SKI SALES
Jay Jansen, Display & Devices, x4399, 5-2 2445
It's getting to be that time when the summer
ski sales start up..
does anyone know of any??
I've heard of a big sale somewhere up in Maine??
anyone have any details..
SkiMarket has been advertizing a sale in Boston..
Does anyone know when or where it it??
-Jay
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Bill who?
>
> It's getting to be that time when the summer
> ski sales start up..
>
> does anyone know of any??
>
> I've heard of a big sale somewhere up in Maine??
> anyone have any details..
>
> SkiMarket has been advertizing a sale in Boston..
> Does anyone know when or where it it??
>
> -Jay
Well, I know you will be crushed that you missed the Oshman's Big Summer
Ski Clearence Sale at the Los Angeles Sports Arena last weekend. Since this
is the home of the LA Clippers (basketball team) it is nice to see an
event there that draws at least 100 people.
Maybe you could try the Gart Brothers Sale in Denver (or have we missed that
too)?
Seriously though, most ski area shops have their ski sales on Labor Day
weekend and I have always found these to be the best. They usually try
to sell out the old, obsolete trash (from last season) to make room for
all the new and improved and revolutionized equipment in the latest
nuclear hues. Other skiers may look down upon you because you are
wearing something that was not in the September 1991 issue of:
Skiing
Ski
Snow Country
Powder
Snowboarder
but the shame soon passes.
Bill (I liked Shark better)
Bob Geer
>Maybe you could try the Gart Brothers Sale in Denver (or have we missed that
>too)?
Gart in Ootah does it's [alleged] big sale Labor Day weekend --
sniagrab or some such nonsense?
I use the term "alleged" because I've *never* seen big skis (>207cm)
on sale there, nor good skis like Volkl's for a decent (Ootah) price.
Life's a bitch, then you die horny, broke, & alone!!! It must be a
conspiracy!
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Steve Carnes
bgeer%jav...@dsd.es.com writes:
>
>I use the term "alleged" because I've *never* seen big skis (>207cm)
>on sale there, nor good skis like Volkl's for a decent (Ootah) price.
Stood in line at the Boulder Sniagrab ("bargains" spelled backwards)
early on the first morning, ran inside, and put my hand on the ONLY
pair of 215 cm Atomic Arc gs's. Immediately, another hand hit the
back of mine, and the attached face looked crestfallen. They're
getting a little soft lo these many years later, but they still carve
long, fast turns in powder and crud alike!
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Bill who?
>>too)?
>
>Gart in Ootah does it's [alleged] big sale Labor Day weekend --
>sniagrab or some such nonsense?
>
>I use the term "alleged" because I've *never* seen big skis (>207cm)
>on sale there, nor good skis like Volkl's for a decent (Ootah) price.
>
>Life's a bitch, then you die horny, broke, & alone!!! It must be a
>conspiracy!
>
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Bob,
Volkl's aren't for sale at a decent price anywhere! Do people really believe
they are worth the money? My best friend (Colorado raised ski fanatic)
swears by his but so would I if I had shelled out that kind of bucks
for some.
What makes them that much better than the top of the line Rossi's,
or Atomics, or Dynastars? I read the writeups in the standard
advertising rags (Powder, Ski, Skiing, Snow Country, etc.) but
they just don't justify the extra $200+ for something I am going
to strap to a car top doing 90 in blowing snow, salt, and dirt,
ski over rocks, tree trunks and such that have somehow worked
their way up thru that 50 inch base you see on the conditions
board at the lodge and let ass*&%!## in the lift line use for
sharpening their edges.
Besides the hype whats the point?
Bill
david m larocque
...AND the price just went up.
>What makes them that much better than the top of the line Rossi's,
>or Atomics, or Dynastars? I read the writeups in the standard
>advertising rags...
Skiing magazine said that Volkl's new all-terrain ski (P19 --
$775.00) was "probably the sweetest ski in the bunch [of the all-
terrain skis tested]".
I love my Volkls but, ouch, $775.00!
-Dave
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Davin Lim
>>Gart in Ootah does it's [alleged] big sale Labor Day weekend --
>>sniagrab or some such nonsense?
>>
>>I use the term "alleged" because I've *never* seen big skis (>207cm)
>>on sale there, nor good skis like Volkl's for a decent (Ootah) price.
>>
>Bob,
>
>Volkl's aren't for sale at a decent price anywhere! Do people really believe
>they are worth the money?
>
>What makes them that much better than the top of the line Rossi's,
>or Atomics, or Dynastars? I read the writeups in the standard
>advertising rags (Powder, Ski, Skiing, Snow Country, etc.) but
>they just don't justify the extra $200+ for something I am going
>to strap to a car top doing 90 in blowing snow, salt, and dirt,
>ski over rocks, tree trunks and such that have somehow worked
>their way up thru that 50 inch base you see on the conditions
>board at the lodge and let ass*&%!## in the lift line use for
>sharpening their edges.
>
>Besides the hype whats the point?
>
>Bill
Why would somebody buy a BMW 318? Or a fancy Braun coffee maker? Or
a Purple Fat Chance Mtn. Bike with Rock Shox IIs - only to ride it
on the bike path with his dog? Or dress in a Bogner one-piece ski
Oo-niform? ?? Because they work better? Gimme a break.
Don't get me wrong, I think Volkl's are fine skis (and I have had
enough ski days with them to make a fair - albeit subjective -
evaluation) but I'd probably never have the nerve to shell out
the $$ for them. Most racers below the world-cup level don't use
them because they're not a bargain - even at pro form prices.
I don't think any competitive racer would turn down a Volkl
sponsorship, but most of them can't afford them unless they
are given them free. However, if they really felt that Volkls
*did* offer such a superior ride, and would offer a real
advantage over other top line skis, they'd shell out the $$ for
the boards and sacrifice elsewhere. But it just doesn't happen.
Besides, It would not be fun to bend a pair of P9-SL's in the
bumps (they're part metal laminate.)
-Davin Lim
Kelly Shuldberg
were only 203s, but then I'm not that big) at Herman's in Salt Lake City
for $200.00 at their Labor Day sale. They were demos, but as far as I
could tell, they'd never been used. They had Tyrolia adjustable bindings
on them, which are a bit heavier than non-adjustable bindings, but not
enough for me to care about. I assume the reason they were selling them is
because Rossignol discontinued the 3G the following winter and replaced it
with the 4G. I'd demoed every ski I could lay my hands on the winter
before, and except for the Kastle RX-12 Magnesium Light (which I couldn't
find anywhere for less than about $500.00), I liked the 3G the best. Has
anyone ever seen Kastle's on sale anywhere?
h. kelly shuldberg
hke...@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
Timothy E. Rapp
>with the 4G. I'd demoed every ski I could lay my hands on the winter
>before, and except for the Kastle RX-12 Magnesium Light (which I couldn't
How does one go about demoing a particular ski? Is there a fee beyond
the usual rental fee? I plan to buy a pair of skis next year, and would
like to have a chance to try before I buy....
Thanks!
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Timothy Rapp
ter...@unix.cis.pitt.edu
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J. J. Ecker
>hke...@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes:
>>with the 4G. I'd demoed every ski I could lay my hands on the winter
> ^^^^^^
>>before, and except for the Kastle RX-12 Magnesium Light (which I couldn't
>
>How does one go about demoing a particular ski? Is there a fee beyond
>the usual rental fee? I plan to buy a pair of skis next year, and would
>like to have a chance to try before I buy....
>
Demoing a pair of skis before you buy them is, in my opinion, a good
thing to do. It does, however, cost a bit more than renting skis. I
bought a pair of Rossi 4Gs two years ago at a demo shop. If I remember
correctly, the guy charged me $20 for the day and I got to demo as many
different pairs of skis as I wanted.
After demoing four pairs of skis, I decided on the Rossi 4Gs. I bought
them for $228 (price included the Marker M46 bindings that were on the
skis). The only disadvantage to buying demo skis is that they've been
used by people who didn't own them, and thus have probably been ragged
on a bit. However, I'm sure that most demo shops keep their skis in
fairly decent shape (i.e. wax, sharpen on a regular basis).
JJ Ecker
Convex Computer Corp.
Richardson, Tx
Bob Van Horn <rvanhorn>
over the past ten years. Usually buy long (200+ cm) high end
Dynastar or Rossi from high end shop at Colorado's Keystone or
Breckenridge resorts. This usually happens in late March or early
April and I usually wind up with a darned good deal for about 50
cents on the dollar. Also like the demo bindings (currently have
Marker M46's on Dynastar's) since they seem to have a bit more metal
and less plastic than the straight for sale models. Haven't really
been stuck with any damaged merchandise but then again....look at the
ski in natural light and you can usually spot the repairs, if any.
regards
R. J. (Bob) Van Horn
Kelly Shuldberg
>>thing to do. It does, however, cost a bit more than renting skis. I
>>bought a pair of Rossi 4Gs two years ago at a demo shop. If I remember
>>correctly, the guy charged me $20 for the day and I got to demo as many
>>different pairs of skis as I wanted.
This is about what my experience was. I was living in Salt Lake City at
the time, so I demoed skis from some of the at-the-mountain shops as well
as trying some from in-the-city shops. The city shops, as I recall, were a
little less expensive than the mountain shops--$15.00 a day vs. $20.00 a
day--but the advantage to renting from a mountain shop is that you can try
a number of different skis for one fee. You could probably do that with a
city shop, too, but then you have to drive down the canyon, make the
exchange, then drive back up to the resort. It's an interesting experience
to see how different skis feel and perform, and if you're changing after
every other run or so, you really get a good idea of the contrasts between
skis. When I finally found some skis I liked, I skied them a couple of
days (renting from the city) to try to get a feel for them over several
runs and under different conditions. Overall, I think demoing is the only
way to come to an informed choice about which skis to buy.
Bill who?
>>Volkl's aren't for sale at a decent price anywhere!
>
>>What makes them that much better than the top of the line Rossi's,
>>or Atomics, or Dynastars? I read the writeups in the standard
>>advertising rags...
>
>Skiing magazine said that Volkl's new all-terrain ski (P19 --
>$775.00) was "probably the sweetest ski in the bunch [of the all-
>terrain skis tested]".
>
>I love my Volkls but, ouch, $775.00!
>
>-Dave
>
My point exactly, I will demo some this winter but for $775. I can get
top of the line "whatevers (exclude Volkl's, LaCrouis(sp), Yamaha's),
bindings, poles, and a two ski trip!
Just how sweet could they be?
Bill
David W. Levine
of skis I bought and in one case, changed my mind in the
process. It's worth taking the time to try the skis out in
the conditions you normally ski. A lot of shops will apply your
demo costs (Up to some limit) to the costs of the ski. If you
like a shop on a mountain you ski a lot, this is the place to
do it. You may spend a little more, but, you'll avoid buying a
ski that you'll hate for N seasons. You will probably also have the
chance to establish a good relationship with a ski shop, which is
a useful thing, especially if you ski the region a lot.
- David
John Luke Mills
once and put a DIFFERENT kind on each foot. You should also swap the
them left to right so you are not always on a Rossi on the left foot
and a Vokl on the right foot for example.
I did this last time I was demoing and it was a blast, and it lets you
--
Richard Meesters
> they are worth the money? My best friend (Colorado raised ski fanatic)
> swears by his but so would I if I had shelled out that kind of bucks
> for some.
>
> What makes them that much better than the top of the line Rossi's,
> or Atomics, or Dynastars? I read the writeups in the standard
> advertising rags (Powder, Ski, Skiing, Snow Country, etc.) but
> they just don't justify the extra $200+ for something I am going
> to strap to a car top doing 90 in blowing snow, salt, and dirt,
> ski over rocks, tree trunks and such that have somehow worked
> their way up thru that 50 inch base you see on the conditions
> board at the lodge and let ass*&%!## in the lift line use for
> sharpening their edges.
>
> Besides the hype whats the point?
>
Just my humble opinion, I don't really wan't to recreate last years Volkl
bashing thread :-}
I find what makes my Volkl's better than other skis that I have owned relate
to the durability of the skis. As a ski patroller, my skis tend to take
quite a beating during day to day use. I pull the bottoms over whatever
happens to be between me and an accident (Whenever necessary), and pull
toboggans over the tops from time to time. After two years of abuse, the
skis have had only minimal base repair required, and the top sheets still
look great. Other skis I've owned haven't held up as well.
Oh yeah, they also perform as well (or better) than any other ski I've used,
and are holding their camber well (2 years and counting).
Regards,
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Jan Penovich
>
> It's getting to be that time when the summer
> ski sales start up..
>
> does anyone know of any??
>
> I've heard of a big sale somewhere up in Maine??
> anyone have any details..
>
> SkiMarket has been advertizing a sale in Boston..
> Does anyone know when or where it it??
>
> -Jay
For anyone in South Florida, the Peter Glenn store in Fort
Lauderdale is selling all of last years stuff for up to 70%
off. I got a new ski jacket for about 60% off. Of course
it's last years model and I'll have to hang my head in shame
when skiing past the ski bunny fashion plates. But, hey, I can
deal with that. :-)
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Bill who?
> Lauderdale is selling all of last years stuff for up to 70%
> off. I got a new ski jacket for about 60% off. Of course
> it's last years model and I'll have to hang my head in shame
> when skiing past the ski bunny fashion plates. But, hey, I can
> deal with that. :-)
>
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Ft. Lauderdale, great city...........looooooooooonnnnngggggg way to
a ski lift.
Not to worry about the fashion. When I was at Whistler last spring
I saw some really wild outfits in the latest nuclear hues being
worn by (many) young Japanese (Japan is the world's largest ski market!)
They all seemed to be standing around the upper mountain restaurant smoking
(nice habit, a sure sign of a litterbug - yeah, I'll get flamed for
that remark) instead of skiing. Then I saw them skiing. They should have
stayed at the restaurant.
When I ski Ootah (not often enough) you can spot the locals blindfolded;
they are generally in the WWII surplus skiing the more challenging
runs and making cracks about we Californians in our radioactive wear.
Hey, Mt. Baker got snow last night! Unusual? Useful? Can we work this
into Eugene's pop meteorlogy....a Washington State El Nino (means
"the child").....just some late summer ramblings....
Bill
John Harris
>
>Not to worry about the fashion. When I was at Whistler last spring
>I saw some really wild outfits in the latest nuclear hues being
>worn by (many) young Japanese (Japan is the world's largest ski market!)
>They all seemed to be standing around the upper mountain restaurant smoking
>(nice habit, a sure sign of a litterbug - yeah, I'll get flamed for
>that remark) instead of skiing. Then I saw them skiing. They should have
>stayed at the restaurant.
>
We had a similar experience at Whistler. Bill tell's it like it is about
the overwhelming numbers of Japanese at Blackcomb/Whislter. We as white
American males felt in the minority there. They seemed to mass together
and wait at the top of the lifts for the group and then take off all at
once.
One day, we were getting off the Whistler gondola at the roundhouse and
walked outside. Much to our suprize there musta been 500 young Japanese
persons standing in an orderly semi-circle with cameras at the ready. We
started smiling expecting to become famous American Skiers, but no!
They pointed their lenses towards someone else. Never did figure out what
all the exceitment was about.
We talked to one Japanese fellow (who knew a little english) on the gondola
and he explained it was cheaper to fly to Canada for a ski vacation than
to take a ski vacation in Japan. Tried of <$30 lift tickets and long
lift lines? Ain't nothing compaired to Japan!
John.
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Sharon Badian
>> they are worth the money? My best friend (Colorado raised ski fanatic)
>> swears by his but so would I if I had shelled out that kind of bucks
>> for some.
>>
>> What makes them that much better than the top of the line Rossi's,
>> or Atomics, or Dynastars? I read the writeups in the standard
>> advertising rags (Powder, Ski, Skiing, Snow Country, etc.) but
>> they just don't justify the extra $200+ for something I am going
>> to strap to a car top doing 90 in blowing snow, salt, and dirt,
>> ski over rocks, tree trunks and such that have somehow worked
>> their way up thru that 50 inch base you see on the conditions
>> board at the lodge and let ass*&%!## in the lift line use for
>> sharpening their edges.
>>
>> Besides the hype whats the point?
I saw a whole bunch of Volkl skis on sale just this weekend, so they must
go on sale eventually. Even Volkl has to discontinue models and sell off
the old stuff. The ones I remember are the P9 SL which were selling for
around $300, I think. I don't know what list is, but I seem to remember
that every Volkl listed for over $350.
I have a friend who adores his Volkl's. He has the P9 SLC's. He says they
are nicest skis he has ever skied on except that they don't perform well
in powder (but then again, he only sees powder once a season because he's
a poor Easterner so maybe it's just operator error. :-) ). I bought skis
the same time he did. I didn't even think about the Volkl's. The price
was enough to dissuade me and also the fact that they are HEAVY. I am
a fairly light female and I couldn't see putting those heavy skis on my
feet. Sure they are sturdy, but at what price? I picked a pair of
Dynastar Course SL's, almost as light as you can find. We both happen to
be very, very happy with our skis.
I never understood why people get so upset about other yuks stepping on
their skis in a lift line. Are you worrying about ruining the pretty
graphics? Heck, I do more to destory the graphics skiing than anyone in
a lift line is going to do. If they step on your skis and ruin their
edges, what do you care? I admit I don't like it when someone is standing
on my skis in a line and I'm trying to move forward. It's like someone
behind me holding on to my belt loop to keep me from moving. Getting into
my space, ya know?
Sharon Badian
se...@druhi.att.com
Rick Emerson
>
> I saw a whole bunch of Volkl skis on sale just this weekend, so they must
> go on sale eventually. Even Volkl has to discontinue models and sell off
> the old stuff. The ones I remember are the P9 SL which were selling for
> around $300, I think. I don't know what list is, but I seem to remember
> that every Volkl listed for over $350.
>
> I have a friend who adores his Volkl's. He has the P9 SLC's. He says they
> are nicest skis he has ever skied on except that they don't perform well
> in powder (but then again, he only sees powder once a season because he's
> a poor Easterner so maybe it's just operator error. :-) ). I bought skis
> the same time he did. I didn't even think about the Volkl's. The price
> was enough to dissuade me and also the fact that they are HEAVY. I am
> a fairly light female and I couldn't see putting those heavy skis on my
> feet. Sure they are sturdy, but at what price? I picked a pair of
> Dynastar Course SL's, almost as light as you can find. We both happen to
> be very, very happy with our skis.
Voelkls *are* pricey, no doubt about it. Most of my colleagues won't even
touch them when they can get pro discounts. They do ski well, no doubt about
it but not well enough to justify the cost. At least IMHO.
> I never understood why people get so upset about other yuks stepping on
> their skis in a lift line. Are you worrying about ruining the pretty
> graphics? Heck, I do more to destory the graphics skiing than anyone in
> a lift line is going to do. If they step on your skis and ruin their
> edges, what do you care? I admit I don't like it when someone is standing
> on my skis in a line and I'm trying to move forward. It's like someone
> behind me holding on to my belt loop to keep me from moving. Getting into
> my space, ya know?
If someone is so out of it to stomp on my skis in a lift line, I have to
wonder about their abilities on the hill... Obviously there are times when it
can't be avoided, but as far as I'm concerned, stepping on someone's skis is
just as gauche as stepping on someone's feet.
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kl...@otago.ac.nz
>
> I find what makes my Volkl's better than other skis that I have owned relate
> to the durability of the skis. As a ski patroller, my skis tend to take
> quite a beating during day to day use. I pull the bottoms over whatever
> happens to be between me and an accident (Whenever necessary), and pull
> toboggans over the tops from time to time. After two years of abuse, the
> skis have had only minimal base repair required, and the top sheets still
> look great. Other skis I've owned haven't held up as well.
>
> Oh yeah, they also perform as well (or better) than any other ski I've used,
> and are holding their camber well (2 years and counting).
Ditto for me
I put about 30 days onto my skis each year. Volkls seem to stand this trashing
better than anything else. I have 2 pairs of Volkls (downhill and ski-
mountaineering) and when I need to replace them, I will buy Volkl again.
A very satisfied customer.
KLox
Bill who?
>In article <28AUG199...@quark2.aero.org> ter...@quark2.aero.org (Bill who?) writes:
>>
>>Not to worry about the fashion. When I was at Whistler last spring
>>I saw some really wild outfits in the latest nuclear hues being
>>worn by (many) young Japanese (Japan is the world's largest ski market!)
>>They all seemed to be standing around the upper mountain restaurant smoking
>>(nice habit, a sure sign of a litterbug - yeah, I'll get flamed for
>>that remark) instead of skiing. Then I saw them skiing. They should have
>>stayed at the restaurant.
>>
>
>We had a similar experience at Whistler. Bill tell's it like it is about
>the overwhelming numbers of Japanese at Blackcomb/Whislter. We as white
>American males felt in the minority there. They seemed to mass together
>and wait at the top of the lifts for the group and then take off all at
>once.
>
>
>and he explained it was cheaper to fly to Canada for a ski vacation than
>to take a ski vacation in Japan. Tried of <$30 lift tickets and long
>lift lines? Ain't nothing compaired to Japan!
>
>John.
>
Interesting, while on Maui this past May (looking for a Bogner ski
suite in a Hawaiin motif - gotta make the connection to rec.skiing)
I was told by the guy giving the tour at the Tadeschi (sp) winery
that the Japanese out spend Americans 8 to 1! Well guys, come on
over! Reasoning was the same, significantly lower prices here for
things like steak. It is no wonder since they have so little
ranching real estate and the massage their cows and feed them
orange juice.
According to one of the ski rags I get the Japanese last year bought
1.6 million new pairs of skis. 900.000 was the total for the US. Anyplace
that has "oxygen bars" where you pay to take a wiff of scented oxygen
(like strawberry, or mint or sushi (marketed as Julia Roberts))
obviously has a significant number of people with a great need to be
seperated from their hard currency. If I were the marketing department
at Whistler/Blackcomb I know where I would spend my budget.
Bill
Bill who?
>I never understood why people get so upset about other yuks stepping on
>their skis in a lift line. Are you worrying about ruining the pretty
>graphics? Heck, I do more to destory the graphics skiing than anyone in
>a lift line is going to do. If they step on your skis and ruin their
>edges, what do you care? I admit I don't like it when someone is standing
>on my skis in a line and I'm trying to move forward. It's like someone
>behind me holding on to my belt loop to keep me from moving. Getting into
>my space, ya know?
>
>Sharon Badian
Ah yes, I trash my skis too, after all they are recreational equipment,
I have 4 pairs of my own and I can afford to buy new ones anytime
(unlike in my past and a lot of peoples present) and I, like
everyone else ski on the bottoms (though, like everyone else, I am
attached to the tops!) BUT....
..what you have to do is spend some time in the lift queues in France
or Italy. Then you too will want an Uzi to carry in your fanny pack.
Bill
Bob Geer
>I never understood why people get so upset about other yuks stepping on
>their skis in a lift line. Are you worrying about ruining the pretty
One good way to protect the graphics of your skis: cover the tops with
duct tape. Simply remove tape when you wish to impress someone.
If you ski at Alta, you can put the duct tape on your clothes to look
like a Alta-phile.
This also works well to discourage the average ski thief, esp. if you
use red & blue El Marko's to badly approximate Rossi FP graphics.
This is especially useful for those odd times you need to leave your
skis unattended overnight, like after skiing in the Christmas & New
Year's torchlight parades at Alta & the locker room is closed!
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Kelly Shuldberg
>>If you ski at Alta, you can put the duct tape on your clothes to look
>>like a Alta-phile.
I knew I'd learned this trick somewhere. I like to ski in an old pair of
heavy wool pants, because they're loose fitting and they breathe. The
holes they have in them are adequately held together by duct tape, or as
we used to call it on the Colorado river, "hunnert-mile-an-hour tape." And
if you run across noisy, obnoxious New Yorkers or Texans, two or three
inches does nicely to seal them up, too!
Bill who?
Kelly,
I suspected that you and Bob might have understood that duct tape
is the real bonding material at the sub-atomic particle level that holds
all matter together.
I saw a guy at Jackson Hole a few years ago skiing in some heavy wool
WWI surplus pants with several strips of duct running from his tail
bone to his belt buckle! My guess is that a) his pants at one time
were not as baggy as yours b) he is massochistic; c) he has a big bladder:
or d) all of the above.
Bill
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I demoed Volkl's extensively two years ago, along with a lot of other brands
(Dynastar Coupe du Monde, Rossi 4S, Pre SP, etc., etc.).
Volkl Renntiger: Best advanced intermediate ski I've ever been on. If I had
been skiing on this ski five years ago, I would be where I am now three years
ago (??!). Stable, fast enough, easy-turning yet still responsive.
Volkl P9 Slalom: Awesome slalom ski, the fastest I tried. Lively, quick,
hard to control. I would have bought this, but the salesperson convinced me
that they wouldn't be suitable for general skiing and might break. Hearing
here about how tough Volkl's are makes me wish I had bought them.
My spouse recently bought Volkl Competition skis, and loves them.
You do seem to get more for your $$$, but yes, you should demo before buying.
Bob Geer
City...205's were the longest, grossly inadequate for anyone over
5'4". Far as I'm concerned, they can eat their short skis!!! (Like,
I'm sure they care!)
Sport Loft has an extensive selection, but best deal was 10% off,
which would at least give a downpayment on the bindings!!!
E-mail returned to a couple of individuals who send claims that
Volkl's were ~$300 in their area didn't bring any response. So, I
guess they were not telling the truth.
Maybe the Row-Mark sale will turn loose some 225's or something fun
like that.
Oh well...life's a bitch then you die horny, broke, & alone.
Sharon Badian
> E-mail returned to a couple of individuals who send claims that
> Volkl's were ~$300 in their area didn't bring any response. So, I
> guess they were not telling the truth.
No, I'm telling the truth. If you mailed to me, your mail never made it
to my site and I tried mailing this direct to you but it bounced. I saw
the sale at Hagan's in Boulder. All the Volkl's were on sale for
ridculous prices. Don't know if Hagan's exist outside of the Denver area.
Sharon Badian
se...@druhi.att.com
John Harris
>In article <30AUG199...@quark2.aero.org> ter...@quark2.aero.org (Bill who?) writes:
>>>holes they have in them are adequately held together by duct tape, or as
>>>we used to call it on the Colorado river, "hunnert-mile-an-hour tape." And
>>>if you run across noisy, obnoxious New Yorkers or Texans, two or three
>>>inches does nicely to seal them up, too!
>
>and us Texans being faster skiers than you Coloradians, we naturally need
>tape that holds on at speeds greater than "hunnert-mile-an-hour". :-)
For the humer impaired ;-)
Texans speed along at greater than "hunnert-mile-an-hour" because they
can't turn! Long, wide and flat, yea, that's the way they like it.
Coloradians arn't fast skiers because they have too much powder to deal
with. And since it is so light and dry they don't haveta work very hard
to turn their skis and therefore don't run out of breath and are real
altiDudes. (Not to be confussed with those AltaDudes)
New York? Where the hell is that!?
Now Pacific Northwest skiers, they're the REAL skiers! A couple o'three
years pushing CASCADE POWDER and your ready for ANYTHING! On the steeps
and in the deeps, Cascade mash potatoes can't be beat!
And we don't need no stinking duct tape!
Jack Hudler
>>holes they have in them are adequately held together by duct tape, or as
>>we used to call it on the Colorado river, "hunnert-mile-an-hour tape." And
>>if you run across noisy, obnoxious New Yorkers or Texans, two or three
>>inches does nicely to seal them up, too!
Naw, us Texans use Mach3 tape, you know with all the aerospace around here
and us Texans being faster skiers than you Coloradians, we naturally need
tape that holds on at speeds greater than "hunnert-mile-an-hour". :-)
Tape works real well in Europe, you can lash a frog up good an secure to
lift tower. :-)
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Hudler Internet: ja...@cscdec.cs.com
Bill who?
>>>heavy wool pants, because they're loose fitting and they breathe. The
>>>holes they have in them are adequately held together by duct tape, or as
>>>we used to call it on the Colorado river, "hunnert-mile-an-hour tape." And
>>>if you run across noisy, obnoxious New Yorkers or Texans, two or three
>>>inches does nicely to seal them up, too!
> And this response appeared....
>Naw, us Texans use Mach3 tape, you know with all the aerospace around here
>and us Texans being faster skiers than you Coloradians, we naturally need
>tape that holds on at speeds greater than "hunnert-mile-an-hour". :-)
>Tape works real well in Europe, you can lash a frog up good an secure to
>lift tower. :-)
>--
>Jack Computer Support Corporation Dallas,Texas
>Hudler Internet: ja...@cscdec.cs.com
You people are baiting me, right? This is some kind of sick net joke,
isn't it?
Where in all of Texas could you find someone bright enough to access the net,
let alone put together sentences at the fourth grade level?
I'll find out who did this and when I do I'm going to give your name to my
ex and tell her you have more than one dollar in the bank.
September in NOT the month for this kind of cruel humor!
Bill
Gregory A Mccormick
skis. I have never skiied in California, but I figured I would give
Heavenly Valley a try. I'm on a tight budget and could use some advise
on the who, what, where and when of skiing in the Tahoe area. I am an
intermediate level skiier.
I am also interested in the night life for the area. Is there such a thing
as a 2 dollar and below blackjack table? Remember I said tight budget.
Thanks in advance
Looking
> quite a beating during day to day use. I pull the bottoms over whatever
> happens to be between me and an accident (Whenever necessary), and pull
> toboggans over the tops from time to time. After two years of abuse, the
> skis have had only minimal base repair required, and the top sheets still
> look great. Other skis I've owned haven't held up as well.
I'vi never skied Volkl, but my ski patrol partner skis nothing else. The
base is almost indestructable, but the tops seem pretty soft. The top
edges are a 45 degree angle from contact with the opposite ski, and they
have a *lot* of scratches and gouges. Did Volkl start making the pretty
side tougher.
_ / Keith Emmen Never let fear
` ) / __ / __ k...@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com and common sense
/-< / / /__) interfere with
/ \ (__/ \__ having a good time
Pete Babic
In a previous article, sai...@cellar.UUCP (Rick Emerson) says:
>se...@druhi.ATT.COM (Sharon Badian) writes:
>
>>
>> I saw a whole bunch of Volkl skis on sale just this weekend, so they must
>> go on sale eventually. Even Volkl has to discontinue models and sell off
>> the old stuff. The ones I remember are the P9 SL which were selling for
>> around $300, I think. I don't know what list is, but I seem to remember
>> that every Volkl listed for over $350.
>>
>> I have a friend who adores his Volkl's. He has the P9 SLC's. He says they
>> are nicest skis he has ever skied on except that they don't perform well
>> in powder (but then again, he only sees powder once a season because he's
>> a poor Easterner so maybe it's just operator error. :-) ). I bought skis
>> the same time he did. I didn't even think about the Volkl's. The price
>> was enough to dissuade me and also the fact that they are HEAVY. I am
>> a fairly light female and I couldn't see putting those heavy skis on my
>> feet. Sure they are sturdy, but at what price? I picked a pair of
>> Dynastar Course SL's, almost as light as you can find. We both happen to
>> be very, very happy with our skis.
>
>Voelkls *are* pricey, no doubt about it. Most of my colleagues won't even
>touch them when they can get pro discounts. They do ski well, no doubt about
>it but not well enough to justify the cost. At least IMHO.
I've considered buy Volkls this year going by what I've heard. I have to make
a choice between the top Rossi slalom skies or Volkl slalom skies, P10's I
think. I've always been real happy with Rossi's, how do the Volkl's compare?
Are they really worth the extra money?
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George Wu
|> I have never skiied in California, but I figured I would give
|> Heavenly Valley a try.
At that time of year (January), we may not have alot of snow, so
Heavenly isn't too bad an idea. They make a fair amount and have a good
altitude. Boreal in North Tahoe almost makes snow, but they're much
smaller and limited in terrain. If there's good snow when you get there,
there are lots of places to try. Everyone's got their favorites, but
Squaw Valley and Alpine Meadows are two I wouldn't want to miss.
|> I'm on a tight budget and could use some advise
|> on the who, what, where and when of skiing in the Tahoe area.
South Lake Tahoe has plenty of relatively cheap hotel rooms. Certainly,
if you're in the North Tahoe area, ie. not Heavenly or Kirkwood, drive
to/from Reno. The casinos make for cheap hotel rooms. But no hotel can
beat a ski dorm. If you're a UC student, the Cal Ski Club runs a ski dorm
near Sugarbowl in North Tahoe. I think it cost less than $30 per night last
year, including breakfast.
|> I am a intermediate level skiier.
Heavenly is mostly cruising blue runs. Stick to the upper mountain, as
the very base (Gunbarrel) is advanced terrain, and lower mid-mountain has
mostly beginner trails. In addition, lower mid-mountain gets absolutely
packed with novices and obnoxious teenagers.
|> I am also interested in the night life for the area. Is there such a thing
|> as a 2 dollar and below blackjack table? Remember I said tight budget.
Several of the South Tahoe casinoes do have $2 tables, but they
generally raise the limits as the night progresses. By 9:00, I think there
is only one $2 table left in the entire town. (Sorry, I don't remember who
has it.)
George
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Bill who?
Yes Greg,
Heavenly is truely named. I understand the lift tickets will be under $7.00
again this season and they have added 4 new high-speed quads which
access an additional 3500 acres of blue crusiers. Why would anyone
want to ski anywhere else?
As for the night life, well Tahoe is the place. Just go to Stateline
(South Lake Tahoe) and you can find shows like Paula Abdul performing with
ticket prices under $10. with a buffet dinner included. As to the
gambling, yes there are plenty of places to take your money no matter how
slowly you want to donate it.
Enjoy
Bill
(Come on now, it is a cruel world; be part of it.)
Jack Hudler
>>Naw, us Texans use Mach3 tape, you know with all the aerospace around here
>>and us Texans being faster skiers than you Coloradians, we naturally need
>>tape that holds on at speeds greater than "hunnert-mile-an-hour". :-)
>>Tape works real well in Europe, you can lash a frog up good an secure to
>>lift tower. :-)
>
>isn't it?
>
>Where in all of Texas could you find someone bright enough to access the net,
>let alone put together sentences at the fourth grade level?
>
>I'll find out who did this and when I do I'm going to give your name to my
>ex and tell her you have more than one dollar in the bank.
>
>September in NOT the month for this kind of cruel humor!
Twern't nothin'. :-)