Sabre/ Hard Openings
Brad Allen
some very hard openings (including risers damaging my ring sight
on my camera helmet). Before this canopy, I had a Sabre170 with
an F111 bungie pilot chute sitting in a Vector witha leg
throw away and had reliable soft openings every time. I havnt
changed my packing technique between canopies although I am now
using a Zero-P kill-line pilot chute with a flexon container
with BOC. I have tried the normal tricks to slow my openings
down without much success. Has anyone heard of any similar
problems and if so I would appreciate some advise.
Blue Skies,
Brad Allen
E-1263
Skydive Adelaide
AUSTRALIA.
Yuri Kuznetsow
>
>:PDs/Sabres are intentionally trimmed to open faster than Stilettos,
>:due to the expected experience level of the jumper
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Uh......what?
What what ? ;-) The way PD markets it - they clearly intend to put
Sabre as all-around canopy, sutable for jumpers with intermediate
experience. Snivelling doesn't fit here. This is the only way
i can explain Sabre openings as technically there's no problem to
put a bigger slider on it right there at the factory.
It just looks like most people don't dare to touch their canopies
or rigs, thinking that manufacturer did everything the best way. This is
quite right, in general, but the manufacturer's goals might be somewhat
different from yours. After all, you are owning and using the product.
bsbd!
Yuri.
SkySp...@aol.com
rig type have a factor on your openings.
Sabre 150 = hard openings
Sabre (any size) = stiff neck
It's common knowledge.
I think you have to work with the slider, roll the nose, big line stows,
flare big time prior to pull, good body position and hope for the best.
What's that new pack job???....Oh ya,... ahhh, ahhh... psyco pack?
Mike Eakins
Good luck...
Yuri Kuznetsow
>Sabre 150 = hard openings
>Sabre (any size) = stiff neck
>It's common knowledge.
Uhh, yeah. Slider is the key ! All the tricky screwing around with
fancy pack jobs is alot of fun i believe, but all one has to do is
to get a bigger and/or pocket slider. Slider is the natural and the
most powerful piece specifically put on your canopy to slow the opening
down - don't forget it !
PDs/Sabres are intentionally trimmed to open faster than Stilettos,
due to the expected experience level of the jumper. You can easily
change it by varying the slider size - especially if you value your
neck ;-)
bsbd and a healthy snivel !
Yuri.
BRENT J FINLEY
:due to the expected experience level of the jumper
Uh......what?
Brent
Ted Dentay
The following information is from my experience only. I do not
necessarily suggest you do this. Contact a manufacturer or experienced
rigger before attempting anything like this mod. Got it?
Have you tried a pocketed slider? I had an experience with one
last season and I must say I was astounded with its effectiveness. (Don't
know what its downside is, tho, hence the warning above.)
A rigger friend has a 135 Sabre (I'm 170Lb. suspended) which he put
a pocketed slider on and I jumped it.
Scared is not the word when I saw how he packed the canopy into the
D-bag. It just went in any old way (he was trying to make a point).
At deployment alt., I closed my eyes and heaved, expecting an
almighty cosmic opening (stars and universes). Well, sonofabitch, it was
an absolutely gorgeous opening. Took about 500' to full inflation. On
heading too!
Ask around first before you try this. It may go against
manufacturers' instructions.
Any Landing You Can Walk Away From Is A Good One.
Blue Skies, Frostbitten Hands, Red Noses!
Ted Dentay
Editor,Canpara
RR#3, Mount Albert
Ontario, Canada L0G 1M0
(905)473-2550
Airsurf696
nose or the tail. Let the slider do its job.
Sabres open hard. If you are going to continue jumping camera get a
Stilletto, Jonathan, Jedei or Tomcat for nice openings.
Daniel Z
David Sincock
I had the same problems.
Its been suggested that a larger slider will fix your problem
Blue Skies
David Sincock
Bryan Enos
I'm sorry, I have been jumping a Sabre 150 for around 200 jumps and have had
a total of one (1) hard opening. That was due to the fact that I made the
mistake of letting someone else pack it...someone that loves "brisk"
openings (I thought I was going to be in traction for a month!). The key to
soft Sabre openings is to do a standard pro-pack and stuff each side of 4
cells in to the center cell up to the first packing tabs (to make sure both
sides are even), make sure the slider is pulled in front of the nose and then
roll the tail 4 times. Nice, soft, on-heading (80-85% of the time on heading
anyway) openings.
--
Blue Skies and Soft Landings!
Bryan D-17749, JM96
Cypres Equipped
Zero-P
some reason people do have hard openings is because when they stow their
slider they do pull the front out of the nose but what they don't do is
also pull the sides of the slider out as well i pull them out between
the groups of lines in other words between the A/B lines and the C/D
lines i found that although very small of a change it helps greatly.
also maybe some people just have a different definition of "soft" and "hard"
oh great here come the sexual innuendos
i have a question while i'm at it does wing loading effect opening shock?
does a higher wing load open harder than a lower wing load on the same
type of canopy?
Russel Metlitzky
USPA A-21109
NB#20
"It's not a REAL sport unless you can die from massive internal trauma."
- Allen Roulston (copyright) 1995
Winsor Naugler III
<Pine.PMDF.3.91.9602231...@clstac.is.csupomona.edu>
Zero-P <rmetl...@clstac.is.csupomona.edu> writes:
>
>well i also own a sabre (135) and i never have hard openings! i think
>some reason people do have hard openings is because when they stow
their
>slider they do pull the front out of the nose but what they don't do
is
>also pull the sides of the slider out as well i pull them out between
>the groups of lines in other words between the A/B lines and the C/D
>lines i found that although very small of a change it helps greatly.
>also maybe some people just have a different definition of "soft" and
"hard"
>oh great here come the sexual innuendos
>
>i have a question while i'm at it does wing loading effect opening
shock?
>does a higher wing load open harder than a lower wing load on the same
>type of canopy?
>
>Russel Metlitzky
>USPA A-211109
>NCB#20
>
>"It's not a REAL sport if you can die from boredom."
>- Allen Roulston (copy, right?) 1995
>
Russel,
The process of quartering the slider you describe doesn't seem to help
those canopies that seek to open instantaneously. It is, however, good
practice.
The wing loading does not seem to be as great a factor as is the ratio
between canopy area and slider area. This is to say that using the
slider from your 135 on a 210 would be patently insufficient; the
authority with which the bigger canopy will be trying to open greatly
exceeds the reefing capacity of the smaller slider. Among the most
brutal opening canopies I have encountered have been large Sabres, but
the smaller ones have been easy to pack for reasonable deployment.
Pocket sliders interrupt the airflow to the nose of the canopy, and
thus reduce the authority with which the canpoy opens and increases the
reefing effectiveness. Two canopies that used to give BASE style
openings regardless of how I packed have had pocket sliders installed
(my own recipe). I now jump either with ~10# of cameras on my head
without worry.
I don't have any good innuendos ready. I hear sex is almost as much
fun as skydiving, but more dangerous. Skydiving, the worst thing that
can happen is you can die. I'll try that sex stuff soon, and let you
know what I think.
Blue Skies,
Winsor
Senior Rigger QVW
AMEL
FOB #219
BMF #509
ttfn
Anonymous
(Airsurf696) wrote:
I jump a sabre 150 now for about 200 jumps, all with video helmet.
Out of this 200 I had ONE hard opening, getting a stiff necj for one day.
So I dont think you may generally put it the way that a sabre opens hard.
My way of packing is:
Split the nose and roll it 4 to 5 half wraps and put it deep into the fabric
beside the nose , 4 cells to the left, 4 cells to the right, as shown in
the owners manual.
Take care of the fabric inside, e.g. let it hang in parallel to the panels
on the left and right side. (What want to express is what people do when
working inside their canopies cleaning up the mess).
Clean up the tail, so arrange the fabric in a way that it hangs free, not
messed up between the D-Lines.
Put the slider in front of your nose (Of the canopy, you fool ;-) ). Put
it completly in front of the nose !
Put the tail around your canopy, pulling the leading eadge firmly down
while rolling it with 8 to 12 half wraps.
This procedure takes a little bit longer than you might like, but works good
for me.
Packing like this gives me about 300 feet under a sniveling sabre, before it
fully inflates, so what about hard openings ?
Since I have a anonymous remailer here my ID
Michael "Ginger" Guender
e-mail <mi...@cinetic.de>
Dany Brooks
I bought it), and had one hard opening the whole time. I propack
and don't roll the nose, just kind of stuff it into the middle
before rolling the tail around. I have a Sabre 135 now, bought used
with 400 jumps on it, I've put almost 200 on it, still no hard
openings. I hear about these hard openings all the time, just don't
know what you're talking about...
DBrooks
D-17265
Daniel G. Pearse
>> nose or the tail. Let the slider do its job.
>> Sabres open hard. If you are going to continue jumping camera get a
>> Stilletto, Jonathan, Jedei or Tomcat for nice openings.>> Daniel Z
I have 500 jumps on my Sabre (which is the best landing canopy I have ever
owned) and it opened hard last fall at the Frankfort KingAir 200 boogie. It
was so hard I "heard" something crack in my neck. It was the hardest opening
I have had in 16 years of jumping. I took several weeks off, had inconclusive
x-rays, and generally became a little "gun shy". Another like that could be
bad for a season or a career. I am interested in a drawstring slider with a
pocket. Is anyone making or modifying Sabre sliders with both mods?
Dan Pearse D6524 Can't wait for the next Super CASA boogie!!!!
Darryl Hunter
: I put 700 jumps on my Sabre 150 (it had almost 400 jumps on it when
: DBrooks
: D-17265
I agree with you. I bought a Sabre 150 brand new. I've done about 40
jumps on it, and could count the number of hard openings I've had on
one hand. It would be similar to the number of trash packs I've done.
I don't touch the nose, and roll the tail 7 times. Works for me!!
Darryl Hunter
C3325