Easter Pig Speaks The Truth about Skydive City
est...@aol.com
Hello fellow skydivers. There has been a lot of chatter about Zhills on
rec.skydiving in previous months. As a previous employee I feel I must
speak to clear my name, set the record straight and most importantly to
possibly prevent a tragedy in the future. The following is an official
complaint I have filed.....I think it says it all. This is what I have
said to the proper governing bodies. I know I will catch a lot of flak by
being a whistle blower but I feel it is important to deal with such
problems before they hurt the sport I love so dearly.
Dear Gentlemen:
I wish to file an official complaint about violations of the tandem
jumping requirements, USPA BSRs and also the Federal Aviation Regulations
that I have personally witnessed or have knowledge of while working as a
full time staff member at Skydive City, Zephyrhills, Fl.
I have resigned my position as a staff member (Not terminated as Mr. David
Hayes would have you believe) as I do not wish to be associated with this
type of misconduct which endangers students and other skydivers.
After the death of a fellow jumper, Judd Jonco, I started jumping at
Freeflight Skydiving School on my two days off while Skydive City was
closed to help Frank Arenas with his workload, as well as supplement my
own income. Upon finding this out Mr. Hayes informed me that he and his
staff "voted" on what I could do on my time off; they felt I was "helping
the competition". I informed Mr. Hayes that the last time I looked, we
were still in America and neither he or his staff could make any decisions
about what I chose to do with my free time.
Mr. Hayes was made aware of the tandem violations, BSR and FAR violations
and I intended on reporting this misconduct to the USPA ( and other
governing authorities). When made aware of this intention to file official
complaints, Mr. Hayes advised me that I was no longer welcome at Skydive
City as a part-time staff member or as a regular paying customer because
quoting Mr. Hayes "I (Emory) might see something they (Mr. Hayes and his
staff) were doing something wrong". With this type of statement, it
doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they (Skydive City)
need to clean up their acts, quit acting like "sky gods" and start abiding
by all the rules setforth for skydivers by the Tandem Manufacturers, USPA
and the FAA.
I have withnessed violations to all these by the Skydive City staff and I
think it needlessly endangers all jumpers from students up through
experienced jumpers and they certainly are not setting a good example as
USPA instructors when they let their egos far exceed their intelligence
levels. As a lifetime member of the USPA, I feel that Mr. Hayes does not
have the right to restrict me from Skydive City because they wish to
violate whatever rules they want. Could you (USPA and Zephyrhills airport
management) determine the legality of this type of restriction on me at
this federally funded airport?
Examples of the violations I have personally witnessed or have knowledge
are as follows:
Mr. Doug Park, the cheiff AFF instructor, almost killed himself and his
girlfriend, Jennie Harris, while attempting to get his Vector Tandem
Rating; they were saved by an FXC automatic opener that deployed the
reserve parachute because Mr. Park never deployed the drogue chute or
pulled any of the operating handles on the Vector Tandem rig, not even the
reserve handle/ripcord.
Mr. Park on the student radio, giving a downwind turn to Kathleen Bridge,
A25223, at less than 200ft, causing her to land off the landing field
behind campers and wood piles in the prickly pear cactus patch and
blackberries. Kathleen would have landed in the landing area with no
problem had Mr. Park used better judgment on this windy day and allowed
hre to hold into ths wind which she was doing. This was also witnessed by
Bill Klase and Chuck Gilbert. On another occasion, Mr. Park took the radio
away from Paul Meiger who was directing a student in for landing, crashed
Jovita Reyes on the active runway, used by Skydive City. Ms. Reyes was
following my tandem in on the final approach when Mr. Park gave here a
right turn command. After landing and questioning this act by Jovita, I
learned that Mr. Park did in fact give her a right turn command.
Mr. Park rented a student rig with a Manta (main parachute) to Tom Law,
who had 22 total jumps with winds in excess of 20 knots, causing Tom to
land off the landing field behind trees and ending up being air lifted to
Bayfront Medical Center with 9 breaks in his leg and 11 in his arm.
Michael Hoogstedan doing "base jumps" out of a hot air balloon at low
altitudes (approx 600ft) with a "base rig" (single parachute system)
ending up with the slider hung up and spiraling into the ground.
Fortunately Mr. Hoogstedan only suffered severe bruising and loss of work
for appox 2 wks. No doctor was seen or x-rays taken to the best of my
knowledge.
Mr. Jason Hyder (approx 300 jumps) a video/camera flyer at Skydive City,
hitting my drogue on two separate occasions, while trying to video my
tandem jumps there.
Michael Hoogsteden ignoring BSR recommendations, allowing Kelly McCardle
to participate in RW on her first night jump with Peter Howden, from the
Bahamas, at full altitude (13,500) while making three other first time
night jumpers go solo from low altitude (7,500) . Consequently, Kelly
landed on the opposite side of the airport, apparently disoriented, not
knowing where the lighted DZ was. Fortunately, after looking for her for
over an hour, she walked back to the DZ unhurt.
The following weekend, Mr. Eddie Carroll, an English national, allowed
this same individual, Kelly McCardle, with less than 60 jumps, to
participate in RW with a tandem student Mr. Carroll was skydiving with.
Michael Hoogsteden has been viewed on the local news taking a local
reporter on a tandem. On this particular jump, he left the sidestraps
loose doing "stand up Ts" with this reporter. This practice is nothing
new; there have been numerous viewings of videos at the end of the day
at Skydive City at the bar. Mr. Hoogsteden has been doing this for several
months and Mr. Hayes has bragged that Mr. Morrissey and Mr. Strong condone
this type of activity. Maybe these gentlemen could comment on this type of
activity and clear the air?
I am in the hopes that the combination of all agencies becoming involved
and doing an adequate investigation of the above will possibly keep some
innocent victim from being severely injured or killed. Thank You.
Emory H. Smith
cc: Ted Strong, Strong Enterprises
Bill Morrissey, Strong Enterprises
T.K. Donnelly, Relative Workshop
James Worme, Zephyrhills Airport
Glenn Bangs, Safety & Training Dir
Robert Rhynarson, SE Regional Dir
crw...@bellsouth.net
Emory,
The problem I have with this post is trying to determine your intent. I
don't know you so I don't have a historical basis for interpreting your
statements.
My inclination after reading it is to see you as someone who is angry at
perceived injustices and trying to get even. If you are serious in your
quest to seek safer conditions, I suggest you separate these concerns
from your work/personal gripes and stop wrapping yourself in the
American flag and crying freedom.
While each of the concerns you mention may be valid, you confuse the
issues and bring into doubt your sincerity by bringing in such a wide
variety of complaints.
Blue Skies,
Michael
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mvn...@aol.com
You are gaining fans very quickly TK ! LOL
Mark N
Skydive Z-Hills
As most of you probably know, and for those who do not,
Emory H. Smith is a former employee of Skydive City, who
was fired for taking advantage of full-time staff benefits
at Skydive City while working for another dropzone.
TK Hayes
General Manager
Bill Von Novak
>Mr. Park rented a student rig with a Manta (main parachute) to Tom Law,
>who had 22 total jumps with winds in excess of 20 knots, causing Tom to
>land off the landing field behind trees and ending up being air lifted
>to Bayfront Medical Center with 9 breaks in his leg and 11 in his arm.
there is nothing illegal or against the BSR's here. a jumper
with an A license has no wind limits, and it it up to the individual
jumper to decide if the winds are too strong. sounds like the jumper
screwed up. bad judgement by SC, perhaps, but not a BSR problem.
>Mr. Jason Hyder (approx 300 jumps) a video/camera flyer at Skydive City,
>hitting my drogue on two separate occasions, while trying to video my
>tandem jumps there.
why did you allow a video flyer with a known control problem
to jump with you? that sounds like bad judgement on your part.
>Michael Hoogsteden ignoring BSR recommendations, allowing Kelly McCardle
>to participate in RW on her first night jump with Peter Howden, from the
>Bahamas, at full altitude (13,500) while making three other first time
>night jumpers go solo from low altitude (7,500) . Consequently, Kelly
>landed on the opposite side of the airport, apparently disoriented, not
>knowing where the lighted DZ was. Fortunately, after looking for her for
>over an hour, she walked back to the DZ unhurt.
is peter howden AFF rated? often it makes sense to make
someone's first night jump (especially with a low time jumper) a two-way
with an AFF person. against the BSR's, strictly speaking, but can be a
good idea.
-bill von
Huey Duck
In article <19961201031...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
est...@aol.com wrote:
I would like to start off by saying a few things. This is not an attack on Mr. Smith. This is
in support of my drop zone. I do not work there.
I would also like to remind Mr. Smith that before he points out how others have busted BSR's and
FAR's. He might want to look around to make sure no one can say the same about him. I know he
has. We all have at one time or another. I have seen him do tandems through 3,000 ft of
"industrial haze" in winds I would not jump in. But like I said, this is not to slam him. Just
to remind him of pointing fingers.(And FAR 91.155) 8^)
I have been a fan of Skydive City ever since I visited it. About 6 months ago I moved to Tampa.
One of the main reasons to move to Tampa was Skydive City. I have been at the DZ almost every
day since I moved here. It is in my opinion one of the safest, if not the safest DZ I have been
to. (For the record I have been to about 40 DZ's from FL. to CA. both big and small). I have not
seen any of the staff (J/M or Pilots) break a BSR or FAR. I believe the DZ to be one of the
safest and best run of any DZ I have been to.
Ron Hill
Tampa FL.
Darin Ninness
On 2 Dec 1996 02:02:46 GMT, bil...@qualcomm.com (Bill Von Novak)
wrote:
<snip>
>>Michael Hoogsteden ignoring BSR recommendations, allowing Kelly McCardle
>>to participate in RW on her first night jump with Peter Howden, from the
>>Bahamas, at full altitude (13,500) while making three other first time
>>night jumpers go solo from low altitude (7,500) . Consequently, Kelly
>>landed on the opposite side of the airport, apparently disoriented, not
>>knowing where the lighted DZ was. Fortunately, after looking for her for
>>over an hour, she walked back to the DZ unhurt.
>
> is peter howden AFF rated? often it makes sense to make
>someone's first night jump (especially with a low time jumper) a two-way
>with an AFF person. against the BSR's, strictly speaking, but can be a
>good idea.
OK, now, not to nit-pick or anything, but the BSRs say NOTHING about
night jumps other than: "..are to be performed only with the advice of
the local USPA S&TA or Instructor/Examiner."
Later on, there are "recommendation" in the SIM, but these are NOT the
BSRs. The BSRs are the 2 pages of section 2-1. As the introduction
says "The Skydiver's Information Manual (SIM) provides basic rules,
standards and recommendations for the conduct of safe and enjoyable
skydiving." Later on in the same intro: "The recommendations
contained herein, unless otherwise stated, are put forth as guidance
and are not mandatory. A deviation from these recommendations does
not necessarily imply negligence and is not to be used in a court of
law to demonstrate negligence."
so really, it's not against the BSRs at all. Go have a ball. Do night
RW and then follow it up with night CRW, subsequently landing a
two-stack, all on your first night jump..:)
Now, you really wanna impress me?? Do it BLINDFOLDED!
Darin
C-26007
(five more jumps, God, that's all I'm asking for the weather for..
Give this shit to someone in Alaska, or, better yet, Cleveland!)
SkyHigh?
est...@aol.com wrote:
>Hello fellow skydivers. There has been a lot of chatter about Zhills on
>rec.skydiving in previous months. As a previous employee I feel I must
>speak to clear my name, set the record straight and most importantly to
>possibly prevent a tragedy in the future. The following is an official
>complaint I have filed.....I think it says it all. This is what I have
>said to the proper governing bodies. I know I will catch a lot of flak by
>being a whistle blower but I feel it is important to deal with such
>problems before they hurt the sport I love so dearly.
<snip>
>After the death of a fellow jumper, Judd Jonco, I started jumping at
<snip>
Is this the same S.African Judd that worked at Phoenix, ZHills?
He got my inplace turns totally sorted when I was an ankle...(well, I
always will be an ankle)
Barry Chase-D9545/AFF I'96/Tandem Instructor
On 2 Dec 1996 02:02:46 GMT, Bill Von Novak wrote in rec.skydiving:
>>Mr. Park rented a student rig with a Manta (main parachute) to Tom Law,
>>who had 22 total jumps with winds in excess of 20 knots, causing Tom to
>>land off the landing field behind trees and ending up being air lifted
>>to Bayfront Medical Center with 9 breaks in his leg and 11 in his arm.
> there is nothing illegal or against the BSR's here. a jumper
>with an A license has no wind limits, and it it up to the individual
>jumper to decide if the winds are too strong. sounds like the jumper
>screwed up. bad judgement by SC, perhaps, but not a BSR problem.
Actually, Emory didn't say if the injured jumper had an A License or
not. If she did, the Bill is correct that she is bound to her own
decisions about jumping in winds. If not, then the jumper is still,
by BSR's, a student and under DZ tutelage.
Emory's point overall, though, is Skydive City's lack of judgment in
allowing someone with that low level of experience to jump in winds
that high, and compounding the issue by putting her out on an
oversized student canopy as well.
I have been on plenty of DZ's where low timers have been put on a
hold in high winds, even with their own appropriately sized gear.
>>Mr. Jason Hyder (approx 300 jumps) a video/camera flyer at Skydive City,
>>hitting my drogue on two separate occasions, while trying to video my
>>tandem jumps there.
> why did you allow a video flyer with a known control problem
>to jump with you? that sounds like bad judgement on your part.
One time is a mistake, and we all make those. After the second time,
that's when I would begin to have concerns. I got the idea that Emory
was saying no one was concerned about the issue regardless of the
frequency of error.
> is peter howden AFF rated? often it makes sense to make
>someone's first night jump (especially with a low time jumper) a two-way
>with an AFF person. against the BSR's, strictly speaking, but can be a
>good idea.
Nope. I *know* that Peter isn't AFF. I know Peter personally.
Even if these issues weren't primary, Emory's entire post, which may
indeed be nothing more than a grudge against Skydive City (as Mike
suggested in a separate post) is certainly valid.
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Moshe Preil
Barry Chase-D9545/AFF I'96/Tandem Instructor wrote:
>
> On 2 Dec 1996 02:02:46 GMT, Bill Von Novak wrote in rec.skydiving:
>
> >>who had 22 total jumps with winds in excess of 20 knots, causing Tom to
> >>land off the landing field behind trees and ending up being air lifted
> >>to Bayfront Medical Center with 9 breaks in his leg and 11 in his arm.
> >with an A license has no wind limits, and it it up to the individual
> >jumper to decide if the winds are too strong.
> not.
Personally, I think the Easter Pig is a serious head case, and I don't
care what allegations he makes, it doesn't matter. But this particular
point bothers me- doesn't anyone on rec.skydiving know that you need 25
jumps for an A-license?? I think 22 is less than 25.
Moshe
D-17822
Daniel Briggs
Seems like a pretty shitty reason to fire someone to me. He was either
doing his job for Skydive City or he wasn't. If he was fulfilling the
terms of his job with you guys, it's none of your damned business if he
choose to moonlight for another drop zone or not.
So, TK, was he or wasn't he doing an acceptable job at Skydive City while
moonlighting elsewhere? And was he fired for his actions (or lack of same)
while *at* Skydive City, or was he fired because you didn't like how he
spent his off duty time?
I've tried pretty hard to keep an open mind about Skydive City, but if
the facts are as it appears here, I think I've pretty much heard enough
to make up my mind. I am not impressed.
--Dan .===.
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Charles Thomas
In article <32A47E...@kla.com> Moshe Preil, m_p...@kla.com writes:
>But this particular
>point bothers me- doesn't anyone on rec.skydiving know that you need 25
>jumps for an A-license?? I think 22 is less than 25.
Be bothered no more.
LICENSE REQUIREMENTS
3-1.06 USPA A LICENSE--BASIC
Persons holding a USPA A license are able to jumpmaster themselves, pack
their own main parachute, perform basic relative work and water
jumps and must have:
A. Completed 20 freefall jumps including:
1. At least three controlled freefalls of 40 seconds or longer.
2. Accumulating five minutes of controlled freefall time.
--
Charles Thomas
Member: Sky Knights SPC
USPA Licence: D-18226
SKYDIVING: GRAVITY-POWERED ADVENTURE!
Haywood Jablome
On Tue, 03 Dec 1996 11:26:34 -0800, Moshe Preil <m_p...@kla.com>
wrote:
>Personally, I think the Easter Pig is a serious head case, and I don't
>care what allegations he makes, it doesn't matter. But this particular
>point bothers me- doesn't anyone on rec.skydiving know that you need 25
>jumps for an A-license?? I think 22 is less than 25.
>
>Moshe
>D-17822
Moshe,
Most of us don't count the five statics as jumps since we are
attatched to the airplane on static line method, and if you read the
SIM, the requirement is 20 free falls, not 25, plenty of people
progress and get their license at 20 jumps, AFF. This is what bothers
me.
Daniel Braude
In <32A47E...@kla.com>, Moshe Preil <m_p...@kla.com> writes:
>Barry Chase-D9545/AFF I'96/Tandem Instructor wrote:
>>
>> On 2 Dec 1996 02:02:46 GMT, Bill Von Novak wrote in rec.skydiving:
>>
>> >>who had 22 total jumps with winds in excess of 20 knots, causing Tom to
>> >>land off the landing field behind trees and ending up being air lifted
>> >>to Bayfront Medical Center with 9 breaks in his leg and 11 in his arm.
>> >with an A license has no wind limits, and it it up to the individual
>> >jumper to decide if the winds are too strong.
>> Actually, Emory didn't say if the injured jumper had an A License or
>> not.
>
>care what allegations he makes, it doesn't matter. But this particular
>point bothers me- doesn't anyone on rec.skydiving know that you need 25
>jumps for an A-license?? I think 22 is less than 25.
>
>Moshe
>D-17822
Actually, only 20 jumps are required for a USPA A-License. Anyone
know what the current plans are for putting the SIM online yet? Is it
already online?
Daniel Braude
wc...@mercury.net
I heard more of the story at this past weekends boogie. I agree with you
dude. Smitty got screwed and he didn't even get kissed first.
prin...@aol.com
avi1...@pn.nettuno.it (Haywood Jablome) writes:
>Moshe,
>Most of us don't count the five statics as jumps since we are
>attatched to the airplane on static line method, and if you read the
>SIM, the requirement is 20 free falls, not 25, plenty of people
>progress and get their license at 20 jumps, AFF. This is what bothers
>me.
their "A-license" after only 20 jumps via AFF, is this right? If so, why?
(ie: do you think 20 jumps is insufficient for ANY type of license?).
Not trying to start something... just looking for opinions. THANKS.
HighSpeedMal
On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Moshe Preil wrote:
> Personally, I think the Easter Pig is a serious head case, and I don't
> care what allegations he makes, it doesn't matter. But this particular
> point bothers me- doesn't anyone on rec.skydiving know that you need 25
> jumps for an A-license?? I think 22 is less than 25.
Actually, if you read Sec 3-1.06 of your SIM, only 20 jumps are required
for an A-license. So if this guy had an A-license, and they did rent him
a rig, they really aren't responsible for his decision to jump in high
winds. On the other hand, if he didn't have an A-license, he's still
considered a "student" and the DZ should have considered that. Just my
$.02....
Cheers,
Geoff
C-26435
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Skydiver
An A license requires a minimum of 20 jumps. It could take any number
of jumps for an individual to meet the other competencies of the A
license. Therefore, telling us the individual had 22 jumps does not
necessarily indicate whether he had an A license.
Rob
D-18343
On Tue, 03 Dec 1996 11:26:34 -0800, Moshe Preil <m_p...@kla.com>
wrote:
>Barry Chase-D9545/AFF I'96/Tandem Instructor wrote:
>>
>> On 2 Dec 1996 02:02:46 GMT, Bill Von Novak wrote in rec.skydiving:
>>
>> >>Mr. Park rented a student rig with a Manta (main parachute) to Tom Law,
>> >>who had 22 total jumps with winds in excess of 20 knots, causing Tom to
>> >>land off the landing field behind trees and ending up being air lifted
>> >>to Bayfront Medical Center with 9 breaks in his leg and 11 in his arm.
>> > there is nothing illegal or against the BSR's here. a jumper
>> >with an A license has no wind limits, and it it up to the individual
>> >jumper to decide if the winds are too strong.
>> Actually, Emory didn't say if the injured jumper had an A License or
>> not.
>
>Personally, I think the Easter Pig is a serious head case, and I don't
>care what allegations he makes, it doesn't matter. But this particular
>point bothers me- doesn't anyone on rec.skydiving know that you need 25
>jumps for an A-license?? I think 22 is less than 25.
>
>Moshe
>D-17822
Charles Thomas
In article <5825mk$1b...@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Daniel Braude,
dm...@lehigh.edu writes:
>Actually, only 20 jumps are required for a USPA A-License. Anyone
>know what the current plans are for putting the SIM online yet? Is it
>already online?
An Alta-Vista search of "Skydiver's Information Manual" will answer your
question.
Troy Jollimore
> Actually, Emory didn't say if the injured jumper had an A License or
>decisions about jumping in winds. If not, then the jumper is still,
>by BSR's, a student and under DZ tutelage.
> Emory's point overall, though, is Skydive City's lack of judgment in
>allowing someone with that low level of experience to jump in winds
>that high, and compounding the issue by putting her out on an
>oversized student canopy as well.
> I have been on plenty of DZ's where low timers have been put on a
>hold in high winds, even with their own appropriately sized gear.
Where do you draw 'the line' on that, though? I pushed through my 4th
jump in moderate winds because we don't get to jump as often around here
(usually weekends only). That would lead to everything being regulated, much
like driving. If the spot is good, and you can reasonably handle a canopy,
it is not a problem. It should be your call to make, and your responsibility
if things go wrong. I landed the Goliath within 20' of the peas (hey, I AM
still learning...) in 10-14knot, lightly gusting winds. A friend of mine,
same size, over-shot and landed in the field next door. Same spot and all.
To make reference to the lawyer thing, it'd just be nice if we could
all take responsibility for our own actions...
Barry L. Brumitt
dm...@lehigh.edu (Daniel Braude) writes:
> Actually, only 20 jumps are required for a USPA A-License. Anyone
> know what the current plans are for putting the SIM online yet? Is it
> already online?
Some sections are already online at: http://www.uspa.org/
under "Safety & Training"
Barry
falco...@aol.com
I take no issue with your statements. The only thing I might add is that
those who are in a better position to know (experienced jumpers and rating
holders in particular) need to be more vocal when low-timers want to jump
in conditions that may be acceptable, yet marginal. As it is said, no jump
is so important that you can't wait until the conditions are right.
Mike Anderson
D-9493 AFF/Tandem JM
Falco...@aol.com
Huey Duck
In article <5823mu$ms5$1...@ra.nrl.navy.mil>,
dbr...@rira5.nrl.navy.mil (Daniel Briggs) wrote:
>In article <32A1F6...@ibm.net>, Skydive Z-Hills <sky...@ibm.net> wrote:
>>As most of you probably know, and for those who do not,
>>Emory H. Smith is a former employee of Skydive City, who
>>was fired for taking advantage of full-time staff benefits
>>at Skydive City while working for another dropzone.
>
>Seems like a pretty shitty reason to fire someone to me. He was either
>doing his job for Skydive City or he wasn't. If he was fulfilling the
>terms of his job with you guys, it's none of your damned business if he
>choose to moonlight for another drop zone or not.
>
>So, TK, was he or wasn't he doing an acceptable job at Skydive City while
>moonlighting elsewhere? And was he fired for his actions (or lack of same)
>while *at* Skydive City, or was he fired because you didn't like how he
>spent his off duty time?
>
>I've tried pretty hard to keep an open mind about Skydive City, but if
>the facts are as it appears here, I think I've pretty much heard enough
>to make up my mind. I am not impressed.
>
> --Dan
Well, I see it like this. I work for an overnight freight carrier. If I start
working for another overnight freight carrier. My company will fire me. I have
seen it happen. When you run a company in a very competitive field, you have to
have loyalty from your employees. In a situation like this, Mr. Smith should
have told SC what he was doing. And I feel it would be in SC rights to say no.
Ron
Gregory Peck
Daniel Braude <dm...@lehigh.edu> wrote in article
<5825mk$1b...@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu>...
> In <32A47E...@kla.com>, Moshe Preil <m_p...@kla.com> writes:
> >Barry Chase-D9545/AFF I'96/Tandem Instructor wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2 Dec 1996 02:02:46 GMT, Bill Von Novak wrote in rec.skydiving:
> >>
> >> >>Mr. Park rented a student rig with a Manta (main parachute) to Tom
Law,
> >> >>who had 22 total jumps with winds in excess of 20 knots, causing Tom
to
> >> >>land off the landing field behind trees and ending up being air
lifted
> >> >>to Bayfront Medical Center with 9 breaks in his leg and 11 in his
arm.
> >> > there is nothing illegal or against the BSR's here. a jumper
> >> >with an A license has no wind limits, and it it up to the individual
> >> >jumper to decide if the winds are too strong.
> >> Actually, Emory didn't say if the injured jumper had an A
License or
> >> not.
> >
> >Personally, I think the Easter Pig is a serious head case, and I don't
> >care what allegations he makes, it doesn't matter. But this particular
> >point bothers me- doesn't anyone on rec.skydiving know that you need 25
> >jumps for an A-license?? I think 22 is less than 25.
> >
> >Moshe
> >D-17822
Somebody yank this guys D license........if you don't know that it takes 20
jumps (not 25) you shouldn't be proud to show any license number. READ YOU
SIM.
Greg Peck
A-taken the test
B-going to take the test (BTW this is a 50 jump min.)
C-going to take the Test (This is a 100 jump min.)
D-Not enough jumps......(I belieive 101 is less than 200.....uh isn't
it???????????)
a13...@aol.com
>Somebody yank this guys D license........if you don't know that it takes
20
>jumps (not 25) you shouldn't be proud to show any license number. READ
YOU
>SIM.
>Greg Peck
>A-taken the test
>B-going to take the test (BTW this is a 50 jump min.)
>C-going to take the Test (This is a 100 jump min.)
>D-Not enough jumps......(I belieive 101 is less than 200.....uh isn't
>it???????????)
Jeez! and people think *I'm* Nasty?
evj
rhon...@aol.com
>Jeez! and people think *I'm* Nasty?
Nasty is not a judgment reached in a vacuum. It often depends on who one
selects as the recipient of one's venom as well as the strength and
variety of the poison itself.
Then, too, people generally get what they deserve, for good or ill
(although for some it takes longer than for others), and sometimes the
force of the attack has its roots not in the incident at hand but
somewhere in the misty and possibly distant past.
rl
______________________________________________
What you do unto others will be done unto you.
Tina Marie
In article <01bbe65b$424d5f80$c796d4cd@home>,
Gregory Peck <day...@bright.net> wrote:
>
>Somebody yank this guys D license........if you don't know that it takes 20
>jumps (not 25) you shouldn't be proud to show any license number. READ YOU
>SIM.
You know, for those of us who grew up on a static line, it _did_ take
25 jumps - minimum 5 on the SL, and the 20 freefalls.
Tina Marie
A-21129
--
The higher we soar, the smaller we seem to those who cannot fly.
Bradley C. Spatz
A searchable keyword index for the SIM may be found at:
http://www.afn.org/skydive/sta/sim/
Note that this index only covers sections 1-3 of the SIM as that's all
the USPA has "released."
Blue skies!
--
Bradley C. Spatz http://www.afn.org/~bcs/ b...@afn.org
tony...@aol.com
hello smitty, it seems like you allowed a lot of these incidents to
occur,and are now whining after the fact.of course you wear a halo and
have never violated any of skydivings rules and regs, right? why are you
determined to be such a hypocrite.I have seen you violate the bylaws
,clean up your own act . chuck k.
Micke J
a13...@aol.com wrote, in message
<19961210111...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>
> Jeez! and people think *I'm* Nasty?
>
You are, dear! ;)
_________________________________
Micke J
D-7430 (Swedish Parachuting Association)
NCB#36, BJDS#4, SLUTS
A13868
>> Jeez! and people think *I'm* Nasty?
>> evj
>You are, dear! ;)
>Micke J
Dear? I guess I'll have to try harder! :)
Harley
Charles Thomas <cfth...@facstaff.wisc.edu> says:
>An Alta-Vista search of "Skydiver's Information Manual" will answer your
>question.
I keep getting "file not found" on any of the links. Anyone else getting this?
-Harley (harl...@earthlink.net)
"Good judgement comes from experience.
Experience? Well...that comes from poor judgement!"
Moshe Preil
Harley wrote:
>
> I keep getting "file not found" on any of the links. Anyone else getting this?
Alta-Vista returns the following:
USPA Safety & Training Department
Safety & Training. General Information. The primary functions of
the Safety and Training Department are to
execute the policies of the Safety and Training.
http://www.uspa.org/S_T/s_t-gen.html - size 3K - 5 Apr 96
http://guess.worldweb.net/USPA/S_T/s_t-gen.html - size 3K - 3 Apr
96
Keith Abner
I just checked the link....this one works
http://guess.worldweb.net/USPA/S_T/intro.html
--
Keith Abner dka...@nc5.infi.net
D17590 JM-96 Nashville, TN
Home DZ: Fort Campbell Sport Parachute Activity
http://www.infi.net/~dka.api
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those who don't, can't understand"
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Harley
Moshe Preil <m_p...@kla.com> says:
>Harley wrote:
>Alta-Vista returns the following:
Right....me too...but try one of the links and see what you get.
Moshe Preil
Harley wrote:
>
> >USPA Safety & Training Department
> > Safety & Training. General Information. The primary functions of
> >the Safety and Training Department are to
> > execute the policies of the Safety and Training.
> > http://www.uspa.org/S_T/s_t-gen.html - size 3K - 5 Apr 96
> > http://guess.worldweb.net/USPA/S_T/s_t-gen.html - size 3K - 3
So try the second one! It's the most basic skydiving procedure; if the
first one doesn't work, you go for the second one in a hurry. When you
have a malfunction - and it will happen- are you going to send a post to
the newsgroup asking what to do?? I posted two links- how much trouble
would it have been to click the second one before you decided you needed
to ask the whole ng for more help?
Moshe
W. Grant Spurrell
Harley wrote in article <594mr4$g...@belize.it.earthlink.net>...
>>Charles Thomas <cfth...@facstaff.wisc.edu> says:
>
> >An Alta-Vista search of "Skydiver's Information Manual" will answer your
> >question.
>
> I keep getting "file not found" on any of the links. Anyone else getting
this?
>
>
> -Harley (harl...@earthlink.net)
>
> "Good judgement comes from experience.
> Experience? Well...that comes from poor judgement!"
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note however Harley, that even when you do find it, "the SIM online" is NOT
the complete SIM. I don't think the USPA is looking to give this away for
free (I tried).
:^(
Blue Skies!
Harley
Moshe Preil <m_p...@kla.com> says:
>Harley wrote:
>> Right....me too...but try one of the links and see what you get.
>So try the second one! It's the most basic skydiving procedure; if the
>first one doesn't work, you go for the second one in a hurry. When you
>have a malfunction - and it will happen- are you going to send a post to
>the newsgroup asking what to do?? I posted two links- how much trouble
>would it have been to click the second one before you decided you needed
>to ask the whole ng for more help?
>Moshe
They seem to be working now. And thanks for the nasty comments. Putz...
Harley
Moshe Preil <m_p...@kla.com> says:
>So try the second one! It's the most basic skydiving procedure; if the
>first one doesn't work, you go for the second one in a hurry. When you
>have a malfunction - and it will happen- are you going to send a post to
>the newsgroup asking what to do?? I posted two links- how much trouble
>would it have been to click the second one before you decided you needed
>to ask the whole ng for more help?
>Moshe
By the way Mush.... If you'd read my original post, it said "I keep getting
"file not found" on any of the links. " "ANY OF THE LINKS" would imply that I
tried more than one, yes?
cii...@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
hey everyone, skydiving kicks ass even though i haven't tried it yet, i'm
sure it does. does it? please let me know. Only becasue i think you all
rock, even though i have no idea who any of you are, just thought you all
might need a little pick me up. Have fun jumpin'. but be careful, make
sure all your gear is snug as a bug in a rug dudes. As the immortal Bill
and Ted would say: Party on Dudes!!!!!! Rock and role lives on forever! no
but for real, please let me know how skydiving is, i would really like to
try it.
Thomas Kerler
cii...@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu wrote:
>
> hey everyone, skydiving kicks ass even though i haven't tried it yet, i'm
> sure it does. does it? please let me know.
Absolutely, dude, nothing like it !
> sure all your gear is snug as a bug in a rug dudes.
I'll tell my rigger to make sure ! Thanks for the packing tip, dude !
> and Ted would say: Party on Dudes!!!!!! Rock and role lives on forever! no
> but for real, please let me know how skydiving is, i would really like to
One thing I learned over the last three winter months. *Not* skydiving
totally sucks !! Started to feel like a rat in a cage. (Fortunately, the
weather has turned and I got out again). To me the real question is, how
can anybody not skydive, and not go crazy, ... pretty much like a heroin
addict, who cannot understand, why anyone can stay calm without getting
their fixes.
BTW, where did you get the subject header from, this thread is almost
half
a year old. Glad to see this wasn't a continuation, since it was really
tedious.
URL's coming your way.
--
BSBD, Thomas Kerler, A-25590
mailto:ker...@math.ohio-state.edu