for the people "out." What you are seeing are people out because they
>>are 1) not in - yet, and 2) Skydivers assigned camera slots to
>>document the dive
>
>#1 they were to far out to make it in by break off at those speeds.
Nevermind that the photos are all looking up or across and you don't
even know what altitude they exited - grasping at straws, Jinnie and
you still can't deny that your earlier assertion that frefflyers don't
take grips is just an example of you opening your mouth and not
knowing what you were talking about. As for too far out, the ones
that are out in those pictures as the formation is building *did* make
it in as the completed pictures of the formation clearly illustrate.
Grasping at straws - how fast were they falling, Jinnie?
>
>#2 Freakflying takes more than one video geek huh?
Yo, dummy - ever see any shots of rw record dives? Usually multiple
camerageeks on those ones, too. Camerageeks can screw up or equipment
can fail and for hard won, something never done before, new territory
record attempts, multiple and redundant views are standard -plus, say
the attempt fails, multiple views are also more likely to afford the
skydivers an idea on how things can be made better for the next
attempt. As for multiple cameras in regular freeflying, if you knew
anything about freeflying you would know the answer to your question.
>I could only id the low man
>flying on his back as a geek in one picture.
I've seen the video, cut together from all the camera angles on the
dive and those people who are out on that that symetrical, even, and
completed formation - they were camera geeks. Just the same, how
'bout your earlier contention that freeflyers didn't take grips, hmm?
>Oh well creating more lurkers in what seems to have become a lurking sport is
>just another GM/DZO ploy I rukun.
Do you suppose I could go find pictures shot from multiple angles by
multiple camera geeks of rw formations from say, the mid 90's? How
'bout it, Jinnie? What do you think I'd find?
>
>>Duh!
>>
>
>no shit, DUH
I'm glad you agree and echo my sentiment that you are indeed, one
stupid bastard.
>
>> less than
>>50% are of formations havE grips...
>
>>That's because The formation has to >*build*. As for your "50%"
>>figure, take another look
>
>ok 25% THEN ~grin~
Try 100% of the in-air shots there is undeniable proof that, counter
to your assertion that freeflyers don't take grips, freeflyers *do*
take grips. Suck it up Jinnie - you stepped in it...again.
>
>>Those blinders fit good, do they?
>
>no but their still a lot of fun to use, it riles up the sheepgods!--->now for
>my killer question....did they transition in any of the formations?
I think they were made for you, as long as you've been wearing them.
As for riling up anyone, no - unless you consider derisive laughter as
being tantamount to be being riled up. As for transitioning, no, it
was preplanned as a record sized formation but how much do you wanna
bet that there does exist proof of freeflyers flying multiple points?
Feet not brown enough, yet? Wanna step in it some more?
>>
>
>>No, it was for a record sized freefly >formation, not a record size
>>sequential
>
>good thing because they seem to be weak on taking grips hahahaha buncha shit
>flyers!
Oh, so now they're *weak* on taking grips instead of *not* taking
grips. Nevermind that this *gripped* formation is larger than any you
ever took grips on. Who's weak on taking grips?
>
>> but, jut the same, when you say that >freeflyers don't take
>>grips
>
>Yeah their not big on that important point it appears to me.
Nevermind the proof staring you in the face. Face it, Jinnie, you can
lie to yourself all you want if it makes you feel better about
yourself and about your circumstances but when all is said and done,
you're still denying clearly presented reality and if your grasp of
things is so weak that you feel better about accepting yourself as a
liar as opposed to someone who just got something wrong, then you are
simply a pathetic wannabe and you certainly weren't, past-proof
notwithstanding, ever skydiver material.
>
>>photgraphic proof that you are, as ever, >one stupid bastard.
>
>All them Cameramen to film one chickenshit little formation?
A chickenshit little formation larger than any you were ever on and it
was a gripped formation which clearly denies your assertion that
freeflyers don't take grips.
>How many jumps did
>they make to get one picture of grips?
Nevermind that all the pictures, except for the ground shots, are of
freeflyers taking grips. As for the number of jumps it took to
achieve this record, I don't know but if they did it in one or a
hundred, it still denies your assertion that freeflyers don't take
grips.
>and from 4 or 5 cameras and angles it
>appears to me- these are stills,
Tell me how there can be "one picture of grips" from "4 or 5 cameras
and angles" unless they were all shot at the very same instant -
nevermind your suggestion that all those cameraguys weren't cameraguys
but just freelfyers out of the formation, nevermind that the website
where the pics are posted is a website belonging to a single
camerageek and all the photos were shot by him?
>what proof is ther they held the grip the
>required 3 to 5 sec?
Video which gets reviewed by the people who assign the records. But,
just the same, even though you're grasping at these straws now, the
argument isn't whether they got the record or not but simply if
freefyers took grips and clearly, they do and clearly, you're brown to
the waist.
>Fakery, hope the awards people wasn't fooled by a few set
>up and doctored later shots.
Oh, so you don't like the proof so it's a fake, eh? So, do you think
all those photos of freeflyers taking grips are fake?
>I on the other hand am willing to award yawl a
>Lurkers award
And to you I award the Consistant Flailer award. You flailed in
skydiving, you flail on the skydiving newsgroup. I know you'll like
the award's color - it only comes in brown.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Its all related.
>
>>No different from RW, it took at least 200
>>or more to begin to understand & become >consistant enough to begin to fly
>your >slot right
>
>>No, it took at least 200 to have the >number of jumps to qualify for a
>>D license
>
>yep and along about then you started improving enough to be consistant although
>a few young lightweights and
>guys like me who worked hard at it
>could nail it down by around 175 jumps.
Is this an example of someone thinking he was better than he actually
was? I do think it is. People remember.
> its mostly about ~airtime, airtime~
>but even so some people didn't have it by 4 or 500 jumps and anybody could
>brain lock
>wth any amount of jumps, thats why I always considered it a mental more than
>physical sport.
Which clearly explains your short tenure in the sport.
>
>>Most, if not all skydivers can consistantly >fly on >their belly by the time
>>the complete their pre-license training >prgrams
>
>yup, it becomes reflex quick but being able to stay stable and oerating in the
>turbulance of a tight formation, gripping then breaking to transition to the
>next point are two different things, not to mention the skill levels in the
>bigger formations were spread---you had to be good enough to compensate for
>other peoples bad flying
>and not get pulled out of your slot into the funnel, Like I said its never just
>one thing
>that was the agony and joy of it.
And it really chaps you that there are skydivers out there freeflying,
taking grips in a greater turbulance and in an environment which
requires much more discipline and control than any belly-fly
formation. Not to mention the skill levels in the bigger freefly
formations are spread and you have to be good enough to compensate for
other peoples bad flying and not get pulled out of your slot into a
cork.
>
>> it ain't like that in freefly. Flying >head-down, consistantly headdown is
>>tougher to learn, takes more practice, >more jumps,
>
>Must be why theres fewer pictures of the
>freak flyers actually having grips...
Also because it's relatively new but, more than anything, it just
takes more time to get even halfway competent at it. As for fewer
pictures of freeflyers taking grips, what, you're admitting now that
freeflyers take grips?
>most look like their just hamming it
>up...
Naw, freeflyers just look like skydivers flying vertical. if you
understand the physics, *or even tried it*, you'd know it's harder
than it looks.
>On the less than 25% of the freak formations with grips well I dunno,
>don't see video.
But you do see the pictures where freeflyers are clearly taking grips.
>For all I know they accidently git one good grip and hang on
>till breakoff making it a one point dive,
That would apply in rw where hanging on and depending on the rest to
keep you in isn't unheard of but in freefly, getting a grip and just
holding on doesn't cut it - the flying has to be done front to back by
everyone, otherwise one person corking out tends to drag others. For
all you know...right - good one.
>hell we could do that right off
>student status if we went off the step holding a Meeker...I'm thinking their a
>lot lot we were
>as Nvices in the old days.
No, because you see, freeflyers are generally well above the novice
stage by the time they've learned to freefly in any sort of consistant
manner.
>HEY I got close
>& SAW YOU 2 OR 3 TIMES AFTER THE EXIT FUNNELED, is that four points?
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you produce your D license during the debrief?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Lets see what else he can "stir shit"
>
>pick a subject I'm a Master but about the freaks,
No you're not - you regularely prove just how much of a master you
most certainly are not.
>hard to tell cuz most of the
>>headown formations I've seen in the >trademags.They don't only not have grips
>but their spaced out further than the old RW formations
What about the rest of the freefly pictures in the magazines where
freeflyers are talking grips? Do they not exist or just not worth
remembering?
>
>>Nevermind that the people in the >photographs you've been gargling
>>about are on their bellies
>
>>uh looks like they kin't even do it on their >bellys sooo they gotta make up
>>no grip formation like "tracking" <sneer>
Just like the crew and S&A skydivers, eh? What's that you're saying?
Every picture out there of someone not taking a grip clearly is
showing that these skydivers can't take grips and what they are doing
they "made up" because of their inability? I got a picture somewhere
from Rabe's site where it's you on what *appears* to be a solo and
I'll email it to anyone who wants it. Could this be proof that you
"can't do *it* on (your) belly?" Why, it may well could be.
>
>>Naw, by the looks of the formation it >seems to me they turned a bunch
>>of points down to six or seven and then >got bored with such an exercise in
>simple >skydiving and turned it into a tracking >dive.
>
>Well without access to video I have to assume if they turned one point head
>down under RW rules on what a point is, it had to be an abnomalty plus not
>having experiance at taking grips they were forced to turn the belly down
>portion at the bottom into a no point dive----
Nevermind some of the other photos on that page showing people in
built rw formations. Do you suppose that some of these people
photographed on that tracking dive might also have been photographed
on one of those rw dives?
>yup a bunch of young fakers imho.
An opinion based upon a photograph and the standard dingleberry
misinterpretation - care to inteprete that photograph I have of you
clearly faking it because of no ability to take grips and forced to
turn the dive into something no point? It's all clear in the photo I
got.
>Look who's trying to defend this style of low achievment shit diving
> ~a known lurker~ <smerk>
No, I'm not defending anything - reality doesn't require it - it
stands on its own. All I'm doing is bitch-slapping you with it and
watching you sink deeper and deeper into that deep brown pool of your
own creation. Those straws you're fumbling for sure ain't helping
matters.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: Real Skydiving Stuff
>>From: to...@aol.com (TooyT)
>>Date: 11/27/04 12:41 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <20041127004140...@mb-m20.aol.com>
>
>>-Jim didn't go to bootcamp till after I got out after hitchs And
>>by the time chuck went in in the mid 60's the USMC had dropped Marine
>>bootcamp
>>from 13 to 8 weeks, so being under trained & totally unprepared he got his
>>ass
>>kicked at the Tet 68 barn dance
>
>That must have been th e "special" Snuffy Marine Corps Boot Camp 8 week course.
>Ours was 13 weeks in length.........then to the School of Infantry, Infantry
>Training Regiment.........MOS training, stuff like that. Good clean fun, and we
>didn't have to sit on the Gunny's rack and drink beer with him:)
I thought he was sitting a bit lower on the gunny than his rack.
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>>>headown formations I've seen in the >trademags.They don't only not have
>grips but their spaced out further than the >old RW formations
>What about the rest of the freefly >pictures in the magazines where
>freeflyers are talking grips? Do they not >exist or just not worth
>remembering?
No you just see more of the other ones, makes taking grips look like a special
event, if your all in camera frame and hamming it up it counts, hell I could
pull that off in a funnel myself just off student status, about getting within
reach and gripping?....Yeah I'm sure they do that once in a while like you know
when they can find 2 or more Flyboz on the same dz & sober at the same time,
hahaha damn that was funny eh?
>Nevermind that the people in the >photographs you've been gargling
>about are on their bellies
>yuh looks like they kin't even do it on >their bellys sooo they gotta make up
>a no grip formationabove six or seven grand like "tracking" <snerk>
>Just like the crew and S&A skydivers, >eh? What's that you're saying?
Nothing like them, S&A is a solo thing
even though they might have a cameraman along, their doing solo type skydiving
the lurkers there just to record it for pratice purposes, hell they judge the
event from the ground now----no geek trailing along
and no docking ever and crew? Well they dock so thats OK because its do or die
type competition like RW, Its easy to understand if you been out there hacking
at it yourself, but this new freak shit? Looks like geeking the camera is the
most important item with them....kinda like a raft dive, assume a stupid
position and ham the camera---See I happened to go to the Accuracy and S&A
Nationals the first year they allowed CRW to compete durning the
A/ S&A Nationals up at SDD in what, 93 or 94? So I'm educated on those
disiplines as they were praticed in the 90's ;)P
Jerry K.
>>hard to tell cuz most of the
>>>>headown formations I've seen in the >trademags.They don't only not have
>>grips but their spaced out further than the >old RW formations
>
>>What about the rest of the freefly >pictures in the magazines where
>>freeflyers are talking grips? Do they not >exist or just not worth
>>remembering?
>
>No you just see more of the other ones,
So you acknowledge the existance of the others ones. What's that
you're saying now? Freeflyers *do* take grips? Well, whadya know!
>makes taking grips look like a special
>event,
Hell, you're the one getting all hot and bothered about a bunch of
skydvers on a tracking dive *not* taking grips - as if taking grips is
a special event, right?
>if your all in camera frame and hamming it up it counts,
Seems to me that a grip is a grip. Freeflyer, rw, whatever. But
then, there is this picture I have somwhere of you doing what
*appears* to be a solo. You're in camera frame but I don't see any
grips. Looks pretty mediocre to me.
>hell I could
>pull that off in a funnel myself just off student status,
It's easier said than done. Sure, you could exit with your belly not
into the relative wind - pretty much what happened whenever you tried
to exit rw, but exitting off, gripped, with others, head or tail into
the relative wind and hold it stable? No way. You never had the
discipline or the dedication, let alone the skill, ability, and jumps.
People remember.
>about getting within
>reach and gripping?....
Sure, as in your previous assertion that they didn't ever.
>Yeah I'm sure they do that once in a while like you know
>when they can find 2 or more Flyboz on the same dz & sober at the same time,
So, not ever taking grips has now changed to "once in a while," eh?
>hahaha damn that was funny eh?
You got that right - just one ignorant and self-centered assertion on
your part and with a little reality, proof, and ridicule - presto -
freeflyers not ever taking grips becomes "I'm sure they do that once
in a while"
>
>>Nevermind that the people in the >photographs you've been gargling
>>about are on their bellies
>
>>yuh looks like they kin't even do it on >their bellys sooo they gotta make up
>>a no grip formationabove six or seven grand like "tracking" <snerk>
>
>>Just like the crew and S&A skydivers, >eh? What's that you're saying?
>
>Nothing like them, S&A is a solo thing
>even though they might have a cameraman along, their doing solo type skydiving
>the lurkers there just to record it for pratice purposes, hell they judge the
>event from the ground now----no geek trailing along
>and no docking ever
So, how is it when you have a bunch of skydivers on their belly but
not *appearing* to have grips that they are automatically cast as
freeflyers who never take grips? Like, this photo of you in what
appears to be a solo - just a picture of a no-grip, mediocre skydiver
by all appearances. As for S&A - solo or not, they're not turning
points with others, are they? Why aren't they immediately cast as
freeflying slackers who took the easy way out because they don't know
how to take grips?
>and crew? Well they dock so thats OK because its do or die
>type competition like RW,
But they're not in freefall and nor are they turning and burning at
the bottom end of their dive. They're not doing freefall relative
work so, by your own assignations, are they not little better and
actually, little different from freeflyers who, like all freeflyers,
never take a grip?
>Its easy to understand if you been out there hacking
>at it yourself, but this new freak shit?
Relatively new but it was going on, just not in the numbers it is now,
not so long aqo back when you were jumping and even before that.
>Looks like geeking the camera is the
>most important item with them....
Oh, it does, eh? Is that because the only freeflying you've ever seen
was freeflying recorded with...whadya call it...a camera?
>Kinda like a raft dive, assume a stupid
>position and ham the camera---
Got news for ya - raft dives are infinitely more easy, require less
discipline, skill, dedication, and ability than freeflying. Raft dive
are more like rw, what with the belly aspects of it and the widest
part of the raft being presented to the relative wind.
>See I happened to go to the Accuracy and S&A
>Nationals the first year they allowed CRW to compete durning the
>A/ S&A Nationals up at SDD in what, 93 or 94?
And along with that meet, how many meets have you been to? Uh...one?
>So I'm educated on those
>disiplines as they were praticed in the 90's
Yeah but your education somehow hasn't explained the inconsistancy of
a bunch of skydivers on a tracking dive, some in fullfaces and
booties, being immediately relegated to being understood as freeflyers
because in that photo they're not actually at that moment taking a
grip whereas there's this shot of you doing a solo, S&A people doing
their thing, and any one of a number of different skydiving
disciplines where turning points from exit to breakoff is not the
standard and yet, how are all these other people also not freeflyers
by your reckoning?
Yeah, I'm sure they tried to educate you but what with your learning
disability (as in inability), nothing usefull stuck so you've had to
make it up as you've gone along - with predictable results,
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>>by the time chuck went in in the mid 60's the USMC had dropped Marine
and that type got their ass's kicked in general and were horrified by the Tet
68 barn dance
>
>That must have been th e "special" Snuffy Marine Corps Boot Camp 8 week
>course. Ours was 13 weeks in length.........
navy boot canmp was 11 weeks long when I went through.Chuck...man I heard if
about being a 11 week pussy from the Marine boots across the fence from us over
on hell island enough times...When I was salty years later and the USMC started
rushing them through in 8 weeks to meet Asian war needs. I saw it as a gift
from the Commandant and couldn't wait for the first 8 week Marine boots to show
up in the Field, hooboy it still gives me a woody
to think about it.
>then to the School of Infantry, Infantry
>Training Regiment.........MOS training, stuff like that. Good clean fun, and
>we didn't have to sit on the Gunny's rack >and drink beer with him:)
>
>
Oh well Gunnys didn't appreciate sailors like Chiefs did and I didn't do any of
that NEC type or anything considered advanced field training till way way
later....maybe 6 or 7 years after bootcamp but it continued up to the year
before I got out, Don't need that stuff to chip, paint and swab decks or
messcook either but man the Corps really tried to break it off in me when they
finally got their hands on my squared away Navy butt---somehow the Marine cadre
could tell I had bothered their beloved Corps in the past and they really
hammered me hard
tsk tsk tsk, no need to be mean about shit-Were both NCO's is what I told the
Gunny....hell I was the same tank as his staff sgt's at the time...
"OH HELL NO, THOSE STUPID NAVY CHEVRONS DON'T MEAN SHIT AROUND HERE MOP
JOCKEY....YOUR GONNA PAY FOR EVERY CRIME THE USN HAS COMMITED AGAINST THE USMC
and me personally over the last 22 years you Bell Bottomed Maggot!"
what?
I SAID MAGGOT, NOW DROP, GIVE ME 25 THEN GET YOUR NASTY ASS OFF MY DECK AND
LAY BACK DOWN IN THE DRAINAGE DITCH WHERE YOU FELL ON THE COMBAT LOAD RUN
ASSHOLE
~and so life with the marines went~ ;]
Oneryfart
>>>by the time chuck went in in the mid 60's the USMC had dropped Marine
>That must have been th e "special" Snuffy Marine Corps Boot Camp 8 week
>course. Ours was 13 weeks in length.
You must be pre 65/66 then Chuck..
> we didn't have to sit on the Gunny's rack >and drink beer with him:)
>
Neithe did I the Gunny hated me with a passion. I couldn't seem to do a damn
thing right, we would draw various Marine weapons and run with them 3 miles to
the range for familarization firing and who do you think he made hump the 1919
Browning doubletime along with the Ammo box?.His kicking boy thats who.
I think I might owe the cranky old Mfer
a thanks for being so mean. That may have saved my life later down the road but
God did he hate Navy Petty Officers, the old boy like to have killed me tsk tsk
tsk.
>I thought he was sitting a bit lower on the >gunny than his rack.
>
Nope I tried to stay away from the Gunny
but he hid behind shit and ambushed me.
First day I reported inthey put me in theNCO's room at he head of the quanset
hut, next morning th duty Corporal came in before daylgh and started slinging
shit cans and screaming about 0400. Well hell me and this other Bosuns Mate who
came inthat night just snatched him up and stuffed him in a trashcan head
first. The Gunny was not pleased. Since I was senior man present I hadda pay
the biggest part of the crime woo boythe Gunny stayed on my innocent ass all
the way thru the course, it was a 4 month course but he only had us 3 of those
months, he stayed behind when we left for A.P. Hill but I could tell he had
calledahead and told on me cuz the MasterGunny up there had a special hard on
for me and the other Bosuns Mates.
We got extra beatings for minor infractions and when apprehened between check
points on the compass runs through the boonies or fucked up a patrol durning
war games----I left Hill with some cracked ribs 2 black eyes and a split
lip...Wasn't my usual pretty self in my blues at the Graduation ceremony down
at Camp Bradford. The full Navy Captain shaking our hands and handing out
diploma's didn't bat an eye when he looked into my face.
A Navy medical officer who taped up my ribs did remark----Talking while you
were walking point & ran into a tree did you? "No Sir I fell down a revine!"
"Yeah Yeah right, I hear them all , your main problem is your a sailor in a
world ruled by Marines
right? then he pulled tighter on the tape, I just grunted that time ~and so it
went~
YES SIR YOU ARE CORRECT ;->
JimBo
>From: oner...@aol.com (Oneryfart)
>Date: 11/27/2004 6:44 PM Pacific
>the MasterGunny up there had a special hard on
>for me
I am starting to see a definite pattern developing.
Ya sat on your CCs bunk and drank beer with him and a Marine Master Gunny had a
special hardon for you ?
I can now see why you stayed in the Navy for so long...but..dont ask...dont
tell. :o)
Jim D-10154
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
Oneryfart
>D license
>yep and along about then you started improving enough to be consistant
>although a few young lightweights and
>guys like me who worked hard at it
>could nail it down by around 175
>Is this an example of someone thinking >he was better than he actually
>was? I do think it is. People remember.
yeah because that pretty well descibes the USPA trail of tears, the people
remembering are probably the honest ones
and think were talking about them....it seems to take forever
but between 175 and 2 to 225 things start clicking. Nobodys a true Natural
because its a third demention, you have to have the personality for it, endure
and work hard
to turn the corner. Thse that say they never flailed or struggled are either
trying to forget or lieing, everybody has to travel the trail of tears & work
out the wuffo kinks-nobodys a true natural unless they were hatched rather
than born. ;)P
Oneryfart
>That's because The formation has to >*build*
Well from the speed of those body angles, although a formation will often slow
as it builds....Id say the people out at his point
Ain't getting in with a grip before break off I'm not impressed ya no grip
lurking peckerwoods!
>What? Of course you're not - I knew you >wouldn't be
Why are you bothering me about it then?
> I didn't post
>the link to impress (though I'm impressed >with the dive
Probably because your a artsy fartsy video geek and you like to pester old men
is why
you put it up....I've delt with the female side of skydivers before boy, I can
read you like a open book
>How does it
>taste with that healthy dollop of crow?
Dunno, you ain't impressed me yet sommyboy
>Did you notice that those freeflyers were >flying a formation larger
>than you ever had ever on your belly?
What, that was over a 20-way? Hard to tell with old eyes----looked like a damn
mass funnel to me.
>Want me do rustle up some proof of freeflyers in a formation larger
>than you ever flew turning more points than you ever did? Think I
>can?
I'd be interested in seeing a 36 way nothing bigger cuz I'm anti any bigger way
a wreck poster died on one of those damn SDC 300 ways and some points being
turned---go for it
Oneryfart
foreign
>to them.from the pictures I've seen over >the years
>>Check this shit out dumbass:
>>>>
>>http://www.skydivechicago.com/gallery/The-Record
>
>every one of the first 25 or so pictures has at least 3 or more out,
>
>>No, dumbass - it was a pre-planned, >pre-designed formation
>
>They perplan funnels now?
>
> you
>apparently don't have a clue about record >requirements,
>
Hell I used to think my original SIMS
off FJC had BSR's with the R wrote out as Recommendations & not Requiements.
I think you USPA2000 types are slipping shit in when I'm not looking fukking
brats
;-P
Jerry K.
>>>of all the shots less than
>>>25% are of formations having grips...
>
>>That's because The formation has to >*build*
>
>Well from the speed of those body angles,
The speed of those body angles...right. In relation to what?
>although a formation will often slow
>as it builds....Id say the people out at his point
>Ain't getting in with a grip before break off
Point out a frame of reference, How fast are they falling? What
altitude are they at? Take another look at the numerous pictures of
the fully completed formation. Note that the web page isn't showing
pictures of a record attempt but a record - pre-planned, engineered,
and completed. In other words, when you say that the people at that
point ain't getting in, well, they did. But that's all beside the
point because the point is - it's freeflyers taking grips and is
indisputable proof that lays low your assertion that freeflyers do not
take grips - and you can deny this truth all you want but it doesn't
change the reality.
>I'm not impressed ya no grip
>lurking peckerwoods!
Who cares if you're impressed or not. Impress upon yourself that you
asserted that freeflyers don't take grips. Now, consider the pictures
of freeflyers taking grips and come to terms with the contradiction.
>
>>What? Of course you're not - I knew you >wouldn't be
>
>Why are you bothering me about it then?
Because dancing monkeys are amusing to watch. Gee, I bothering
someone yet? Quite simply, when you say that freeflyers don't take
grips you have demonstrated in yet another area of skydiving how
little you really know. DANCE MONKEY!!!
>
>> I didn't post
>>the link to impress (though I'm impressed >with the dive
>
>Probably because your a artsy fartsy video geek and you like to pester old men
>is why
No, because I can freefly solo or with one other person okay but I
don't have the skill or the experience to positively contribute to a
dive such as that and I recognize and respect all the work and skill
that when into completing such a skydive. As for pestering old men,
only the rare, self-centered jackass ones, too wrapped up in theirself
to understand the spectacle they make of themselves when they pretend
to be knwoing in something in which they are not. Such people are
phonies and age is no excuse.
>you put it up....I've delt with the female side of skydivers before boy, I can
>read you like a open book
>
Yep, I did put it up as proof that freeflyers can and do take grips
and when you say they do not and they can't, that you are most
assuredly and completely incorrect in your assertion - and that you
are a jackass for pretending to know that which you do not.
>>How does it
>>taste with that healthy dollop of crow?
>
>Dunno, you ain't impressed me yet sommyboy
No, don't lie to me. You got crow between your teeth and on your
breath plus there's a little athlete's foot mixed in there. Why is
this? Quite simply, your statement that freeflyers don't take grips
and the undeniable proof to the contrary.
>
>>Did you notice that those freeflyers were >flying a formation larger
>>than you ever had ever on your belly?
>
>What, that was over a 20-way? Hard to tell with old eyes----looked like a damn
>mass funnel to me.
More than twice the size of a 20way. Heh - the biggest you been on
was only a 20way? Slacker.
>
>>Want me do rustle up some proof of freeflyers in a formation larger
>>than you ever flew turning more points than you ever did? Think I
>>can?
>
>I'd be interested in seeing a 36 way nothing bigger cuz I'm anti any bigger way
> a wreck poster died on one of those damn SDC 300 ways and some points being
>turned---go for it
Sequential too. What the fuck! Freeflyers taking grips and turning
points!? That never happens!
Yumyum, foot and crow! Eat up, Jinnie!
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
pretty sad looking formation, funneled bad did it?
>No, dumbass - it was a pre-planned, >pre-designed formation
>They preplan funnels now?
>
>you apparently don't have a clue about >record requirements,
>
If you ain't blocking it, calling the formation and turning as many points as
you can on anything up to and bigger than a 20/36 or bigger way, you ain't got
a record as far as I'm concerned----how long did those actually in hold the
grip? GIVE ME DETAILS YOUNG BITCH,----------->Just a still of a sloppy looking
formation and some USPA2000 talk it up don't cut it with me tHE FORMATION
APPEARED TO HAVE PEOPLE OUT----that queers the attempt by my rules boy.
You got 20 up, 20 need to be in
40 up 40 need to be in
100 up 100 need to be in.
Whatever was put up needs to be in
shit novices used to put 10 or 12 up all the time trying to come up with a 8
way and come up with 3 or 4 one point 2 ways.
It just ain't gonna cut it unless I see everybody in one formal formation. I
had a sheep ask me one day while I was howling at a just off student status 10
way durning a post dive, "Hell old man we had three 2 ways and one 4 way going
on
ain't that a 10 way?" He thought docking then funneling---going to the low man
and docking again meant 2 points not 1....
MY ASS, Yawl did't have a 10 way!
What about our points?
For the guys that redocked with the same person 1 point, forthe ones flitting
around from 2 way to 2 way no point asshole!
Why didn't you bring the 4 way down to us?
Not my job, you need to come back up to the base if you fall out or blow past.
Going to the low man seems easier.
It is, thats why you shouldn't do it
hug a beach ball and come back up!
Why?
Becaue its the right way is why. a 10 way was planned, the base stayed together
yaw eiter fell out or didn't get in and went low then started doing your own
thing.
PLAN THE DIVE AND DIVE THE PLAN
did we get anything?
Yeah a skydve, ain't it wonderfull? 0~;->
`~that what them freaks are doing down in Florida long haired boy? 0~;->
Jerry K.
>>No, it took at least 200 to have the >number of jumps to qualify for a
>>D license
>
>>yep and along about then you started improving enough to be consistant
>>although a few young lightweights and
>>guys like me who worked hard at it
>>could nail it down by around 175
>
>>Is this an example of someone thinking >he was better than he actually
>>was? I do think it is. People remember.
>
>yeah because that pretty well descibes the USPA trail of tears,
Oh, stop trying to be dramatic you dumb poser.
>the people
>remembering are probably the honest ones
>and think were talking about them....
Oh, when they say things like, "Snuffie? Never could fly worth a fuck
and had problems with his landings...," (a real quote, btw) Well -
I've known these guys for a long time and take them at their word when
they go on about something like that.
>it seems to take forever
>but between 175 and 2 to 225 things start clicking.
For some, not for others, some earlier, some later, some never but
there's always a few who, when they get their D, think they're hell on
wheels. Most of them soon get a clue and continue to learn while
others, the rare few, manage to get their ass kicked out of the sport.
>Nobodys a true Natural
>because its a third demention,
No, you're wrong - I've met some naturals. They're rare but they do
occur. This is not to say that they were virtuosos just off student
status but a dozen or three down the line - I've seen it - for some
people it does click faster.
>you have to have the personality for it, endure
>and work hard
>to turn the corner.
Kinda like freefly except in freelfy most, if not all have to work
harder and endure longer than they would going rw for them to turn
that corner.
>Thse that say they never flailed or struggled are either
>trying to forget or lieing,
As long as I've been skydiving - not long but certainly longer than
you - I have yet to meet anyone with the pretense that they never
flailed or struggled in some fashion or another. I think you have
this idea that there are people like that out there because such an
idea makes skydiving less appealing and that makes you feel better
about not being able to particpate. That or there actually were
people like that during the even shorter period when you were jumping
before I was jumping and if this was so, then perhaps the vaunted
"outlaw" 90's of yore which you try to identify yourself with wasn't
so grand and so be all to end all, afterall.
>everybody has to travel the trail of tears & work
>out the wuffo kinks-nobodys a true natural unless they were hatched rather
>than born.
Right - and when it comes to freefly, this <cue violins> trail of
tears and work out the whuffo kinks takes longer, requires more work,
and certainly more dedication and discipline that it does compared to
rw.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Naw, you're just oblivious.
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>The speed of those body angles...right. >In relation to what?
In relation to the USPA's freefall rates table in the back of my old log book
>Point out a frame of reference, How fast are they falling?
above118 mph thats for sure but hell my normal arched freefall at 268 pounds
was above 130 so those stick men although skinny could be going over 150 or 160
mph
because their head down, hooked up like that I doubt its much faster than 160
mph.
Ask one of them, if their true Florida fancy lads at least one or more are
gonna have them new fangled jump recording dytters stuck in those fancy faced
helments. Your the one trying to convince me its good enough to be a record,
you tell me and I'll devide by a factor of 1.5 and get to the truth---to sloppy
looking to be a record to my eye unless its a record funnel hahaha
Oneryfart
>money mon cher ;-P
>f you moved to France you wouldn't
>be French but given your navy >background, you'd be right there in the
>faggot department.
>Your already efete kid, I'm to set in my ways & butch to cut it passing as a
French faggot, I'm afraid its up to you kid
;->
>Hell, you live closer to France than I do >and ya know - I don't have
>to step anywhere to be a Texan. You?
Depends on wheather you believe that Lousiana purchase story I told back when
Lost Prarrie Mt. came up for sale
last year <g>
>Ok! Ok! Up until this last paragraph all >that you said seemed to be
>logically ordered
One of us might need mental therapy Joe...did you believe the Lousiana purchase
cut through Polk County Texas
on this side of Ramond's spread then looped up to include The LP Montana
DZ? I need to know before giving a name to the VA shrinks on just who's coming
in for eval heh heh heh
Jerry K.
>>Well from the speed of those body angles,
>
>>The speed of those body angles...right. >In relation to what?
>
>In relation to the USPA's freefall rates table in the back of my old log book
Yeah? Which altitude did you reference to determine how much freefall
time they had remaining in relation to those body angles?
>
>>Point out a frame of reference, How fast are they falling?
>
>above118 mph thats for sure but hell my normal arched freefall at 268 pounds
>was above 130 so those stick men although skinny could be going over 150 or 160
>mph
>because their head down, hooked up like that I doubt its much faster than 160
>mph.
But, frame of reference, the altitude? Nevertheless, you're working a
dead end here. You say that they didn't complete it when it is clear
that they most certainy did. Just like your suggestion that they
didn't take grips when it is clear that they most certainly did. 0
for 2 this round, Jinnie - wanna make it 0 for 3?
>Ask one of them, if their true Florida fancy lads at least one or more are
>gonna have them new fangled jump recording dytters stuck in those fancy faced
>helments.
No, no need to. You say that by the "look of things" there wasn't
enough time for the rest to get in and complete the formation - I say
that it's a fact that they did complete the formation and there are
pictures to prove it so I guess there as enough time, eh? 0-3.
>Your the one trying to convince me its good enough to be a record,
No, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I am merely proving
that when you say that freeflyers don't take grips, you are a dumbfuck
because there is proof that they do - especailly as you struggle to
ignore this fact and maintain the fiction by disregarding the obvious.
As for proving to anyone if it's good enough to be a record, that's up
to the people doing the dive and, of course, ultimately the FAI but
the fact remains - they are freeflyers and they are taking grips.
Now, how about your assertion that freelfyers don't take grips?
Ignoring the truth doesn't make it go away, Jinnie - and it's kinda
weak.
>you tell me and I'll devide by a factor of 1.5 and get to the truth---to sloppy
>looking to be a record to my eye unless its a record funnel hahaha
Well, you're not the one who determines what is a record and what
isn't and you're certainly not the one who even knows what is fact and
what is fiction. You just don't know and the fact that you are not
hesitant to pretend that you do know what is soon demonstratedly
proven false suggests that that you are a pretentious knowitall who,
in reality, knows very little.
That or just a remarkable dingleberry who finds fulfillment in
announcing he's an idiot so if he can see if anyone will agree with
him.
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>any contact with. People driving the >boats or ships compliment looked real
>hard at us, but didn't say anything to us.
And this was in what decade?
>When we traveled on LST's, they were >crewed by Koreans.
That sounds like a MSTS ship to me, Althoug LST's were in some amphibious
sqadrons the one you were on wesn't in the Navy Phibrons. It was simply a
civilian contractors carying passangers and cargo overseas like the freedom
birds. Comphibron one used AKA's APA's one LSD and one APD, The APD was a
converted Destroyer used as a scouting platform and carryed no more than 2
platoons and their equpment.
mostly to survey the beach pror to the landing or make smaller assults as
diversions on another beach prior to the main force hitting the target
beach----mostly raider and recon types.
It depended on the beach assult plan, we could have UDT, Beach Masters, Beach
Jumpers or Marine Radiers aboard or any combination of the three. Hell we
carried the Army once---they were a stange group,
Language experts and Special Forces types. All of them seemed to speak Mandrin
and some couldn't speak any english at all, a old Master Sgt interpreted for
them---strange shit went on before your time boot. As far as looking hard at
the Marines yeah we done that.
but you get a small ship with15 Officers 130 Sailor and anywhere from 18 to 180
Grunt crammed in, ya gotta socialize, only one messdeck and ya had to go
topside to get to it or pass through the port or starbord troop compartments to
get to it...Even the small Marine units we carried were always under foot, i
you didn't know yor cocksuns first name by the time youclimbed into the LCVPr.
You were seriously anti social...And of course they had to use the one crews
shower and head in the aft passage way and a sailor, (probably me) was going to
be controlling the fresh water valves out in the passage way. Warter hours boot
and ya better be nice to the boats jarhead <grin> Yep I was in a different Navy
than you Chuck, you mussta never done a Westpac cruise with the Phibrons as FMF
prior to Vietnam. You just got hauled overseas by civilian Contracters on a
MSTS ship, your not my type of Marine boot...Yeah THE BOOT PART MIGHT BE THE
MAIN COMMUNICATIONS PROBLEM Sonnyboy 0~;)P
Jerry K.
>>Check this shit out dumbass
>
>pretty sad looking formation, funneled bad did it?
Not so bad that those 40 plus freeflyers didn't all take grips on each
other. I thought you said freeflyers don't take grips.
>
>>No, dumbass - it was a pre-planned, >pre-designed formation
>
>>They preplan funnels now?
>>
>
>>you apparently don't have a clue about >record requirements,
>>
>
>If you ain't blocking it, calling the formation and turning as many points as
>you can on anything up to and bigger than a 20/36 or bigger way, you ain't got
>a record as far as I'm concerned----
Fine, and if you are still saying that freeflyers don't take grips
after seeing multiple photographs of freeflyers taking grips than you
are dummer than a bag of hammers. I think you're having a hard time
accepting freeflyers taking grips on a formation more than twice the
size of anything you ever bullshitted your way on to.
>how long did those actually in hold the
>grip?
What? Holding grips? How can freeflyers hold grips when freeflyers
don't hold grips?
>GIVE ME DETAILS YOUNG BITCH,----------->
Sure, a bunch of freeflyers jumped out of an airplane and despite your
assertion that freeflyers don't take grips, they all took grips.
>Just a still of a sloppy looking
>formation and some USPA2000 talk it up don't cut it with me tHE FORMATION
>APPEARED TO HAVE PEOPLE OUT----
Sure, those were either people early in the dive getting in, which
they did, or they were cameraflyers who weren't intended to get in, in
the first place. So, the formation appeared to have people out - but
not all of them out? So, if not all of them are out does this mean
some of them are in and if some of them are in then does this mean
that contrary to your assertion that freeflyers don't take grips,
these freeflyers were taking grips? I do believe it does. Now chill
out and chew your crow, dingleberry.
>that queers the attempt by my rules boy.
Sure, and no prob - no record for them but that said, you can't take
away the proof that here, before your eyes, are examples of freeflyers
taking grips - even though you said they don't. Ketchup? Prozac?
Might make the crow go down better.
>You got 20 up, 20 need to be in
>40 up 40 need to be in
There were 42 pre-planned and enginnered into specific slots plus
camerageeks and ya now? 42 were in and in their slots. Count. Take
note of the grips while you're at it while you're chewing, mister
freeflyers-don't-take-grips-croweater guy!
>100 up 100 need to be in.
Yeah, yeah - 42 up, 42 in - more than twice as large as any formation
you ever bullshitted your way onto. Did I mention it was 42
freeflyers with grips?
>Whatever was put up needs to be in
>shit novices used to put 10 or 12 up all the time trying to come up with a 8
>way and come up with 3 or 4 one point 2 ways.
Is that the shit you used to pull, crowmuncher. Freeflyers have been
taking grips for years - you just were too wrapped up in yourself to
notice.
>It just ain't gonna cut it unless I see everybody in one formal formation.
Well, the photo's there - several of them. I can't make you
acknowledge it since you're too scared to see it. But forget about
who's in and who's not. Ignore the freeflying 42 way. Check out the
grips. That's right, grips. Freeflyers taking grips, Crow a little
gamey?
>I
>had a sheep ask me one day while I was howling at a just off student status 10
>way durning a post dive, "Hell old man we had three 2 ways and one 4 way going
>on
>ain't that a 10 way?"
Freeflyers with grips, Jinnie. Grips.
>He thought docking then funneling---going to the low man
>and docking again meant 2 points not 1....
>MY ASS, Yawl did't have a 10 way!
>What about our points?
>For the guys that redocked with the same person 1 point, forthe ones flitting
>around from 2 way to 2 way no point asshole!
>Why didn't you bring the 4 way down to us?
>Not my job, you need to come back up to the base if you fall out or blow past.
>Going to the low man seems easier.
>It is, thats why you shouldn't do it
>hug a beach ball and come back up!
>
>Why?
>
>Becaue its the right way is why. a 10 way was planned, the base stayed together
>yaw eiter fell out or didn't get in and went low then started doing your own
>thing.
>PLAN THE DIVE AND DIVE THE PLAN
What a coincidence - these freeflyers planned a 42way with people in
specific slots ***taking grips*** and ya know, they dived the plan,
grips and all.
>did we get anything?
>Yeah a skydve, ain't it wonderfull? 0~;->
> `~that what them freaks are doing down in Florida long haired boy?
No, they were going for a freefly size record - a record which
included them taking grips. Yes, taking grips. Guess what - they
took grips, yes, all took grips, and they got the record but even if
they hadn't got the record, they still took grips - which is
curiously, quite the oppostie of your assertion that freeflyers don't
take grips. Another serving of crow or do you need to chew some more?
Ya know, you could chew that crow better if your foot wasn;t up in
there with it. ROTFLMAO!!!
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>>artta move to Europe and become >French faggots, follow the
>>money mon cher ;-P
>
>>f you moved to France you wouldn't
>>be French but given your navy >background, you'd be right there in the
>>faggot department.
>
>>Your already efete kid, I'm to set in my ways & butch to cut it passing as a
>French faggot, I'm afraid its up to you kid
Your navy credentials are all you need. Uh...you're butch?
> ;->
>
>>Hell, you live closer to France than I do >and ya know - I don't have
>>to step anywhere to be a Texan. You?
>
>Depends on wheather you believe that Lousiana purchase story I told back when
>Lost Prarrie Mt. came up for sale
>last year <g>
No, not at all since whether that story was true or not (it's
buillshit, of course) you weren't born here or anywhere near what was
then to become Texas and, of course,, what is now Texas.
>
>>Ok! Ok! Up until this last paragraph all >that you said seemed to be
>>logically ordered
>
>One of us might need mental therapy Joe...did you believe the Lousiana purchase
>cut through Polk County Texas
>on this side of Ramond's spread then looped up to include The LP Montana
>DZ?
No, I don't believe it - the proof against the idea is just too
extensive and overwhelming.
>I need to know before giving a name to the VA shrinks on just who's coming
>in for eval heh heh heh
If you want to make 'em roll their eyes and restock the airfresheners,
give 'em your name.
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>and go home and get out.
>That was the order of the day. You >stayed out of CONUS as long as >possible,
I stayed out? They kept me at sea or overseas is more like it. The detailers at
Bupers said their was noo stateside shoreduty slot for seagoing sailors in my
rate and later as a trained CoVan forget it...I only returned long enough for
short schools and in route leave from Asia to Europe or VisaVersa, Damn near
forgot what stateside liberty looked like.More than 10 or 12 years of that
shit went on then my EOS matched the end of one of my in country tours in
Vietnam and I had their ass, Come back and 40 years later some Army SP4 twit
named Tommy dink tells me he was stationed on the Naval Base in Corpus Christi
Texas while
I was overseas all that time? Fuck yes I got out---he gave me proof positive
the Navy detailers were liing to its overseas sailors.
.
.>I know a guy who arrived (Da Nang) assigned to 4th Marines Battalion Landing
>Team, flew to the boat, 1st op, he had an appendicitis attack when they hit
>the
>beach, med evaced to the boat for
>surgery.
>When he recovered, he made his second >beach assault and after a few hours on
>the ground, his unit was choppered into >Hill 881 North, where they started to
>climb the mountain and an 82MM mortor >round exploded next to him. He had open
>head wounds and numerous flesh wounds and the Corpsman left him
>for dead on the battlefield
And you wonder why I never came home,
they stuck me overseas and forgot my wild
young ass...That story makes me glad I was smart enough to pass the Navy ASAT
test and not end up a Marine though.
>hey returned the next day to police up >the dead and someone found
>a pluse. He still has 16 pieces of shrap >metal in his brain, and He has no
>recollection of his 3 days on the ground >in Viet Nam.
Had a bad Corpsman or careless one I reacon, the guy probably regreated it the
rest of his life cuz I'm sure he was informed of his mistake. I've been ass
deep in Alligators and scared myself, only my training and long years of
service kept the mistakes down. Shit tends to happen.
THE 2nd month of my last tour was pretty bad and I was dealingwith a lotta
fear, then something snapped inside me and I said fuck it, if I'm going to die
I'm going to die, I'm not with a American unit-I'll get left, my body will
never be found, my mother won't know where its at FUCK THIS and I stood up on
the deck of the boat in plane view of the enemy on the bank and
started giving the indigs in M2 gun tubs fire direction thinking all durning
the fight
"OK you sorry M'fers, go ahead and kill
me, make it a clean TDC shot....lets get it over with, the other Advisor on the
other boat thought I had lost what was left of my mind....I think the training
just jelled, fear of dieing never effected me much after that....Nothing meant
much to me anymore either, ech time a team mate died less and less became
sacred to me.
I even began to hate anything not directly related to my field team and its
mission...Just didn't give a shit anymore but my fear burnt out, nothing worse
than fear man, never was able to get my easy going old self back, it was gone
forever I guess....left it on a river below Hoi Ann---spooked the hell out of
the Viet sailors, they begin to think another spirit had captured my soul and
became afraid.
Afraid to be out in the dark with me, started calling me Lohaun....really never
gave a shit cuz I was alright after that, could cope with anything no matter
how bad....unfortunately my attitude didn't go down well with officers in the
rear and later skydivers. My LT learned to live with it and protected me from
the military bean counters, not that I gave a shit about what anybody thought
anymore...All I gave a shit about was blocking enemy access to any water I was
on. Ya wuzzn't crossing my river you chicken shit bastards and I better not
catch you on either side of it either. Not all sailors are bad though
Chuck....I told you about that AP I was on
in the Phibrons when I was a boot in another post, well about 5 or 6 years
after I left her she put a recon unit up some river further North... When the
Coxsun up ramped his LCM and backed out a waiting NVA unit hit the Marines
hard from concealed positions, he ran back in and dropped the ramp...The
surviving Marines got back on with their wounded but the Bowhook and Coxsun
were killed...The Fireman they had along as a motorman had to pull the ramp up
and back the boat off....Damedist thing,. although the Marines had got cut up
in the firefight not one died though, just 2 of the 3 sailors on the landing
craft----all sailors ain't assholes
Chuck...I ain't quite sure if all Marines myself though HAW HAW HAW 0~;)P
Oneryfart
>was? I do think it is. People >remember.
>yeah because that pretty well descibes >the USPA trail of tears and
personality
>traints it creates,
>
>Oh, stop trying to be dramatic you dumb >poser.
I'm just poetic, your the drama queen Jerry