dublin boogie
peanut4040
damn good boogie in Dublin GA this month.
This one's going to be a good one,,,, I don't know if we will be
welcome back next year. But I wouldnt want to miss THIS one if I was
yall.
Jerry K.
Yo - I might be out there if we get enough people to send one of the
otters - no shit - I'll give you the heads up.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
gallon, bring yankee greenbacks but buy with cdn dollar and you get
more gas for you money USAP...maybe somebody see one of your ficticious
$15 lift tickets then kid----besides CSJA peoples will be glad to teach
you spotting while you up there ftreezing your USAP ass off, maybe
so....what you think about that kid? ;-*
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>send that Otter to Moosejaw, our Imperial gallon is bigger than the US
>gallon, bring yankee greenbacks but buy with cdn dollar and you get
>more gas for you money USAP...
Yeah, but there's still the issue of the jumpers having to spend more
on lift-tickets once they got there. Few would fly in an otter all
the way up there when they can make the same amount of jumps here for
less money.
>maybe somebody see one of your ficticious
>$15 lift tickets then kid----
http://www.skydivehouston.com/
Right there on the front page. Unlike you, I ain't pretending what I
say is gospell.
>besides CSJA peoples will be glad to teach
>you spotting while you up there ftreezing your USAP ass off,
No need - we just spend a few minutes describing Jinnie's spotting
ability and his date with tarmac destiny and they make a point to
learn. "Remember - there but for the grace of thinking things
through, might go you."
>maybe
>so....what you think about that kid? ;-*
I think anyone who showed up at Moosejaw and mentioned your
jonny-pee-pee personna would be met with either, "You mean the
dingleberry on the newsgroup - he doesn't exist," or "Who?"
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 2 Mar 2005 22:45:56 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >send that Otter to Moosejaw, our Imperial gallon is bigger than the
US
> >gallon, bring yankee greenbacks but buy with cdn dollar and you get
> >more gas for you money USAP...
>
> Yeah, but there's still the issue of the jumpers having to spend more
> on lift-tickets once they got there. Few would fly in an otter all
> the way up there when they can make the same amount of jumps here for
> less money.
You really having trouble understanding exchange rates eh kid,
hard to tell if you retarded or just obtuse, probably both
>
> >maybe somebody see one of your ficticious
> >$15 lift tickets then kid----
>
> http://www.skydivehouston.com/
>
> Right there on the front page. Unlike you, I ain't pretending what I
> say is gospell.
>
Yeah, that bookmark be a USAP advertizement, Tandems seem on high end,
using them to supplement the hop and pop program eh?
Why not ask the DZO to join SDA 1-800-SKYDIVE scam then maybe put in
used car lot on the side. After all U SAP DZ's is about profit
and not the sport nes pah?
> >besides CSJA peoples will be glad to teach
> >you spotting while you up there ftreezing your USAP ass off,
>
> No need - we just spend a few minutes describing Jinnie's spotting
> ability and his date with tarmac destiny and they make a point to
> learn. "Remember - there but for the grace of thinking things
> through, might go you."
>
> >maybe
> >so....I think you cain't cold weather jump what you think about that
kid? ;-*
>
> I think anyone who showed up at Moosejaw and mentioned your
> jonny-pee-pee personna would be met with either, "You mean the
> dingleberry on the newsgroup - he doesn't exist," or "Who?"
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
I think anyone showing up at the Moosejaw airport to jump this time of
year would be Canadian-not U SAP sissy ;)
be informed
>I think anyone showing up at the Moosejaw airport to jump this time of
>year would be Canadian-not U SAP sissy ;)
You are ABSOLUTELY right considering the Moose Jaw Airport is actually
in Canada.
MOOSE JAW, SASKATCHEWAN
CANADA
http://www.skydivesouthsask.ca/
http://www.becquet.com/director/maps/Saskatchewan_South.htm
That is the province directly north of Montana and North Dakota.
the unknown flailer
Have not been following the squabble eh? that was clear in the
beginning-
well you better off for it-follow our running battles and you will be
brain dead before you know it----I'm 69 and Jerry the U SAP member is
30 something, if you have ever delt with cranky old men when young you
know how that goes...Canada. USA. Spain no mater when old has beens
start bumping 70 they hassle know it all punks with out of date
philosophy OK thanks for the input have a nice week ;) JPO
JPO
Yo youself liar, you causing J.E. to kick me off his google account,
say I teaching you to much how to think.
ATTN Dublin boogers
I ask J.E. (Snuffy) Smith if Jerry has push about getting otter, he say
no Jerry is just another long haired young hanger on around the Houston
Area DZ's trying to pass himself off as video staff----SO DON'T EXPECT
HIM TO COME WITH OTTER....I pretty sure Dublin has laid some kind of
twin on...dunno you cain't be telling with U SAP skydivers 85% of US
Citizens liars since baby boomers take over the US leadership according
to Readers Digest, last honest Americans alive was born in the the
1930's....I hazard the guess that percentage is near 100% lieing in
USPA HAHAHAHAHAHA Regards Jon Pierre
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Well, in this case I think it's more of a someone who never was as
opposed to a simple has been spouting self-affirming rhetoric and
getting busted when he gets it wrong. As for older people and
philosophies, I would say it's not a fair assessment or even an
accurate one to suggest that all people when they reach a certain age
are prone to gurgling statements which prove to be quite the opposite
of how things actually are. Sure, people get things wrong from time
to time but most people, at least in my experience, young and old,
when they do get something wrong, they learn from it and move on. Not
you, though - unless you'd care to admit your ignorance (or
endorsement of inflation) for your earlier suggestion that someone is
poor and to be pitied because they "have to pay US prices" to skydive
in the US when they could be in Canada paying Canadian prices?
What's it gonna be? Gonna face the facts and chalk this one down to
perhaps considering doing better homework the next time you're tempted
to talk about something in which you are only guessing or will it be
the same old line of name-calling, subject changes, invective,
misinterpretation, and rationalization - all sprinkled with a good
dose of self-affirming rhetoric? I'm betting on the latter.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 2 Mar 2005 22:45:56 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >send that Otter to Moosejaw, our Imperial gallon is bigger than the
>US
>> >gallon, bring yankee greenbacks but buy with cdn dollar and you get
>> >more gas for you money USAP...
>>
>> Yeah, but there's still the issue of the jumpers having to spend more
>> on lift-tickets once they got there. Few would fly in an otter all
>> the way up there when they can make the same amount of jumps here for
>> less money.
>
>You really having trouble understanding exchange rates eh kid,
>hard to tell if you retarded or just obtuse, probably both
No, it is you having the problem - it's pretty easy to understand.
$30 Canadian equates to $24 US. $30 Canadian will get you one jump
and no change at Gananoque in Canada. The same $30 Canadian, once
exchanged for $24 US, its equivalent, will get you one jump with
change back at DZ's in the US. Hence, it costs more to jump in Canada
and the exchange rates, prove this out. Now, after all of that hard
and incontravertable evidence you still maintain that someone is poor
and to be pitied for having to pay US rates, which are provenly less,
to jump in the US then, you are the retarded one in this conversation.
>>
>> >maybe somebody see one of your ficticious
>> >$15 lift tickets then kid----
>>
>> http://www.skydivehouston.com/
>>
>> Right there on the front page. Unlike you, I ain't pretending what I
>> say is gospell.
>>
> Yeah, that bookmark be a USAP advertizement,
For a dz you jumped at btw but that is beside the point. Can you
still say that lift tickets for $15 US, in the US are ficticious?
>Tandems seem on high end,
>using them to supplement the hop and pop program eh?
And back we go to to another price comparison between Canada and the
US - this time for tandems...
Gananoque - tandem from 13.5K advertised on their site for $235
Canadian, $195 US which is interesting because that's what they
advertise when the exchange rate paints the $235 Canadian into $189 US
- could it be the Canadians are trying to rip people off? Now, let's
look at a price for a tandem in the US.
Waller - $179 US from the same altitude. Hmmm - tandems might very
well seem on the high end but when you compare it to the price for a
tandem in Canada, it is the Candian price which inhabits this high
end. Wanna try again?
>Why not ask the DZO to join SDA 1-800-SKYDIVE scam then maybe put in
>used car lot on the side.
Well, what with Canada apparently charging more for lift-tickets *and*
tandems than they do in the US, there's no need - people will, how
you've said, "vote with their feet."
>After all U SAP DZ's is about profit
>and not the sport nes pah?
Nevermind the illustration above which suggests that Gananoque
advertises on their site tandems for $235 Canadian and $195 US when
the exchange rate actually renders this $235 Canadian down to $189 US.
It ain't the dz's here trying to dick customers out of six dollars
during a simple money exchange, nevermind their tandems still cost
more than the same in the US. Now, who between the two is angling for
the profit, eh?
>> >besides CSJA peoples will be glad to teach
>> >you spotting while you up there ftreezing your USAP ass off,
>>
>> No need - we just spend a few minutes describing Jinnie's spotting
>> ability and his date with tarmac destiny and they make a point to
>> learn. "Remember - there but for the grace of thinking things
>> through, might go you."
>>
>> >maybe
>> >so....I think you cain't cold weather jump what you think about that
>kid? ;-*
I think that I certainly can "cold weather jump" as I have often in
the past but I prefer it warmer, as do most people. That said, beside
the point - I'm thinking, given how the spot on your last jump went,
that you can't spot worth a shit, nevermind thinking things through.
What you think about that, Jin?
>>
>> I think anyone who showed up at Moosejaw and mentioned your
>> jonny-pee-pee personna would be met with either, "You mean the
>> dingleberry on the newsgroup - he doesn't exist," or "Who?"
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>I think anyone showing up at the Moosejaw airport to jump this time of
>year would be Canadian-not U SAP sissy
Then tell us why you were exhorting,
"send that Otter to Moosejaw, our Imperial gallon is bigger than the
US gallon, bring yankee greenbacks but buy with cdn dollar and you get
more gas for you money USAP..."
when you've already concluded anyone showing up there would be
Canadian, considering the otter and the jumpers in it would be flying
from the US?
...bsrp
...jlk
JPO
> endorsement of inflation) for your earlier suggestion that someone is
> poor and to be pitied because they "have to pay US prices" to skydive
> in the US when they could be in Canada paying Canadian prices?
> What's it gonna be? Gonna face the facts and chalk this one down to
> perhaps considering doing better homework the next time you're
tempted
> to talk about something in which you are only guessing or will it be
> the same old line of name-calling, subject changes, invective,
> misinterpretation, and rationalization - all sprinkled with a good
> dose of self-affirming rhetoric? I'm betting on the latter.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
It's the exchange rate you little retard----still don't get it do you?
The US Dollar is stronger than the Canadian----it goes farther. Shit
you young throw money at SAPS have caused inflation down there----all
I'm saying is come give some of your greenbacks to the CSPA DZ's, save
a buck or two every jump....leave you snot attitudes at home
though----Ah hell just forget about it and send the money to Ottawa we
don't want you corrupting our youth....NOW PISS OFF AND QUIT WHINING U
SAP skydiver ;-*
JPO
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 3 Mar 2005 09:11:56 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >be informed wrote:
> >> >I think anyone showing up at the Moosejaw airport to jump this
time
> >of
> >> >year would be Canadian-not U SAP sissy ;)
> >>
> >> You are ABSOLUTELY right considering the Moose Jaw Airport is
> >actually
> >> in Canada.
> >>
> >> MOOSE JAW, SASKATCHEWAN
> >> CANADA
> >> http://www.skydivesouthsask.ca/
> >>
> >> http://www.becquet.com/director/maps/Saskatchewan_South.htm
> >> That is the province directly north of Montana and North Dakota.
> >
> >Have not been following the squabble eh? that was clear in the
Gettin to you Ami? JUMP CANADA, save a buck OK except at one place, it
appears we have one Yuppie DZ up here and Jerry a charter member of U
SAP is freaked over it....ummmm life is sooooooo good ;) Everybody else
in Texas have a nice day Regards JPO
JPO
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 3 Mar 2005 04:28:08 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 2 Mar 2005 22:45:56 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >send that Otter to Moosejaw, our Imperial gallon is bigger than
the
> >US
> >> >gallon, bring yankee greenbacks but buy with cdn dollar and you
get
> >> >more gas for you money USAP...
> >>
> >> Yeah, but there's still the issue of the jumpers having to spend
more
> >> on lift-tickets once they got there. Few would fly in an otter
all
> >> the way up there
Damn right not south Texas divers when the average ground tempature up
there is -15 for the last few days....Whatyou think I'm doing down here
on J.E.'s back 40? The RV world calls us Snowbirds
> >>
> >> http://www.skydivehouston.com/
> >>
> >> Right there on the front page. Unlike you, I ain't pretending
what I
> >> say is gospell.
J.E, says there is always a catch on cheap otter loads in Texas since
the first Otter appeared at the old Leauge City DZ. Always a catch---I
notice they didn't announce it on the web page---Have to Manifest
before 8 am, buy block tickets Jump on wensdays or thursdays, bring a
knockout chick and have her show titty. polish the DZO's knob what ia
it? Some kind of hook is involved I betcha
> >>
> >that bookmark be nothing but a USAP advertizement,
>
> For a dz you jumped at btw but that is beside the point.
Not me, J.E. says that was his last home DZ before the stroke
and it was a good DZ but the original DZO is gone/retired and young
punks are running it. ya that don't sound so good to anyone
over 60 I betcha
>Can you still say that lift tickets for $15 US, in the US are
ficticious?
Just tell us what the hook is kid, quit dancing around like Tinkerbell
>
> - could it be the Canadians are trying to rip people off?
not likely on one of the SPAS club style dz's, unless their trying to
get you to pay their beer tab! ;)
>
> >Why not ask you DZO to join SDA 1-800-SKYDIVE scam then maybe >>put
in used car lot on the side.
Maybe he could get the Otter tickets down to $10 again----J.E. says he
remembers paying $5 a load on Linsey Carltons Otter over at Lake Anuach
"just before the DZ went out of buisness
>
> Well, what with Canada apparently charging more for lift-tickets
*and*
> tandems than they do in the US, there's no need - people will, how
you've said, "vote with their feet."
Well better bring heavy boots & snow shoes if your headed to canada
sonny
>
> >After all U SAP DZ's is about profit
> >and not the sport nes pah?
they may need you back to milk the Novices
on a new note
> >> >CSPA peoples will be glad to teach
> >> >you spotting while you up there ftreezing your USAP ass off,
besides all that
> >>....I think you cain't cold weather jump what you think about >
>>that kid? ;-*
>
> I think that I certainly can "cold weather jump" as I have often in
the past
Yeah right, you think cold....the Average ground temperature in that
part of Canada is often colder than anything you've seen at altitude
down there in wussy jumper land....I worked on the Transcan pipeline
just above Moosejaw once in the 70's installing insulated valves....the
daily high with the sun out was -40
> >> I think anyone who showed up at Moosejaw and mentioned your
> >> jonny-pee-pee personna would be met with either, "You mean the
> >> dingleberry on the newsgroup - he doesn't exist," or "Who?"
> >>
> >> ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
> >
> >I think anyone showing up at the Moosejaw airport to jump this time
of
> >year would be Canadian-not U SAP sissy
>
> Then tell us why you were exhorting,
>
> "send that Otter to Moosejaw, our Imperial gallon is bigger than the
> US gallon, bring yankee greenbacks but buy with cdn dollar and you
get
> more gas for you money USAP..."
>
> when you've already concluded anyone showing up there would be
> Canadian, considering the otter and the jumpers in it would be flying
> from the US?
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
That Otter would be Canadian eh? We export them...not any of U SAPS
have the ass to show up and jump Canadian style I'm hoping
We don't want our young skydivers corrupted ;-* Regards JPO
Jerry K.
Yep, the dollar does go farther. But, that still doesn't mean it's
cheaper to jump in Canada than the US. Or did you mean that when
someone is poor and to be pitied for "having to jump canadian style at
Us prices," the root of the tragedy was because the US dollar went
farther?
>Shit
>you young throw money at SAPS have caused inflation down there----
Inflation? Hell, if you take a skydive from 13.5K down at Waller and
pay $15 US and take a skydive up at Gananoque for $30 Canadian (the
equivalent of $24 US), seems to me the comparative inflation is
decidedly up in Canada and what's going on down here is *DE*flation.
So, right, brainiac, $15US jumps in a country south of a country
charging essentially $24US ($30 Canadian) is just choking in the
inflation, eh? Hell, for that matter, Gananoque offer tandems and
advertises on their site a price for a tandem several dollars more
expensive than if someone just showed up with Canadian dollars - now
who's jacking up the prices here? And then - there is your
ensdorsement of people being better off and less pitiable for jumping
in a place which is more expensive than the place they are currently
at - is that not also an endorsement of inflation or was that just a
blunder made due to mere ignorance and making guesses instead of
confirming facts before you opened your pie-hole?
>all
>I'm saying is come give some of your greenbacks to the CSPA DZ's,
No, you were saying that someone in Wisconsin was a, " poor little
USAP boy so close to Canada but paying US prices to jump out of 182
canadian style, for at least a few months each year"
I'm saying that someone who lives close to Canada and is making
"canadian style" jumps but paying US prices is making a wise choice
and your suggestion was made in plain ignorance.
>save
>a buck or two every jump....
No, as compared to what it costs to jump in the US, they would be
spening a few bucks more on every jump in Canada. The figures don't
lie.
>leave you snot attitudes at home
>though----
Well, if busting someone for being a dumbass and explaining why he is,
is tantamount to having a "snot attitude," then put the cuffs on me
but keep in mind, it costs less to jump from altitude in Wisconsin
than it does up in SK.
>Ah hell just forget about it and send the money to Ottawa we
>don't want you corrupting our youth....
What, are they trying to make the same number of jumps they do down
south and running out of money before they can?
>NOW PISS OFF AND QUIT WHINING U
>SAP skydiver ;-*
Take to the RV group, Jinnie - they might buy into your ignorance. It
ain't working here.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
No, not at all - I'll keep hammering the reality as long as you keep
denying it.
>JUMP CANADA, save a buck OK except at one place,
Oh ho - now it's at *one place* in Canada. This is an admission.
Now, let's look at some other places already mentioned which also are
more expensive to jump at than places in the US.
At NoveauAir - almost $30 US to altittude.
Hamilton, Ontario? Around $22.50 US to ten-five *if* you've already
paid the yearly $48 US membership dues.
Steinbach, Manitoba? Twenty one and a half bucks US to 9k.
Didsbury, Alberta? Just under $25 US will get you to 11K in their
182.
Grand Bend, Ontario? Almost $26 US will get ya to 8K.
In the US? Usually somewhere between $15-$20 gets you up to 13-14K.
Gosh, it is so pitiful to have to pay *less* than our Canadian
neighbors for a skydive...eh?
> it
>appears we have one Yuppie DZ up here
No, if price is the consideration as in, a more expensive price than
say, a certain country to the south which determines the "yuppie"
moniker, then, at least by my short list above, there are five others
beside Gananoque and I have little doubt I can find more. On that
note, several of the dz's listed above have club fees so can it be
possible? Can these skydiving clubs also be termed, "yuppie?"
>and Jerry a charter member of U
>SAP is freaked over it....
Hardly - just guiding you step by step as you step in it with every
step. I t's an unfair advantage, I admit - you see - I'm not the idiot
which you are.
>ummmm life is sooooooo good ;) Everybody else
>in Texas have a nice day Regards JPO
Ah, enjoy your blissful ignorance - it still doesn't change reality
and things continue on as they have before, no matter how retarded
your take on things are. Yes indeed - there are skydivers skydiving
and if they're not, they're looking forwards to they're next skydive
and the most amazing but entirely natural thing about this is, all
this continues on without your participation.
Yes, life is indeed good and getting better all the time.
...bsrp
...jlk
Rev Jim
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1st off, what do you need Hebrew language packs for? Stop messing with your
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Secondly, "JPO", here are your posting headers. Pay special attention to the
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67.128.191.27 happens to be the same host as a bunch of your other posts,
the ones by the unknown flailer. No biggy, right? Wrong. Every one of those
posts originated from East Texas.
If you really want to hide, pay for that access server that Ferree uses
(can't remember the name), and change you personna. Alot. Waaaay more than
this feeble attempt.
Rev Jim
p.s. Yes, Mike, I know he loves, maybe even lives for, the attention, but
I'm actually trying to help him here. ;-P
Tom B
>
>
> It's the exchange rate you little retard----still don't get it do you?
> The US Dollar is stronger than the Canadian----it goes farther.
Well I am glad at least one person on this earth is impressed with the
strong dollar just now. The only thing I know of we seem to be getting
really good buys on these days are mad cows. Come to think of it, that might
explain a few that work at DZ's.
> Shit
> you young throw money at SAPS have caused inflation down there----
I get almost as many seconds of freefall per dollar as I did in 76.
Inflation adjusted I surely get a LOT more. In terms of what skydivers can
afford now vs previous times, think about how many 40' air conditioned RV's
with roof sun decks you saw at a DZ way back when. Or people with three
rigs, paid packers, matching team jumpsuits for local competitions, etc.,
etc., etc. Skydiving's problems today are not about a shortage of money or
even of the ratio of services granted per dollar.
In fact, other than it now takes 4 hours and a pair of paralegals to help
one sign waivers and watch videos before being allowed to jump at Perris, I
can't think of too many real problems in skydiving today.
EXCEPT FOR THE DAMN SNOW OUTSIDE!
Tom B
Jerry K.
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 3 Mar 2005 04:28:08 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 2 Mar 2005 22:45:56 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >send that Otter to Moosejaw, our Imperial gallon is bigger than
>the
>> >US
>> >> >gallon, bring yankee greenbacks but buy with cdn dollar and you
>get
>> >> >more gas for you money USAP...
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, but there's still the issue of the jumpers having to spend
>more
>> >> on lift-tickets once they got there. Few would fly in an otter
>all
>> >> the way up there
>
>Damn right not south Texas divers when the average ground tempature up
>there is -15 for the last few days....
And where lift tickets to altitude are usually twenty to fourty
percent more expensive.
>Whatyou think I'm doing down here
>on J.E.'s back 40?
You said something earlier about stripping off your clothes and
dancing - no need to elaborate.
>The RV world calls us Snowbirds
And the paleontologist world would call you a Dodo.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.skydivehouston.com/
>> >>
>> >> Right there on the front page. Unlike you, I ain't pretending
>what I
>> >> say is gospell.
>
>J.E, says there is always a catch on cheap otter loads in Texas since
>the first Otter appeared at the old Leauge City DZ. Always a catch---I
>notice they didn't announce it on the web page---
No, in this case (like many, many other cases) you are entirely wrong.
Take another look - it's right there on the web page:
http://www.skydivehouston.com/
For experienced jumpers:
-$15 jumps, all day, every day
>Have to Manifest
>before 8 am,
What part of "all day, every day" don't you understand? Nothing there
about manifesting before 8am. Nothing at all.
>buy block tickets Jump on wensdays or thursdays, bring a
>knockout chick and have her show titty. polish the DZO's knob what ia
>it? Some kind of hook is involved I betcha
How much you betting? Name the stakes. C'mon, Mister "Always a
catch" - put up or shut up. I'll bet a case of beer and a bottle of
Jack you're wrong. -$15 jumps, all day, every day, like it says. It
you don't like those stakes but are so sure of your bet, then name
some other stakes more agreeable. Unlike you, I know what I'm talking
about. Thinking I'm bluffing? Call it, numb-nuts. Call it or leave
the table if you can't make the pot right.
>> >>
>> >that bookmark be nothing but a USAP advertizement,
>>
>> For a dz you jumped at btw but that is beside the point.
>
>Not me, J.E. says that was his last home DZ before the stroke
>and it was a good DZ but the original DZO is gone/retired and young
>punks are running it.
Yes, you. You're not the first "visitor" to be posting from the
kami58@eastex address - and probably not the last. No one, least of
all me, is buying this "snowbird from Canada" bull but if you must
maintain such a flimsy fiction, well - have a party and I'll just play
along with the requisite ridicule. First off, the original DZO is
still there, he hasn't retired, and as for who's running it - the
original DZO is. Do you even know what his name is? G'head - ask
Jinnie - over there - the dingleberry squatting back left of the
pituitary gland smelling his finger.
>ya that don't sound so good to anyone
>over 60 I betcha
Nevermind that there are skydivers over 60, some older than you,
Jinnie, out there and still jumping but of course it doesn't "sound
good to you" because it is clear the whole idea of skydiving, people
skydiving while you are unable doesn't sound to good to you.
Skydiving to you is little more than a reminder of what you had and
what you lost if you had only taken the time to think things through -
and maybe learned how to spot.
>
>>Can you still say that lift tickets for $15 US, in the US are
>ficticious?
>
>Just tell us what the hook is kid, quit dancing around like Tinkerbell
Like I said - no hook. Take a look again:
http://www.skydivehouston.com/
-$15 jumps, all day, every day
Where's the hook? Go through the website or buck up and go to the dz.
Email Price or Luminous. Call the dz or email 'em if you're too
chickenshit to show your face. You might look but you won't find
because it doesn't exist.
For experienced jumpers:
-$15 jumps, all day, every day from the fastest Super Twin Otter in
Texas!
Oh, yeah - you have to make it out of the faster Super Twin Otter in
Texas. Does that qualify as a catch? There's a straw to grasp,
Jinnie - you gonna grasp it? Think it can stand your weight?
>>
>> - could it be the Canadians are trying to rip people off?
>
>not likely on one of the SPAS club style dz's, unless their trying to
>get you to pay their beer tab! ;)
No, very likely if you look at the prices and do the math. Shall I
explain it again or arer you going to ignore this item since you're
looking to get flogged about the head and shoulders over it.
>
>>
>> >Why not ask you DZO to join SDA 1-800-SKYDIVE scam then maybe >>put
>in used car lot on the side.
>Maybe he could get the Otter tickets down to $10 again----J.E. says he
>remembers paying $5 a load on Linsey Carltons Otter over at Lake Anuach
>"just before the DZ went out of buisness
>>
>> Well, what with Canada apparently charging more for lift-tickets
>*and*
>> tandems than they do in the US, there's no need - people will, how
>you've said, "vote with their feet."
>
>Well better bring heavy boots & snow shoes if your headed to canada
>sonny
Why would I do that when I can jump in Wisconsin and do "canadian
style" for less?
>>
>> >After all U SAP DZ's is about profit
>> >and not the sport nes pah?
> they may need you back to milk the Novices
> on a new note
>> >> >CSPA peoples will be glad to teach
>> >> >you spotting while you up there ftreezing your USAP ass off,
> besides all that
>> >>....I think you cain't cold weather jump what you think about >
>>>that kid? ;-*
>>
>> I think that I certainly can "cold weather jump" as I have often in
>the past
>
>Yeah right, you think cold....the Average ground temperature in that
>part of Canada is often colder than anything you've seen at altitude
>down there in wussy jumper land....
I'm sure it is cold. I've made jumps when it was 17F on the ground
and a lot colder up at altitude. True, doesn't compare to Canada but
it was still cold. You do a lot of jumps in Canada, Jinnie? What was
the coldest you ever jumped? You wanna work the pissing contest angle
for a bit?
>I worked on the Transcan pipeline
>just above Moosejaw once in the 70's installing insulated valves....the
>daily high with the sun out was -40
Bullcrap, in the 70's you were doing union crap and trucking shit.
Like I said, no one's buying the Canadian personna, Jinnie.
>
>> >> I think anyone who showed up at Moosejaw and mentioned your
>> >> jonny-pee-pee personna would be met with either, "You mean the
>> >> dingleberry on the newsgroup - he doesn't exist," or "Who?"
>> >>
>> >> ...bsrp
>> >> ...jlk
>> >
>> >I think anyone showing up at the Moosejaw airport to jump this time
>of
>> >year would be Canadian-not U SAP sissy
>>
>> Then tell us why you were exhorting,
>>
>> "send that Otter to Moosejaw, our Imperial gallon is bigger than the
>> US gallon, bring yankee greenbacks but buy with cdn dollar and you
>get
>> more gas for you money USAP..."
>>
>> when you've already concluded anyone showing up there would be
>> Canadian, considering the otter and the jumpers in it would be flying
>> from the US?
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>That Otter would be Canadian eh? We export them..
That's because Canadian dz's charge so much to jump 'em, few can
afford it and the planes gotta go somewhere. They charge less for
jumps down in the lower 48 so we can keep a lot more otters flying
down here than up there.
>.not any of U SAPS
>have the ass to show up and jump Canadian style I'm hoping
Why should anyone when we can go to Wisconsin and do Canadian style
there at US prices?
>We don't want our young skydivers corrupted ;-* Regards JPO
What, by skydivers from the south sewing seeds of disenchantment when
after exchanged rates are figured they learn they've been paying
twenty to fourty percent more for lift tickets than the jumpers in
Wisconsin?
...bsrp
...jlk
Mike Spurgeon
> In fact, other than it now takes 4 hours and a pair of paralegals to help
> one sign waivers and watch videos before being allowed to jump at Perris, I
> can't think of too many real problems in skydiving today.
Come to Lodi.
If they ask to look at your logbooks or for you to sign a waiver,
I'll buy your jumps while you're here.
And if you buy them, I can almost guarantee you'll get *more*
freefall per $ than you used to.
Refreshing, huh?
JPO
Tom B wrote:
> "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:1109894723.0...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> > It's the exchange rate you little retard----still don't get it do
you?
> > The US Dollar is stronger than the Canadian----it goes farther.
>
> Well I am glad at least one person on this earth is impressed with
the
> strong dollar just now.
I'm thrilled with the Euro, the greenback dollar just happens to be
closer to Canada and American tourist--specially U SAPS arn't as tight
fisted as the Europeans
> > Shit
> > you young throw money at SAPS have caused inflation down there----
>
> I get almost as many seconds of freefall per dollar as I did in 76.
> Inflation adjusted
I'm sure you advanced in your profession since 76 also...seems to me
the only way to stay ahead of inflation is to create it by asking for
pay raises hahahaha
I surely get a LOT more. In terms of what skydivers can
> afford now vs previous times, think about how many 40' air
conditioned RV's
> with roof sun decks you saw at a DZ way back when. Or people with
three
> rigs, paid packers, matching team jumpsuits for local >competitions,
etc.,
Your leadership needs to get that under control, more money in
appealing to the unwashed mass's...Try to let Joe six pack back in the
sport---more jumpers, lift price drops. Canada exports more Otters a
win win for all of the North American Continent
> etc., etc. Skydiving's problems today are not about a shortage >of
money or even of the ratio of services granted per dollar.
Sloppy attitude there kiddo, it never hurts to cut costs...the problem
with U.S. buisness's in general and skydiving types in particular (it
seems to be a cut throat thing here in the U.S.
So your GM/DZO's are afraid to appear weak or easy and have associates
smell blood and turn on them so they flat don't want to pass it on to
the customer...it seems many running things are to young to have heard
the story of "killing the Goose that laid the golden egg....any change
will have to be a industry wide or Corp. effort because nobody in their
right mind is going to want to be first, not with the investment some
of them have put into their DZ's.---open up Tom, look beyond your belly
button "for the sport!"
> In fact, other than it now takes 4 hours and a pair of >paralegals
to help
> one sign waivers and watch videos before being allowed to jump >at
Perris, I
> can't think of too many real problems in skydiving today.
The bigger you get the more you have to protect and this then is the
beginning of fear not to mention the Buracrat word...they get their
foot in the door and shit starts bogging down
> EXCEPT FOR THE DAMN SNOW OUTSIDE!
>
> Tom B
My condolances...whats great about that though is you probably have
sharply defined seasons---here in this part of Texas the tree's are
confused...many are budding----the red buds are trying to bloom---J.E.
says to watch the pecan tree's---their the only ones that know
shit---they remain dormant so a freeze will get the other dumb ass's I
guess...As nature is so is man's condition
"read the signs, read the signs, the forest is speaking to you
Pierre....geezeus I spend to much time listening to J.E. No
snow though--------- Regards JPO
peanut4040
popping up for free advertisement. wink
JLK,,, you NEED to come to this one. Its going to be one of those
once in a lifetime "small boogies". The good thing about
"roamingdropzone.com" Is that we don't have to keep going back to the
same airport. Chuckles, this is the second year for this one, so we
are ON A ROLL....and the locals still love us... IF they kick us off
because of a silly bonfire, fireworks, drunken skydivers, or something
really stupid (peanut) ,, we will go somewhere else and spend our
middle age hotel dollars the next year.
power to the skydiver
walk off your drop zone.
LETS PARTYYYYYY
puckyewpappysnuffy
Jerry K.
>Thanks for the hi-jack on the thread jlk buddy. Dublin Boogie keeps
>popping up for free advertisement. wink
-happy to help!
>
>JLK,,, you NEED to come to this one. Its going to be one of those
>once in a lifetime "small boogies". The good thing about
>"roamingdropzone.com" Is that we don't have to keep going back to the
>same airport. Chuckles, this is the second year for this one, so we
>are ON A ROLL....and the locals still love us... IF they kick us off
>because of a silly bonfire, fireworks, drunken skydivers, or something
>really stupid (peanut) ,, we will go somewhere else and spend our
>middle age hotel dollars the next year.
-I'll see what I can do - I might be training but we'll see.
>
>power to the skydiver
>walk off your drop zone.
>LETS PARTYYYYYY
>
>puckyewpappysnuffy
Yo, Jinnie - we're trying to fill the otter to send it to Dublin and
you'd probably have to pay for two slots to cover your loading but if
you can do that and come up with a couple of cases of beer to cover
for how irritating and repellant you'll no doubt be on the flight
over, we'll sign you up at manifest. We'll even let you spot a little
- we won't go because we know better but you'll still get to spot,
maybe.
So, how bout it? Wanna do it or would it be easier to denigrate the
whole idea of boogies in general since I might be there?
...bsrp
...jlk
JPO
Jerry K. wrote:
> >puckyewpappysnuffy
>
> Yo, Jinnie - we're trying to fill the otter to send it to Dublin and
> you'd probably have to pay for two slots to cover your loading but if
> you can do that and come up with a couple of cases of beer to cover
> for how irritating and repellant you'll no doubt be on the flight
> over, we'll sign you up at manifest. We'll even let you spot a
little
> - we won't go because we know better but you'll still get to spot,
> maybe.
>
> So, how bout it? Wanna do it or would it be easier to denigrate the
> whole idea of boogies in general since I might be there?
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
J.E. is off in the woods hunting hogs, has been out a few days
already...
I watching his place
When he comes back I tell him young USAPS talking bad about him
again. Maybe he talks to you maybe not.....Dunno he comes in pretty
stinky but in one good mood----probably not waste time,
tell me once he talking to young USAPS for years and it was big waste
of time, they know everything before FJC and and just get dummer with
every jump----like talking to tree stumps. Hunting hogs more fun than
trying to teach stupid young pigs ;) OK I remember to tell him. Regards
JPO
Jerry K.
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> >puckyewpappysnuffy
>>
>> Yo, Jinnie - we're trying to fill the otter to send it to Dublin and
>> you'd probably have to pay for two slots to cover your loading but if
>> you can do that and come up with a couple of cases of beer to cover
>> for how irritating and repellant you'll no doubt be on the flight
>> over, we'll sign you up at manifest. We'll even let you spot a
>little
>> - we won't go because we know better but you'll still get to spot,
>> maybe.
>>
>> So, how bout it? Wanna do it or would it be easier to denigrate the
>> whole idea of boogies in general since I might be there?
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>J.E. is off in the woods hunting hogs, has been out a few days
>already...
By out hunting hogs you mean he's (as represented by one of several
voices in your head) in reality squatting down back near the
pituitary gland smelling his finger. Tell ya what, "jonnie." Unless
you're also physically and neurotically disabled to the point of
travelling to a dz is severely problematical, like it is for jinnie,
why don't you get your ass to a Texas dz (since you're supposedly in
Texas). I should be up in Waller this weekend and if you show up and
flash some sort of Canadian ID (or even simply speak in come sort of
regional Canadian patois) I'll spring for a case of Molson or
Moosehead lager...and I'll eat my hat. Now, since you have said that
"old people think alike" feel free to make with the excuses - just
like they have been made, so often before.
> I watching his place
>When he comes back I tell him young USAPS talking bad about him
>again.
You mean, talking *truth* about him....but then, I suppose the truth
can be bad - or at least disconcerting.
>Maybe he talks to you maybe not.....
Guess that depends on how interesting his finger smells at the moment,
eh?
>Dunno he comes in pretty
>stinky but in one good mood----
"Honey! I'm home!!!"
>probably not waste time,
>tell me once he talking to young USAPS for years and it was big waste
>of time,
Well, yeah - why do that when he (you) can have some poorly conceived
alternate personality do it for him (you(.
>they know everything before FJC and and just get dummer with
>every jump----
Well, that's just him (you) talking about his (your) own experiences -
jumpers here will confirm this is indeed how it went for him (you).
>like talking to tree stumps.
>Hunting hogs more fun than
>trying to teach stupid young pigs
Sure beats jumping, eh?
>OK I remember to tell him. Regards
>JPO
You can tell him in interpretive dance while you dance about, ripping
your clothes off.
...bsrp
...jlk
JPO
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 4 Mar 2005 09:18:26 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >puckyewpappysnuffy
> >>
> >> Yo, Jinnie - we're trying to fill the otter to send it to Dublin
and
> >> you'd probably have to pay for two slots to cover your loading but
if
> >> you can do that and come up with a couple of cases of beer to
cover
> >> for how irritating and repellant you'll no doubt be on the flight
> >> over, we'll sign you up at manifest. We'll even let you spot a
> >little
> >> - we won't go because we know better but you'll still get to spot,
> >> maybe.
> >>
> >> So, how bout it? Wanna do it or would it be easier to denigrate
the
> >> whole idea of boogies in general since I might be there?
> >>
> >> ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
> >
> >J.E. is off in the woods hunting hogs, has been out a few days
> >already...
>
(snip USAP homo talk)
thats Mr. O'mally to you kid and my front name Jon not jonnie also yes
he always saying going out to get a piney wood rooter (wild hog) but
even though he's a danger junkie he might just be out in the woods
thinking or sleeping by a camp fire----or down by Koontz drinking and
chasing women...the man does what he wants,
has no schedule but come to think of it if he be doen in Koontz
drinking and chasing women that could be considered hog hunting if you
see some of the women he drags back up here by Camp Ruby
> why don't you get your ass to a Texas dz (since you're supposedly in
> Texas). I should be up in Waller this weekend and if you show up and
> flash some sort of Canadian ID (or even simply speak in come sort of
> regional Canadian patois) I'll spring for a case of Molson or
> Moosehead lager...and I'll eat my hat.
#1 Last time I jump was 1965....my first live in woman say hey mon if
we going south you need to save a bit....I was around 40 back then we
were wintering in Mexico, real cheap at the time before you U.S.
Americans cause inflation down there by throwing money around SO J.E.
knows more about modern skydiving than I do, a better Hog hunter to.
#2 You need help with spotting or have any F111 canopy questions be
nice to J.E. Maybe he go back to coaching dumb little pigs on
rec.skydiving
#3 I can talk like bush Canadian, J.E. say he like to have me around
because I can be talking like a Cajun...he work over there
off shore for a while after getting out of the Navy---if you ever see
him, never mention US Navy or you be brain dead from hearing sea story
yah----a good tip/done mess up!
#4 Don't need you store bought tea....between J.E. and me, we are well
stocked with good beer and whiskey (incase of snakebite & hog slashs he
say) Cheaper than doctor
>Now, since you have said that "old people think alike" feel free >to
make with the excuses - just
> like they have been made, so often before.
I agree with J.E. 100% on most things, he views America much like he
not from it----Telling to many damn sea storys though by gum. His
skydiving storys sound pretty dumb also-but it's always funny
>
> > I watching his place
> >When he comes back I tell him young USAPS talking bad about him
> >again.
>
> You mean, talking *truth* about him....but then, I suppose the >truth
can be bad - or at least disconcerting.
Truth? I think you to young to have experiance to know what truth
really is. J.E. say dumb young USAPS throw everything old out
and now they loose a lot, mixture should be mix old in with new and
make strong like cement....He praying one time and I ask "what you pray
for?" That all them Sputnicks fall out of the sky and batterys begin to
fail so young skydivers have to go back to old ways before all is lost!
"What about that zp stuffs?"
Sooner or later the market will price the average skydiver out of
that----go back to Canada and buy up all old F111 canopys & material,
we be ready. Then he laugh all crazy like-hard to tell when he joking
and when he is being serious sometime....He was old USPA you know,
before weak skydivers came along now its
USPA2000 to him----Now he calling it USAPS since I tellem about
how we joking about you in Canada ;)
> >Maybe he talks to you maybe not.....
>
(snip more USAP homo talk)
> eh?
>
> >Dunno he comes in pretty
> >stinky but in one good mood----
>
> "Honey! I'm home!!!"
No he always tell a wopping big hunting story, the man never deals in
small-damn hog had to be 350/400 pounds with 8 inch tusks
had to kill him with a knife because hog jerk .44 out of his hand, mule
run off with saddle rifle and dogs also get scared and run off so he
had to kill it with a knife, same story 99% of time except one time the
hog got his knife away and he had to beat it to death with a tree limb
. Same way with fishing story, big 75 or maybe 150 pound catfish attack
the boat etc etc etc
> >probably not waste time,
> >tell me once he talking to young USAPS for years and it was >big
waste of time,
>
> Well, yeah - why do that when he (you) can have some poorly conceived
> alternate personality do it for him (you(.
He/you? you got some paranoids sonny.....WHICH IS IT?
him or me? Dang may be I listen to his storys to long. he is a year or
two behind me in age but Chrismatic, plus we agree on how misued modern
things are....people making themself helpless using it some to
much....Maybe I just knowing him to long---but I am me
thank god their is only one J.E. or Canada would be part of Texas
the man has some crazy ideas
>
> >they know everything before FJC and and just get dummer with
> >every jump----
>
> Well, that's just him talking about his own experiences -
> jumpers here will confirm this is indeed how it went for him
you forget perhaps I am 69? J.E. is right, nobody under 65 knows
anything but how to waste money
>
> >like talking to tree stumps.
> >Hunting hogs more fun than
> >trying to teach stupid young pigs
>
> Sure beats jumping, eh?
well he said the jumping was alright but the people around dz's even in
his time were mostly shallow....talking to you I can see his point
> > I remember to tell him, you missing him Regards
> >JPO
>
> You can tell him in interpretive dance while you dance about, ripping
your clothes off.
No I don't think he's going to be putting any more snakes on me while I
nap----a one armed man does not do well as he thinks he will at ass
whipping contests ;) nice talking to you even if you are just a dumb
kid Regards JPO
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
JPO
coming were trained to pay somebody else to do it, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I one
funny guy eh? JPO
peanut4040
peanut4040 wrote:
> Just to keep all parties informed, They are putting together a
pretty
> damn good boogie in Dublin GA this month.
>
> This one's going to be a good one,,,, I don't know if we will be
> welcome back next year. But I wouldnt want to miss THIS one if I was
> yall.
Its been a couple of years. Yall think its time for me to buy a
cypress? I mean, I wore out my famous red protec helmet,,, i'm trying
to fix it--- you think its time?? Nobody wood call me a fancy lad or
nothing wood they?
Jerry K.
Only if you turned it on.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Hell, I suppose if they were in Canada doing Canadian style at Candian
prices they couldn't afford it. So, "jonnie" - since you made your
last skydive in 1965, tell us how you know this about skydivers and
skydiving today.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Not any of those, when you get down to it. The dingleberry quotient
is just too high for plausibility.
>also yes
>he always saying going out to get a piney wood
(snip rest of Jinnie's Jonnie search for wood)
>
>> why don't you get your ass to a Texas dz (since you're supposedly in
>> Texas). I should be up in Waller this weekend and if you show up and
>> flash some sort of Canadian ID (or even simply speak in come sort of
>> regional Canadian patois) I'll spring for a case of Molson or
>> Moosehead lager...and I'll eat my hat.
>
>#1 Last time I jump was 1965....my first live in woman say hey mon if
>we going south you need to save a bit....I was around 40 back then
1965 - "around 40 back then" - and here we are, fourty years later
when you've already mentioned you were 69. Umm...perhaps you meant
you're eighty? Or do you mean to say that you were "around 40" when
you were in your late 20's. Pretty dumb slip, Jin - but very much in
line with all the others.
...bsrp
...jlk
JPO
Last Official skydive 1965, you didn't see when I talk about the
Moosejaw hit and chuck club? -- I thinking USAPS & CSPA call them
outlaw jumps because we jump on a private grain farm and other various
places, using borrowed aircraft---Like Ludwig say why we need this damn
plane?---old farts club is spending more time telling storys, eating
BBQ, cranking home Made ice cream and poping tops than cranking engine
& running down strip/why i even bother to cut runway in the grass? ;)
JPO
**Note** Ludwig is high strung enough to pass as USAP
> ...jlk
Jerry K.
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 4 Mar 2005 18:51:34 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >Better hope pilot has GPS & knows how to use it because USAP
>Skydivers
>> >coming were trained to pay somebody else to do it, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I
>one
>> >funny guy eh?
>>
>> Hell, I suppose if they were in Canada doing Canadian style at
>Candian
>> prices they couldn't afford it. So, "jonnie" - since you made your
>> last skydive in 1965, tell us how you know this about skydivers and
>> skydiving today.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>
>Last Official skydive 1965,
Ah, now with the qualifiers...Official, eh?
>you didn't see when I talk about the
>Moosejaw hit and chuck club?
Oh, sure - but I take it all with the approgriate mountain of salt
kami58ateastex.
>-- I thinking USAPS & CSPA call them
>outlaw jumps
So, strike up the band! Jinnie has played the "outlaw" card.
Something which he never was but that never stopped him from invoking
it.
>because we jump on a private grain farm and other various
>places, using borrowed aircraft---
Oh yeah because it's not the act of the jump but it all comes down to
where the jump occurs which endows some sort of bogus legitimacy.
Slip is showing, Jinnie.
>Like Ludwig say why we need this damn
>plane?---old farts club is spending more time telling storys, eating
>BBQ,
Replete with "old farts" doing homey "old fart" things. Maybe some
good o'l mumblings 'bout the country going to hell in a hand-basket
and inflation punctuated with some lynch'n tale. Lemme show you my
gall-bladder scarrrr...
>cranking home Made ice cream and poping tops than cranking engine
>& running down strip/why i even bother to cut runway in the grass? ;)
Especially when I could be grow'n grain onnit - don't forgit the
fresh-squeezed lemonade!
>JPO
>
>**Note** Ludwig is high strung enough to pass as USAP
Does he bring you your meals like Big Earl or is Ludwig one of the
widderwimmin?
Keep it up Jinnie! I mean jonnie. Dingleberry. Whatever.
...bsrp
...jlk
JPO
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 6 Mar 2005 22:25:12 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 4 Mar 2005 18:51:34 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
> >>
> >> >Better hope pilot has GPS & knows how to use it because USAP
> >Skydivers
> >> >coming were trained to pay somebody else to do it, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I
> >one
> >> >funny guy eh?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Last Official skydive 1965,
>
> Ah, now with the qualifiers...Official, eh?
Yes Oficial jumpers pay dues like stupid U's
> >you didn't see when I talk about the
> >Moosejaw hit and chuck club?
>
> Oh, sure - but I take it all with the approgriate mountain of salt
> kami58ateastex.
No no salt, salt is out on road...how you going to grow crops if you
salting the fields dummy boy?
> >-- I thinking USAPS & CSPA call them
> >outlaw jumps
>
> So, strike up the band! played the "outlaw" card.
> Something which he never was but that never stopped him from invoking
> it.
Yeah just not official----paying no exit tax so we say not official if
that making you feel better Mr. freak out all over the place
> >because we jump on a private grain farm and other various
> >places, using borrowed aircraft---
>
> Oh yeah because it's not the act of the jump but it all comes down to
> where the jump occurs which endows some sort of bogus legitimacy.
Look up top on thread USAP, what it say? A place, skydivers
always like to know place jumping was happen so I say
grain fields to throw Mounties off---you think we stupid like U SAPS?
> >Like Ludwig say why we need this damn
> >plane?---old farts club is spending more time telling storys, eating
> >BBQ,
>
> Replete with "old farts" doing homey "old fart" things. Maybe some
> good o'l mumblings 'bout the country going to hell in a hand-basket
> and inflation punctuated with some lynch'n tale. Lemme show you my
gall-bladder scarrrr...
you some kind of unhappy person eh? Not enjoy life at all.
Rush around, rush around, put numbers down because thats all you
got---tsk tsk tsk, you waste money by jumping kid, don't not seem you
enjoying it, rush rush rush---gots to have another number quick quick
pack this parachute-I pay you J U SAP in in hurry -rush rush rush, give
me the numbers ok 38,769
& 3/4 and some ice cream...Lets see, you pay dues, you pay for pack,
you pay somebody to spot no wonder you unhappy kid. If your in that big
a hurry why you don't pay somebody to make your jump to? U SAP are one
crazy kid ;)P JPO
Jerry K.
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 6 Mar 2005 22:25:12 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 4 Mar 2005 18:51:34 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Better hope pilot has GPS & knows how to use it because USAP
>> >Skydivers
>> >> >coming were trained to pay somebody else to do it, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>I
>> >one
>> >> >funny guy eh?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ...bsrp
>> >
>> >Last Official skydive 1965,
>>
>> Ah, now with the qualifiers...Official, eh?
>
>Yes Oficial jumpers pay dues like stupid U's
Now, do you suppose that if there was a choice between making the same
skydive at a dz where it's more expensive and a dz where it's cheaper,
to advocate the more expensive location might very well be considered
stupid?
>> >you didn't see when I talk about the
>> >Moosejaw hit and chuck club?
>>
>> Oh, sure - but I take it all with the approgriate mountain of salt
>> kami58ateastex.
>
>No no salt, salt is out on road...how you going to grow crops if you
>salting the fields dummy boy?
I suppose they salt the busier roads up in Canada but then, I suppose
what with the prices for jumping being higher than they are in
Wisconsin, they may as well use the salt elsewhere. When you talk of
the "Moosejaw hit and chug club," Jinnie, you're just making it up and
you could salt every path, road, and highway up there with the salt it
would take to buy into your fantasies.
>
>> >-- I thinking USAPS & CSPA call them
>> >outlaw jumps
>>
>> So, strike up the band! played the "outlaw" card.
>> Something which he never was but that never stopped him from invoking
>> it.
>
>Yeah just not official----paying no exit tax so we say not official if
>that making you feel better Mr. freak out all over the place
Oh, no - no exit tax, just higher prices than in Wisconsin where if
there is an exit tax, which there is not, it's not enough to make it
more expensive than jumps from altitude up in Canada.
>> >because we jump on a private grain farm and other various
>> >places, using borrowed aircraft---
>>
>> Oh yeah because it's not the act of the jump but it all comes down to
>> where the jump occurs which endows some sort of bogus legitimacy.
>
>Look up top on thread USAP, what it say? A place, skydivers
>always like to know place jumping was happen so I say
>grain fields to throw Mounties off---you think we stupid like U SAPS?
Well, given your advocacy of jumping in a place more expensive than a
place where it's cheaper, there is no we working here but *you* -
about as stupid as it gets. Then there's the idea of posting from the
same email address as you have before while making the pretense that
you're someone else and imagining that anyone would buy into the
charade - stupid is too mundane an adjective to describe such a thing.
>
>> >Like Ludwig say why we need this damn
>> >plane?---old farts club is spending more time telling storys, eating
>> >BBQ,
>>
>> Replete with "old farts" doing homey "old fart" things. Maybe some
>> good o'l mumblings 'bout the country going to hell in a hand-basket
>> and inflation punctuated with some lynch'n tale. Lemme show you my
>gall-bladder scarrrr...
>
>you some kind of unhappy person eh?
Actually, just because I point it out to you when you're wrong and
explain to you does not in any way suggest an unhappy state. Call it,
"some kind of sore ribs from laughing really hard person." Slip is
showing, Jinnie - it's a very common response on your part for when I
illustrate just how you've stepped in it that you come back with a
suggestion of unhappiness.
>Not enjoy life at all.
I dunno about that - not me making up a different life to display and
to preach from on the usenet.
>Rush around, rush around, put numbers down because thats all you
>got---tsk tsk tsk,
Hell, who was it adding numbers all over the place, ostensibly
representing the *number* of times you got out of bed in Canada in a
ridiculous attempt to corellate the figure into skydives in Canada
(and screwing up the math). Wasn't me, either considering Wisconsin
jumpers as poor and to be pitied due to the *number* of dollars they
would be paying as compared to skydivers in Canada.
>you waste money by jumping kid,
Not as much as the skydivers in Canada, it seems.
>don't not seem you
>enjoying it,
Naw, it gets better and better. Weather was dodgy this past weekend
but I still got to make jumps...$15 US a jump. Seems to me you
weren't seeming to enjoy what little life you had left posting on the
usenet from the snuffwad moniker - to the point of attempting to get
others to believe that Jinnie and Jonnie weren't all being typed from
the same hand, nevermind the same email address..
>ush rush rush---gots to have another number quick quick
>pack this parachute-I pay you
I do seem to remember Jinnie (you) also admitting to have used a
packer. As for rushing, that was kind of a rushing around to get up
in the air on your last jump, what with having no time to practice it
on the ground or think things through. Kinda rushed the spot as well,
given the struggle to get back to the lz and the landing a good three
to four hundred yards from the building at Groundrush.
>J U SAP in in hurry -rush rush rush, give
>me the numbers ok 38,769
>& 3/4 and some ice cream...
Is this a case of you putting numbers down because that's all you got
(and maybe a bowl of icecream)?
>Lets see, you pay dues, you pay for pack,
>you pay somebody to spot no wonder you unhappy kid.
Oh yeah, sure - and skydives in Canada don't pay dues - maybe because
of the money crunch what with higher jump prices. Oh wait - seems
CSPA also charges dues - $82 Canadian yearly (just under $66 US).
Now Keeping in mind that dues in the US are yearly $49 US, seems the
Canadians are paying a good twenty five percent more than the jumpers
in Wisconsin for their own dues.
Sure, I'll pay for a packer if I don't have time to pack it up before
I'm up again but ya know - there's packers in Canada, too. I suppose
they'reall packing and the people who might use them are all working
towards a loftier purpose, eh?
As for "pay somebody to spot," where do you get that? I mean, even
if this were so, which it is not, do you suppose that jumpers in
Canada are paying more for however the spot gets to acquired? The
price of their lift-tickets suggests this.
>If your in that big
>a hurry why you don't pay somebody to make your jump to?
You're slip is showing again, Jinnie - just because someone might have
made more jumps you ever made (in probably half the time) does not
mean they weren't moving in anything other than a liesurely pace.
>U SAP are one
>crazy kid ;)P JPO
Hell, there's only one person in "disguise," making shit up in this
conversation. Crazy here is you in your struggle to maintain the
fiction.
...bsrp
...jlk
JPO
rate eh?
> I suppose they salt the busier roads up in Canada but then, I suppose
what with the prices for jumping being higher than they are in
Wisconsin, they may as well use the salt elsewhere. When you talk of
the "Moosejaw hit and chug club," Jinnie, you're just making it up and
ou could salt every path, road, and highway up there with the salt it
would take to buy into your fantasies.
>
To much salting by you-maybe in big setlements, just plow a lot on open
road when you hitting 20 below and lower ice is not slick
unless sun comes out and melts top layer---you tire stick beter than
pavement in hard freeze Kid you don't know nothing at all do you? U
just a Mr. freak out all over the place
>
> >> >because we jump on a private grain farm and other various
> >> >places, using borrowed aircraft---
> >>
> >> Oh yeah because it's not the act of the jump but it all comes down
to
> >> where the jump occurs which endows some sort of bogus legitimacy.
> >
that
> you're someone else and imagining that anyone would buy into the
> charade - stupid is too mundane an adjective to describe such a
thing.
>
Things have not change much, everybody thats posting here like to say
where they jumping---take the Dublin thread for instance..First thng
any skydiver is going to think about when he loads gear in Tin Lizzy is
where they going to jump. Both USA & Canada free countrys, you can go
to any DZ you wanting to and if you have a tail dragger sitting in the
barn you can jump where you can take off and land-----just notify
authoritys (OR NOT)
HAHAHAHAHAHA, whoops here come the mounties across the pasture.
tellem we drinkng beer and flying kites or something...they all wuffo's
ya ya not for you freak out boy, you got no nerves
Like Ludwig say why we need this damn plane? Everybody farting around
till dark. Then hollar we go up now! Negibors & Mounties
cain't see us now!
Replete with "old farts" doing homey "old fart" things. Maybe some
> >> good o'l mumblings 'bout the country going to hell in a hand-> >>
basket you my gall-bladder scarrrr...
> >
#1 U.S. GOING TO HELL MAYBE but CANADA IS OK!
#2 Still got the gall bladder and say old guys balls bigger than USAP
crybabys also, maybe you not having balls at all eh kid?
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Jerry K.
Now, don't freak out misterkami58ateastex - but did you know that
there are poor Canadian skydivers stuck having to do Canadian style
jumps at Canadian prices when there are skydivers in Wisconsin doing
the same style jumps at prices twenty to fourty percent less?
>>
>> >> >because we jump on a private grain farm and other various
>> >> >places, using borrowed aircraft---
>> >>
>> >> Oh yeah because it's not the act of the jump but it all comes down
>to
>> >> where the jump occurs which endows some sort of bogus legitimacy.
>> >
>that
>> you're someone else and imagining that anyone would buy into the
>> charade - stupid is too mundane an adjective to describe such a
>thing.
>>
>Things have not change much, everybody thats posting here like to say
>where they jumping---take the Dublin thread for instance..First thng
>any skydiver is going to think about when he loads gear in Tin Lizzy is
>where they going to jump.
If only so they can know which direction to drive. Where you jumping,
eh?
>Both USA & Canada free countrys, you can go
>to any DZ you wanting to and if you have a tail dragger sitting in the
>barn you can jump where you can take off and land-----just notify
>authoritys (OR NOT)
>HAHAHAHAHAHA, whoops here come the mounties across the pasture.
>tellem we drinkng beer and flying kites or something...they all wuffo's
>ya ya not for you freak out boy, you got no nerves
I admit, it does take more nerve than I can imagine to get things
wrong so often on such a variety of things, all the while maintaining
such an amazingly ludicrous and flimsy fiction despite the regular
holes being regularely punched in every argument and assertion you
make.
>Like Ludwig say why we need this damn plane? Everybody farting around
>till dark. Then hollar we go up now! Negibors & Mounties
>cain't see us now!
Regular Dukes of Hazard, eh? Mounties with red, spinning lights on
their heads chasing the aircraft down the strip, cut in the grain
field, eh? Tell some more.
>
>Replete with "old farts" doing homey "old fart" things. Maybe some
>> >> good o'l mumblings 'bout the country going to hell in a hand-> >>
>basket you my gall-bladder scarrrr...
>> >
> #1 U.S. GOING TO HELL MAYBE but CANADA IS OK!
So you'd like to imagine but only because it makes you feel better
about the time when you weren't in the straits that you are now and in
so doing, lend legitimacy to yourself. Clear as day. You've often
run the same parallel in such diverse areas as the military, business,
the economy, and even in skydiving - nevermind the various entities
and sub-entitiess which administrate within the pasttime. Classic
case of, "It was better when I was happening but now that I'm not,
it's not either and it's by far much worse now than it ever was."
> #2 Still got the gall bladder and say old guys balls bigger than USAP
>crybabys also, maybe you not having balls at all eh kid?
Balls enough certainly to go to dz's. What's your (latest) excuse?
...bsrp
...jlk
JPO
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 7 Mar 2005 12:31:17 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
<jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Better hope pilot has GPS & knows how to use it because
USAP
> >> >> >Skydivers
> >> >> >> >coming were trained to pay somebody else to do it,
> >HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> >> >I one funny guy eh?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ...bsrp
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Last Official skydive 1965,
we thought----but I rounding down to 5 or 600 for years maybe I don't
get 75----you know maybe closer to 50 because
dz is crowded with 10 or 15 peoples----packing, C170 in for inspection
main't etc etc etc~ trying to be fair about this boy,
one reason I'm fair man is because have never been sullyed by living in
Texas U.S. year round and stayed away from U SAP DZ's
~ I as pure as Canadian snow, oh yeah ~
> >> >> Ah, now with the qualifiers...Official, eh?
> >> >
> >> >Yes Oficial jumpers pay dues like stupid U's
> >>
> >> Now, do you suppose that if there was a choice between making the
> >same
> >> skydive at a dz where it's more expensive and a dz where it's
> >cheaper,
> > So you agree don't jump in U S haul you young ass to Canada and get
nice exchange rate and lower prices heh heh
> >> charade - stupid is too mundane an adjective to describe such a
> >thing.
> >>
> >Things have not change much, everybody thats posting here like to
say
> >where they jumping---take the Dublin thread for instance..First thng
> >any skydiver is going to think about when he loads gear in Tin Lizzy
is
> >where they going to jump.
>
> If only so they can know which direction to drive. Where you
jumping,
> eh?
>
>Both USA & Canada free countrys, you can go
> >to any DZ you wanting to and if you have a tail dragger sitting in
the
> >barn you can jump where you can take off and land-----just notify
authoritys (OR NOT)
> >HAHAHAHAHAHA, whoops here come the mounties across the pasture.
> >ya ya not for you freak out boy, you got no nerves
better go to CSPA DZ and play it safe, yeah
> I admit, it does take more nerve than I can imagine ion you
> make. OK you gay? go over by Toronto---they into fashion, typical
like french....stay out of Sk, that is redneck country
better you had jumped with J.E. on that load in 95/96 than let the
Regina/Mossejaw punk rockers get they hands on your prett young
ass------oh yeah, maybe they think you are a woman if you show us heh
heh
> >Like Ludwig say why we need this damn plane? Everybody farting
around tll dark. Then hollar we go up now! Negibors & Mounties
> >cain't see us now!
>
>
> >
> >Replete with "old farts" doing homey "old fart" things. > ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Young people don't know how to enjoy life....always in a hurry
Allways worrying how they look, what other people think etc etc
etc....youth is wasted on you U SAPS jERRYCURL ;-* JPO
Jerry K.
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 7 Mar 2005 12:31:17 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
><jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Better hope pilot has GPS & knows how to use it because
>USAP
>> >> >> >Skydivers
>> >> >> >> >coming were trained to pay somebody else to do it,
>> >HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>> >> >I one funny guy eh?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ...bsrp
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Last Official skydive 1965,
>do the math Jerrycurl 75 X 9 = 675
That is correct (for once) but please explain the significance of the
numbers, 75 and 9.
>ow weeee maybe I had more jumps that
>we thought----
Likely not. I would say "jonnie" actually has zero - unless "he"
(you) was (were) rattling around in your skull during those 5-10 years
you mangaed to squeak in those 300.
>but I rounding down to 5 or 600 for years maybe I don't
>get 75----you know maybe closer to 50 because
>dz is crowded with 10 or 15 peoples----packing, C170 in for inspection
>main't etc etc etc~ trying to be fair about this boy,
>one reason I'm fair man is because have never been sullyed by living in
>Texas U.S. year round and stayed away from U SAP DZ's
I don't think you've been sullied by any dz at all - actually,
viceversa.
> ~ I as pure as Canadian snow, oh yeah ~
Canadian snow is brown, lumpy, and stinky?
Ah, that's where you're wrong because, you see, fun is what you make
of it. You find great fun in pretending to be someone other than you
are not and that's fine if you think it's fun and all but given a
choice between skydiving with my friends or hanging with say, an
imaginary friend, I'll take the former.
>always in a hurry
Never so much in a hurry to think things through and maybe learn to
spot - unlike you.
>Allways worrying how they look,
Take you long to paint that protec gold? How long you have to wait
before the custom colored navy blue suit with gold trim to arrive?
>what other people think etc etc
C'mon out to a dz and you'll find out pretty quickly how much people
care about what you think.
>etc....youth is wasted on you U SAPS
Skydiving was obviously wasted on you - especially that S/L training.
...bsrp
...jlk
JPO
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 7 Mar 2005 17:02:58 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 7 Mar 2005 12:31:17 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
> >>
> ><jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
> >> >> >wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't think you've been sullied by any dz at all - actually,
> viceversa.
>
>
> >> >> skydive at a dz where it's more expensive and a dz where it's
> >> >cheaper,
> >> > So you agree don't jump in U S haul you young ass to Canada and
get
> >nice exchange rate and lower prices heh heh
> >
> >is
> >> >where they going to jump.
> >>
> >> If only so they can know which direction to drive. Where you
> >jumping, eh?
In summer, where ever Ludwig has his plane, on a members property it is
expected, to keep mountie interfearance down for our one or two un
official jump partys a year---I am in Texas for the winter, they
calling us Canadian snow birds---not jump here, refuse to support U SAP
system, plus costOF RECREATION is high in U.S. So we hunt and fish in
it's stead---J.E. is our guide, lucky for us-he knows cheap way to go
because we are trying to get by on $500 Canadian a month until late
spring or early summer then going back to canada for summer and early
fall
> >>
> >>Both USA & Canada free countrys, you can go
> >> >to any DZ you wanting to and if you have a tail dragger sitting
in the barn you can jump where you can take off and land-----just
notify
> >authoritys (OR NOT)
> >> >HAHAHAHAHAHA, whoops here come the mounties across the pasture.
> >> >ya ya not for you freak out boy, you got no nerves
> > better go to CSPA DZ and play it safe, yeah
> >
> >> >Like Ludwig say why we need this damn plane? Everybody farting
> >around tll dark. Then hollar we go up now! Government tatletales &
Mounties cain't see us now!
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Replete with "old farts" doing homey "old fart" things. >
...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
> >
funny how you youngsters like old fart things----bon fire & beer for
instance
>
>
> >young guys are like little women, worrying what other people think
etc etc
>
> C'mon out to a dz and you'll find out pretty quickly how much people
care about what you think.
you want me to drive 4 or 5 hours just to look at fashion queens,
I think not---you do not get slot, water, electricity and food for
$500n canadian a month, then waste next months money going down to a
high priced American DZ just to sastify stupid American kid's
interest----see where I'm coming from Mr. thinks he's important?
>
> >etc....youth is wasted on you U SAPS
>
> Skydiving was obviously wasted on you - especially that S/L training.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
yes J.E. did say you were a video girl, not much money in S/L for you
huh, so you eat up with it? ;)P JPO
Jerry K.
I don't believe you. I think you are making shit up. I think you are
fooling no one but yurself.
>I am in Texas for the winter, they
>calling us Canadian snow birds---not jump here, refuse to support U SAP
>system,
Nice excuse but it doesn't fly because, you see - there are dz's here
which are not part of any official association.
>plus costOF RECREATION is high in U.S.
As far as skydivingis concerned, the cost is higher in Canada.
>So we hunt and fish in
>it's stead---J.E. is our guide, lucky for us-he knows cheap way to go
>because we are trying to get by on $500 Canadian a month until late
>spring or early summer then going back to canada for summer and early
>fall
Nonsense, your existance here is merely an attempt to fool people and
"stir things up," since when you were posting as the snuffwad, you
kept on getting pasted for steppinng it it. Somehow you concluded
that if you could change your name, you could continue on in a similar
vein without having your opinions and assertions torpedoed.
Unfortunatey you tried this in a very ham-handedly transparent
fashion, were discovered for who you reallyu are almost immediately
(the suggestion that it was cheaper to jump in Canada than the US was
a dead giveaway) and now you're stuck having to pretend to be Canadian
and making shit up, which you will, as sure as the sun rises in the
east, contradict yourself or slip up in some way or another (the being
40 in 1964 and 69 years old now, as a prime example) and the ridicule
you hoped to avoid is yours to bask in, just as it has been in the
past. Your name has changed but the song remains the same.
>> >>
>> >>Both USA & Canada free countrys, you can go
>> >> >to any DZ you wanting to and if you have a tail dragger sitting
>in the barn you can jump where you can take off and land-----just
>notify
>> >authoritys (OR NOT)
>> >> >HAHAHAHAHAHA, whoops here come the mounties across the pasture.
>> >> >ya ya not for you freak out boy, you got no nerves
>> > better go to CSPA DZ and play it safe, yeah
>> >
>> >> >Like Ludwig say why we need this damn plane? Everybody farting
>> >around tll dark. Then hollar we go up now! Government tatletales &
>Mounties cain't see us now!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Replete with "old farts" doing homey "old fart" things. >
>...bsrp
>> >> ...jlk
>> >
>
> funny how you youngsters like old fart things----bon fire & beer for
>instance
Bonfires and beer are the exclusive domain of neither. Fires and
alcohol are both part of the human experience.
>>
>>
>> >young guys are like little women, worrying what other people think
>etc etc
>>
>> C'mon out to a dz and you'll find out pretty quickly how much people
>care about what you think.
>
>you want me to drive 4 or 5 hours just to look at fashion queens,
You can drive less to Beaumont or Gladewater and bring back to
skydiving that which you imagine has been lost or thrown away.
>I think not---you do not get slot, water, electricity and food for
>$500n canadian a month,
Excuses, excuses - just day trip it and get a clue on how things
really are. Warning - how things really are might not jibe with your
rhetoric and might make you feel foolish.
> then waste next months money going down to a
>high priced American DZ
Hell, you waste more money (20-40 percent more) going to a higher
priced dz in canada.
>ust to sastify stupid American kid's
>interest----see where I'm coming from Mr. thinks he's important?
I never said, suggested, or even intimated that I was or even thought
I was somehow important. You just got a bug up your ass because since
I take the time to call you an idiot when you're idiotic, ridicule you
when you're ridiculous, and the gravest sin - skydive when you are
unable - this to you translates to me thinking I'm important. As for
satisfying interest, well - doctors agree that laughter is good for
the heart and with the non-stop hilarity I expect would be the outcome
of you attmepting your act live - it's bound to put years on
everybody's lives.
>>
>> >etc....youth is wasted on you U SAPS
>>
>> Skydiving was obviously wasted on you - especially that S/L training.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>yes J.E. did say you were a video girl, not much money in S/L for you
>huh, so you eat up with it?
As I've told you before - flying camera is one of the things I've done
before and consider myself half-way competent in doing (no NJ's, knock
wood bigtime) but skydiving has many, many disciplines - I'm not a
master in any of them but I've enjoyed every taste I've had and look
forwards to everything the sport has to offer down the line.
...bsrp
...jlk
JPO
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 7 Mar 2005 19:45:39 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 7 Mar 2005 17:02:58 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> On 7 Mar 2005 12:31:17 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
> >wrote:
> >> >>
> >> ><jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
> >> >> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >Texas U.S. year round and stayed away from U SAP DZ's
> >>
> >> I don't think you've been sullied by any dz at all - actually,
> >> viceversa.
not in U.S. thats for sure, young citizens that live near the border
will cross to slum with USAPS most are looking for and checking out
2nd hand modern gear to maybe bring back & jump in Canada. Say U SAP DZ
is pretty fine but expensive, maybe thinking the only way to afford
jumping at southern twin dz's is to work in America where everybody
seems to be overpayed. So we say "just order used gear from DZ rigger
down there
and stay up here where people and prices are real---oh no not for kids
they want to follow the excitement even if it is not real, just some
talk em up. J.E. say "Well you cain't keep a kid down on the Farm you
dumb Canuck, let them go get skint and learn their own lessons on
American
ecconomics! Sackalay this how you say? SUCKS
> I don't believe you. I think you are making shit up.
And everybody over 65 up here thinks your in denial, except J.E. He
just say, Jerrycul is just part of the inflation problem around Texas
DZ's, the boy makes good money durning the week-enough to pay for his
own jumps but like a spolit young woman he wants to be carried, not pay
her way or work it off on her back---let other people pay the
way---students, novices and the unaware so now you want canada to chip
in yes?- We guess you want us to come down hold you coat and open doors
for you sweet young ass eh kid?
>I think you are
> fooling no one but yurself.
We think you want us to waste good canadian money>
> >I am in Texas for the winter, they
> >calling us Canadian snow birds---not jump here, refuse to support U
SAP
> >system,
>
> Nice excuse but it doesn't fly because, you see - there are dz's here
> which are not part of any official association.
>
Oh? good, you andother young leechs won't be there at them eh?
> cost OF RECREATION is high in U.S. unless you camping with J.E. and
the old Greek woman
>
> As far as skydivingis concerned, the cost is higher in Canada.
Only because OF exchange rate, you & U SAPS like you are not allowed to
work the DZ's mon cher it remains cheaper than U.S of A. ANYTHING
> >So we hunt and fish down here in
> >it's stead---J.E. is our guide, lucky for us-he knows cheap way to
go
> >because we are trying to get by on $500 Canadian a month until late
> >spring or early summer then going back to canada for summer and
early
> >fall
>
> Nonsense, your existance here is merely an attempt to fool people and
> "stir things up," since when you were posting as the snuffwad, you
> kept on getting pasted for steppinng it it. Somehow you concluded
> that if you could change your name, you could continue on in a
similar
> vein without having your opinions and assertions torpedoed.
> Unfortunatey you tried this in a very ham-handedly transparent
> fashion, were discovered for who you reallyu are almost immediately
> (the suggestion that it was cheaper to jump in Canada than the US was
> a dead giveaway) and now you're stuck having to pretend to be
Canadian
> and making shit up, which you will, as sure as the sun rises in the
> east, contradict yourself or slip up in some way or another (the
being
> 40 in 1964 and 69 years old now, as a prime example) and the ridicule
> you hoped to avoid is yours to bask in, just as it has been in the
> past. Your name has changed but the song remains the same.
>
Tsk Tsk, you have bad case of how they say paranoia? J.E, really
branded you mind with sword of truth eh? Look Look! over there behind
that hanger, he is watching you and fingering his sword of truth and
wisdom like some terrible angel. RUN RUN U SAP RUN FOR YOU LIFE he's
coming this way!
> >> >>
> >> >>Both USA & Canada free countrys, you can go
> >> >> >to any DZ you wanting to and if you have a tail dragger
sitting
> >in the barn you can jump where you can take off and land-----just
> >notify
> >> >authoritys (OR NOT)
> >> >> >HAHAHAHAHAHA, whoops here come the mounties across the
pasture.
> >> >> >ya ya not for you freak out boy, you got no nerves
> >> > better go to CSPA DZ and play it safe, yeah
> >> >
> >> >> >Like Ludwig say why we need this damn plane? Everybody farting
> >> >around tll dark. Then hollar we go up now! Government tatletales
&
> >Mounties cain't see us now!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Replete with "old farts" doing homey "old fart" things. >
> >...bsrp
> >> >> ...jlk
> >> >
> >
> > funny how you youngsters like old fart things----bon fire & beer
for
> >instance
>
> Bonfires and beer are the exclusive domain of neither. Fires and
> alcohol are both part of the human experience.
>
May be so but who was there first?
> >you young guys are like little women, worrying what other people
think
> >etc etc
> >>
> >> C'mon out to a dz and you'll find out pretty quickly how much
people
> >care about what you think.
> >
> >you want me to drive 4 or 5 hours just to look at fashion queens,
>
> You can drive less to Beaumont or Gladewater and bring back to
> skydiving that which you imagine has been lost or thrown away.
J.E. said Gladewater is as far as Waller from here---never been there,
don't even remember if it exsisted back when. Was thinking old closed
up
Sherevport La. DZ had the customers in that part of Texas
> I think not---you do not get slot, water, electricity and food for
> $500n canadian a month, Not wasting it on gas money for wild goose
chases
>
> Excuses, excuses - just day trip it and get a clue on how things
> really are. Warning - how things really are might not jibe with your
> rhetoric and might make you feel foolish.
>
Then that also makes you foolish for talking to me eh?
> > then waste next months money going down to a
> >high priced American DZ
>
> Hell, you waste more money (20-40 percent more) going to a higher
> priced dz in canada.
Canada is home for many of us and being older we no longer go to CSPA
and or SPAS DZ's anyway, don't hang around school playgrounds either
eh?
Afraid we grew up Jerrycurl
> >Not wasting our wintr over money, just to sastify stupid American
Oh yeah about Beaumont, J.E. said web page was not working last time he
checked....don't even know if it exists anymore but if flu season die's
down---Flu is pretty bad along coastal citys in Texas right
now....people living jammed up like rats down there he says but maybe
if the Flu reports go down we drive over to Beaumont on weekend to eat
at the Olive Garden its only 2 or so hours away and then go by on hwy
90 look in old city airport and check on dz coming back....Maybe see
you there kid...let you waste some gas also....not wasting our gas just
to look at gay young skydiver...We are come for night out and dinner in
city ;-* JPO
Jerry K.
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 7 Mar 2005 19:45:39 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 7 Mar 2005 17:02:58 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> >> On 7 Mar 2005 12:31:17 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
>> >wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> ><jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
>> >> >> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Texas U.S. year round and stayed away from U SAP DZ's
>> >>
>> >> I don't think you've been sullied by any dz at all - actually,
>> >> viceversa.
>
> not in U.S. thats for sure,
Well, what with Wisconsin's lower prices, I can see why.
>young citizens that live near the border
> will cross to slum with USAPS most are looking for and checking out
>2nd hand modern gear to maybe bring back & jump in Canada.
Oh, sure - new, "modern" gear (or even second hand) is never available
in Canada, uh uh.
>Say U SAP DZ
>is pretty fine but expensive,
Just not as expesnive as their neighboring dz's north of the border.
> maybe thinking the only way to afford
>jumping at southern twin dz's is to work in America where everybody
>seems to be overpayed.
As opposed to jumping at Canadian dz's where everyone seems to be
overcharged.
>So we say "just order used gear from DZ rigger
>down there
>and stay up here where people and prices are real---
Right - real---expensive - a good 20-40% more expensive than US
lift-ticket prices.
>oh no not for kids
>they want to follow the excitement
I admit, $15US lift-tickets (every day) are exciting if you're used to
paying over $24US ($30 Canadian) for the same ride to altitude.
>even if it is not real,
But especially if it IS real - which it is.
>just some
>talk em up. J.E. say "Well you cain't keep a kid down on the Farm you
>dumb Canuck, let them go get skint and learn their own lessons on
>American
>ecconomics!
Hell, that happens the moment they pay for a lift-ticket in Wisconsin
and realize they're paying a good 20-40% less than they were north of
the border. There's a lesson here - lift-tickets are less expensive
down here than up there.
>Sackalay this how you say? SUCKS
I don't doubt it - word gets back that jumps are cheaper down in
Wisconsin, gonna be a lotta bitchy Canadian skydivers - might start
demanding the dz fork over for a keg more regularely to square things.
>
>> I don't believe you. I think you are making shit up.
>
>And everybody over 65 up here thinks your in denial, except J.E.
Ah, yes - a veritable line around the trailer, trailing off into the
woods of all these people waiting their turn to read whatever ridicule
on you is requisite for the day...or maybe the line just goes as far
as back around your cerebral cortex.
>He
>just say, Jerrycul is just part of the inflation problem around Texas
>DZ's,
Not at all - as a matter of fact, I help keep prices down. It isn't
all me but I do my part.
> the boy makes good money durning the week-enough to pay for his
>own jumps but like a spolit young woman he wants to be carried, not pay
>her way or work it off on her back--
Because, as you know, it's not so much the skydive and it's not so
much the money, but it is how the money is acquired which tells the
skydiving tale, eh?
>-let other people pay the
>way---students, novices and the unaware
Naw, that ain't true - no one who ever paid for video did so unaware
that they would be paying for video.
>so now you want canada to chip
>in yes?-
Well, they could drop their prices twenty to fourty percent and maybe
pay their camera guys less if you're looking for parity - I mean,
student video is more expensive in Canada than in the US.
>We guess you want us to come down hold you coat and open doors
>for you sweet young ass eh kid?
Naw, just you staying on your knees and opening wide for as long as
you have is quite sufficient. Say ahh, sweetie!
>
>>I think you are
>> fooling no one but yurself.
>
>We think you want us to waste good canadian money>
Well, "you" waste it up there what with the higher prices for
lift-tickets - I mean, if you were wasting money down here, at least
you'd be getting more jumps and more altitude out of your money
wasting.
>> >I am in Texas for the winter, they
>> >calling us Canadian snow birds---not jump here, refuse to support U
>SAP
>> >system,
>>
>> Nice excuse but it doesn't fly because, you see - there are dz's here
>> which are not part of any official association.
>>
>Oh? good, you andother young leechs won't be there at them eh?
Sometimes - I was at one last month, as a matter of fact.
>
>> cost OF RECREATION is high in U.S. unless you camping with J.E. and
>the old Greek woman
>>
>> As far as skydivingis concerned, the cost is higher in Canada.
>
>Only because OF exchange rate,
Oh, so now it's an "Only because," instead of "it's without
exception." This is a slip. Let's take it further - just this time
in pre-schooler terms:
No, not only. Pay attention.
Lift ticket to altitude at Gananoque $30 CD
Lift ticket to altitude at Waller $15 US
One Canadian dollar = .81 US dollars.
One US dollar = 1.23 Canadian dollars.
Lift ticket to altitude at Gananoque expressed in US dollars - $24 US.
Lift ticket to altitude at Waller expressed in CD dollars - $18 CD
An exchange rate expresses what one unit of one currency translates to
in relative units of another currency.
Now, imagine both dz's were across town from each other but each
retained their current, lift-ticket price.
BOTH IN CANADA
Gananoque - $30 CD
Waller - $18 CD
BOTH IN US
Gananoque - $24US
Waller - $15US
No doubt you will be unable to understand this illustration. As it
was in skydiving, so it goes with simple multiplication and division,
your learning disability runs mighty deep.
>you & U SAPS like you are not allowed to
>work the DZ's mon cher it remains cheaper than U.S of A. ANYTHING
No, you're wrong - entirely wrong. I *might* not be able to work
there unless I worked out some sort of worker's permit thing, since
I'd be a foreigner, but as for people "like me," -say there's a video
geek up there who shoots students. Keep in mind I shoot students
maybe twice a year but for the sake of the argument, I'll mine the
"like you are not allowed to work the DZ's" angle.
Student video at Ganaoque - $95 Canadian
Student video at Waller - $69 US
One Canadian dollar = .81 US dollars.
One US dollar = 1.23 Canadian dollars.
Student video at Gananoque expressed in US dollars - $75 US.
Student video at Waller expressed in CD dollars - $85 CD
BOTH IN CANADA
Gananoque - $95 CD
Waller - $85 CD
BOTH IN US
Gananoque - $75US
Waller - $69US
So, as you might see if you opened your eyes, even student video in
Canada is more expensive than in the US. Now, imagine how much of a
kickback the Canadian videogeek gets for his efforts? Or do you
believe that maybe the Canadian dz keeps more of that pie? They
certainly ain't kicking it back to the student.
Naw, just a reasonable familiarity with what you like to say, how you
say it, and from where it is said. Walther was more eloquent than I
when he explained a leopard can't change its spots.
>J.E, really
>branded you mind with sword of truth eh?
The reek of garbage is, indeed, recognizably memorable.
>Look Look! over there behind
>that hanger, he is watching you and fingering his sword of truth
AKA - playing pocket-pool.
>and
>wisdom like some terrible angel. RUN RUN U SAP RUN FOR YOU LIFE he's
>coming this way!
No, you've often been invited but so far, all that's come this way are
lameass excuses declining.
>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Both USA & Canada free countrys, you can go
>> >> >> >to any DZ you wanting to and if you have a tail dragger
>sitting
>> >in the barn you can jump where you can take off and land-----just
>> >notify
>> >> >authoritys (OR NOT)
>> >> >> >HAHAHAHAHAHA, whoops here come the mounties across the
>pasture.
>> >> >> >ya ya not for you freak out boy, you got no nerves
>> >> > better go to CSPA DZ and play it safe, yeah
>> >> >
>> >> >> >Like Ludwig say why we need this damn plane? Everybody farting
>> >> >around tll dark. Then hollar we go up now! Government tatletales
>&
>> >Mounties cain't see us now!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Replete with "old farts" doing homey "old fart" things. >
>> >...bsrp
>> >> >> ...jlk
>> >> >
>> >
>> > funny how you youngsters like old fart things----bon fire & beer
>for
>> >instance
>>
>> Bonfires and beer are the exclusive domain of neither. Fires and
>> alcohol are both part of the human experience.
>>
> May be so but who was there first?
First? So, now the legitimacy in this regard is rendered by how the
race went - right in line, Jinnie. Your slip is showing. Now, as to
who came "first," paleolithically speaking, I think it's an unknown
but it's a fair guess that when fire and booze was first realized,
it's safe to say that there were others, both younger and older who
observed while whoever was "first" got too drunk and caught his ass on
fire.
>> >you young guys are like little women, worrying what other people
>think
>> >etc etc
>> >>
>> >> C'mon out to a dz and you'll find out pretty quickly how much
>people
>> >care about what you think.
>> >
>> >you want me to drive 4 or 5 hours just to look at fashion queens,
>>
>> You can drive less to Beaumont or Gladewater and bring back to
>> skydiving that which you imagine has been lost or thrown away.
>
> J.E. said Gladewater is as far as Waller from here---never been there,
>don't even remember if it exsisted back when. Was thinking old closed
>up
>Sherevport La. DZ had the customers in that part of Texas
Well then - I guess if it's just a matter of distance to conquer if
you have any predisposition towards bringing back to skydiving that
which you imagine has been lost or thrown away.
>> I think not---you do not get slot, water, electricity and food for
>> $500n canadian a month, Not wasting it on gas money for wild goose
>chases
>>
>> Excuses, excuses - just day trip it and get a clue on how things
>> really are. Warning - how things really are might not jibe with your
>> rhetoric and might make you feel foolish.
>>
> Then that also makes you foolish for talking to me eh?
Well, I never said talking to you was indicative of smart, especially
since I got to dumb it down so much, but as for foolish - it is indeed
a foolish waste of time but the payback is, 1) how funny your lines
of reasonings become, 2) I know that every post you make addressing my
corrections and ridicule of your dumb ass is one less post you spend
abusing anyone else, and 3) between your across the board inanity and
my point by tedious point inanity in response to yours, less patient
(and certainly bored, if not fed up) individuals will be killfiling
one or both of us and and in that regard, I'm happy to be shutdown as,
since you are diverted, it takes you down as well. It's win-win.
>> > then waste next months money going down to a
>> >high priced American DZ
>>
>> Hell, you waste more money (20-40 percent more) going to a higher
>> priced dz in canada.
>
> Canada is home for many of us and being older we no longer go to CSPA
>and or SPAS DZ's anyway, don't hang around school playgrounds either
>eh?
>Afraid we grew up Jerrycurl
Which is cool and it happens but as you have "grown up," it is kinda
arbitrary to conclude you're grown up enough to no longer skydive and
at the same time, feel yourself to be legitimate in complaining about
and bemoaning the state of skydiving, as you have no accurate frame of
reference to complain from and certainly have no desire to make any
positive changes within skydiving towards what you consider to be for
its better.
And, as you know, dropzones cannot exist in this material plane of
existance unless they have a presence on the web. You could call
them.
>don't even know if it exists anymore but if flu season die's
>down---Flu is pretty bad along coastal citys in Texas right
>now....
As opposed to out in the woods where maladies are more limited more to
scourges of the venereal and inbreeding variety. Remember the Polk
county cleft-palate outbreak of 98? God's wrath.
>eople living jammed up like rats down there he says but maybe
>if the Flu reports go down we drive over to Beaumont on weekend to eat
>at the Olive Garden its only 2 or so hours away and then go by on hwy
>90 look in old city airport and check on dz coming back....
Right - be sure to let everyone at Beaumont know when you feel safe
from the flu - maybe you can be honorary S&TA for the day - no wait -
that would be ridiculous.
>Maybe see
>you there kid...let you waste some gas also....not wasting our gas just
>to look at gay young skydiver...We are come for night out and dinner in
>city
Where the tire touches road will be whether you let anyone know or
just sneak on out. Moot for now as it is still entirely supposition
and there's always time for excuses between now and the end of
flu-season.
...bsrp
...jlk
JPO
> >young citizens that live near the border
> > will cross to slum with USAPS most are looking for and checking out
> >2nd hand modern gear to maybe bring back & jump in Canada.
Well hell we just see a Canadian trying to sell you two rigs, one
with a sabre on another thread and you poo poo one because of colors
and the other
because of gear fear...."Oh no, price is good but it has ROL, Oh no
Sabre is to small for me...ohhhhh noooo one rig has nylon lines---it
sounds like crew rig oh oh oh what shall I do?" You want me to go wake
J.E. up? HE TELL YOU QUICK hahahahahaha
> Oh, sure - new, "modern" gear (or even second hand) is never
available
> in Canada, uh uh.
Yeah U right SAP looks like to me, we Canadians are trying to sell you
Americans back your shitty old Sabre's----Don't make me go wake Jimmy
up, he's already been on you for running ROL's down...want me to ask
him how far it is to Waller or about those no fine print involved $15
Otter tickets? HOT DAMN we be up all night then and he will be grumpy
all day tomorrow-----OK nevermind Regards JPO
> Lift ticket to altitude at Gananoque $30 CD
> Lift ticket to altitude at Waller $15 US
>
> One Canadian dollar = .81 US dollars.
> One US dollar = 1.23 Canadian dollars.
>
> Lift ticket to altitude at Gananoque expressed in US dollars - $24
US.
> Lift ticket to altitude at Waller expressed in CD dollars - $18 CD
>
> >> >>
> >> >> ...bsrp
> >> >> ...jlk
OK I tell him tomorrow USAP2000 has DZ in Canada Goodly night JPO
Jerry K.
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 8 Mar 2005 05:53:14 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>
>> >young citizens that live near the border
>> > will cross to slum with USAPS most are looking for and checking out
>> >2nd hand modern gear to maybe bring back & jump in Canada.
>
> Well hell we just see a Canadian trying to sell you two rigs, one
>with a sabre on another thread and you poo poo one because of colors
Actually, I didn't - I pretty much suggested price trumps color on
used gear.
>and the other
>because of gear fear....
Actually, I commented that he might drop the price because of the ROL
given that with the popularity of freeflying, and since he was
targetting it towards new jumpers looking for their first rig, that
the ROL would not be much of a selling point - given it was likely
that if a new jumper bought it, it would be probably be re-fit to a
deployment system more agreeable to 3 axis flight.
>"Oh no, price is good but it has ROL,
Actually, price is good but it would be better if it dropped a little
because of the ROL.
>Oh no
>Sabre is to small for me...
Actually, Saber to large for me and too many for me - already got one
- don't need a 4th canopy.
>ohhhhh noooo one rig has nylon lines---it
>sounds like crew rig oh oh oh what shall I do?"
Actually, I suggested a new jumper might be better off with dacron.
>You want me to go wake
>J.E. up? HE TELL YOU QUICK hahahahahaha
No need - you're channeling him just fine - anyway - you just did.
>
>> Oh, sure - new, "modern" gear (or even second hand) is never
>available
>> in Canada, uh uh.
>
>Yeah U right SAP looks like to me,
Carefull - you do know that there is a Canadian dz, and may well be
more than one, strongly associated with the association in the United
States.
>we Canadians are trying to sell you
>Americans back your shitty old Sabre's----
As opposed to shitty new Falcons? Sounds to me like the guys trying
to move some older gear that he isn't jumping and/or needing anymore.
>Don't make me go wake Jimmy
>up,
Not possible, the dinglberry's been in a veritable coma for as long as
I can remember. Well, a vegetative state, in any case.
>he's already been on you for running ROL's down...
Well, you pitched a hissy about it but "on me?" Hardly. Just the
same old rhetorical crap you spout when an aspect of your short time
in the sport has its warts mentioned - thus rendering the tenuous
self-affirmation that much more unstable. Nothing new there. One of
my favorite ironies is that I could never run S/L down, for example,
when compared with how you ran it down by ending up where you are
today in relation to participation in the sport. Yep, a big hairy
wart (actually, several) all over S/L and I never said a thing about
it. All you.
>want me to ask
>him how far it is to Waller or about those no fine print involved $15
>Otter tickets?
Feel free. If he (you) knew what you're talking about the answer will
follow the lines of, 46 miles as the car drives from the center of
downtown to the building at Waller and there is no fine print,
anywhere, regarding the very cool price for lift-ticets out there.
Any other answer is fantasy - though, probably more comforting for
you.
>HOT DAMN we be up all night then and he will be grumpy
>all day tomorrow-----OK nevermind Regards JPO
Yo, Jinnnie - how 'bout those high prices for lift-tickets and video
in Canada and what's up with Canadian dz's being affiliated with the
association in the United States? I thought you said USAP was a US
thing but it seems Canada's embraced the idea. No big deal - just
curious to hear your spin on such an inconvienent reality.
>
>> Lift ticket to altitude at Gananoque $30 CD
>> Lift ticket to altitude at Waller $15 US
>>
>> One Canadian dollar = .81 US dollars.
>> One US dollar = 1.23 Canadian dollars.
>>
>> Lift ticket to altitude at Gananoque expressed in US dollars - $24
>US.
>> Lift ticket to altitude at Waller expressed in CD dollars - $18 CD
>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ...bsrp
>> >> >> ...jlk
>
>OK I tell him tomorrow USAP2000 has DZ in Canada Goodly night JPO
They might have several. Whadya think?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 9 Mar 2005 23:01:34 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 8 Mar 2005 05:53:14 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
> >>
> >
> >> >young citizens that live near the border
> >> > will cross to slum with USAPS most are looking for and checking
out
> >> >2nd hand modern gear to maybe bring back & jump in Canada.
> >
> > Well hell we just see a Canadian trying to sell you two rigs, one
> >with a sabre on another thread and you poo poo one because of colors
>
> Actually, I didn't - I pretty much suggested price trumps color on
> used gear.
>
> >and the other
> >because of gear fear....
>
> Actually, I commented that he might drop the price because of the ROL
> given that with the popularity of freeflying, and since he was
> targetting it towards new jumpers looking for their first rig, that
> the ROL would not be much of a selling point - given it was likely
> that if a new jumper bought it, it would be probably be re-fit to a
> deployment system more agreeable to 3 axis flight.
>
> >"Oh no, price is good but it has ROL,
>
> Actually, price is good but it would be better if it dropped a little
> because of the ROL.
**Its a good beginner rig for a person in the right weight
range----somebody who may need to rack up jumps, learn to belly fly and
go for a falco rather than go straight to that freak crap, finding
someone that short to fit the harness may add a little difficulty if
he's trying to see it to an American----well maybe it will fit a husky
chick. Your twin Christi maybe. ;->
> >Oh no
> >Sabre is to small for me...
>
> Actually, Saber to large for me and too many for me - already got one
> - don't need a 4th canopy.
You got 3 Sabre's twinkle toes?, why ain't you upgraded to one of those
new PD zips yet boy? Cain't handle them?
>
> >ohhhhh noooo one rig has nylon lines---it
> >sounds like crew rig oh oh oh what shall I do?"
>
> Actually, I suggested a new jumper might be better off with dacron.
**Just anybody wanting to save on toobe stows might like them....I
bought Arts sharpshooter before he left for Queerafornia, it had the
old thick lines because it was set up for Crw....My falcon had micro
lines----guess which one ate less stows plus the dacron was easyider on
the hands if you were packing a lot every weekend.----laid truer while
flaking....had a lot of good atributes....I have done give you a
lecture on BOC versus ROL through JPO's account--every evening when I
come in he's waiting to tell me the latest thing scuppie boy has said
about me or skydiving.....I think the old Canuck must be a glutton for
punishment, trying to work with you like he does your'e just another
punk twit. JPO's right, I do believe you still have gear fear sweety.
> >You want me to go wake
> >J.E. up? HE TELL YOU QUICK hahahahahaha
>
> No need - you're channeling him just fine - anyway - you just did.
>
Yeah? The old boy started in 1956 about two years after the CSPA was
formed, you thought he would sidee with your sissy ways perhaps? haw
haw haw
> >
> >> Oh, sure - new, "modern" gear (or even second hand) is never
> >available
> >> in Canada, uh uh.
> >
> >Yeah U right SAP looks like to me,
**Sorry about that, cain't seem to teach him how to say USPA2000
> Carefull - you do know that there is a Canadian dz, and may well be
> more than one, strongly associated with the association in the United
> States.
>
> >we Canadians are trying to sell you
> >Americans back your shitty old Sabre's----
>
> As opposed to shitty new Falcons? Sounds to me like the guys trying
> to move some older gear that he isn't jumping and/or needing anymore.
>
> >Don't make me go wake Jimmy
> >up,
**Yes please, I need my naps.
>
> Not possible, the dinglberry's been in a veritable coma for as long
as
> I can remember. Well, a vegetative state, in any case.
>
> >he's already been on you for running ROL's down...
>
> Well, you pitched a hissy about it but "on me?" Hardly. Just the
> same old rhetorical crap you spout when an aspect of your short time
> in the sport has its warts mentioned - thus rendering the tenuous
> self-affirmation that much more unstable. Nothing new there. One of
> my favorite ironies is that I could never run S/L down, for example,
> when compared with how you ran it down by ending up where you are
> today in relation to participation in the sport. Yep, a big hairy
> wart (actually, several) all over S/L and I never said a thing about
> it. All you.
>
> >want me to ask
> >him how far it is to Waller or about those no fine print involved
$15
> >Otter tickets?
**Tell him the requirements to get a cheap otter ticket you little
chicken choker
>
> Feel free. If he (you) knew what you're talking about the answer
will
> follow the lines of, 46 miles as the car drives from the center of
> downtown to the building at Waller and there is no fine print,
> anywhere, regarding the very cool price for lift-ticets out there.
> Any other answer is fantasy - though, probably more comforting for
> you.
It was a two and a half hour drive from LaPorte, shit Beaumont was
closer and you could get to SDD in 3 or 4 or less
> >HOT DAMN we be up all night then and he will be grumpy
> >all day tomorrow-----OK nevermind Regards JPO
>
> Yo, Jinnnie - how 'bout those high prices for lift-tickets and video
> in Canada and what's up with Canadian dz's being affiliated with the
> association in the United States? I thought you said USAP was a US
> thing but it seems Canada's embraced the idea. No big deal - just
> curious to hear your spin on such an inconvienent reality.
>
**dunno, never jumped up there, not with $10 Otter tickets at Waller
and $5.00 at SPX Anuach, hell their were Cessnas at Beaumont SPX and
Waller to if I wanted to jump Canadian style. Linsay had a C206, I
loved that plane
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Naw, I think Christy's set with rigs as well.
>
>
>
>> >Oh no
>> >Sabre is to small for me...
>>
>> Actually, Saber to large for me and too many for me - already got one
>> - don't need a 4th canopy.
>
>You got 3 Sabre's twinkle toes?, why ain't you upgraded to one of those
>new PD zips yet boy? Cain't handle them?
Actually, I have one Saber and, btw - the Saber is a ZP by PD.
>>
>> >ohhhhh noooo one rig has nylon lines---it
>> >sounds like crew rig oh oh oh what shall I do?"
>>
>> Actually, I suggested a new jumper might be better off with dacron.
>
>**Just anybody wanting to save on toobe stows might like them....
Better for Crew as well.
>I
>bought Arts sharpshooter before he left for Queerafornia, it had the
>old thick lines because it was set up for Crw....My falcon had micro
>lines----guess which one ate less stows plus the dacron was easyider on
>the hands if you were packing a lot every weekend.----laid truer while
>flaking....had a lot of good atributes....I have done give you a
>lecture on BOC versus ROL through JPO's account--
Well - you spewed some rhetoric, I'll give you that.
>every evening when I
>come in he's waiting to tell me the latest thing scuppie boy has said
>about me or skydiving.....
Imagine - going to east Texas just for the internet access.
>I think the old Canuck must be a glutton for
>punishment, trying to work with you like he does your'e just another
>punk twit. JPO's right, I do believe you still have gear fear sweety.
So, why'd didn't you stay with the regular slider which came with the
Falcon - afriad you couldn't find the sweet spot withoud the split?
>
>> >You want me to go wake
>> >J.E. up? HE TELL YOU QUICK hahahahahaha
>>
>> No need - you're channeling him just fine - anyway - you just did.
>>
> Yeah? The old boy started in 1956 about two years after the CSPA was
>formed, you thought he would sidee with your sissy ways perhaps? haw
>haw haw
I think "he" might be an American expatriot who split to Canada in the
60's.
>> >
>> >> Oh, sure - new, "modern" gear (or even second hand) is never
>> >available
>> >> in Canada, uh uh.
>> >
>> >Yeah U right SAP looks like to me,
>
> **Sorry about that, cain't seem to teach him how to say USPA2000
The same USPA which dz's in Canada affiliate themselves with?
>
>> Carefull - you do know that there is a Canadian dz, and may well be
>> more than one, strongly associated with the association in the United
>> States.
>>
>> >we Canadians are trying to sell you
>> >Americans back your shitty old Sabre's----
>>
>> As opposed to shitty new Falcons? Sounds to me like the guys trying
>> to move some older gear that he isn't jumping and/or needing anymore.
>>
>> >Don't make me go wake Jimmy
>> >up,
>
> **Yes please, I need my naps.
Well, I suppose if there's a life out there for you somwhere it's
gotta exist--------> in your dreams.
>>
>> Not possible, the dinglberry's been in a veritable coma for as long
>as
>> I can remember. Well, a vegetative state, in any case.
>>
>> >he's already been on you for running ROL's down...
>>
>> Well, you pitched a hissy about it but "on me?" Hardly. Just the
>> same old rhetorical crap you spout when an aspect of your short time
>> in the sport has its warts mentioned - thus rendering the tenuous
>> self-affirmation that much more unstable. Nothing new there. One of
>> my favorite ironies is that I could never run S/L down, for example,
>> when compared with how you ran it down by ending up where you are
>> today in relation to participation in the sport. Yep, a big hairy
>> wart (actually, several) all over S/L and I never said a thing about
>> it. All you.
>>
>> >want me to ask
>> >him how far it is to Waller or about those no fine print involved
>$15
>> >Otter tickets?
>
> **Tell him the requirements to get a cheap otter ticket you little
>chicken choker
It's real arduous - you gotta go to manifest.
>>
>> Feel free. If he (you) knew what you're talking about the answer
>will
>> follow the lines of, 46 miles as the car drives from the center of
>> downtown to the building at Waller and there is no fine print,
>> anywhere, regarding the very cool price for lift-ticets out there.
>> Any other answer is fantasy - though, probably more comforting for
>> you.
>
> It was a two and a half hour drive from LaPorte, shit Beaumont was
> closer and you could get to SDD in 3 or 4 or less
Which is still more than the 50-70 miles you were quoting to dz's
around Houston from downtown and even more than the 35-46 miles away
from downtown reality.
>
>> >HOT DAMN we be up all night then and he will be grumpy
>> >all day tomorrow-----OK nevermind Regards JPO
>>
>> Yo, Jinnnie - how 'bout those high prices for lift-tickets and video
>> in Canada and what's up with Canadian dz's being affiliated with the
>> association in the United States? I thought you said USAP was a US
>> thing but it seems Canada's embraced the idea. No big deal - just
>> curious to hear your spin on such an inconvienent reality.
>>
> **dunno, never jumped up there, not with $10 Otter tickets at Waller
>and $5.00 at SPX Anuach, hell their were Cessnas at Beaumont SPX and
>Waller to if I wanted to jump Canadian style. Linsay had a C206, I
>loved that plane
Sure purport to know a fair amount about it considering you never
jumped there.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2005 06:29:39 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 9 Mar 2005 23:01:34 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> On 8 Mar 2005 05:53:14 -0800, "JPO" <jonpier...@yahoo.ca>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> Actually, price is good but it would be better if it dropped a
little
> >> because of the ROL.
> >
> >**Its a good beginner rig for a person in the right weight
> >range----somebody who may need to rack up jumps, learn to belly fly
and
> >go for a falco rather than go straight to that freak crap, finding
> >someone that short to fit the harness may add a little difficulty if
> >he's trying to see it to an American----well maybe it will fit a
husky
> >chick. Your twin Christi maybe.
>
> Naw, I think Christy's set with rigs as well
Always was, she had a white jumpsuite at one time also, never figgered
that out...she got cut from the old Deguello 20-way that year, so what
did it mean-----"she was claiming to still a Virgin or what?
HAHAHAHAHAHA dayum
>
> >
> >
> >
> >> >Oh no
> >> >Sabre is to small for me...
> >>
> >> Actually, Saber to large for me and too many for me - already got
one
> >> - don't need a 4th canopy.
> >
> >You got 3 Sabre's twinkle toes?, why ain't you upgraded to one of
those
> >new PD zips yet boy? Cain't handle them?
>
> Actually, I have one Saber and, btw - the Saber is a ZP by PD.
>
No shit always was but PD has some new zip cuts out ya know...I let
the skydiving mag go but surf the new gear dealers to keep up....I
think your'e either to cheap to get a more radical cut than that Cow
the Sabre or a flat out pussy....ain't figgered it out yet, tell you
what--buy a white jumpsuit with matching booties, at least try to send
the right signal to us rednecks HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAW HAW HAW ching
ching zing
>
> >> >ohhhhh noooo one rig has nylon lines---it
> >> >sounds like crew rig oh oh oh what shall I do?"
> >>
> >> Actually, I suggested a new jumper might be better off with
dacron.
> >
> >**Just anybody wanting to save on toobe stows might like them....
>
> Better for Crew as well.
Nothing wrong with dacron lines or the ROL either COME ON SAY IT YOU
YUPPIE WANNABEbitch
> >When I come in JPO's waiting to tell me the latest thing scuppie boy
has said about me or skydiving.....
>
> Imagine - going to east Texas just for the internet access.
Nope he's here for the winter, eastex just happens to be the only thing
avaliable out in the National Forrest...shit were 23 miles from nowhere
You wouldn't survive out here city boy ;)
> >I think the old Canuck must be a glutton for
> >punishment, trying to work with you like he does your'e just another
> >punk twit. JPO's right, I do believe you still have gear fear
sweety.
>
> So, why'd didn't you stay with the regular slider which came with the
> Falcon - afriad you couldn't find the sweet spot withoud the split?
>
No, I gained weight drinking student beer & eating DZ food...Those
windless blistering hot July and August days down in the coastal region
told on me....if I could get 5 or 10 miles of indicated wind it was
alright
But with the windsock hanging the F111 material couldn't handle my
landing weight by itself at just over 1 to 1---the split slider solved
that...A F265 is flat flying, the slider let the lines spread out &
made it fly way further, had Mike sew hang loops on both front & rear
risers---I could really hose a load BIG TIME, not just novices
either....I've hosed Mad Dog
and Christi both plus half of the old deguello at one time or
another---I lived for that kind of shit, you know "LETS SEE WHO HAS TO
WALK THE FURTHEST OR CLIMB THE MOST FENCES? ;) ohm ohm ohm
> >
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Probably still had some life in the suit, is all.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> >Oh no
>> >> >Sabre is to small for me...
>> >>
>> >> Actually, Saber to large for me and too many for me - already got
>one
>> >> - don't need a 4th canopy.
>> >
>> >You got 3 Sabre's twinkle toes?, why ain't you upgraded to one of
>those
>> >new PD zips yet boy? Cain't handle them?
>>
>> Actually, I have one Saber and, btw - the Saber is a ZP by PD.
>>
> No shit always was but PD has some new zip cuts out ya know...I let
>the skydiving mag go but surf the new gear dealers to keep up....I
>think your'e either to cheap to get a more radical cut than that Cow
>the Sabre or a flat out pussy....
Naw, I got a couple other canopies beside the saber,
>ain't figgered it out yet, tell you
>what--buy a white jumpsuit with matching booties, at least try to send
>the right signal to us rednecks
Actually, I still got some life in both my jumpsuits as well.
>>
>> >> >ohhhhh noooo one rig has nylon lines---it
>> >> >sounds like crew rig oh oh oh what shall I do?"
>> >>
>> >> Actually, I suggested a new jumper might be better off with
>dacron.
>> >
>> >**Just anybody wanting to save on toobe stows might like them....
>>
>> Better for Crew as well.
>
> Nothing wrong with dacron lines or the ROL either COME ON SAY IT YOU
>YUPPIE WANNABEbitch
I think when I get the Saber re-lined it's gonna be with dacron. As
for ROL - I get all the ROL time I need doing demos.
>
>> >When I come in JPO's waiting to tell me the latest thing scuppie boy
>has said about me or skydiving.....
>>
>> Imagine - going to east Texas just for the internet access.
>
>Nope he's here for the winter, eastex just happens to be the only thing
>avaliable out in the National Forrest...shit were 23 miles from nowhere
>You wouldn't survive out here city boy
So you often say but actually, I have and can. No big deal - true, I
wasn't roughing it with satellite tv and the internet but I maanged to
scrape by.
>
>> >I think the old Canuck must be a glutton for
>> >punishment, trying to work with you like he does your'e just another
>> >punk twit. JPO's right, I do believe you still have gear fear
>sweety.
>>
>> So, why'd didn't you stay with the regular slider which came with the
>> Falcon - afriad you couldn't find the sweet spot withoud the split?
>>
>No, I gained weight drinking student beer & eating DZ food...Those
>windless blistering hot July and August days down in the coastal region
>told on me....if I could get 5 or 10 miles of indicated wind it was
>alright
>But with the windsock hanging the F111 material couldn't handle my
>landing weight by itself at just over 1 to 1---the split slider solved
>that...A F265 is flat flying, the slider let the lines spread out &
>made it fly way further, had Mike sew hang loops on both front & rear
>risers---
I can understand having them on the front because holding front can
get tiring after a while but on the rears? Hanging the rears is
pretty much effortless - especially so with regular risers - what was
your problem?
>I could really hose a load BIG TIME, not just novices
>either....I've hosed Mad Dog
>and Christi both plus half of the old deguello at one time or
>another---I lived for that kind of shit, you know "LETS SEE WHO HAS TO
>WALK THE FURTHEST OR CLIMB THE MOST FENCES?
I'm having a difficult time buying you were spotting loads - at least
more than once.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Well people got wise to my way's....I hadda hose myself and were
talking about some distance here....miles. So they tried to be tricky
and say OK you go first in case it was a short rather than a long, I
was so skilled at this shit I cud suck them out on the upwind
turn....even with a flat flying canopy like the Falcon, splitting the
slider amnd leaving the brakes set and making long looping turns with
risers wasn't enough...ya might have to hang rear risers all the way
back....Shit I'd fly straight down the FM roads around the Waller DZ
just below the telephone lines trying to get the last bit of lift off
pavement thermals----I cud fly that bitch like a power glider, then cut
laterally over the DZ fence, caught my keds on the top strand once and
did a gainer right into my canopy which went into a down plane about 15
feet off the grass---that gave the people I had been smoking great
pleasure, as did the down wind landing that tore the butt out of my
jumpsuit that came about because I rode it so far, there was no
altitude left for a turn....Geeze some of Deguello was standing over by
the fuel tank in the loading Area just howling....Hated to walk, even a
extra 10 ft. but liked to see others walking and cussing---thats a mean
old man thing
> >I could really hose a load BIG TIME, not just novices
> >either....I've hosed Mad Dog
> >and Christi both plus half of the old deguello at one time or
> >another---I lived for that kind of shit, you know "LETS SEE WHO HAS
TO
> >WALK THE FURTHEST OR CLIMB THE MOST FENCES?
>
> I'm having a difficult time buying you were spotting loads - at least
> more than once.
Well you see I was so popular at the time for my fuk you skygods
attitude,
our zoo formations were the biggest group on the Otter and protocol
required the leader of the biggest formation had the right to spot &
exit first... Get up by the Pilot ya fricking stuck up fancy lads, quit
your damn whining. If some out behind our formation skygod 4-way had
managed to get a seat near the door I just covered the light up with my
hand and leaned out the door...Had big hands cover both lights and palm
the Left/Right rocker switch at the same time...
I'd give the pilot a left, left then long right even if he was on
course
just to confuse people...Their little ole geeky necks would be
stretched up trying to look out the round porthole windows but leaning
out I could see a rooftop or something else they could identify coming
up and I'd simply move the Otter over where they couldn't see it from
where they sat----Shit I was an Artist at the hose. Got to where
Christi and her little RW Queen buddy's would begin yelling GO ROUND,
GO ROUND before I even gave the cut signal 0~;-> Snuffy the MoJo man
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
the unknown flailer
#2 This pin thing you got is in your head, its been checked twice and
was found to be seated in the loop-the flap is tucked, just set down
and relax kid or you are going to make some guys pin fall out setting 4
people over from you----do you need a pacifier to suck on, need a ride
to the nearest mental health unit? Most likely your closing loop will
break before a pin will fall out...you have self doubt, this goes
deeper than gear gear I'm afraid..
#3 About this standing up in the Otter. You can do that? What are you,
a fricking midget?
#4 Never fear Snuffy is on your case, I'm gonna cure this sickness with
my MoJo ;)P
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>#1 You're a W u s s y boy
Well, uh - it was you who said "we" (as in you and who knows?) needed
to give my head a knock and when I suggested there was nothing
stopping you it became more of a, "I'll send one of my soldiers."
Fine, call me a wussy boy - the dig hits so deep coming from some
dingleberry who can neither put up or shut up - oh, woe.
>
>#2 This pin thing you got is in your head,
The reasoning I'm working is simply - a pin is designed to come clear.
Pinchecks limit this occuring before it is desirable. Pins can be and
have been dislodged by people sitting, leaning, and/or pressing their
rig against other people, airplane bulkheads, ect. A pincheck before
jumprun and after the jumper has moved from their sitting, kneeling,
leaning position they were in on the ride to altitude and have since
readjusted from prior to the door coming open and movement towards
exit is a good idea, it doesn't take long, will likely catch the
possibility that a pin has been shifted on the ride to altitude, and
likely lessen the possibility of a rig coming open prior than desired.
Limiting this check to just prior to boarding is your decision - just
as having a check prior to jumprun is anyone else's. I'm betting the
check in the airplane will limit the open container in the airplane a
lot more than the alternative.
> its been checked twice and
>was found to be seated in the loop-the flap is tucked, just set down
>and relax kid or you are going to make some guys pin fall out setting 4
>people over from you----
Sure, checked once prior to being put on - good - not putting on a rig
with a wayward pin. Checked in the loading area - good - not boarding
while wearing a rig with a wayward pin. Sit down in the aircraft,
lean against whatever, pin stays put or it doesn't. Hell, I checked
this rig twice earlier - no way it's coming open as I sling myself out
the door. So, again - how many times you seen a rig come open and
someone get swept out? How many horshoes you had? What happened to
that rig check in the loading area - thought everything was right?
Hell, you knew it was right but the pin apparently knew different.
>do you need a pacifier to suck on,
>need a ride
>to the nearest mental health unit? Most likely your closing loop will
>break before a pin will fall out...
Which is something else to eyeball, as long as you're taking a look.
As for loops breaking, yep - happens, it's rare. As for pins being
shifted out - it happens, it's rare. But what's rarer still - the
idea that once you've checked it in the loading area, there's nothing
that'll shift it between then and jumprun. Nothing at all.
>you have self doubt, this goes
>deeper than gear gear I'm afraid..
Get real - this has little to do with doubt, gear, or even fear - this
has entirely to do with what I've seen, heard, and learned over time
spent in the sport longer than you (not a lot, I admit), and learned
from a helluva lot more experienced (and way smarter) people than you.
Comes down to this - you don't wanna believe a pin can be shifted out
in the airplane after it's been verified to be right on the ground -
you just don't have a clue and of that, with this mere example alone,
I have no doubt.
>
>#3 About this standing up in the Otter. You can do that? What are you,
>a fricking midget?
Standing up in terms of feet on the deck and bent forward, of course.
Kinda anal of ya - should I have said, "crouched?" Just the same,
unless you got stasis rapped around that pin and that loop and that
bridle and that pc - stasis enveloping them all from the check on the
ground until after you've shifted from sitting or kneeling or leaning
to *standing* (in a leaned forward sort of fashion which makes no
difference to the point at hand at all but is, of course, mentioned
here because the dinglberry's getting kinda anal again...) then the
possibility exists that the pin might have been shifted from where it
was when it was checked in the boarding area. Not saying it *will* be
shifted or that it's even *likely* to be shifted but it is enough of a
possibility and balanced with how freaking simple of a no brainer it
is to have someone check it out for you if you're so inclined, that to
just blindly assume that it can't be moved at all between the time of
the check on the ground and after you've shifted from whatever resting
position you might be in on the ride to altitude, is a stupid
assumption. Another bet which I'm sure you won't take up - as ever,
the stakes are a case of beer and a bottle of Jack but if you don't
like those stakes but care to take up the bet, name stakes more
pleasing to you - I'll bet you the aforementioned case and bottle that
I can put on a rig, tight loop and all, and I can move it in such a
away while leaning in an airplane against a bulkhead to where I can
pop that pin out in 10-20 minutes but likely in less time than that.
ANd so goes the refrain - put up or shutup.
>
>#4 Never fear Snuffy is on your case,
Right - the same dingleberry who's seen open containers sweep people
out the plane and who's had several horshoes - despite taking care of
business and making sure that pin was seated before he boarded.
>I'm gonna cure this sickness with
>my MoJo
Yo, doc - heal thyself first.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 14 Mar 2005 20:45:57 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >#1 You're a W u s s y boy
>
> Well, uh - it was you who said "we" (as in you and who knows?) needed
> to give my head a knock and when I suggested there was nothing
> stopping you it became more of a, "I'll send one of my soldiers."
> Fine, call me a wussy boy - the dig hits so deep coming from some
> dingleberry who can neither put up or shut up - oh, woe.
>
>
> >
> >#2 This pin thing you got is in your head,
>
> The reasoning I'm working is simply - a pin is designed to come
clear.
> Pinchecks limit this occuring before it is desirable.
A tight closing loop, the force of the tray flaps pushing upwards and
keeping the pin flap firmly tucked with at least one or maybe two pin
checks before boarding limit the prematures----If you could set still
on the climb, ya wouldn't think it was coming out all the time---See
what you get for not packing your own girly boy? Doubts "is it closed?
I didn't pack
it so didn't notice, is it closed? oh my god, ohmygod!" Then first
thing you know its 3500 ft AGL and the belts come off and here you are
crawling up and down the isle way like a spolit poodle going "my pin,
my pin IS IT COMING OUT? SOMEBODY CHECK MY PIN boo hoo hoo!" You're
Pathedic Jerry ;)P
dingleberry
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
P a t h e d i c little b i t c h ; LAST WORD, I GOT LAST WORD!
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 14 Mar 2005 20:45:57 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >#1 You're a W u s s y boy
>>
>> Well, uh - it was you who said "we" (as in you and who knows?) needed
>> to give my head a knock and when I suggested there was nothing
>> stopping you it became more of a, "I'll send one of my soldiers."
>> Fine, call me a wussy boy - the dig hits so deep coming from some
>> dingleberry who can neither put up or shut up - oh, woe.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >#2 This pin thing you got is in your head,
>>
>> The reasoning I'm working is simply - a pin is designed to come
>clear.
> When the PC jerks it out with some considerable force yeah
Sure, but the force required is a fair bit less than the force
available. That said, a similar but minimal force can and has been
applied to a pin or bridle while sitting, moving, and/or shifting and
a similar minimum force required to unseat the pin will still unseat
the pin, whether it's after throwing out or shifting in an airplane.
If you can imagine your pin having moved for whatever reason between
the moment when the pin was stowed while packing and when you check
over the rig before you put it on, it's not so far out to imagine the
pin having possibly been shifted between the moment of the pincheck in
the loading area and when you have moved from where you were riding to
altitude. If this were not something to consider then why bother with
a pincheck at all after the moment when the pin is first stowed while
packing?
>
>> Pinchecks limit this occuring before it is desirable.
>
>A tight closing loop, the force of the tray flaps pushing upwards and
>keeping the pin flap firmly tucked with at least one or maybe two pin
>checks before boarding limit the prematures----
This is true but then, a check post shifting from sitting, leaning,
moving to kneeling or standing sometime prior to exit will limit it
that much more and a check inthe boarding area will not, without fail,
limit the pin from being shifted due to some movement in the cabion.
>If you could set still
>on the climb, ya wouldn't think it was coming out all the time---
Which would be fine if you could board without leaning your rig
against anything or anyone and then without moving, transfer yourself
from that state of restin the cabin out immediately into freefall.
The reality is that this is not reality as you have to move from the
boarding area into the airplane and once in the airplane you have to
sit down where there are other people who will likely move and press
against bulkheads which your rig will likely press against. No one
automatically concludes that their pin has come out unless their
container has obviously fallen open but they do get a pincheck to
verify that all is still as it should be in an environment where
containers have before and can become open.
>See
>what you get for not packing your own girly boy?
No horsehoes yet (knock wood)? Wait - I do pack for myself so it's
not absoutely the packer which brings about how necesarry the pincheck
might be but maybe the environment surrounding the rig after it's been
closed which might determine how appropriate a pincheck might become?
>Doubts "is it closed?
>I didn't pack
>it so didn't notice, is it closed?
Ah, but I was the one wearing it and quite possibly aware when it had
been bumped or leaned against or otherwise had something up against
the cover over the pin.
>oh my god, ohmygod!"
Stand clear everyone - Jinnie's spurting bigtime! Naw, more of a,
"Yo-check my pin."
>Then first
>thing you know its 3500 ft AGL and the belts come off
Actually, belts come off usually a good deal lower than that but just
the same, that doesn't mean anyone's immediately shifting around at
that moment - that comes later - though, I have certainly seen someone
board, sitdown, and pop their pin.
>and here you are
>crawling up and down the isle way like a spolit poodle going "my pin,
>my pin IS IT COMING OUT? SOMEBODY CHECK MY PIN boo hoo hoo!"
Naw, more along the lines of people shifting, checking their own gear,
shifting to their feet prior to moving towards the door and making
contact with their rigs against something else. Then it's a matter
of, "Yo - give my pin a check."
>You're
>Pathedic Jerry
Let's see, who's the dingleberry who's had multiple horshoes in this
conversation? Who's the one in this conversation who assumes the pin
has no choice but to stay put once it's been checked in the loading
area yet, has also related antedotes where containers have come open
in the airplane? You're a dumbass so in love with his dingleberry
line of reasoing that not even past experience and hard reality makes
a difference when it comes to thinking things through.
>
>dingleberry
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>P a t h e d i c little b i t c h ; LAST WORD, I GOT LAST WORD!
For now but then, time is my side and as you dish so shall you receive
- besides - unless you make another stab at jumping sometime, thus far
the conclusion as to who will get the last jump has already been
determined.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 15 Mar 2005 05:30:08 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 14 Mar 2005 20:45:57 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
#1 You're a W u s s y boy
No horsehoes yet (knock wood)?
uh, its called (pinnis worry)---taint no wood involved, just a small
curved medal pin kid.
> >Then first
> >thing you know its 3500 ft AGL and the belts come off
>
> Actually, belts come off usually a good deal lower than that >
>dingleberry
> >> ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
Well thats changed since the mid 90's, GU/DZ's rules used to be pretty
similar. Helments and belts on till 3500'....specially if you had
students or tandem passengers aboard. The average S&TA's reasoning was
"hell, if its good for them, its good for everybody, buckle up!" thats
called "pratice what you're preaching" Jerr---a old concept. Artta
change it back, at least it would cut out at least 3500 feet of your
little Drama Queen dance. "my pin, my pin - is it falling out yet? waa
waa waaaaaaa"
HAW HAW HAW ;)P Snuffy
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 15 Mar 2005 05:30:08 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 14 Mar 2005 20:45:57 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >>
>#1 You're a W u s s y boy
Hell, I'm not the one here with some serious dz angst going on.
>
>No horsehoes yet (knock wood)?
>
>uh, its called (pinnis worry)---taint no wood involved, just a small
>curved medal pin kid.
Actually, it's called casus conspicio. They don't teach you that in
SL? Pretty much explains why you ain't jumping anymore.
>
>> >Then first
>> >thing you know its 3500 ft AGL and the belts come off
>>
>> Actually, belts come off usually a good deal lower than that >
>>dingleberry
>> >> ...bsrp
>> >> ...jlk
>
>Well thats changed since the mid 90's, GU/DZ's rules used to be pretty
>similar. Helments and belts on till 3500'....specially if you had
>students or tandem passengers aboard. The average S&TA's reasoning was
>"hell, if its good for them, its good for everybody, buckle up!" thats
>called "pratice what you're preaching" Jerr---a old concept. Artta
>change it back, at least it would cut out at least 3500 feet of your
>little Drama Queen dance. "my pin, my pin - is it falling out yet? waa
>waa waaaaaaa"
Seatbelts are always a good idea - I once forgot to take mine off and
at around 8K the pilot lost the #2 and then the kingair, rolling and
stalling it a couple of times for a few thousand feet before he got it
feathered and under control. People were slinging all over the cabin
but I stayed put - just a brain fart on my part but it worked out.
Still, given a choice between having to get out at a say, 1500 ft. all
of a sudden with my seatbelt still attached or unattached, I'll choose
the latter - most places seem to allow the seatbelts to come off at
around a thousand to 1500 - basically in the area where a reserve has
a comfortable amount of time to do what it's supposed to. As for
pinchecks, I don't bother with it in the airplane until I'm a few
minutes out from jumprun.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2005 12:49:14 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >#1 You're a W u s s y boy
>
> >
small
> >curved medal pin kid.
>
> Actually, it's called casus conspicio. They don't teach you that in
> SL? Pretty much explains why you ain't jumping anymore.
I mussta slept through that if Allen Flynn mebtioned it at all....FJC
was
a dual class, ya seperated and went S/L or AFF after it finished...I
chose S/L cause it was a few thousand dollars cheaper overall. I'm
surprised any JM mentioned it to a AFF titty baby at all, I mean they
had already shown an inclination not to climb out alone and hang strut
already
by being willing to pay extra to exit with a JM gripping harness on
both sides tsk tsk tsk...You reckon this has something to do with your
inability to shake that raving case of pinnis fixation ya got Jerry?
>
> >
> >> >Then first
> >> >thing you know its 3500 ft AGL and the belts come off
> >>
> >> Actually, belts come off usually a good deal lower than that >
> >>dingleberry
> >> >> ...bsrp
> >> >> ...jlk
> >
> >Well thats changed since I retired, GU/DZ's rules used to be pretty
> >similar. Helments and belts on till 3500'. Artta change it back, at
> >least it would cut out 3500 feet of your little Drama Queen act. "my
> >pin, my pin - is it falling out? waa waa waaaaaaa"
>
> Seatbelts are always a good idea
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Well at least we agree on something kid. And I think its mighty big of
you to say that, considering the mental angst you must suffer on the
benched Otters when some diver reachs behind or under your container
looking for half his seat belt, I can hear it now ~ "My pin, my pin,
you're gonna make my pin fall out waaa waaaaaaaaaaaa....Mommy/Mommy"
As always, your main manly man Snuffy ;)P
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 16 Mar 2005 12:49:14 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >#1 You're a W u s s y boy
>>
>> >No horsehoes yet (knock wood)?
>> >
>> >uh, its called (pinnis fixation)---taint no wood involved, just a
>small
>> >curved medal pin kid.
>>
>> Actually, it's called casus conspicio. They don't teach you that in
>> SL? Pretty much explains why you ain't jumping anymore.
>
>I mussta slept through that if Allen Flynn mebtioned it at all...
Allen taught your class? You know, he's been known to do a tandem or
too in his time. Saw him last month up in San Marcos and he helped us
execute a television set - even let us plug it in to his trailer as we
assembled the firing squad. With us at KittyHawk too.
>.FJC
>was
>a dual class, ya seperated and went S/L or AFF after it finished...I
>chose S/L cause it was a few thousand dollars cheaper overall. I'm
>surprised any JM mentioned it to a AFF titty baby at all, I mean they
>had already shown an inclination not to climb out alone and hang strut
>already
>by being willing to pay extra to exit with a JM gripping harness on
>both sides tsk tsk tsk...
I think with most people it comes down to money balanced against bang
for buck. I didn't know shit about skydiving (feel free to snip and
use for comfort) and figured I'd do a S/L the first time out and later
get into freefall becuase I guessed that was how things worked but
what I wanted to try was the freefall - that seemed really exciting.
I get there and a buddy who had made his FJ the week before cued me in
to the existance of options - either doing S/L, a tandem, or doing
this AFF thing and explained the differences. S/L was the cheapest
but I had the money and and the idea of freefall *and* being able to
land my own canopy was the ciritical factor in the decision.
>You reckon this has something to do with your
>inability to shake that raving case of pinnis fixation ya got Jerry?
Naw, recognizing and understanding circumstance which have bitten
others in the past has more to do with the idea that a pincheck in the
airplane is worthwhile.
>>
>> >
>> >> >Then first
>> >> >thing you know its 3500 ft AGL and the belts come off
>> >>
>> >> Actually, belts come off usually a good deal lower than that >
>> >>dingleberry
>> >> >> ...bsrp
>> >> >> ...jlk
>> >
>> >Well thats changed since I retired, GU/DZ's rules used to be pretty
>> >similar. Helments and belts on till 3500'. Artta change it back, at
>> >least it would cut out 3500 feet of your little Drama Queen act. "my
>> >pin, my pin - is it falling out? waa waa waaaaaaa"
>>
>> Seatbelts are always a good idea
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>Well at least we agree on something kid. And I think its mighty big of
>you to say that, considering the mental angst you must suffer on the
>benched Otters when some diver reachs behind or under your container
>looking for half his seat belt, I can hear it now ~ "My pin, my pin,
>you're gonna make my pin fall out waaa waaaaaaaaaaaa....Mommy/Mommy"
>As always, your main manly man
Which can and has dislodged pins in the past but it ain't ever any
sorta scene - if someone's reach down there it's simply a matter of
shifting out of the way and helping them to get the seatbelt if
possible. Then, I suppose what with your rampant fear of cg being
balanced on the head of a pin, someone leans just a little, one way or
the other, and you're in squawk full mode like a damn siren, "We're
all gonna die Aaaaaaaagh!!!"
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 17 Mar 2005 04:59:02 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 16 Mar 2005 12:49:14 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> >#1 You're a W u s s y boy
> >>
> >> >No horsehoes yet (knock wood)?
> >> >
> >> >uh, its called (pinnis fixation)---taint no wood involved, just a
> >small
> >> >curved medal pin kid.
> >>
> >> Actually, it's called casus conspicio. They don't teach you that
in
> >> SL? Pretty much explains why you ain't jumping anymore.
> >
> >I mussta slept through that if Allen Flynn mebtioned it at all...
>
> Allen taught your class?
> ...jlk
Yeah, it was his first class I think, he was working on his JM/I Quall
Card
and needed to teach a class....Allens pretty cool for a ex Airforce
guy.
Not defensive at all...he started sport jumping while in the Airforce,
way back when no branch of the service really approved of civilian
style jumping. The boys got balls, I saw him jump a 87 or 97 sq ft
canopy~cain't remember but it was small at Leauge City airport in 92 or
93....we were out by the peas and somebody said "here comes Allen" I
looked up and he was smoking thru 1500 ft with what looked like a
pillow case over his head. not straight down but a very steep angle...I
only had 30 or 40 jumps by then so it looked pretty bad. At about 500
ft I could see he was slightly into the brakes with his legs and feet
together had chin turned down peering intently at a spot in the
grass.....had a big stupid grin on his face and I'm thinking "shit I
cain't watch this" was thinking about turning away but his fall was so
fast I thought about it to long and he nailed the landing....couldn't
believe my eyes...I mean it looked like the parachute wasn't flying
even though the cells were inflated and the itty biddy thing looked
like a plastic toy chute it was stretched so tight but rather in
freefall it was coming down so damn fast. Good thing the spot was good
cause he wasn't making much headway forward........it looked allmost
straight down~~~ Scary ;)