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the Tupper's

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Dec 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/2/98
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While watching a Boarder cross competition on t.v. I heard a comment from
Shaun Palmer. He had just taken second place in a heat. He said something
like I hate it when this happens, second place. I believe this is a prime
example of what direction snowboarding is heading in with al this corporate
pressure. People these days are getting into snowboarding because all the
cool people are doing it or they are out there to get the girls with the
cool new $500 board they just got. I would give anything to get 2nd place
in a huge contest like Swatch Boardercross but big man Shaun Palmer isn't
satisfied with only being second best. Later on in the finals Shaun took a
fall and was out of the competion. He shouldn't have let that "only second
place" get him down. I'm sure there were guys from the racers from the
losers bracket that said I'm satisfied that I even got to the competition
and they would feel a sense of accomplishment for even getting that far.


Yemi Adesanya

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Dec 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/2/98
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OK, maybe boardercross does not truly reflect the heart and soul of
snowboarding. But then, what discipline does?? The keyword is COMPETITION.
Shaun obviously is one hell of a competitor who must push himself a great
deal. Not only in pursuit of 1st place but also to better his acheivements.
I think ultimately, you're toughest competition comes from within.

I too would be happy with 2nd place in the Swatch Boardercross. But if I
dominated the event like Palmer, I know for sure I'd be a little pissed at
getting second. Ain't nothing wrong with feeling dissappointed in
competition, as long it generates a positive performance afterwards.

-----
Yemi


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mike chaney

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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He gets paid to finish good. I can't think of any person competing in
a pro sport who is happy with second place. he's a dickhead
nonetheless--but that has nothing to do with trying to make a living
at something ya do.

Brian Mckenzie

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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On Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:47:15 GMT, "the Tupper's"
<ktup...@maine.rr.com> wrote:

> While watching a Boarder cross competition on t.v. I heard a comment from
>Shaun Palmer. He had just taken second place in a heat. He said something
>like I hate it when this happens, second place.

I saw it and took it a different way. He didn't really seem upset
about it, in fact I thought he was joking around. I think in every
sport people make these types of comments. I don't know too much about
Palmer, but from what I've read or seen (on TV), he is a competitor
and likes to win, nothing wrong with that. Now myself, with no talent,
I would be absolutely thrilled to get 2nd place :-)

Later,
Brian

merally

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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Hello Tupper, lighten up. I think you are taking what Palmer said to
literally. Who cares what the corporate world is up to?
A.

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> While watching a Boarder cross competition on t.v. I heard a comment from
>Shaun Palmer. He had just taken second place in a heat. He said something

James Morgan

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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heh,

its all well and good to say we'd all be happy with 2nd, ... but face it, if
we were that good we'd be pissed that we came 2nd too. of course at the
moment i'd be thrilled to stomp down a 360 instead of skiddering around
afterwards. :P competition is competition and if ya didn't want to see the
guys go hardcore you wouldn't watch it anyways. :) so, its all good!

james


DUBRULES

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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why does everyone love boardercross. slopestyle or halfpipe or big air are the
best. anyway comp's dont represent the heart and soul of snowbaording.

og

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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That's the difference between champions and schmoe's. For a true
champion 2nd is dogmeat. Shaun Palmer has proven he's the best
Bordercross
competitor of all time.

steve

MikeBLAH

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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what a little cry-baby the original "poster" of this thread is! god forbid
anyone have the slightest bit of competitive sprit. so it's a fucking contest.
big deal. anything i do i don't like to do second rate or behind others. my
guess is that you're one of those disgruntled over-pierced slackers who claims
to be anti this and anti that just because YOU think it's the cool and have no
desire to succeed in life. I have no idea who sean palmer is and i have no need
to know, but if he's out there stating that he's upset for getitng second place
then how the fuck does that affect what YOU do on a board. how does his
comptetive spirit reflect so poorly on a sport that you've probably only been a
part-of for a season or two at best?. you're all worried about soul and groove
and shit like that, but you're all pretty much a bunch of assholes in my book.
you're all so angry about overcommercialization of this sport when you've
probably got more stickers on your board that you do wax. grow up, little
bitch.

mike

Marc

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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Mike, my man!! Someone had to say it!! I especially dig the "little
bitch"!!

Besides, I saw the interview and Shaun was obviously kidding around.

Marc


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Jack Michaud

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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(in response to Shaun Palmer: got no soul)

Whether or not Shaun Palmer has soul has nothing to do with your gripe. It
sounds like you just don't know him or his deal. Fact is, he's probably been
snowboarding since before you even knew what a snowboard was... if I'm wrong let's
just say since about the very early 80's, if not late 70's. He was snowboarding's
first bad boy/glamour boy and "helped" us get the rap we got throughout the 80's and
early 90's. Whether or not this was a good thing, I don't know. But I do know this:
Shaun Palmer doesn't just represent snowboarding, Shaun Palmer -is- snowboarding,
among select others.
He helped to mobilize and empower us, as he was really the first to shove it back
in skiers faces and say "YEAH WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE BAD AND WE'RE NOT LEAVING SO YOU
BETTER F#%KIN' GET USED TO THE IDEA!" Now of course, the rest of us good guys out
there do all we can to provide the opposite image in order to get more bees with
honey, but there's no denying that Shaun Palmer did and does alot to give
snowboarding a high profile. After all, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
You've just got to understand that Palmer's schtick is to be a dick. I would expect
no less than for him to spit on any silver hanging around his neck. I'm sure he
subscribes to the whole "second place is the first looser" no fear mentality.
I saw Palmer come out of retirement (for lack of a better term, I don't know if
he really was retired, but he hadn't competed in a long time) and win the X-games
boarder cross on ESPN last year. In his interview he expressed that he couldn't
understand how he could simply "get off the couch" and win without any real training,
and that everyone else must just suck. He would be right if he weren't such an
incredible natural athlete. He also dominates in mountainbike competition, if you
didn't know.
Take Dennis Rodman for example. He's a dick and a poor sport, but he adds spice
to the game and puts fans in the seats. Shawn Palmer was our little version of
Dennis Rodman before Rodman discovered the cosmetics aisle at the drug store. The
difference being that while Palmer and Rodman drive their careers on image, Palmer
actually has formidable *talent* to back it up (also Palmer thankfully refrains from
gender-bending).
In short, to suggest that Palmer is bad for the sport of snowboarding is to
challenge forces larger than you know. Shaun Palmer is an institution. As much as
I'm sure I would dislike him in person, I will be sad when he finally hangs it up for
good.
-Jack

the Tupper's wrote:

> While watching a Boarder cross competition on t.v. I heard a comment from
> Shaun Palmer. He had just taken second place in a heat. He said something
> like I hate it when this happens, second place. I believe this is a prime
> example of what direction snowboarding is heading in with al this corporate
> pressure. People these days are getting into snowboarding because all the
> cool people are doing it or they are out there to get the girls with the

> cool new $500 board they just got. I would give anything to get 2nd place


> in a huge contest like Swatch Boardercross but big man Shaun Palmer isn't

Doug Taylor

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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Jack Michaud <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> wrote:

> He also dominates in mountainbike competition, if you
>didn't know.

Careful, Jack, not really. He did finish an amazing 2nd in the world
in downhill three seasons ago, coming out of nowhere, and as a result
scored a healthy sponsorship from Specialized. But he has been more
of an also ran than "dominant" the past two years, showing more
attitude than results. He broke his collar bone early on this season,
but did come back to finish 3rd in downhill at the Nationals, which
shows his "intestinal fortitude" to go along with the bad boy image.

No dispute, however, that he dominates and rules boardercross and
deserves all the credit and respect. As for his "kidding on the
square" about finishing 2nd, it's all a matter of setting goals. If
you are the best in the world, then second place is not your goal. If
you are a normal schmuck like most of us, then finishing a heat,
placing in a heat, or even winning a heat might be viewed as success,
even if we never see the podium.

Indeed, I read somewhere that Palmer's personal choice for his best
accomplishment was qualifying for the final moto at a SuperCross in LA
last year. Not being a regular on the circuit, "they" said he didn't
belong on the dirt with all the vets. But he gutted it out and made
the final heat. Even though he had to drop out in that heat, he felt
that qualifying was itself success, under the circumstances.

Moral: learn how to set and attain your own goals.

Doug Taylor

jesse welling

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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Jack Michaud wrote

> But I do know this: Shaun Palmer doesn't just represent snowboarding,
Shaun Palmer -is- snowboarding,

>among select others.


The way I look at it every one who snowboards -is- snowboarding, after all
every man, woman and child -is- humanity. Get my drift? Judge not, Classify
not, yet respect all(Cairo Foster; Pro Skateboarder).

Peace.

moyama

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Dec 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/4/98
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palm has been consistently beating ass in comps for a long, long time...if
he wants to spew some random crap about competition, then i say fine.

it's guys like palm, mike olson and craig kelly that have pushed riding to
where it is today...cut 'em some slack.

MikeBLAH

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Dec 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/4/98
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wow, i think the original poster of this thread has a real thing for this sean
palmer guy. "sean palmer IS snowboarding"? hey, how does this sound to you.
fuck off. enough with trying to single out people for good or bad and make
them into some kind of iconic deity. enough about "soul" and :"groove" you
terminally unhip posers. you idiots spend too much time looking at these so
called professionals of this sport for direction on how you should live your
lives and how you should act and what clothes to wear and you determine the
fate of this sport by a few people that in the bigger scope of things don't
mean shit. you're all giving way too much credit to these guys. just be
yourselves for a change and stop relying on other to dictate your lives. oh,
wwait. now i suppose to be really cool i should end my message with something
corny like "feel the stoke, man" , or "keep the vibe going, man" ...bunch of
wankers.

Jack Michaud

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Dec 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/4/98
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I think I may weep openly.
-Jack

RP Pelletier

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Dec 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/4/98
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Could be something to do with man-to-man combat and man's quest to conquer man.

The 'heart and soul of snowboarding' eh? What does that mean? Competition may
not represent what snowboarding is to you but to many others it does, at least
intermittently. The heart and soul of sledding is not ever what you think it
should be for the masses but only for yourself, always and for ever more. Kind of
like what kind of setup you prefer to ride. The heart and soul of my sledding
has nil to do with the heart and soul of your sledding.

R.

Jiba...@hotmail.com

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Dec 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/4/98
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In article <19981204100345...@ng02.aol.com>,

mike...@aol.com (MikeBLAH) wrote:
>
> wow, i think the original poster of this thread has a real thing for this sean
> palmer guy. "sean palmer IS snowboarding"? hey, how does this sound to you.
> fuck off. enough with trying to single out people for good or bad and make
> them into some kind of iconic deity. enough about "soul" and :"groove" you
> terminally unhip posers. you idiots spend too much time looking at these so
> called professionals of this sport for direction on how you should live your
> lives and how you should act and what clothes to wear and you determine the
> fate of this sport by a few people that in the bigger scope of things don't
> mean shit. you're all giving way too much credit to these guys. just be

If it weren't for the pors doing switch misty 7s and dropping 60 footers we
wouldn't be doing switch 3s and dropping 20 footers. If you don't want to
learn from people that are a lot better than you, fine. But don't tell other
people they have to feel that way too.

peace,
Justin

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mike chaney

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Dec 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/4/98
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best thing my parents ever taught me was--"Takes one to know one,
son." You seem to know this type of person your describing.
Feel the stoke, Man!

>
>wow, i think the original poster of this thread has a real thing for this sean
>palmer guy. "sean palmer IS snowboarding"? hey, how does this sound to you.
>fuck off. enough with trying to single out people for good or bad and make
>them into some kind of iconic deity. enough about "soul" and :"groove" you
>terminally unhip posers. you idiots spend too much time looking at these so
>called professionals of this sport for direction on how you should live your
>lives and how you should act and what clothes to wear and you determine the
>fate of this sport by a few people that in the bigger scope of things don't
>mean shit. you're all giving way too much credit to these guys. just be

c...@epix.net

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Dec 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/5/98
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if shaun read the original post he would either tell you to fuck off or snicker and walk away.
what do you know about soul. how many nights did you hike the local hill because the only way you
could ride it was at night after they closed? how many golf courses did you get kicked off of?
do you know who damian sanders is? how about evan feen? didnt think so....all the soul you have
was sold to you at your local shop. now go and enjoy it as i laugh at you for not having a damn
clue as to what this sport is really about....


c...@epix.net

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Dec 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/5/98
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thanks for your opinion asshole.
look me up sometime when you can figure out just what it is that you are trying to say.
also, wanker went out about the time sid died.


c...@epix.net

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Dec 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/6/98
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apparently, since you are so all knowing and all you want to do is flame everyone with opposing
viewpoints, you are trying to show how much you know and how cool you really are. well guess what,
no one here wants your acceptance or opinion and i have wasted enough time responding to your
bitter, self serving attitudes and bullshit. hate everyone you see here. i, for one, dont give a
rats ass. keep telling everyone they are wrong and you are so above it all. better yet, go start
your own "snowboarding sucks" newsgroup and you can sit around and discuss your opinions with all
the others that share your viewpoint about all the people who have made it in the sport, all the
stupid clothes and all the posers. i have had enough of you, you pathetic piece of shit.
ps...tell your mom to get a real isp...aol sucks as bad as the assholes who use it...

have a nice day :)~


MikeBLAH

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Dec 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/7/98
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wankers. the lot of you. "takes one to know one" yeah, hey STUPID GUY, do you
READ these posts and understand them before commenting on them?. i mean, really
read them and understand them? because your post is just wacky. you make no
sense. all of you guys just keep on loading up those stickers on your baords
and keep wearing the baggy clothes because that's what cool really is all
about, right?

c...@epix.net

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Dec 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/7/98
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not only was a mess created here, this person has gone so far as to e-mail
me to continue the argument.


c...@epix.net

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Dec 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/7/98
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palm is a three sport athlete, not just two.
as far as the primadonna, possibly. but he has always been arrogant and had a lot of balls.
usually enough balls to back up the arrogance.

MikeBLAH

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Dec 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/8/98
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here's yet another person who has a hangup,or er, "thing" for sean palmer and
his bunch of merry men and yet another wanker who choses to make himself look
more stupid than already is. you know what guy, get a fucking life and stop
idolizing people that mean NOTHING. you're so caught up in the bullshit glamor
of professionals that you stick them on a higher pedestal than anyone
deserves and then you have the nerve to associate these people with soemthing
that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

let me get it across to you, stupid guy. noone cares who sean palmer is or who
evan feen is or your boyfriend damian sanders. get it? the only one who cares
is you and you clearly are an idiot . so let me ask you this, is "soul" equal
to illegal nights snowboarding on golf course + professionalism - illegally
entering ski resorts, or is it some other cookie cutter formula that you choose
to use you wannabe idiot.

please tell me "what this sport is about" because you clearly have all the
answers and i can't wait to hear your response.

mike

og

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Dec 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/8/98
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Mr Blah, From your takes on this thread I've concluded that you, in
fact,
are the "wanker". Why? Because you think your opinion is right and
everyone else is wrong.
Plus, you are misquoting and taking things out of context to support
your misguided opinions.
I don't think anyone ever said the word "idolize" except you. In fact,
Mr. Blah, if YOU can't
admire someone like Shaun Palmer, a world class athlete in two pro
sports and a competent competitor
in a third then I'd suggest you are the one with the problem? Are you
jealous of his success?
Do you strive for mediocrity? Desire to be like a champion is what
motivates many people.
I do care about the stars of snowboarding and the roots of the sport.
Watching pros compete helps
me learn new things and motivates to be a better rider. I absolutely
admire people with skills
I'll never have. What's wrong with that? It's clear that you have
never won ANYTHING
in your entire life and that's sad. The thrill of competing and winning
is one of the great
intangibles of life and why sports is so popular. Let me ask you. When
you are riding with friends,
If you have any, and you make a nice move or hit, I doubt that too,
don't you challenge your loser
friends to make the same hit? Isn't THAT a form of competition and is
that wrong too? And, yes,
sneaking onto a golf course or into the local Tahoe dump (like Shawn
Palmer) is indeed the soul of
the sport.

steve

ikeBLAH wrote:
>
> here's yet another person who has a hangup,or er, "thing" for sean palmer and
> his bunch of merry men and yet another wanker who choses to make himself look

> more stupid than already is. you know what guy, get a (Expletive deleted) life and stop
> idolizing people that mean NOTHING. you're so caught up in the (another expletive deleted) glamor

Mark Cushman

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Dec 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/8/98
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> Take Dennis Rodman for example. He's a dick and a poor sport, but he
adds spice
>to the game and puts fans in the seats. Shawn Palmer was our little
version of
>Dennis Rodman before Rodman discovered the cosmetics aisle at the drug
store. The
>difference being that while Palmer and Rodman drive their careers on image,
Palmer
>actually has formidable *talent* to back it up (also Palmer thankfully
refrains from
>gender-bending).

*laughs*

That reminds me...

I have an old International Snowboarding Magazine with a full page ad in it
for Sims of Shaun Palmer dressed in a woman's one-piece bathing suit and
makeup, legs shaved, fake eyelashes, etc. and a supermodel dressed in
snowboarding pants, jacket, boots, etc. The caption was:

<model's name>, Snowboarder Shaun Palmer, fashion model

If anyone wants me to scan it in, I will post it on my website.

Shaun Palmer IS the man (ad excepted ;) Remember his signature Rocket airs?
The Cadillac tatoos? The sixteen different hairstyles (Bozo the clown,
etc.). He just did whatever the hell he felt like, and if you didn't like
it, too bad. That's soul.

-M

MikeBLAH

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Dec 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/9/98
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oh no, the gods of snowboarding have spoken., hey stupid guy, if you READ these
posts again, you will realize that I am the one who is FOR competition and FOR
challenge you moron. i like competition, i just don't associate the highs and
lows, competiton wins and losses, styles, trends and vocabulary of snowboarding
with anyone but myself. therefor the rest of your post is meaningless because
all you are doing is arguing a point that i already agree with. AGAIN. READ THE
THREADS STUPID. and to that other guy who commented on the "wanker" thing. fuck
you too you idiot. i'm sorry, but i am not caught up in what's considered cool
to say, NOR DO I CARE what you think is "in or out" you stupid poser. there
you go again following everyone else around like a little sheep, saying what
they say and doing what they do.
i've been riding burton boards since 1985.. i learned by running up and down
apple orchards and thru farmers fields and yes, on golf courses. i learned to
ride when you had to be certified before they would let you on the slopes so
by your definition does that make me loaded with soul? ooh i sure do hope so
because i really need and want to be accepted by you pack of dickheads.

Neil Gendzwill

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Dec 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/9/98
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MikeBLAH <mike...@aol.com> wrote in article <19981209092658...@ng-cb1.aol.com>...

> by your definition does that make me loaded with soul? ooh i sure do hope so
> because i really need and want to be accepted by you pack of dickheads.

I'd say so, based on the amount of effort you're putting into
posting here. If you really didn't care what we thought, you'd
go away. So go.

--
Neil Gendzwill www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/sports/muttkendo/
Gain peace of mind: wack someone over the head with a big stick
NOTE: to check my homepage or reply by e-mail, kill my dog


Troy Beck

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Dec 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/9/98
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Dude!

    Palmer's been around a long time.  You don't get to the place he is by having
no talent.   ...And I see you're not arguing that point but he's just being a rock
star.  Period.  If I was in his place, I'd be a rock star too.  Just because I
could.  Besides, he's got more balls than anyone else here I bet.

Beck
MikeBLAH wrote:

> here's yet another person who has a hangup,or er, "thing" for sean palmer and
> his bunch of merry men and yet another wanker who choses to make himself look

> more stupid than already is.  you know what guy, get a fucking life and stop
> idolizing people that mean NOTHING.  you're so caught up in the bullshit glamor


> of professionals  that you stick them on a  higher pedestal than anyone
> deserves and then you have the nerve to associate these people with soemthing
> that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
>
> let me get it across to you, stupid guy.  noone cares who sean palmer is or who
> evan feen is or your boyfriend damian sanders. get it?  the only one who cares
> is you and you clearly are an idiot . so let me ask you this, is "soul" equal
> to illegal nights snowboarding on golf course + professionalism - illegally
> entering ski resorts, or is it some other cookie cutter formula that you choose
> to use you wannabe idiot.
>
> please tell  me "what this sport is  about" because you clearly have all the
> answers and i can't wait to hear your response.
>
> mike

--
"Oh, dear dad, can you see me now
 I am myself, like you somehow..." -- EV
 


MikeBLAH

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Dec 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/10/98
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oh no. run away.....

MikeBLAH

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Dec 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/10/98
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congratulations! you win the prize for actually figuring out my intentions.
wow, you guys are easy to piss off. except i will say this: when you say "you
doubt many people actually look at pros to see how they should live their
lives..." well, that's kind of wrong because that's what got this whole topic
going and that's why i was confused; because a LOT of people in this newgroup
do actually look to these people for something er 'special". i haven't exactly
figured it out, maybe it's acceptance, maybe it's what stickers you should put
on your board, or what, i dunno. and yes, i do watch comps. and do admire their
skills. but that's as far as it goes. and no i am not doing this for attention.
that would be an easy answer or assumumption for you to take on your behalf. i
do it to state my point and if it warrants so much attention then let people
say what they want. i'm a big boy and can handle it.

MikeBLAH

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Dec 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/10/98
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fyi:
this thread started with me defending palmer for being an asshole on tv for
placing 2nd at a competition. some loser in this newsgroupstarted bitching
about how he has no soul for not being a gracious loser, er 2nd placer. i've
simply been defending his actions, but some people here decided to step it up a
notch, which i graciously accepted.

Jiba...@hotmail.com

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Dec 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/11/98
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Well now this is what you had to say today:

In article <19981210094315...@ng39.aol.com>,

Here is what you said a few days ago:

In article <19981203085436...@ng-fa2.aol.com>,


mike...@aol.com (MikeBLAH) wrote:
>
> what a little cry-baby the original "poster" of this thread is! god forbid
> anyone have the slightest bit of competitive sprit. so it's a fucking contest.
> big deal. anything i do i don't like to do second rate or behind others. my
> guess is that you're one of those disgruntled over-pierced slackers who claims
> to be anti this and anti that just because YOU think it's the cool and have
no
> desire to succeed in life. I have no idea who sean palmer is and i have no
need
> to know, but if he's out there stating that he's upset for getitng second
place
> then how the fuck does that affect what YOU do on a board. how does his
> comptetive spirit reflect so poorly on a sport that you've probably only been
a
> part-of for a season or two at best?. you're all worried about soul and
groove
> and shit like that, but you're all pretty much a bunch of assholes in my book.
> you're all so angry about overcommercialization of this sport when you've
> probably got more stickers on your board that you do wax. grow up, little
> bitch.

Well, you are right about one thing, some loser stepped it up...

MikeBLAH

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justin, i'm not quite sure whst you're getting at...

brian

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Some Guy wrote:
>
> I doubt many people actually look at pros to see how they should live
> their lives, but I don't see a problem with watching them compete and
> admiring them for having skills many people can never possess. And I
> have never heard any one use the word groove on this ng, or anywhere
> else. I'll end this post by saying Mr. BLAH here is only out to anger
> people and chose his viewpoint because it opposes other peoples and
> therefore will cause a reaction to quell his craving for attention.
People who are rude and evil always get whats coming to them. Karma
always steps in. Palmer may be good but he will probably lose more than
he wins in the future. Passion behind any sport, in my opinion is what
wins comps. He has the right to be an asshole but it will catch up with
him at some point.


Jiba...@hotmail.com

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In article <19981211094129...@ng04.aol.com>,

mike...@aol.com (MikeBLAH) wrote:
>
> justin, i'm not quite sure whst you're getting at...

I think what it comes down to is your claim that you were merely defending
Palmer, while others escalated the argument. Your response starts out by
calling the original poster a cry-baby and get nastier from there. You are
the one responsable for escalating the thread to insults. Go to
www.dejanews.com, find search for Shaun Palmer and click 'view thread'.
Follow the whole thing. I think maybe in hindsight it will surprise you how
much of a mess you created.

RP Pelletier

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I think he's getting at that fact that your boat wasn't sinking but you
thought it was, so you fired a flare, only you pointed it straight down,
blew a hole in your shit and sank your own boat when it wasn't really
sinking in the first place... just an observation. I've done that.

R.

Geofmerker

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right on, Palmer's a primadonna, like most two-sport athletes.

charles barfoot

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I remember when we used to call him mini shred and pop him on the head,
he he that was like 1985 so

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iona_...@my-dejanews.com

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So what about people like Tiger Woods or Jeff Gordon. They sure don't seem to
hip to the idea of 2nd place. Sure you would be happy to get second, but
thats because your not at their level. Nothing wrong with being competetive
and wanting to win. It has NOTHING to do with the directon of the sport, and
boarder-cross is a very cool competetion to watch. Alot better then watching
2 skiers swish around flags and cross the finish line. They need to now
start skier-cross, that would be cool. Guy, don't worry so much about
Palmer..he's just another competitor trying to win the big'n.

In article <01be1e45$9f9b89e0$2951d2cc@yoda>,
"the Tupper's" <ktup...@maine.rr.com> wrote:
> While watching a Boarder cross competition on t.v. I heard a comment
from
> Shaun Palmer. He had just taken second place in a heat. He said something
> like I hate it when this happens, second place. I believe this is a prime
> example of what direction snowboarding is heading in with al this corporate
> pressure. People these days are getting into snowboarding because all the

MikeBLAH

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i'm not too sure where all the boat metaphors come in, but i am allowed to
respond to you guys, right? i mean, you can fire all the disparaging remarks
you want and gang up on me no problem, but when certain emails are directed
specifially towards me and, to spare this newgroup the onslaught of my fiesty
rebuttles i email direct to the author then all of a sudden i'm the bad
guy?some of you guys are real little cry-babies and your double standards and
contradictory statements are getting boring. you are certainly not the kind of
people that i like to hang out with on the mountains.

Matt Elkins

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On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:45:07 -0800, iona_...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>So what about people like Tiger Woods or Jeff Gordon. They sure don't seem to
>hip to the idea of 2nd place. Sure you would be happy to get second, but
>thats because your not at their level. Nothing wrong with being competetive
>and wanting to win. It has NOTHING to do with the directon of the sport, and
>boarder-cross is a very cool competetion to watch. Alot better then watching
>2 skiers swish around flags and cross the finish line. They need to now
>start skier-cross, that would be cool. Guy, don't worry so much about

^^^^^^^^^^


>Palmer..he's just another competitor trying to win the big'n.

ESPN had it at the Winter X Games last year. I was somewhat surprised
to see that it was as much of a brutal crash-a-thon as boarder-x.
Those two-plankers were going for it and eating it BIG time!


Michael Kelly Larsen

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> >... They need to now

> >start skier-cross, that would be cool. Guy, don't worry so much about
> ^^^^^^^^^^
> >Palmer..he's just another competitor trying to win the big'n.
>
> ESPN had it at the Winter X Games last year. I was somewhat surprised
> to see that it was as much of a brutal crash-a-thon as boarder-x.
> Those two-plankers were going for it and eating it BIG time!

Skier-cross..... yikes!! Just the thought of having *poles* thrown
in the mix makes me shudder.

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Brian Mckenzie

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Please don't lump the whole group into one. You certainly can speak
your mind here. I guess things got out of hand, when they thought you
were calling the original poster an asshole or something.

Keep posting...

Later,
Brian

RP Pelletier

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MikeBLAH wrote:

> i'm not too sure where all the boat metaphors come in, but i am allowed to
> respond to you guys, right?

NO! No way man... not allowed!!!

> i mean, you can fire all the disparaging remarks
> you want and gang up on me no problem, but when certain emails are directed
> specifially towards me and, to spare this newgroup the onslaught of my fiesty

> rebuttles '

Personally, I'd rather see your feisty rebuttles... but that's just me. I'm not
too sensitive about the goings ons of a sometimes blithering NG.

> i email direct to the author then all of a sudden i'm the bad
> guy?

Yeah...so? Sometimes it's good/fun to be that bad guy... isn't it?

> some of you guys are real little cry-babies and your double standards and
> contradictory statements are getting boring. you are certainly not the kind of
> people that i like to hang out with on the mountains.

You mean some people in this NG actually ride???? NO WAY!!

Oh yeah, that was my boat thing.. you no like?

R/O,

R.

KRSTN

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Hello,

Shaun Palmer has soul and is absolutely the best extreme sporter in the world.
He is the only person who is a champion in boardercross, halppipe snowboarding,
mountainbiking, motorcross, supercross, skiing and go on and on.

Last year at the extreme sports he was only for two days in the snow. One for
qualification and one day for winning the extreme games. This year he is joining
the extreme games in Boardercross, snowmobile race, downhill mountainbike and ski
cross!!!!. The only person in the world who does 4 items.

He is one the best sponsored guys at the world, he got his own shoes line by vans,
his own wtach by swatch, he's sponsored by dainese this year and next year fox, he
probely will have a contarct with Caddillac and go so on and on.

And last but not least, he has his own factory. And Palmer snowboards makes the
best boardercross boards ( they proved it on the ISF worldcup) and the making the
lightest honeycomb board of the world. And go and find that out on the slopes.

So Shaun Palmer is a hero with soul and the best extreme sporter of the world

KRSTN
Palmer Snowboards Nederland

MikeBLAH schreef:

> i'm not too sure where all the boat metaphors come in, but i am allowed to

> respond to you guys, right? i mean, you can fire all the disparaging remarks


> you want and gang up on me no problem, but when certain emails are directed
> specifially towards me and, to spare this newgroup the onslaught of my fiesty

> rebuttles i email direct to the author then all of a sudden i'm the bad
> guy?some of you guys are real little cry-babies and your double standards and


> contradictory statements are getting boring. you are certainly not the kind of
> people that i like to hang out with on the mountains.

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