Container size guides
Airborne all the way!
Forgive my ignorance, but I'm new to the sport. I'll be looking to buy a
rig within the next few months, so I've been canvassing the Classifieds. Am
I wrong, or are container sizes indicated by an alpha-numeric code? If so,
is there an online reference that could give me an idea as to what sort of
codes I need to be looking at (I'm 5' 9", 200 pounds... need something with
lots of shoulder room)?
Thanks for any help!
Scott
--
"Let them hate, so long as they fear."
Jim Jette
1. The jumper's body size
This is the dimensions of the harness, which the container is attached to.
The most basic harness measurement is the main lift web size, which is
measured as the distance from the "V" at the base of the throat to the top
of a hipbone. An "average" liftweb is 17-19". When you buy a new rig the
harness is custom-cut for the jumper who ordered it. Of course it will fit
others of similar body size and weight. Just remember you can have two
5'10, 180# dudes -- one with a 28" inseam (long torso; in the base) and the
other with a 34" inseam (short torso; rear float) and they won't be
comfortable with the same harness size.
2. The pack volume of the canopies it will contain. Measured in cubic
inches.
The pack volume is the number/letter code you see advertised and varies by
manufacturer. Javelin uses J1, J2, etc; Talon uses T1, T2, etc. Smaller
numbers indicate they are made for smaller canopies. A number like V000
(Voodoo) indicates it is made for VERY small canopies. Each container
manufacturer has a chart that states about how many cubic inches each size
will hold. Canopy manufacturers provide estimates on how many cubic inches
each canopy model and size requires. Obviously you have to match canopy
volume to available container volume.
That being said, items #1 and #2 mentioned above are independent of each
other. You need a harness that will fit your body AND that will comfortably
hold the main and reserve canopy sizes that are right for your
experience level.
I would recommend you find yourself a ParaGear catalog to give you an idea
of what you're looking at when you browse the classifieds (www.paragear.com)
. It includes pack volumes for all popular canopies of yesterday and today,
as well as approximate pack volumes for all the major container
manufacturers.
Last piece of advice: consult a local rigger, jumpmaster, DZO, etc as you
shop and make sure you get what you need at a fair price.
--
Jim Jette - OH
D-23020
CCS-1221
Senior Rigger
"Airborne all the way!" <stop....@virgin.dotnet> wrote in message
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IB1
C19 and a D19 harness size??
"Jim Jette" <JJe...@worldnetoh.com> wrote in message
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mo ghile meer
>so what is the differnece between a
>C19 and a D19 harness size??
>
yer fixating kid, why don't ewe just talk to aone of the DZ non gear selling
riggers & look the material designs over on other jumpers rigs instead of
trying to cheap charlie over the Ng? Cuz yer a
anal retentive who kin't comunicate face to face thats why, being afraid to
admit ewe need help from your local DZ's rated people
will cost ewe more than money one day. Goldamn Yuppie anals, just like
women....everythings always got to be so so! FOK, I WANNA PUNCH A SHEEP! THEIR
DRIVING ME CRAZY!!! :(P
Wopping BIG....slow canopys
oSPX SL/OG 1+
bad to the bone! :)~ fang
IB1
this is a forum for discussing skydiving related things, so i was asking
people on the NG...
many of whom i'm sure are riggers... and many of whom have been kind enough
to share their knowledge.
i have no problem communicating face 2 face... nor am i a sheep,
just because you are old and have thousands of jumps doesn't necessarily
make you a superior skydiver.... the fact that you started out on the rope
doesn't mean anything....
(however the fact that you have a superiority complex makes you inferior
IMO)
as i happens i learned to skydive on static line progression, but i probably
would have done AFF if i had the opportunity... just because the
progression is quicker...
i assume that AFF wasn't around when you started ... so it was just chance
that you learnt on the rope.
so, if you can't be consructive and helpful to a fellow skydiver then you
just plain aren't a true brother. so just shut up.
"mo ghile meer" <to...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dave Miller
> (however the fact that you have a superiority complex makes you inferior
> IMO)
No need for you to insert "IMO" here.
> as i happens i learned to skydive on static line progression, but i
probably
> would have done AFF if i had the opportunity... just because the
> progression is quicker...
>
> i assume that AFF wasn't around when you started ... so it was just chance
> that you learnt on the rope.
>
>
> so, if you can't be consructive and helpful to a fellow skydiver then you
> just plain aren't a true brother. so just shut up.
The funny thing is, Snuff is an AFF grad, from Queerifornia no less.
Dave Miller
mo ghile meer
bows up to the bait! ;) I one happy fisherman now! :)
i have no problem communicating face 2 face... nor am i a sheep,
>just because you are old and have thousands of jumps doesn't necessarily
>make you a superior skydiver.... the fact that you started out on the rope
>doesn't mean anything....
>
#1. Thousands? Shit I quit logging at 200
so I only got 208 or 9, by the end of next year ewe shud pass me kid.
#2 This is true, I've done 4-ways with other skydivers with 5 or 6 thousand
more jumps than I Not being twinT raised they were a might challenged plus so
stiff and creaky at pickup RW they really sucked. But they knew a lot that I
didn't and cud do a one legged stand up's on fence poles with them big ole
7-cells most of which had diapers bigger than the shit yawl jump as mains
today. But ahhhhh "DID THEY GIVE ME HELL!" GEEZUS THEY GAVE ME HELL and I wuz
carrying the old bastards on points!
>i assume that AFF wasn't around when you started ... so it was just chance
>that you learnt on the rope.
Buzzzzzt! wrong again! I took it at SPX Leauge city, one of the first Texas
Otter DZ's. The old Deguello 20 way hangout and Yup pond, a lot of pressure wuz
put on me to go AFF but my code Stubbornly insisted on sticking with the old
ways. At about 40 jumps the JM/I walked out to the 206 which SPX also kept
around and said
"You SL funjumpers git out of the cessna and git on the Otter!"
"Noooooooo Their meany pies!"
"GIT OUT and git in that damn Otter, you might like them, their just
skydivers!"
"Noooooooooo their assholes!"
"OK I'm pulling the cessna pilot, stay parked out here in the sun with the 206,
see if anybody cares!"
the 206 began rocking as sheep voices drifted out of it.
"THEM.......THEM!
YOU.........YOU......
but we got out, glad he forced the issue cuz hanging with the meanies improved
our air skills and gave their ragged old ass's an entertaining ride to
altitude.
When I bitched about the AFF twits Mike Smith would just say "stick around you
might learn something." When they bitched me Mike would just say
"Snuffy does alright, he just has to work harder at it." :)P
mo ghile meer
demonstrates sheep sticking together :)
(IB1 sheep sez)
>so, if you can't be consructive and helpful >to a fellow skydiver then you
just plain >aren't a true brother. so just shut up.
(the great coyote replys)
gee can I help it if yer too anal & retarded to understand what I'm teaching?
>The funny thing is, Snuff is an AFF grad, >from Queerifornia no less.
>
>Dave Miller
>
Who the fok asked ewe? :-/
IB1
i have 316 jumps but know that i still have alot to learn about the sport...
seems you think you know it all... or perhaps it is dementia....
i'm sorry either way....
"mo ghile meer" <to...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Eileen_Tudelef
> this is a forum for discussing skydiving related things
I agree. (It should be)
> many of whom i'm sure are riggers... and many of whom have been kind enough
> to share their knowledge.
This has provided a great deal of helpful info for me.
The professionals who provide answers on this ng are
greatly appreciated.
>
> i have no problem communicating face 2 face... nor am i a sheep,
Doesn't matter. Beginners are the main group that should not
be alienated from an informational ng, but that is what happens.
If posters are REALLY trying to help beginners, then they don't
start out with the "KID - IN MY DAY ..." crap.
>
> just because you are old and have thousands of jumps doesn't necessarily
> make you a superior skydiver.... the fact that you started out on the rope
> doesn't mean anything....
True. In fact, it may be the reverse.
Static line is a single person exit. It is like bragging to
other kids that you learned to crawl and then trying to give
advice on walking. It doesn't provide any valuable knowledge.
Static line does not have freefall time, RW, pull-time technique
or a host of other items that go beyond 1st jump ability.
How many people do you know that have 500 jumps, but it is
really just the 21st jump repeated 480 times?
When you are talking about technique or gear, it is better to hear
from current skydivers who are actively improving themselves.
The training (video, wind tunnels, coaching, books) that is available
today has eclipsed the methods of 10 years ago.
Kind of like the computers we are using. Do you take advice on
computers from a person whose last exposure to them was 1985?
Things have changed.
>
> so, if you can't be consructive and helpful to a fellow skydiver then you
> just plain aren't a true brother. so just shut up.
Amen.
Dave Miller
> Who the fok asked ewe? :-/
>
> Wopping BIG....slow canopys
> oSPX AFF/OG 1+
> bad to the bone! :)~ gums
If we all waited to be asked, this would be a very quite place.
Dave Miller
mo ghile meer
>mo ghile meer brayed:
>
>> Who the fok asked ewe? :-/
>If we all waited to be asked, this would be a very quite place.
>
>
>Dave Miller
so ewe are adopting my style?
woo woo I finally ran a sheep crazy! ;->
Wopping BIG....slow canopys
oSPX SL/OG 1+
bad to the bone! :)~ fang
Jerry K.
>no, i'm curious... and won't be at the DZ for a few weeks...
>this is a forum for discussing skydiving related things, so i was asking
>people on the NG...
>many of whom i'm sure are riggers... and many of whom have been kind enough
>to share their knowledge.
This is very true. Just keep in mind the truism that Snuffie is a
self centered idiot.
>
>i have no problem communicating face 2 face... nor am i a sheep,
Well, you see-he does. He never goes to dz's anymore-for a variety of
excuses and part of his act is to call people names-in this case,
sheep.
>
>just because you are old and have thousands of jumps doesn't necessarily
>make you a superior skydiver.... the fact that you started out on the rope
>doesn't mean anything....
This is also true except he doesn't have thousands of jumps, he
graduated AFF, and according to the people who used to experience the
"grandeur" of him on dz's - he wasn't a superior skydiver. From what
I get from those that remember him, "He was a nice guy with a big
heart who used to try real hard, would jump with the younger jump
crowd, and even used to chaplain over at the VA-a good guy- but
something definitely happened to his attitude after the stroke-he's
pretty crude now."
>
>(however the fact that you have a superiority complex makes you inferior
>IMO)
It's not a complex-it's a whole subdivision.
>
>as i happens i learned to skydive on static line progression, but i probably
>would have done AFF if i had the opportunity... just because the
>progression is quicker...
There's a lot to be said for getting in air instruction, I think.
>
>i assume that AFF wasn't around when you started ... so it was just chance
>that you learnt on the rope.
No, for him it's all political and fashion statement. He's an AFF
graduate but would prefer that people forget that fact-it's counter to
his act.
>so, if you can't be consructive and helpful to a fellow skydiver then you
>just plain aren't a true brother. so just shut up.
Just you wait-you're now in line to be called lots of names.
...bsrp
...jlk
freeflyer
>
> This is very true. Just keep in mind the truism that Snuffie is a
> self centered idiot.
You should know, you stalk him every chance you get.
Have you realized yet, Jerry, that your behavior is becoming
similar to that of TT (ie. obsessive)?
--
Espen
ALF#1
mo ghile meer
>i have no problem communicating face 2 >face... nor am i a sheep,
>
>Well, you see-he does. He never goes to >dz's anymore-for a variety of
>excuses
the only reason to go to a dz is if ewe have no social life or to jump, My barn
dance card is full & I'm forcibly retired from
jumping
>just because you are old and have >thousands of jumps doesn't necessarily
>>make you a superior skydiver.... the >fact that you started out on the rope
>doesn't mean anything....
>This is also true except he doesn't have >thousands of jumps, he graduated
AFF,
True and not true
> and according to the people who used to >experience the "grandeur" of him on
dz's - >he wasn't a superior skydiver.
see I told ewe skydiving ain't changed, fly circles around AFF people and they
got a woodie for life! :)
>I get from those that remember him, "He >was a nice guy with a big
>heart who used to try real hard, would >jump with the younger jump
>crowd, and even used to chaplain over at >the VA-a good guy- but
>something definitely happened to his >attitude after the stroke-he's
>pretty crude now."
If they think I'm a nice guy...it proves they didn't know me at all! Besides it
wuz Herman Hospital and I wuz a volunteer....trying to atone for killing so
many ferriners in the 60's the fact I was a stone cold killer created this
wonderfull gift of being able to deal with watching people die slow deaths and
stay by their side to the end. They looked into my cold lifeless eyes and
gathered comfort somehow. Perhaps they cud see my scarred heart
> but something definitely happened to his >attitude after the stroke-he's
pretty crude now."
(wrong...it wuz a brain
aneurysm)
And that has to be from somebody who had me on a pedestal like one of the RW
Queens or Mike Turoff....I've always been crude, never grew out of it from
grade school
>however the fact that you have a >superiority complex makes you inferior
>IMO)
>It's not a complex-it's a whole subdivision.
>bsrp
>jlk dink
:) true, but don't forgit it takes smarts & focus to build a subdivision sized
sheep pen.
So now yew've had it from the horse's mouth TAKE A PROZAK AND GIT OVER IT
FOKING CRYBABYS ;-Pfffft.
mo ghile meer
don't worry ensign, I'm a mans man and unfortunately that attracts momma's boys
& queers also. Delt with his kind before. It just makes him feel like a man to
rub shoulders with a John Wayne prototype
Actually its a form of hero worship! ;:->
mo ghile meer
and RW medals bt the time my skull exploded
and retired me.
***********
jlk/dink's report:
>and according to the people who used to >experience the "grandeur" of him on
>dz's - he wasn't a superior skydiver.
It has to be 2nd or 3rd hand information from Delguello people who considered
me a menace to society or perhaps the I&E and JM/I who expected me to grow out
of the fun jump stage and into the worlds greatest Jumpmaster someday or
perhaps the DZO who hated the fact I traveled the Gypsy circuit instead of
staying ay my home DZ all the time.....had the double falcon and eagle wuz
working on the Silver falcon & had just began winning National 4 way medals so
I wuz turning the corner but its clear I didn't meet everybodys expectations.
OH WELL.........THATS SKYDIVING! ;-*
Jerry K.
>don't worry ensign, I'm a mans man and unfortunately that attracts momma's boys
>& queers also.
Nope, that ain't it.
>Delt with his kind before. It just makes him feel like a man to
>rub shoulders with a John Wayne prototype
You mean Marion Morrison?
>Actually its a form of hero worship! ;:->
Nope, that ain't it, either.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
give him a hard time-why not?
...bsrp
...jlk
On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:33:24 +0200, freeflyer <free...@freeflyer.no>
wrote:
Jerry K.
>the only reason to go to a dz is if ewe have no social life or to jump, My barn
>dance card is full & I'm forcibly retired from
>jumping
Well, there is the minor issue of actually being informed about dz's
and skydiving when you talk about dz's and skydiving.
>>This is also true except he doesn't have >thousands of jumps, he graduated
>AFF,
>
>True and not true
SO you DO have thousands of jumps. What happened to only eight?
>
>see I told ewe skydiving ain't changed, fly circles around AFF people and they
>got a woodie for life! :)
Actually, my intel came from SL grads.
>If they think I'm a nice guy...it proves they didn't know me at all! Besides it
>wuz Herman Hospital and I wuz a volunteer....trying to atone for killing so
>many ferriners in the 60's the fact I was a stone cold killer created this
>wonderfull gift of being able to deal with watching people die slow deaths and
>stay by their side to the end. They looked into my cold lifeless eyes and
>gathered comfort somehow. Perhaps they cud see my scarred heart
Now if that isn't a cry for attention, I'm not sure what is! Still,
what you did at Herman was noble and good.
> (wrong...it wuz a brain
>aneurysm)
>And that has to be from somebody who had me on a pedestal like one of the RW
>Queens or Mike Turoff....I've always been crude, never grew out of it from
>grade school
Nope, neither RW Queen of Turoff. Those that remember you never saw
you so bitter, black, and without optimism when you were on dz's.
Sad, so sad.
> :) true, but don't forgit it takes smarts & focus to build a subdivision sized
>sheep pen.
If only you used that vaunted focus and smarts for good, instead of
evil.
>So now yew've had it from the horse's mouth TAKE A PROZAK AND GIT OVER IT
>FOKING CRYBABYS ;-Pfffft.
Only when you get over it, first. Gee, I bothering someone, yet?
...bsrp
...jlk
mo ghile meer
because our relationship was not as bad as it seems.....THATS SKYDIVING!
***********
I said
>It has to be 2nd or 3rd hand information >from Delguello people who considered
>me a menace to society
I liked many of the deguello and they liked me in return & taught me
much....although I made it hard as hell---->the Buda-kai way
It wuz Jack Burkes last wife Rosie and the deguello wannabe's I had most of the
trouble with, ewe know the trying to get in good with the core members mutt
smootch types to git a shot at the Nationals...the competition wuz stiff and I
foked with them big time yes...I was horrible, unmerciful....like they wern't
under enuff pressure, I cud walk up bend down nose to nose with some of the
smaller anal ones and grin. I SWEAR THEY WOULD CRY!
Thats where I picked up the sheep stich. Man all I had to do was drive up and
they huddled together like sheep, everyone fighting to git in the middle of the
little flock & push someone else to the edge. So it wuz just a Texas DZ culture
thing, ;->
mo ghile meer
>(mowrote
>don't worry ensign, I'm a mans man and unfortunately that attracts momma's
>boys & queers also.
>
>Nope, that ain't it.
>
I hate to drop the hammer on ewe and break the news kid but I liked queer
skydivers better than I did momma's boy skydivers....wellllll the butch queers
at least, I put the bitchqueers in the same classification as momma's boys &
RWQueens whoaaaaaa what a thought! ;-*
Jerry K.
>hummmm I had to rethink who might have said this one. cuz I had the credentials
>and RW medals bt the time my skull exploded
>and retired me.
Rw Medals...heh...heh heh...hahahahahaha!
>It has to be 2nd or 3rd hand information from Delguello people who considered
>me a menace to society or perhaps the I&E and JM/I who expected me to grow out
>of the fun jump stage and into the worlds greatest Jumpmaster someday or
>perhaps the DZO who hated the fact I traveled the Gypsy circuit instead of
>staying ay my home DZ all the time...
Perhaps it was people who skydived then and now? What does it matter
who it was? It was reported by those who remember when you visited
dz's.
>..had the double falcon and eagle wuz
>working on the Silver falcon & had just began winning National 4 way medals so
National 4way medals? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Tell us another
one! This is funny stuff!!!
>I wuz turning the corner but its clear I didn't meet everybodys expectations.
Actually, I think not too many people actually worried about it.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>I have to address this delguello issue also
>because our relationship was not as bad as it seems.....THATS SKYDIVING!
Nope, nothing to do with Deguello. You brought them up (while
flailing out guesses, not me).
> ***********
> I said
>>It has to be 2nd or 3rd hand information >from Delguello people who considered
>>me a menace to society
Nope, didn't have to be and actually, it wasn't.
> ************
>I liked many of the deguello and they liked me in return & taught me
>much....although I made it hard as hell---->the Buda-kai way
Yep, you're way off-you would know this if you weren't so secluded.
>
>It wuz Jack Burkes last wife Rosie and the deguello wannabe's I had most of the
>trouble with, ewe know the trying to get in good with the core members mutt
>smootch types to git a shot at the Nationals...the competition wuz stiff and I
>foked with them big time yes...I was horrible, unmerciful....like they wern't
>under enuff pressure, I cud walk up bend down nose to nose with some of the
>smaller anal ones and grin. I SWEAR THEY WOULD CRY!
>Thats where I picked up the sheep stich. Man all I had to do was drive up and
>they huddled together like sheep, everyone fighting to git in the middle of the
>little flock & push someone else to the edge. So it wuz just a Texas DZ culture
>thing, ;->
Well, that's all very interesting but you're following a cold track.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>
>I hate to drop the hammer on ewe and break the news kid but I liked queer
>skydivers better than I did momma's boy skydivers....wellllll the butch queers
>at least, I put the bitchqueers in the same classification as momma's boys &
>RWQueens whoaaaaaa what a thought! ;-*
Yes, you've said (many times) as much before but what does that have
to do with anything-aside from just regurgitating old, beside the
point material?
...bsrp
...jlk
mo ghile meer
>mowrote:
>the only reason to go to a dz is if ewe >have no social life or to jump,
>Well, there is the minor issue of actually >being informed about dz's
>and skydiving when you talk about dz's >and skydiving.
ahem....I believe ewe and a few others on the Ng are a good indication, not
much has changed kid
>This is also true except he doesn't have >thousands of jumps, he graduated
>>AFF,
>>
>>True and not true
>SO you DO have thousands of jumps.
>What happened to only eight?
WENT SL & had less than thousands!
Didn't care about having FF wings but I sure admired them smudged black with a
few gold flakes remaining gold wings the old Accuracy boys wore on their
baseball caps at the Nationals, I wuz skeeming to put mine in a bucket of salt
water and git them looking good....when and if I ever got them.....had more
than enuff for both FF & gold wings prolly, but I wuz skeeming to surprise my
DZ & especially the USPA cuz I wuz jumping a lot as not a member till the
manifest ladys begin catching me at new release time and git the award from a
BOD at a outta town boogie. Never logged much after 200 & I wuz doing between 3
& 400 jumps a year, only logged on keynote jumps or if I wanted a famous
persons signature and just sent in the least possible to the USPA when the DZ
Natzi's made me renew. (theres a story of how Art taught me to come up with my
yearly number WE THREW DICE & put a zero behind what came up! The last year I
kept throwing snake eyes and Art ever superstious, cried) but fate intervened
and Art & I die...I was resurected before my trick fruitated, Art Wan't
resurected :(....ah well I'm diabolice & inhuman enuff as it is! Art was always
a better person than I, he shudda come back and I shudda stayed dead, but we
went at seperate times :(tear
mo ghile meer
>I hate to break the news kid but I liked >queer skydivers better than I did
>momma's boy skydivers
>Yes, you've said (many times) as much before but what does that have
>to do with anything-aside from just regurgitating old, beside the
>point material?
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
>
>
>
still in denial huh? :)~
mo ghile meer
>expectations.
>
>Actually, I think not too many people actually worried about it.
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
>
why do they claim to remember me then? Typical third party skydiver shit,
wanting to claim they new Josey Wales
THATS SKYDIVING! ;->
Jerry K.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>ahem....I believe ewe and a few others on the Ng are a good indication, not
>much has changed kid
Interesting that you put it that way since you maintain that things
were so awesome, wonderful, and just plain so much better then than
things are now. Oh yeah-nothing's changed.
>
>>This is also true except he doesn't have >thousands of jumps, he graduated
>>>AFF,
>>>
>>>True and not true
>
>>SO you DO have thousands of jumps.
>>What happened to only eight?
>
>WENT SL & had less than thousands!
But, you graduated AFF. It's okay. Lots of people have. It just
means that when you rag on AFF then you are simply denigrating
yourself, as well. No worries.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
remember other people they don't automatically revert to what sort of
expectations they might have ever had about that person. I would say
that your grasp of dz's and skydiving is typically third party. Josey
Wales I believe was a fictional character.
...bsrp
...jlk
mo ghile meer
>JK Wrote:
>>I would say
>>that your grasp of dz's and skydiving is typically third party. Josey
>>Wales I believe was a fictional character.
>
>
Watch him Chuck he's working up to dissing the POPS Awards that hang around the
neck cuz I got a few, he might go down on the next POPS he latchs on to
Bwooooohahahaha ;->
Jerry K.
least for a little bit. Even in fiction I don't believe Wales was a
skydiver.
...bsrp
...jlk
On 17 Oct 2001 18:10:28 GMT, cgilb...@aol.com (CGilb39696) wrote:
>>Subject: Re: wuz Container nw/ mean old man history by jlk dink (long)
>>From: sky...@pdq.net (Jerry K.)
>>Date: 10/17/2001 2:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id:
>><A811BC3E6502953F.A4331962...@lp.airnews.net>
>JK Wrote:
>>I would say
>>that your grasp of dz's and skydiving is typically third party. Josey
>>Wales I believe was a fictional character.
>
Jerry K.
>Watch him Chuck he's working up to dissing the POPS Awards that hang around the
>neck cuz I got a few, he might go down on the next POPS he latchs on to
Nothing wrong with POPS-I'll be one myself in a few years. Funny that
when you casually mention your numerous Nationals medals that you
failed to mention the POPS aspect of them. Seems you are embarrassed
by that classification.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
themselves in deeper. Must be his AFF training.
...bsrp
...jlk
On 17 Oct 2001 18:39:26 GMT, cgilb...@aol.com (CGilb39696) wrote:
>>Subject: Re: wuz Container nw/ mean old man history by jlk dink (long)
>>From: to...@aol.com (mo ghile meer)
>>Date: 10/17/2001 2:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <20011017142646...@mb-mq.aol.com>
>Snuffy Wrote:
>>Watch him Chuck he's working up to dissing the POPS Awards that hang around
>>the
>>neck cuz I got a few, he might go down on the next POPS he latchs on to
>>Bwooooohahahaha ;->
>> Wopping BIG....slow canopys
>> oSPX SL/OG 1+
>> bad to the bone! :)~ fang
>>
>Snuff, you are the apple of his eye, who said you loose your sex appeal after
>you retire?
freeflyer
> Actually, I leave most of his stuff alone. So I yank his chain and
> give him a hard time-why not?
There's "giving someone a hard time" and "being obsessive
about another person". You've been slipping into the latter,
and it doesn't look like it's ever going to stop.
Keep up the good work. Have you gotten a signed picture of
him yet? Hairlock perhaps?
Jerry K.
whathisface would disagree with that characterization as well.
But, for the sake of the arguement, if there is any evisceration being
committed, it's by whathisface, himself to himself.
...bsrp
...jlk
On 17 Oct 2001 19:15:29 GMT, cgilb...@aol.com (CGilb39696) wrote:
>
>I know few who enjoy eviscerating, for the sake of least squares. Too much lost
>productivity.
Jerry K.
incorrect then I call him on it. When he brings me up in one of his
rants, I respond to it.
Rare is the thread that I start that is directed in giving him a hard
time but then, rare is the thread that I start, for that mattter.
Yet, you've determined my *reponses* to *his* posts as obsessive? Ask
him about how often I've sent him email or something obsessive like
that. Hell, I'm just responding. What's wrong, what's obsessive
about that?
No signed picture, lock of hair or anything like that but such goals
never were a consideration.
See you at Eloy later on this week?
...bsrp
...jlk
On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:25:50 +0200, freeflyer <free...@freeflyer.no>
wrote:
Jerry K.
...bsrp
...jlk
On 17 Oct 2001 19:50:43 GMT, cgilb...@aol.com (CGilb39696) wrote:
>It's a matter of perspective JK, nice spin.
mo ghile meer
>JK wrote:
>But, for the sake of the arguement, if >there is any evisceration being
>committed, it's by whathisface, himself >to himself.
>
>It's a matter of perspective JK, nice spin.
>
>
don't he kinda remind ewe of the NLF/PLF
and their always trying to spread disinformation about the American Baby
killers while they themself nailed kids to tree's and threw them in piles like
dead dogs to warn their parents not to betray the cause? Cept this dink ain't
working it real good, he just comes out looking like a pouting little dork. ;->
mo ghile meer
>Snuffy Wrote:
>>Watch him Chuck he's working up to dissing the POPS Awards
>Snuff, you are the apple of his eye, who said you loose your sex appeal after
>you retire?
>
no shit ewe artta see the old girls still competing for me not realizing I got
a no boffing rule for chicks over 28 or 30. :)
Jerry K.
complaining about something they're no longer involved and you ask
them why theyre not involved and they say something like nothing's
changed since they were involved and in the same sentence say that it
was better way back when? Except this complainer's been working it so
long he's having to recycle his material about every 6 weeks and
comes out looking like...well...few remember what he looks like-he's
too self conscious to show his face.
Still waiting for you to whip that hubris on me, oh revered Nationals
Multiple Medal Holder. Meeker? Diamond Bunyip? Exit grips? C'mon!
4way is for beginners, right?
Gee-I definitely bothering someone, yet.
...bsrp
...jlk
JimBo
>From: freeflyer free...@freeflyer.no
>You should know, you stalk him every chance you get.
>Have you realized yet, Jerry, that your behavior is becoming
>similar to that of TT (ie. obsessive)?
aaaahhhhhhhhh So someone else noticed.
jim
D-10154
Done a jump or two
Man small , why fall ? Skies call, thats all.
mo ghile meer
>free...@freeflyer.no
>
>>You should know, you stalk him every chance you get.
>>Have you realized yet, Jerry, that your behavior is becoming
>>similar to that of TT (ie. obsessive)?
>
>aaaahhhhhhhhh So someone else noticed.
>
>
>
>
> jim
>D-10154
>Done a jump or two
>
shhhhh the kids my wind dummy, I git development idea's about what bothers the
novices from watching him drift. For instance----->Coyotes not appearing on the
GU DZ's causes congregation fear & anger,....shit I may even quit going by the
cessna DZ's if its gonna piss the Sheepgods off! ;-> fang
Jack R. Ceman
>>Subject: Re: Container size guides
>>From: freeflyer free...@freeflyer.no
>
>>You should know, you stalk him every chance you get.
>>Have you realized yet, Jerry, that your behavior is becoming
>>similar to that of TT (ie. obsessive)?
>
>aaaahhhhhhhhh So someone else noticed.
>
How can you not notice, jimbo?
It is too bad, because his obsession with Snuffy has caused me to
ignore any post I see with his name on it. Has he contributed anything
to any of the real discussions in this group? I don't really know now,
because I ignore him. And if I see a thread with his and Snuff's
authorship following one another for who knows how many repetitions --
mark that thread 'read' and move on.
At least TT posts about something other than SDC once in a great
while.
TY
"Jack R. Ceman" wrote:
Doesn't everybody? I know I do the same thing.
mo ghile meer
>I know few who enjoy eviscerating, for the sake of least squares. Too much
>lost productivity.
>JK Wrote:
>>Let's just say that I enjoy watching self-styled personalities dig
>>themselves in deeper. Must be his AFF training.
sniker snicker....see how stupid the Novicegods are Chuck? He don't realize I'm
digging the hole for him <;>
Mr. Anonymous
>Nothing wrong with POPS-I'll be one myself in a few years. Funny that
>when you casually mention your
>numerous Nationals medals that you
>failed to mention the POPS aspect of >them. Seems you are embarrassed
>by that classification.
notttttttt: national is national to those in the know but yew ran down POPS
awards before trying to needle me, I just failed to mention they were POPS
awards to save ewe from making a young ass out of yourself again....Winning
them still means a lot to the older active skydivers still in the sport and ewe
might want to video pops events some day! ;-* fang
bring back..oh bring back the
PRU/kos to me! :)P
Mr. Anonymous
mowrote:
>why do they claim to remember me then? >Typical third party skydiver shit,
>If you weren't so self conscious you >would realize that when people
>remember other people they don't >automatically revert to what sort of
>expectations they might have ever had >about that person.
yeah maybe wuffo's do but were talking skydivers & specifically RW jumpers
here....its a hard disipline you have to depend on other people to fly their
slot, pull their load, everybody does a lot of jumps chasing excellence, some
never click in and git it just right, ego's are involved. Its a skydiver custom
to underate other average skydivers to make their own average skills seem
superior....its all quit human but pathalogical as hell! I even caught myself
doing it. :-> fang
Snuffy Smith
> On 17 Oct 2001 16:42:05 GMT, to...@aol.com (mo ghile meer) wrote:
>
> >I have to address this delguello issue also
> >because our relationship was not as bad as it seems.....THATS SKYDIVING!
>
> Nope, nothing to do with Deguello. You brought them up (while
> flailing out guesses, not me).
>
>
>
Yeah I did didn't I :) They were a big part of SPX the Leauge and
later HSC Waller So we were always around each other.....and a few
have e-mailed me that I
make them sound bad every time their mentioned. They go like
this---->"CUT IT OUT ASSHOLE!" hahahahahahahaha So I just wanted to
git in there, set the record straight and say their were a lot of good
people on the old 20-way deguello....the Parkers & Big Jane to mention
a few it was mostly the deguello wannabe's coming in to try out being
egged on by Rosie Burke that caused all the discontent in the old
days. But ewe fail to realize these deguello tryouts came from all
over the GU & down from Doc Lee's Region also. The little creeps wud
even buy white RW suits beforehand and wear them. So theirs a good
chance who ever ewe were talking to may have been one of the GU
Wannabe's whome I had needled pretty hard back when I was active.
Didn't ewe realize I might be a old asshole that bothered high strung
skydivers, even back then? :)~ fang
Snuffy Smith
> >mowrote:
> Natzi's made me renew. (theres a story of how Art taught me to come up with my
> yearly number WE THREW DICE & put a zero behind what came up! The last year I
> kept throwing snake eyes and Art ever superstious, cried) but fate intervened
> and Art & I died...I was resurected but had to retire before my trick on the > USPA fruitated
Gotta set this straight......Art wuddn't no sissyboy he didn't fling a
big boohoo like the deguello wannabe's, he just teared up like he had
something in his eye and his voice began quavering....he snatched the
dice up and said "If you say come on snake eyes one more time old
man!" :( damn I miss Art!!!!!!
Alan Binnebose
--
Blue Skies,
Alan Binnebose
"IB1" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
news:Dgcz7.7705$w5.4...@news.indigo.ie...
> so what is the differnece between a
> C19 and a D19 harness size??
>
JimBo
Jack says......
<snip>
all true buddy .
jim
D-10154
Done a jump or two
Man small , why fall ? Skies call, thats all.
IB1
thank you, someone who finally answers the question, rather than take over
the thread with useless ramblings...
now if i only knew what the yoke was....
"Alan Binnebose" <acbin...@tznet.com> wrote in message
news:8HIz7.1025727$ai2.77...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
mo ghile meer
>alan,
>
>thank you, someone who finally answers the question, rather than take over
>the thread with useless ramblings...
>
>now if i only knew what the yoke was....
>
dig thru the ramblins ewe might learn sumthing about equipment ( old :)
twit.....and.....and go visit a local equipment dealer and quit bothering flame
the old philosopher Ng with yer useless gear questions....all ewe need is a
container, main & reserve buy a groady & cheep surplus Dolphin or sweathog it
will match yer abilitys at this stage ;-> fang
Alan Binnebose
Think of it roughly as the distance between the shoulder straps or three
ring releases. The yoke is on you! Hahahaha! I made a funny!
--
Blue Skies,
Alan Binnebose
NHDZ #3 WI
"IB1" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
news:EpTz7.751$8s4....@news.indigo.ie...
freeflyer
> I look at it like this-when he writes something that I think is
> incorrect then I call him on it. When he brings me up in one of his
> rants, I respond to it.
BS. You "follow" him around every time he makes a post.
> Rare is the thread that I start that is directed in giving him a hard
> time but then, rare is the thread that I start, for that mattter.
Never said you started threads.
> Yet, you've determined my *reponses* to *his* posts as obsessive?
Yes. Doesn't look like I'm the only one either.
> Ask
> him about how often I've sent him email or something obsessive like
> that. Hell, I'm just responding. What's wrong, what's obsessive
> about that?
Find out how many posts you've made on the newsgroup and
then see how many of those are replies to a post by Snuffy.
I'm sure you'll see it eventually.
> See you at Eloy later on this week?
I wish! I'll be busy welcoming fall here in Norway. You have
some fun for me too though.
mo ghile meer
(CGilb39696) writes:
>JK Wrote:
>>Let's just say that I enjoy watching self-styled personalities dig
>>themselves in deeper. Must be his AFF training.
>>
>>...bsrp
HEY KID come over here and stand in this hole,
I need to see if it's deep enuff for ewe yet! ;-* fang
Wopping BIG....slow canopys
oSPX SL/OG 20+
mo ghile meer
where ever yewwwww are <eg>
Mr. Anonymous
mfging will last a long time, each has its points, each has drawbacks...it
boils down to personal taste. Parapak is slicker, that means a mite less drag
in the air, didn't matter in the old days cuz we flew on our bellys. Git with a
Rigger & tell him your jump style and main disipline interests thats more
important than material, don't want to try freak flying with certain kinds of
old RW rig designs..anyway....a rigger can help you a lot, not all skydivers
are out to fleece ewe...a few still give value for money.....see.....ewe shudda
been edjucating yourself about the people around ewe and you would have known
who to go to for help....twerp ;-*
bring back the old days
weed out the weak :)P
mo ghile meer
nothing wrong with that if ewe don't mind AFF/JM's
taking it away from ewe while yer standing in the bording area. I kin see it
now! a nakid novice waving goodby to the plane hehehehehehe :->
Jerry K.
wrote:
>Jerry K. wrote:
>
>> I look at it like this-when he writes something that I think is
>> incorrect then I call him on it. When he brings me up in one of his
>> rants, I respond to it.
>
>BS. You "follow" him around every time he makes a post.
No, that's not true-go back and check. I leae most of his stuff
alone-only when he gets it wrong or deals with me (or both). The,
sure-I'll nauil him on it. Go back and check.
>
>
>> Rare is the thread that I start that is directed in giving him a hard
>> time but then, rare is the thread that I start, for that mattter.
>
>Never said you started threads.
Then, what is so abhorrant about responding to him-particularly if I'm
brought up in name and what is so wrong about nailing him when he's
wrong?
>
>
>> Yet, you've determined my *reponses* to *his* posts as obsessive?
>
>Yes. Doesn't look like I'm the only one either.
And you think this might change my behavior-let alone even bother me?
Horrors! The Opinion of Others on an Electronic Newsgroup!
>
>> Ask
>> him about how often I've sent him email or something obsessive like
>> that. Hell, I'm just responding. What's wrong, what's obsessive
>> about that?
>
>Find out how many posts you've made on the newsgroup and
>then see how many of those are replies to a post by Snuffy.
>I'm sure you'll see it eventually.
Then you may as well check and see (since we're counting now) how many
posts (this is so lame) he may or may have directed towards me. Is
turnabout indeed fair play?
>
>
>> See you at Eloy later on this week?
>
>I wish! I'll be busy welcoming fall here in Norway. You have
>some fun for me too though.
Oh well-had a great deal of fun! Proud of my team!
...bsrp
...jlk
freeflyer
>
>>BS. You "follow" him around every time he makes a post.
>>
>
> No, that's not true-go back and check. I leae most of his stuff
> alone-only when he gets it wrong or deals with me (or both). The,
> sure-I'll nauil him on it. Go back and check.
Fine.
>>>Rare is the thread that I start that is directed in giving him a hard
>>>time but then, rare is the thread that I start, for that mattter.
>>>
>>Never said you started threads.
>>
>
> Then, what is so abhorrant about responding to him-particularly if I'm
> brought up in name and what is so wrong about nailing him when he's
> wrong?
Ever wonder why he brings you up by name? Or is it that you
just don't care?
>>>Yet, you've determined my *reponses* to *his* posts as obsessive?
>>>
>>Yes. Doesn't look like I'm the only one either.
>>
> And you think this might change my behavior-let alone even bother me?
> Horrors! The Opinion of Others on an Electronic Newsgroup!
Figured that you may not have noticed yourself, much as I
have done on occasion (that's why I have Alan around). Guess
you just have a weird sense of humor.
>>Find out how many posts you've made on the newsgroup and
>>then see how many of those are replies to a post by Snuffy.
>>I'm sure you'll see it eventually.
>>
>
> Then you may as well check and see (since we're counting now) how many
> posts (this is so lame) he may or may have directed towards me. Is
> turnabout indeed fair play?
"Ooooh...he used my name.
Can't...aarrgghh...help....mmphhh...myself...grrrrr...must...nnnngggggg...respond...aaaaaaaaaaaaa...now!!"
>>>See you at Eloy later on this week?
>>>
>>I wish! I'll be busy welcoming fall here in Norway. You have
>>some fun for me too though.
>
> Oh well-had a great deal of fun! Proud of my team!
Cool.
Jerry K.
wrote:
>
>Ever wonder why he brings you up by name? Or is it that you
>just don't care?
Well, I'm not a mind-reader but I think I'm pretty good at what drives
people. My *guess* is that he's just fishing and enjoys the
attention.
>
>Figured that you may not have noticed yourself, much as I
>have done on occasion (that's why I have Alan around). Guess
>you just have a weird sense of humor.
Well, I can't argue with that.
>>
>> Then you may as well check and see (since we're counting now) how many
>> posts (this is so lame) he may or may have directed towards me. Is
>> turnabout indeed fair play?
>
>"Ooooh...he used my name.
>Can't...aarrgghh...help....mmphhh...myself...grrrrr...must...nnnngggggg...respond...aaaaaaaaaaaaa...now!!"
ROFLMAO!
...bsrp
...jlk
freeflyer
>
>>Ever wonder why he brings you up by name? Or is it that you
>>just don't care?
>>
>
> Well, I'm not a mind-reader but I think I'm pretty good at what drives
> people. My *guess* is that he's just fishing and enjoys the
> attention.
Ask CRWMike to post his sign :o)
>>"Ooooh...he used my name.
>>Can't...aarrgghh...help....mmphhh...myself...grrrrr...must...nnnngggggg...respond...aaaaaaaaaaaaa...now!!"
>>
>
> ROFLMAO!
:o)
mo ghile meer
>
>Ever wonder why he brings you up by >name? Or is it that you
>just don't care?
>"Ooooh...he used my name.
>
>Can't...aarrgghh...help....mmphhh...
>myself...grrrrr...must...nnnngggggg...respond...aaaaaaaaaaaaa...now!!"
>
>
> ROFLMAO!
>:o)
>
>--
>Espen
>ALF#1
whar my wind dummy
jk/dink jk/dink jk/dink? hehehehrehehe ;-*
Wopping BIG....slow canopys
oSPX SL/OG 28+