Psycho Packing.....
larry daniels
Fred Greeson in Signal Mtn. Tenn,
Says he has some slight mdifications that will help the headihg.
"It 's not how far you fall,
it's how high you bounce."-- (Concerning setbacks in life )
Kevin
Say,
I'm looking for input from people who have packed AND jumped a psycho
packed rig. I tried packing it a few time last nite and man it was a hell
of alot easier to get it in the d-bag. Now all I have to do is jump it! So
any comments from out there? Likes or dislikes? Problems or not please
reply. Thanks......
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J. Whipple
On 15 Aug 1997, SkipprDv8 wrote:
<snip>
> I've got about three hundred jumps on the "psycho" pack... one reserve
> ride (caused on purpose to fly reserve canopy).
??????
<snip>
GW Galloway
Larry Nuckols wrote:
> [...] I figure if it was a good
> thing then the parachute manufacturers would tell us so.
Ummmm, psssst, hey Larry, they do. Check it out at
http://precision.aerodynamics.com
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Larry Nuckols
Hey Kevin whats up? I think your the Kevin I'm thinking of. Do you jump
in Indiana? Anyway about the psycho pack I tried it for several jumps
when I had a different parachute and like it until I jumped once and
came back with line burns. I very well could have caused those. I tried
it my Stiletto 135 that I jump now and I think it opens a bit harder
than a normal pro pack. I dont like it because I figure if it was a good
thing then the parachute manufacturers would tell us so.
blueskyz
Larry
Drew Eckhardt
In article <01bca925$537398a0$e16c93cf@station-2>,
Elizabeth Neally <EGNe...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>It is o'kay to jump a psycho packed rig, ha, ha, ha.
If you look at it from a mechanical perspective, you'll find that it'
s identical to a standard pro-pack with a roll instead of the S-fold,
nothing done to the nose (which can cause end-cell closures and off-heading
openings), and the whole thing folded to bag width rather than "squished"
into shape (which could move the lines arround inside the bundle).
If anything, those minor differences should result in _increased_
reliability compared to a standard pro-pack.
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Elizabeth Neally
It is o'kay to jump a psycho packed rig, ha, ha, ha.
If you have a kill line pilot chute just recheck it, so it
will pull the main out of the bag.
Good luck ...
Tell us about it after you jump.
Skywitch
Kevin <alac...@nothinbut.net> wrote in article
<01bca91f$c5eaa1e0$10c174cf@mikey>...
SkipprDv8
Kevin,
Yes it is a lot easier to psycho pack... I think it packs smaller too.
I've got about three hundred jumps on the "psycho" pack... one reserve
ride (caused on purpose to fly reserve canopy).
You will definitely get some funny looks as A) people watch you flip your
canopy over inducing one half twist in the lines and B) as you roll the
canopy like a sleeping bag.
Watch one of them and loudly announce " You're going to jump that ???"
Nice soft on heading openings is what I like. Easier is just a bonus.
Blue Skies,
Dave SDS720
Keith Abner
I've been psycho packing my Monarch 175 now for about 2 years. I
started packing this way because i couldn't ever seem to get the propack
right. As long as I can psycho pack, i'll never pro-pack!
With the Psycho pack, you can lay the canopy down and play with the nose
all you want before rolling it up (I have to roll the nose HARD on my
Monarch or it will rock my world).
It's also MUCH easier to control getting it into the bag.
Nice, consistent, on-heading openings.
I will say my malfunction at Quincy was a psycho-packed Batwing
153...however, i think it was more a fuction of the canopy than the
pack job.
Remember to get the line twist out when you put it in the
back..otherwise it will open with an induced line twist...NOT GOOD on an
elliptical!
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Drew Eckhardt
In article <01bca91f$c5eaa1e0$10c174cf@mikey>,
Kevin <alac...@nothinbut.net> wrote:
>Say,
>I'm looking for input from people who have packed AND jumped a psycho
>packed rig.
I've jumped about 120 of my psycho pack jobs.
>I tried packing it a few time last nite and man it was a hell
>of alot easier to get it in the d-bag. Now all I have to do is jump it! So
>any comments from out there? Likes or dislikes?
Given the soft, consistant on-heading openings I've had with the psycho
pack and ease of getting it in the bag (especially with a small ZP canopy
in a big bag), I wouldn't return to pro-packing.
>Problems or not please reply.
Be sure to pull enough material out of the roll so the bridle ring
can reach the D-bag gromet, don't roll the nose, and you'll be fine.
Cannonball
Drew Eckhardt <dr...@qualcomm.com> wrote in article
<5t2bue$o...@qualcomm.com>...
> >I'm looking for input from people who have packed AND jumped a psycho
> >packed rig.
> pack and ease of getting it in the bag (especially with a small ZP canopy
> in a big bag), I wouldn't return to pro-packing.
I really like the psycho pack because of how clean it is, however, I seem
to get an offheading opening on every psychopack (could be due to trim,
though). In reality, I can propack in half the time it takes to
psychopack. If I could find a quick way to psychopack, I probably would go
back to it.
Blue skies... Cannonball
Mark McGrath
Drew Eckhardt wrote:
>
> In article <01bca91f$c5eaa1e0$10c174cf@mikey>,
> Kevin <alac...@nothinbut.net> wrote:
> >Say,
> >packed rig.
The biggest problem I've had with the psyco pack is the reaction from
otherwise progressive jumpers when they watch me pack. Jumping at a small
DZ, I'm the only psycho. I haven't had the suggested 6 inch extention
added to my bridle yet, so if you havent either, make sure you pull
enough fabric out to reach the gromet. No comparison for ease of getting
it into the bag. 48.662% quicker!
Hoping your skys are bluer than ours
Mark
Winsor Naugler III
Mark McGrath <t...@mato.com> wrote in article <33F737...@mato.com>...
Quicker than what?
Sure, if you try to do a "get the bag around the brick" standard F-111 PRO
pack,
you'll be sweating up a storm by the time you get your z-p canopy under
control.
Great exercise, and it builds character, but it's a lousy way to get the
parachute
back into the container.
There is, however more than one way to skin a cat (yucko concept, eh?).
Combine a Dave Dobbins flake with a Mark Threlkeld S-fold insertion, add
Charlie
Mullins' steering line control roll, and you have an entirely symmetric
pack job
that goes into the bag as smoothly as it comes out. There is negligible
rotation
of the canopy during opening, minimal friction between canopy, bag and/or
lines,
and the bridle attachment is dead square in the middle on top.
That and I can have my rig packed and at manifest before most
psycho-packers
have their first line stow secure.
The psycho pack is okay if you don't know how to pack. I mean, it works
and all,
but it ain't the bees knees.
Blue skies,
Winsor
Thomas Kerler
Winsor Naugler III wrote:
>
>
> Combine a Dave Dobbins flake with a Mark Threlkeld S-fold insertion, add
> Charlie
> Mullins' steering line control roll, and you have an entirely symmetric
> pack job
Windsor, could you expand on those methods ? Thanks!
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Winsor Naugler III
Thomas Kerler <ker...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote in article
<33F9CB...@math.ohio-state.edu>...
> Winsor Naugler III wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > Combine a Dave Dobbins flake with a Mark Threlkeld S-fold insertion,
add
> > Charlie
> > Mullins' steering line control roll, and you have an entirely symmetric
> > pack job
>
> Winsor, could you expand on those methods ? Thanks!
>
This is a copy of a description a sent to the same request via E-mail. My
attempt at ASCII graphics leaves a lot to be desired, and may require some
tinkering
Dave Dobbins showed me how to arrange the suspension lines and canopy
material when PRO packing almost a decade ago:
With the nose arranged per the canopy's liking (rolled, stuffed, gathered
or whatever), the 6 non-stabilizer D-lines are gathered and hooked under
an open thumb of an outstretched hand. Following the seams back will
give you the 6 non-stabilizer C-lines. Grouping the C's with the D's and
repeating gives you the B-lines. You now flake lines to the center and
material to the outside between the A & B, the B & C, and the C & D lines.
This will leave the material "lobster tailed" in the center of the canopy.
The stabilizers & steering lines, with associated material are then
arranged together atop the flaked center, and flaked individually - lines
to the center, and material to the outside. The material between the
steering lines is rolled like the nose to keep the lines under control
while
cocooning the canopy, thus minimizing the likelihood of a lineover.
<note: for 9 cell canopies, there will be 8-each non-stabilizer D, C, B & A
lines, though the Stiletto has only 6 D lines>
>and the Mark Threlkeld S-fold
> insertion ??
>
Mark Threlkeld showed me how to get big, brand new Sabre 230's into the
bag without losing sanity:
Once laid out and cocooned to the width of the D-bag, with the air pressed
out by laying on the canopy lengthwise, the top 1/2 of the canopy (from the
bridle attachment) is s-folded UNDER.
s-fold
skirt of canopy lines
||====================================---------------------
=============||
_______=============
bridle
The bag is then put over the top, while you're still lying on the canopy,
keeping it under control at all times.
_________________O
| ||====================================-----------------
| =============|| ^
______| ==============
bridle |______________________________
^ flap
Grasp the skirt and lines in one hand, and pull the D-bag by the flap, so
the skirt is at the base of the flap. The skirt & flap base are marked by
the
carats, ^, in the diagram above.
Roll the material toward the base of the flap, pulling the grommet on the
flap toward the elastic. Once you have the first elastic secure, the rest
proceeds as usual.
This is the condensed version; Ricco Poulan was selling dubs of me
demonstrating the process for $5, but I'll happily demonstrate the
technique
to anyone with the patience to go through it.
Once you get the hang of this approach, Psycho packing looks like a
massive hassle.
Blue skies,
Winsor
Ann T Poblenz
Thomas Kerler wrote:
>
> Winsor Naugler III wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > Combine a Dave Dobbins flake with a Mark Threlkeld S-fold insertion, add
> > Charlie
> > Mullins' steering line control roll, and you have an entirely symmetric
> > pack job
>
I really want to know too....thanx
Ann
Charles Thomas
Cannonball wrote:
>In reality, I can propack in half the time it takes to
> psychopack. If I could find a quick way to psychopack, I probably would go
> back to it.
For my two cents as a Psycho-packer for about 200 jumps now, I find that
it's a method that was designed for, and works best for smaller
canopies. My Sabre 150 is pushing it, big time. A Sabre 135 or 120
Psycho-packs beautifully, and my cameraman friends say my pack jobs give
soft, comfortable openings.
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QWeaver
I've tried the Psycho pack a few times on my Triathlon a few times. All
it did was slow down what was already a rather slow opening. My Tri 190
already goes into the bag quite easily and smaller size as you put it in
the bag is the only advantage that I can see in using this packing
technique. Form follows function.
Quinton
Paul Koning
Charles Thomas wrote:
>
> Cannonball wrote:
> >In reality, I can propack in half the time it takes to
> > psychopack. If I could find a quick way to psychopack, I probably would go
> > back to it.
>
> For my two cents as a Psycho-packer for about 200 jumps now, I find that
> it's a method that was designed for, and works best for smaller
> canopies. My Sabre 150 is pushing it, big time.
I find that strange. I usually psychopack my Triathlon 190 and find it
very comfortable. I take longer than the DZ packers, but I can do it
this
way faster than I can propack the Triathlon. FWIW.
One important point: as the original description from GG and friends
pointed
out, you need a bridle extension if you have a fair-sized canopy, else
you
have a problem getting the bridle attach point close enough to the top
center
of the D-bag. With that, I get clean openings and easy packing.
(Oh yes, one detail for the Triathlon. Since Bill Hazlett says not to
roll
the nose, I didn't want to do the "roll everything up into a sausage"
step
after flaking things. So what I do instead is to lie it on the ground
like the triangle shape you get in pro-pack but nose up. Then I fold
the
sides towards the middle in two steps. That's a tad slower than simply
rolling
but the benefit is that I get standard Triathlon openings instead of
funny
ones...)
paul
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JMPNUT
Do yourself a big favor and forget the phycso way , it has more bad
habits than you could think of. Been there tried it and with +/- 10 000
pack jobs to my credit before my initial mal it was the only pack job I
thought about cutting away from.
Paul Koning
So?
Apart from the fact that you did it wrong the one time you tried it,
do you have any good reasons for saying it's a bad idea? Keeping in
mind that plenty of people use it and that it's specifically recommended
by a major canopy manufacturer for at least some of their products?
FREFALLGUY
In article <34185F...@xedia.com>, Paul Koning <pko...@xedia.com> writes:
>> Do yourself a big favor and forget the phycso way , it has more bad
>> habits than you could think of. Been there tried it and with +/- 10 000
>> pack jobs to my credit before my initial mal it was the only pack job I
>> thought about cutting away from.
>
>So?
>Apart from the fact that you did it wrong the one time you tried it,
>do you have any good reasons for saying it's a bad idea?
Uh, Paul? He never said he only tried it one time.
Personally, I *never* pack the same way twice. I gotta do
something to keep the excitement in this sport, ya know?
Marc NBD#7
Jazz
FREFALLGUY wrote:
> Personally, I *never* pack the same way twice. I gotta do
> something to keep the excitement in this sport, ya know?
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You want me to jump out of a WHAT?
Well, ok... maybe just once.
Brian H Moulton
The Psycho Pack (I have my own version which works very reliably and
gives consistent on heading and mushy openings which I do teach to
others)
Works VERY well when trying to deal with new ZP. When I got my Sabre it
only had 2 jumps on it and was slipperier than a ball of silicone
lubricant and trying to pro-pack it Sucked hardcore. Now that it is all
nice and broken in I have no problems packing it either way, but if I
had not learned how to Psycho it, I would prolly still be wrestling with
it today. The Psycho pack gives you more control over the material when
it is still slippery. Now George may jump on my case for nor describing
the procedure correctly but here is how I do it.
tie down rig, set brakes, and do a line check, shake out the canopy and
get the nose cells organized and stick between the legs (standard stuff)
Then like the propack I organize the material from the nose back between
each line group and quater the slider and then I grap the tail of the
center cell and bring it up, I stuff the nose cells into the center and
then tightly wrap the first foot of the tail and lock the slider down
with the excess material (as shown to me by Norm). Then I induce the
half-line twist and plop the canopy down. Here is where I differ for
the most part from Georges instruction. After pulling the d-bag to the
side for later, I then start folding the material toward the center ,
squishing the air out mainly throught the thread holes and some through
the little hole where the tail wraps around the slider grommets. it is
usually about 2 folds per side of the canopy, and then I rollit like a
sleeping bag and stuff the bag down on top of it. I then undo the half
line twist and stow my line normally.
This pack job gives me consistently nice openings, which are highly
desired by myself as a camera-flyer.
B.
D19924
(oh yeah don't Psycho Pack Ted Strongs SET 400's, He doesn't like it and
neither do the tandem instructors when the canopy snivels for 2500 feet)
((Oh yeah I really have no idea as to whether or not Mr. Strong does or
does not like it I was just saying that to make it sound like i knew
him, I don't know George either, and with a standard propack I have seen
and videoed the SET 400 sniveling a good 1500 feet nor have I psycho
packed one because it just might snivel all the way in)
FREFALLGUY wrote:
>
> In article <34185F...@xedia.com>, Paul Koning <pko...@xedia.com> writes:
> >> Do yourself a big favor and forget the phycso way , it has more bad
> >> habits than you could think of. Been there tried it and with +/- 10 000
> >> pack jobs to my credit before my initial mal it was the only pack job I
> >> thought about cutting away from.
> >
> >So?
> >Apart from the fact that you did it wrong the one time you tried it,
> >do you have any good reasons for saying it's a bad idea?
>
> Uh, Paul? He never said he only tried it one time.
>
> Personally, I *never* pack the same way twice. I gotta do
> something to keep the excitement in this sport, ya know?
>
> Marc NBD#7