Icarus Omega Canopy Info wanted
Glenn Lodge
tell what the performance is like? I.E.: packing, openings, flying
characteristics, landings?
Any info would be appreciated.
Glenn in the far far north
Michael A. Abbott
other ZP canopy. It turns pretty slow but I'm used to an eliptical of
similar size. Real fast forward speed for a 7 cell but it really has a
great flare. All in all, superior to the Triathelon in flight by quite a
bit.
Mike
Glenn Lodge wrote in message ...
Tina Marie
Glenn Lodge <glen...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>Precisions new Icarus Omega has been out for about 3 months. Can anyone
>tell what the performance is like? I.E.: packing, openings, flying
>characteristics, landings?
I jumped a 220 Omega at Quincy. I usually jump a 220 Triathalon.
I followed out a CRW load. Took about a 15 second delay (to take it
to terminal), then flew around in the vicinity of a 16-way diamond.
The opening was great - gentle, yet not too snivelly. Softer
then the Tri by a good margin. I had a bit of trouble figuring
out how to get the toggles undone and the slider stowed, but that
was just because I wasn't familiar with them and hadn't thought
to ask about them.
Here's what I _didn't_ like: The toggle pressure. It's high. Really
high. High enough that my arms were exhausted by 5000 ft, and I'm
used to doing much more maneuvering and not being tired.
The controls seem balanced, though - I couldn't budge the front
risers. :) I didn't try flying it in rear risers.
It was _fast_ - flew faster then a 190 Tri with the same suspended
weight, while being slightly more floaty. Flying around relative to
other canopies, it didn't seem to pick up much lift in deep brakes.
I only put one jump on it, so I didn't play with them near the
ground, but it felt like it probably couldn't make as steep an
accuracy approach as my Tri. But that might just be me...
I thought turns were sluggish, even with a wrap or two of brakes
around my hands.
Landing it was wonderful. I got a nice surf out of it without
even trying. I could have stood the landing up, but my arms were
just too tired to get that last bit of flare out of it - the canopy
obviously had the flare, I just didn't get it.
Overall:
Openings are nice. Landings are nice. With the high toggle
(and front riser) pressure, you're very unlikely to inadvertently
slam yourself into the ground under it, yet it's fast and surfs
well enough to impress the chicks :). I think it is a wonderful
just-off-student-status canopy for a freefaller.
However - I wouldn't trade my Tri for it. The Omega seems much
less versatle. I was tempted to try to dock on someone with
it, but after looking at the nose reinforcement on the ground, I'm
glad I didn't. It's certainly not appropriate for any except the
most casual CRW, and even then I'd worry about tearing the nose.
I'd also want to try sinking it into the peas before I bought one
if you're worried about having to land it off the airport in
tight spaces.
Since it was a demo, I didn't pack it - it is the slippery ZP,
though.
Anyway, it was fun to jump once, although I expected to be
more impressed then I was...
Tina Marie
--
An apostrophe does not mean, "Look out! Here comes an 's'!"
skydiver * PP-ASEL * http://www.neosoft.com/~tina
Chris Wagner
Precision and Aerodyne had tents close together at Quincy on the main drag and
it was pretty easy to see which parachute was more popular. Each time we
walked by I noticed not much happening at Precision's tent, but the Aerodyne
tent was jammin' every day non-stop.
Beer tent scuttlebutt was that Precision's packers quit after the first couple
of days because it was such a bitch to pack the Omega. I also overheard the
Precision rep say that they are still "tweaking" the final line trim on the
Omega. I must admit that neither of those bits of info inspired much
confidence in me.
The staff at Aerodyne's tent were great. It was a pleasure meeting Cliff,
Norman, Mike and Georgie. They all were very knowledgeable and very
enthusiastic about their product and gave excellent customer service.
I pretty much agree with Tina's assessment of the Omega vs Triathlon. I too
did not care for the Omega's high toggle pressure or sluggish turns. Flare of
the Omega was okay, a little better than a Spectre maybe, but not nearly as
good as the Triathlon.
After some scrutiny, it was obvious to me that the Triathlon was more refined,
versatile, and user-friendly than either the Omega or Spectre and clearly the
better choice. I bought the demo Triathlon 150 I jumped on-site. Love it!
Chris
Michael A. Abbott wrote:
> It opens great (nice and slow and on heading). Packing is about like any
> other ZP canopy. It turns pretty slow but I'm used to an eliptical of
> similar size. Real fast forward speed for a 7 cell but it really has a
> great flare. All in all, superior to the Triathelon in flight by quite a
> bit.
>
> Mike
>
> Glenn Lodge wrote in message ...
> >Precisions new Icarus Omega has been out for about 3 months. Can anyone
> >tell what the performance is like? I.E.: packing, openings, flying
> >characteristics, landings?
> >
William Pham
most ZP canopies. The openings are soft and on heading, much slower than a
triathalon. It's nice and stable. I haven't been able to stall it. It has
a really fast forward speed for a 7-cell. Turns are pretty quick also.
Front riser pressure is typical for a 7-cell. Rear riser pressure is good.
It has a great flare and a good surf. Landings are great. I've tried all
the other 7cells out there and I think it's a superior canopy by far.
Delivery time is fairly quick-5 weeks.
Fred Greeson
As a new and used gear dealer I get to jump just about everything that
comes down the road. I read Chri W's reply to your post and had to as
myself what planet does he live on? Or is he one of Cliff's employees.
I've jumped both canopies in a number of different sizes and can tell you
that without any doubt the Omega outproforms the Tri in every respect.
When Aerodyne disigned the Tri, basically all they did was take the stock
standard old seven cell design and cap over part of the nose. Precision,
on the other hand did all the necessary R&D to completely overhaul the
geometry of the wing. If you're into 7 cells and want the best all-
around day-in-day-out parachute your money can buy, I suggest that you
have only one choice..."THE OMEGA"
Fred Greeson D9497
GW Galloway
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Hi Chris,
What a bummer to hear your unnsessary and incorrect comments on the
news group about the Omega just to make your Triathalon look good.
Jyro and I read your comments with great curiosity, almost as if we
and you attended different "Quincys".
We are really pleased for you if you like your Triathalon, it's a
fine parachute and enjoys the success it deserves.
On the other hand your poison pen comments regarding the Omega
(activity level, parachute design, and packers) were absolutely
incorrect and outright untrue. The design of the Omega is complete,
and we are very proud of everything about the Omega canopy.
We had the busiest year ever at Quincy and we put more demo
canopies into theair than ever. Our packers stayed very busy
through the entire event, and did not stop until after the last
load of the last day. In fact, we were still putting out demos on
Sunday long after most other manufacturers had left.
Although you are certainly entitled to express your opinion, your
comments were absolutely incorrect and unnessary. I cant imagine
what motivated you to say the things you said. I feel you should
have your facts straight before you use incorrect information to
denagrate our product especially in such a public way.
As the designer of the Omega Jyro was also surprised in your
assesment of the canopy and wondered if you where jumping a
comparable size to come up with this opinion.
We hope you enjoy your Triathalon.
George Galloway
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"If you can pack all of those parachutes, then you can fold your own
shirts and make up your own bed"! [What Mom told me when I was still
living at home at age 23, absolutely obsessed with skydiving] c.1972
George Galloway <g...@precision.net> http://precision.aerodynamics.com
Precision Aerodynamics 423-949-4688 Parachute Industry Assn V Pres
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Michael A. Abbott
my cypres was having it's battery replaced. You didn't have to do that but
just helped out a skydiver in a bind. I liked the canopy and will be able
to tell people at my DZ about it now. You really made an impression on me
about customer service and I'm glad I jump a Precision product (Batwing).
Keep up the great work and keep the new products coming!
Mike
GW Galloway wrote in message <35DB21D1...@precision.net>...
JJ
The man asked for opinions and Chris and Tina gave theirs.
You sure come accross as a thin-skinned jerk by slamming the guy just
because he doesn't like your parachute. If my memory serves, this is
not the first time your bad temper has gotten the best of you here on
rec.sd.
This is a news group where people get to say what they think. That's
called freedom, and it is a *good* thing. Maybe instead of teaming up
with your buddy Fred Greeson and tearing the guys nuts off you ought to
consider whether any of Chris or Tinas very-similar comments have any
merit. If they do then be a man, own up to your product's short-comings
and fix the problem. If he/she is full of shit and you do have the
greatest parachute ever made then it should be easy to let one mans
comments slide by only to be drowned out by all your satisfied
customers.
Hard as it may be for your apparently fragile ego to take, different
folks do like different strokes.
Don't be such a friggin' puss.
JJ
JJ
If, in desperation to sell one's wares, a man must resort to slandering the
competition--then the battle of public perception is already hopelessly lost.
JJ
GW Galloway
> George,
>
> The man asked for opinions and Chris and Tina gave theirs.
You are right, JJ. He did and they did. I have alot of respect for
Tina and her opinions even though she did not like the canopy she
demoed as much as the one she usually jumps. That's fine, and I
enjoyed meeting and talking with her. No problem.
Chris, otoh, stated several things which plain are not true. I was
simply responding to clarify his misunderstanding of the facts
regarding our packers, state of the design, and the level of
activity at the event.
Regarding Fred Greeson, he is on his own windline and he certainly
does not represent my thoughts on _anything_ (although I have
known him for 25 years, and we generally disagree on most things,
except he happens to have excellent taste in fine parachutes)...
and, yes, even FG is entitled to his opinion on this forum.... God
help us all.
Regarding your comment about my posts historically on rec.sd, maybe
you are talking about an old friend and current competitor of
mine... (I'm smiling here, are you?)
Rhonda Lea
>because he doesn't like your parachute. If my memory serves, this is
>not the first time your bad temper has gotten the best of you here on
>rec.sd.
I read the post, and I didn't notice that George was slamming the guy. It does
seem to me that he did, however, dispute the "facts" as presented. Because
those "facts" appeared to be more a dig at Precision than a reflection of
reality, I got the feeling that the original poster had an agenda. George's
correction of the factual errors in the original post seemed quite mild.
I didn't not notice that George took Tina Marie to task for her report. I did
notice that Tina's report was factual.
And George did not, in any way, denigrate the Triathlon.
Please do not confuse George with Fred. And if you can point to a time that
George's "bad temper" has gotten the best of him in this forum, I'd like to see
the post. I've been reading this newsgroup for 4 years, and I have read the
archives as far back as they go. I would hate to think I'd missed something as
exciting and unusual as George having a hissy fit. (I do remember that he once
got mad at Fred, but I wouldn't call it a case of his temper getting the best
of him. More like he gave Fred a spanking that he richly deserved.)
Finally, just so you know exactly where I'm coming from, I didn't go to Quincy,
but George sent a "Raven Saves" tee shirt back to me with some friends because
one of those friends had a reserve ride on my rig. I have good reason to be
very happy with my Raven, but my main canopy is a Triathlon, and my next canopy
with be a Triathlon too.
Rhonda Lea Kirk
Hightstown, NJ
609.443.3155
____________________
The only thing that makes life worth living is the willingness to
risk everything. Unless you risk everything, you don't have a life.
Roger Payne
ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com
> because he doesn't like your parachute.
Uh, not if you actually READ what was written. George was
commenting on FACTUAL errors. And actually, he could have slammed
the hell out of him but didn't. I thought he showed extreme
restaint.
> If my memory serves, this is
> not the first time your bad temper has gotten the best of you here on
> rec.sd.
Your memory sucks (I'm not a gear manufacturer, I can talk
like that). George, for all his opportunities, has always managed
to find a way to contribute around here without sticking his keyboard
in his mouth. Something most of us can't seem to manage, and definitely
one that most gear manufacturers seem to have trouble with.
Regardless of what George may actually say, and regardless of
what he probably thinks of me and my stuff, I have to say, George
manages to post around here without pissing off reasonable
customers, without damaging his company's or product's reputation,
and yet NOT sounding like just another PR department press release.
And you can actually get a technical response from the guy if you
ask... on OR offline. Other than a momentary exposed sensitivity to
some boy named Bill, he has fairly consistently set an example
around here for manufacturers to emulate.
[dnip]
> Don't be such a friggin' puss.
[snip]
Nah, too easy.
Kevin O'Connell
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>If, in desperation to sell one's wares, a man must resort to slandering the
>competition--then the battle of public perception is already hopelessly lost.
>JJ
Hey kid life is tuff but ewe gotta shake any
negative shit off and go on. if ewe doan it
will be hell to the end. Try to luv the unlovable and laff at human folly. I
luved
skydiving more than life becuz it magnifies
life, people and time. If enuff people cud
look into their own hearts inssteda looking
at other peoples flaw's it wud be a better
world. But that wud put the Coyote outta
business. I am torn between jubbeing anal
people and wishing they wuz more happy.
Skydiving is a joy becuz of people like
Fred, Martin Evans and the many others
that work at gitting people in the air. No one
is totally useless, even the Sheep. Ahhhhh
the sheep, my reason for living, ;-P snuffy
P.S. as hard as sum people work at makking
money on skydiving I think the bottom line
may be red ink. Thuts why I allway's just
tryed to huv fun. Blues, be safe and huv
a prozac give the bottle to Fred. ;-) snuffy sez
doan give up on life jus exlax sum. ;-P
Cris G
>George's "bad temper" has gotten the best of him in this forum, I'd like to
>see
>the post.
If George didn't lose his temper with me, he won't lose it with anyone. :)
Rhonda, I'm sorry you couldn't make it to the convention. Marvin just isn't
fun when he's alone anymore.
Blue something or other.
Keith Abner
i was doing, but i got very little flare out of it coming straight in.
Jumped my Batwing 153 next jump, same landing area, and had a much better
flare. Jumped the Stilleto 150 later that day. The Batwing seems to turn
faster; the Stilleto has a stronger flare on the front end, whereas the
Batwing seems to take a little more finesse.
I don't hook, so i don't get alot of forward speed on landing which may be
changing the landing characteristics. All three canopies opened softly and
on heading.
Still jumping my Monarch 175 for most skydives, because i trust it more than
an elliptical (especially with a camera)..if i could just get it to open a
little softer :) Don't like a slow-opening canopy on these "Don't open
above 2000ft" skydives :)
Thanks for letting me demo!
Keith Abner
sky...@nc5.infi.net
http://www.nc5.infi.net/~skydivr/Quincy98
Bill Von Novak
> Fred Greeson wrote:
>
> > Hi Glenn,
> > As a new and used gear dealer I get to jump just about everything that
> > comes down the road. I read Chri W's reply to your post and had to as
> > myself what planet does he live on? Or is he one of Cliff's employees.
> > I've jumped both canopies in a number of different sizes and can tell
you
> > that without any doubt the Omega outproforms the Tri in every respect.
the omega is a great canopy, but there are still situations where i'd
rather have a triathalon - demos, turbulent air, and off-DZ landings. the
omega is higher performance than the tri in several areas, but high
performance does not equal a better canopy for all situations.
> > When Aerodyne disigned the Tri, basically all they did was take the
stock
> > standard old seven cell design and cap over part of the nose.
Precision,
> > on the other hand did all the necessary R&D to completely overhaul the
> > geometry of the wing.
reality check here - precision did not design the omega. jyro did.
precision just bought the rights to it.
-bill von
frefa...@aol.com
> You sure come accross as a thin-skinned jerk by slamming the guy just
> because he doesn't like your parachute. If my memory serves, this is
> not the first time your bad temper has gotten the best of you here on
> rec.sd.
As Kevin said, your memory sucks.
> This is a news group where people get to say what they think. That's
> called freedom, and it is a *good* thing. Maybe instead of teaming up
> with your buddy Fred Greeson and tearing the guys nuts off
If Fred's post fit your definition of "tearing nuts off" then you
are the one who is thin-skinned. To the extreme.
you ought to
> consider whether any of Chris or Tinas very-similar comments have any
> merit. If they do then be a man, own up to your product's short-comings
> and fix the problem.
You need to work on your reading comprehension.
George's beef was with the factual errors of the original post.
George had every right to dispute the original post because
it *did* contain factual errors. I was at the Precision tent
and can attest to the level of activity, the number of packers,
etc. I thought George's response was very appropriate and
very diplomatic considering the tone of the original post.
> Hard as it may be for your apparently fragile ego to take, different
> folks do like different strokes.
>
> Don't be such a friggin' puss.
>
> JJ
The tone (and absurdity) of your posts make you sound like
someone with a personal agenda.
Seeya.
Marc
Thomas Kerler
> the omega is a great canopy, but there are still situations where i'd
> rather have a triathalon - demos, turbulent air, and off-DZ landings.
agree with that!! i dunno anything about the omega and until the beginning
of this year i thought of my triathlon as just a decent canopy. But then
i really learned to appreciate and love it:
Jumping a less familiar DZ, a very long spot and me not watching my
spot, @-(, i suddenly found myself over a larger and densely populated
residential area. Busy streets, powerlines, and people had nothing but trees
in their backyards. In hindsight i might have made a slightly, but not much,
better choice of landing area, but i ended up having to land in an about
30 by 70 feet area of a dead end street, with powerlines, trees, houses and
more powerlines around. My Tri gave me a perfect stand-up landing right
where i needed it - i cannot say what would have happened with a high
performance canopy in that situation and i don't want to try to imagine it.
oh and i sure as hell counted that jump for by D-license accuracy requirements
.... motivation is everything :^)
--
Blue Skies, Thomas D-20874
http://www.osu.edu/students/skydiving/
http://www.skydiveohio.com/
Some Basic RW-Skills:"... To be more to the point: If you
don't have anything positive to say, then say nothing.
If you cannot come across with good vibes, then keep the
negative things to yourself. Don't spit in the soup that
you'll have to eat later. ..."
Pat Works (The Art of Freefall Relative Work)
kleggo
JJ <skydv...@aol.com> wrote in article <35DBA6A1...@aol.com>...
> George,
>
>
> You sure come accross as a thin-skinned jerk by slamming the guy just
> because he doesn't like your parachute. If my memory serves, this is
> not the first time your bad temper has gotten the best of you here on
> rec.sd.
[snip]
either you are unable to read and comprehend the post that you attached to
your post.
or
you are very dazed and confused.
kleggo
Rhonda Lea
Interesting observation.
Y'know, Cris, it's a funny thing too, because I didn't even have a reserve
ride; Marvin had a reserve ride on my rig and *I* got a tee
shirt...hand-delivered from George via Marvin.
But George is a sport. :)
>Rhonda, I'm sorry you couldn't make it to the convention. Marvin just isn't
>fun when he's alone anymore.
Would you care to be a little more specific? Rumor has it that Marvin wasn't
alone very often. <insert smirky face> If I weren't spoken for, he'd make my
toes curl. <insert two smirky faces>
Rhonda Lea Kirk
____________________
If your mind is empty, it is always ready for anything; it is open to
everything. In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities; in the
expert's mind there are few.
Zen Master Shunryu Suzuki
GW Galloway
> reality check here - precision did not design the omega. jyro did.
> precision just bought the rights to it.
>
Reality check here... Precision did not "just buy the rights to it",
Jyro is an integral part of Precision Aerodynamics, as he has been
for the past 18 months. He is very much a hands-on designer who
contributes to Precision on a daily basis. When he's not here he has
full access Precision's Design Server from wherever he is in the
world. He is a true genius, and I am very proud and honored to be
associated with him and to produce his designs.
Wait 'til you see the prototypes we are jumping now... shall we just
say... beyond EXTreme? Still a long way from market perhaps, but,
well, time will tell all... Stay tuned.
--
FREFALLGUY
>Wait 'til you see the prototypes we are >jumping now... shall we just say...
beyond >EXTreme? Still a long way from market >perhaps, but, well, time will
tell all... Stay >tuned.
I volunteer my services George, if you need any test jumpers! ;-)
Marc
Bill Von Novak
Chris Wagner <cwa...@msn.com> wrote in article
<35DA6829...@msn.com>...
> Beer tent scuttlebutt was that Precision's packers quit after the first
couple
> of days because it was such a bitch to pack the Omega. I also overheard
the
> Precision rep say that they are still "tweaking" the final line trim on
the
> Omega. I must admit that neither of those bits of info inspired much
> confidence in me.
hmm . . i heard neither one, and i talked to several people about both
canopies. perhaps you overheard that beezy took a day off from packing to
participate in the 20 way competition? i packed the omega i jumped and it
seemed about the same as any other new slick-fabric ZP canopy - slippery,
but nothing new to people used to sabres and monarchs.
> I pretty much agree with Tina's assessment of the Omega vs Triathlon. I
too
> did not care for the Omega's high toggle pressure or sluggish turns.
Flare of
> the Omega was okay, a little better than a Spectre maybe, but not nearly
as
> good as the Triathlon.
i thought the flare was better on the omega, though you had to get deeper
into the brakes to find it. toggle pressure seemed similar to my tri 135,
certainly not noticeably more.
> After some scrutiny, it was obvious to me that the Triathlon was more
refined,
> versatile, and user-friendly than either the Omega or Spectre and clearly
the
> better choice.
to me, the triathalon is better-behaved, though perhaps slightly lower
performance, than either the spectre or the omega. so i'd agree with that
statement, although i don't know if it's the best choice for everyone. i
think someone who wants something closer to a stiletto would be happier
with an omega than a triathalon.
-bill von
JJskysuits
>
>The man asked for opinions and Chris and Tina gave theirs.
>
<snip>
>JJ
JJ,
At no time did George "slam" either of them for having an opinion, rather, he
gave them congrats for it! He did, however, have a problem with the
non-opinion related stuff (bad rumors). I too, have a problem with that,
opinions are great, but stating untruths in order to slander, are well, bad!
Please be careful with that sig, it has a good reputation!!! : )
JJ
SKY...@ix.netcom.com
JJskysuits wrote:
I'm confused! I know a bunch of JJ's, every time I log onto this newsgroup and
there's a post from a JJ. I think I know which JJ it is and I reply. Then I start
to have doubts as to whether or not I've mixed up my JJ's. I can't sleep, when I
do I wake up sweating, what if I've confused my JJ's, will the JJ I meant to
reply to be pissed that I'm not communicating with him and the JJ I've confused
him with want to punch my lights out because I started my post with ' Hi you
squirly little faggot, how they hanging'? When will this madness stop, which JJ
is the real JJ and who decided that? For the sake of my sanity (which is already
stretched taut) please make it clear JJ you are.
There is only one Carbone (thank god), one Rhonda Lea (ditto), one Manos and one
JP but there are a million freaking JJ's, 'give us a break will ya'!
;-)
Blue ones.
Martin.
--
"Never confuse movement with action". Ernest Hemingway
JJskysuits
>When will this madness stop, which JJ
>is the real JJ and who decided that? For the sake of my sanity (which is
>already
>stretched taut) please make it clear JJ you are.
Martin,
You should know (or is your memory starting to go? If so, we all know what
already has left!) that I am the one, the only, the original JJ, and all others
are just imposters and wanna-be's. The imposters know that the original is
sooooo cool, that they want to be just like him, so to start out, they take on
his nickname! : )
To tell me from the others, who made your existence slightly miserable every
year at Turkey Meet in Z-Hills in the late 80s? I'll give you a hint, I'm a
cameraman, & build jumpsuits...
BTW, you never did answer when I asked if Tracy was your daughter...
blueskywethighs!!!
JJ
SKY...@ix.netcom.com
JJskysuits wrote:
> Martin Evans (thank god there is only one of those) said:
>
> >When will this madness stop, which JJ
> >is the real JJ and who decided that? For the sake of my sanity (which is
> >already
> >stretched taut) please make it clear JJ you are.
>
> Martin,
>
> To tell me from the others, who made your existence slightly miserable every
> year at Turkey Meet in Z-Hills in the late 80s?
but you didn't take us out every year!
> I'll give you a hint, I'm a
> cameraman, & build jumpsuits...
Oh Yeah, the fat one with no hair!
> BTW, you never did answer when I asked if Tracy was your daughter...
and you never said whether Robert was your husband.......
BS
Martin.
P.S. You still making those porno films?
:-) :-)
SKY...@ix.netcom.com
JJskysuits wrote:
> OLD Martin said while groaning about finding his cane...
>
> >but you didn't take us out every year!
>
> Didn't have to, you did a fine job of that by yerself...Glad you got those
> glasses thou,
Always had 'em on while you were around, had to protect my retina's from butt ugly
cameramen!
> you stopped taking your own formations out after you got em!
JJ, if you're going to get into a pissing contest you should make sure *that what
your holding has some substance*, fact can't be argued with but
fantasy............but if that's the way you choose to live dream on!
> BTW, did you ever complete a 40 way?
If you weren't suffering from old-timers disease you would remember that we
amalgamated with Jakes 20 way team and did win!
> The Muff Bros always did, and always
> finished ahead of your team!
One time doesn't constitute all, though if you ever had sex with a human that
would be *all over for humanity*!
> Come to think of it, so did the PLL...
You've lost me here............and your not even filming!
> >Oh Yeah, the fat one with no hair!
> >
>
> No, that was Pink Floyd. Your memory is really fading...
No, I was right the first time, he was the one on the bike, you were the fat one
with no hair!
> >and you never said whether Robert was your husband.......
> >
>
> Nope, wrong again, old (but not so wise) one... He was a wanna-be, but never
> made it to "JJ" status.
> guess your camerasuit business is thriving without him eh! I think I saw one
> once in Eloy..........although come to think of it the wings were off and some
> young headdowner was wearing it!
> I suppose you will have to reply to this (hohumm...)
but of course!
> Go ahead old one,
Well it's unlikely that I'm older than you in reality but unless you've lost 50lbs
since I saw you last I'm sure as hell in better shape!
> make my
> day!
if this is what does it for you, you're in a worse condition than I was told!
Ain't this fun!
However, if we're going to continue with this it would be nice to know what
brought it all about, I always thought you had a crush on me!
BS
C'ya!
Martin
;-)
JJskysuits
>but you didn't take us out every year!
Didn't have to, you did a fine job of that by yerself...Glad you got those
glasses thou, you stopped taking your own formations out after you got em!
BTW, did you ever complete a 40 way? The Muff Bros always did, and always
finished ahead of your team! Come to think of it, so did the PLL...
>Oh Yeah, the fat one with no hair!
>
No, that was Pink Floyd. Your memory is really fading...
>and you never said whether Robert was your husband.......
>
Nope, wrong again, old (but not so wise) one... He was a wanna-be, but never
made it to "JJ" status.
I suppose you will have to reply to this (hohumm...) Go ahead old one, make my
day!
blueskywethighs!!!
JJ
JJskysuits
>Ain't this fun!
>
>However, if we're going to continue with this it would be nice to know what
>brought it all about,
It's has always been fun to mess with ya, ya ol' Limey! See ya soon!
JJ