Containers: Mirage vs. Javelin
tee...@my-deja.com
opinions are on the Mirage G3 versus the Javelin. I'll probably be using a
170 main. I'm about 6'0", 170, and will be doing half and half RW and
freeflying.
Any thoughts are appreciated!
-Chris Jacobus
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Before you buy.
Chris
the other, choose a vector III.
lol, j/k
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Little Chump
want, not what is recommended on this NG.
Little Chump
Jim Bozarth
>From: "Little Chimp"
>Both are good containers. Also, look at the Wings container. Get the one YOU
>want, not what is recommended on this NG.
>
>Little Chimp
Good advice....it applies in spades to anything lil' Chimp says.
,
jim
skygod in training<hysterically laughing>
jhit...@concentric.net
I have both a Mirage G3 and a Javelin. They are both good rigs, and either
would be an excellent choice (in my opinion of course). I do most freefly
stuff, and both are really secure.
Jump them both if you have a chence and make up your own mind.
Blue ones,
Ditch
p.s. For what its worth, I found that I don't need two rigs and I'm selling
the Javelin.
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Doug
>hmmmm opions on the Mirage G3 and the Javelin. If you have to choose one or
>the other, choose a vector III.
Okay, why a Vector III?
I'm looking at the Mirage, Vector III, and Javelin. I've notice that
many/most of the riggers at the local DZ fly Vector IIIs. Personally,
I find the G3 much more comfortable -- that Vector sure is stiff in
the back.
So what's the Vector got going for it above the others?
Severe clear ones,
Doug
Stiletto107
have a Power Racer right now and am fixing to order anouther one. I use it
primarily for freeflying. Never had any problems with the velcro while
headdown or any other position. Jump Shack claims the fastest reserve
deployment. Definately the most comfortable rig I have put on.
Chris wrote:
>Any thoughts are appreciated!
Brian Giboney
I believe the Infinity by Velocity Sports is the best deal on the market ($1000 or so before options). The rig is comfortable and very well manufactured. It has great
riser covers and the strongest main pin closing flap I have seen to date.
I have a Racer for sale if you are interested, but I refuse to jump it anymore as it has let me done too many times on important jumps.
For more info email them at:
Peace,
Brian Giboney
Stiletto107
Brian Giboney
Risers coming out in freefall, toggles coming out in freefall, main closing flap coming undone during climbout and floating around for the next 60 seconds, etc.
Obviously, I am still alive, but am also thankful to be jumping an Infinity now.
Peace,
Brian Giboney
Stiletto107
it's a lot cheaper to replace than tuck tabs.
Martin Evans
Brian Giboney <sky1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Risers coming out in freefall, toggles coming out in freefall, main
closing flap coming undone during climbout and floating around for the next
60 seconds, etc.
>
Infinity now.
>
Did anyone ever teach you the importance of keeping your equipment in good
repair. If all this stuff was happening, you were at fault, not the rig. You
should have had the rig serviced at the first sign of wear!
If all this shit was going on I'm surprised that you could find anyone to
jump with or even get into the aircraft with. Not only could jumping
equipment in that condition kill you, it could kill all others in the
aircraft and possibly some on the ground as well!
With your freedom comes responsibility!
Please be careful out there!
Blue ones,
Stay Safe.
Martin Evans.
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Wendy Faulkner
>
>Risers coming out in freefall, toggles coming out in freefall, main closing flap coming undone during climbout and floating around for the next 60 seconds, etc.
>
>Obviously, I am still alive, but am also thankful to be jumping an Infinity now.
Was this a modern Racer or an old style one? My Power Racer is completely solid -
its got tuck tabs under the main flap, riser covers have never come open in freefall.
Did you keep your velcro in shape?
Wen
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livendive
> Sounds like that velcro seriously needs replacing. Nice thing about that is
> it's a lot cheaper to replace than tuck tabs.
True, but tuck tabs don't have to be replaced every 80 jumps like riser
cover velcro.
Blues,
Dave
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livendive
wrote:
> Obviously, I am still alive, but am also thankful to be jumping an Infinity now.
No kidding. Pound-for-pound, I'd say it's the best rig out there (OK -
at least for me). If you haven't taken a look at the new Infinity, you
might want to check out http://www.skydivenet.com/vse/ Suffice it to
say it ain't your daddy's northern light.
Wendy Faulkner
livendive <live...@aol.com> wrote:
>On 24 Mar 2000 05:19:24 GMT stile...@aol.com (Stiletto107) wrote:
>
>True, but tuck tabs don't have to be replaced every 80 jumps like riser
>cover velcro.
My velcro lasts a lot longer than that. But you have to get tuck tabs that stay -
some of the more modern rigs do a better job, but look at a lot of the Javelins in the
plane - they all seem to have one riser cover open! (Admittedly, I think Javelin has
fixed this problem in the newer rigs.)
W
jkallend
wrote:
> In article <BcNC4.4625$A4.2...@c01read04.service.talkway.com>,
> livendive <live...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On 24 Mar 2000 05:19:24 GMT stile...@aol.com (Stiletto107) wrote:
> >
> >True, but tuck tabs don't have to be replaced every 80 jumps like riser
> >cover velcro.
>
> My velcro lasts a lot longer than that. But you have to get tuck tabs that stay -
> some of the more modern rigs do a better job, but look at a lot of the Javelins in the
> plane - they all seem to have one riser cover open! (Admittedly, I think Javelin has
> fixed this problem in the newer rigs.)
>
My Javelin (DOM1997) lasted less than 50 jumps before I had to have a
tuck tab replaced.
The rigger used stiffeners from the newer design, and I haven't had
any more trouble with it.
jk
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livendive
> look at a lot of the Javelins in the
> plane - they all seem to have one riser cover open! (Admittedly, I think Javelin has
> fixed this problem in the newer rigs.)
When I was buying a new rig a few months back, I considered the
Javelin. I was convinced otherwise when a salesperson who wanted me to
buy one was honest enough to admit that there is still somewhat of a
problem with the riser covers (she's jumping a new one). She did say
that they're dramatically improved though, and given her frankness, I'm
inclined to believe her. I like salespeople who volunteer negative
points with positive points so the customer can make an informed
decision.
Blues,
Dave
Brian Giboney
I appreciate all the concern whether or not I took good care of my Racer when I was jumping it. The answer is yes! I admit that I may not have replace the velcro
every 50 jumps, but the bottom line is that velcro is better suited for the "fly on my pants" than it is for skydiving. There is no doubt the Racer is the most comfortable
rig on the market, but I can no longer sacrifice safety for comfort and that is why I have chosen Inifinity.
With regards to the main flap. My Racer actually has tuck tabs on it. There have been several occassions were I have been climbing out and the main flap popped
open from the prop blast. I have photos and video that Brian Erler took of me and it is ugly. These particular jumps were freefly jumps, but this happened prior to exit
so it doesn't matter what kind of jumping you do.....it is simply a poor design.
Let me put it to you this way. You can pick my new Infinity off the ground by its main flap. That is how secure the Infinity is. The next closest is the Vector 3.
Peace,
Brian Giboney with a Racer for sale
Brother Wayward
<snip>
> Let me put it to you this way. You can pick my new Infinity off the
ground by its main flap. That is how secure the Infinity is. The next
closest is the Vector 3.
>
Just put my Javelins through the "pick up" test. Lifted one by the main
flap, and one by the reserve flap. Both stayed secure. I've been jumping
Javs for about 6 months, put couple of hundred jumps on them, with a
variety of packers. Never had a flap or a riser cover come open when it
shouldn't, never had a problem. My skysurf teammates Javs always stay solid
no matter what he does!
The Javelin is undoubtably the best container I've seen or jumped, bar none.
Cheers
Craig T
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D16842
within them or how the canopies are distributed. It is more than the brand of
container.
Tom B
>Subject: Re: Containers:
>From: "Brother Wayward" trimble...@hotmail.com
>Date: 3/26/00 5:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <acwD4.57024$3b6.2...@ozemail.com.au>
Brother Wayward
and Tempo reserves correctly! The fact remains that the Jav is the market
leader for a reason!
Cheers
Craig T
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> The fact remains that the Jav is the market
> leader for a reason!
An extensive sponsoring program? ;o)
Espen
ALF#1
Wendy Faulkner
>
>Let me put it to you this way. You can pick my new Infinity off the ground by its main flap. That is how secure the Infinity is. The next closest is the Vector 3.
>
My Power Racer passes that test too. I actually have to pry the tabs out almost when
I do a pin check before getting dressed. To each his own I guess.
Alan Binnebose
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>
>
> Let me put it to you this way. You can pick my new Infinity off the
ground by its main flap. That is how secure the Infinity is. The next
closest is the Vector 3.
>
Where does the VooDoo fit in?
> Peace,
>
> Brian Giboney with a Racer for sale
Blue Skies,
Alan Binnebose D17868
Alan Binnebose
with a safe, well engineered rig?
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Brother Wayward <trimble...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Curiously enough Tom we actually sized our Javelins to fit our Icarus
mains
> and Tempo reserves correctly! The fact remains that the Jav is the market
> leader for a reason!
>
> Cheers
>
> Craig T
> (Was that a shameless plug I just committed???)
>
>
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> D16842 <d16...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > One of the reasons for flaps coming open is having the wrong sized
> canopies
> > within them or how the canopies are distributed. It is more than the
brand
> of
> > container.
> >
> > Tom B
> >
> > >Subject: Re: Containers:
> > >From: "Brother Wayward" trimble...@hotmail.com
> > >Date: 3/26/00 5:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
> > >Message-id: <acwD4.57024$3b6.2...@ozemail.com.au>
> > >
> > >
> > >Brian Giboney <sky1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:1103_954095154@briangib...
> > ><snip>
> > >> Let me put it to you this way. You can pick my new Infinity off the
> > >ground by its main flap. That is how secure the Infinity is. The next
> > >closest is the Vector 3.
> > >>
> > >