I too would be happy with 2nd place in the Swatch Boardercross. But if I
dominated the event like Palmer, I know for sure I'd be a little pissed at
getting second. Ain't nothing wrong with feeling dissappointed in
competition, as long it generates a positive performance afterwards.
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the Tupper's wrote in message <01be1e45$9f9b89e0$2951d2cc@yoda>...
> While watching a Boarder cross competition on t.v. I heard a comment from
>Shaun Palmer. He had just taken second place in a heat. He said something
>like I hate it when this happens, second place.
I saw it and took it a different way. He didn't really seem upset
about it, in fact I thought he was joking around. I think in every
sport people make these types of comments. I don't know too much about
Palmer, but from what I've read or seen (on TV), he is a competitor
and likes to win, nothing wrong with that. Now myself, with no talent,
I would be absolutely thrilled to get 2nd place :-)
Later,
Brian
the Tupper's wrote in message <01be1e45$9f9b89e0$2951d2cc@yoda>...
> While watching a Boarder cross competition on t.v. I heard a comment from
>Shaun Palmer. He had just taken second place in a heat. He said something
its all well and good to say we'd all be happy with 2nd, ... but face it, if
we were that good we'd be pissed that we came 2nd too. of course at the
moment i'd be thrilled to stomp down a 360 instead of skiddering around
afterwards. :P competition is competition and if ya didn't want to see the
guys go hardcore you wouldn't watch it anyways. :) so, its all good!
james
steve
mike
Mike, my man!! Someone had to say it!! I especially dig the "little
bitch"!!
Besides, I saw the interview and Shaun was obviously kidding around.
Marc
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Whether or not Shaun Palmer has soul has nothing to do with your gripe. It
sounds like you just don't know him or his deal. Fact is, he's probably been
snowboarding since before you even knew what a snowboard was... if I'm wrong let's
just say since about the very early 80's, if not late 70's. He was snowboarding's
first bad boy/glamour boy and "helped" us get the rap we got throughout the 80's and
early 90's. Whether or not this was a good thing, I don't know. But I do know this:
Shaun Palmer doesn't just represent snowboarding, Shaun Palmer -is- snowboarding,
among select others.
He helped to mobilize and empower us, as he was really the first to shove it back
in skiers faces and say "YEAH WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE BAD AND WE'RE NOT LEAVING SO YOU
BETTER F#%KIN' GET USED TO THE IDEA!" Now of course, the rest of us good guys out
there do all we can to provide the opposite image in order to get more bees with
honey, but there's no denying that Shaun Palmer did and does alot to give
snowboarding a high profile. After all, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
You've just got to understand that Palmer's schtick is to be a dick. I would expect
no less than for him to spit on any silver hanging around his neck. I'm sure he
subscribes to the whole "second place is the first looser" no fear mentality.
I saw Palmer come out of retirement (for lack of a better term, I don't know if
he really was retired, but he hadn't competed in a long time) and win the X-games
boarder cross on ESPN last year. In his interview he expressed that he couldn't
understand how he could simply "get off the couch" and win without any real training,
and that everyone else must just suck. He would be right if he weren't such an
incredible natural athlete. He also dominates in mountainbike competition, if you
didn't know.
Take Dennis Rodman for example. He's a dick and a poor sport, but he adds spice
to the game and puts fans in the seats. Shawn Palmer was our little version of
Dennis Rodman before Rodman discovered the cosmetics aisle at the drug store. The
difference being that while Palmer and Rodman drive their careers on image, Palmer
actually has formidable *talent* to back it up (also Palmer thankfully refrains from
gender-bending).
In short, to suggest that Palmer is bad for the sport of snowboarding is to
challenge forces larger than you know. Shaun Palmer is an institution. As much as
I'm sure I would dislike him in person, I will be sad when he finally hangs it up for
good.
-Jack
the Tupper's wrote:
> While watching a Boarder cross competition on t.v. I heard a comment from
> Shaun Palmer. He had just taken second place in a heat. He said something
> like I hate it when this happens, second place. I believe this is a prime
> example of what direction snowboarding is heading in with al this corporate
> pressure. People these days are getting into snowboarding because all the
> cool people are doing it or they are out there to get the girls with the
> cool new $500 board they just got. I would give anything to get 2nd place
> in a huge contest like Swatch Boardercross but big man Shaun Palmer isn't
> He also dominates in mountainbike competition, if you
>didn't know.
Careful, Jack, not really. He did finish an amazing 2nd in the world
in downhill three seasons ago, coming out of nowhere, and as a result
scored a healthy sponsorship from Specialized. But he has been more
of an also ran than "dominant" the past two years, showing more
attitude than results. He broke his collar bone early on this season,
but did come back to finish 3rd in downhill at the Nationals, which
shows his "intestinal fortitude" to go along with the bad boy image.
No dispute, however, that he dominates and rules boardercross and
deserves all the credit and respect. As for his "kidding on the
square" about finishing 2nd, it's all a matter of setting goals. If
you are the best in the world, then second place is not your goal. If
you are a normal schmuck like most of us, then finishing a heat,
placing in a heat, or even winning a heat might be viewed as success,
even if we never see the podium.
Indeed, I read somewhere that Palmer's personal choice for his best
accomplishment was qualifying for the final moto at a SuperCross in LA
last year. Not being a regular on the circuit, "they" said he didn't
belong on the dirt with all the vets. But he gutted it out and made
the final heat. Even though he had to drop out in that heat, he felt
that qualifying was itself success, under the circumstances.
Moral: learn how to set and attain your own goals.
Doug Taylor
>among select others.
The way I look at it every one who snowboards -is- snowboarding, after all
every man, woman and child -is- humanity. Get my drift? Judge not, Classify
not, yet respect all(Cairo Foster; Pro Skateboarder).
Peace.
it's guys like palm, mike olson and craig kelly that have pushed riding to
where it is today...cut 'em some slack.
The 'heart and soul of snowboarding' eh? What does that mean? Competition may
not represent what snowboarding is to you but to many others it does, at least
intermittently. The heart and soul of sledding is not ever what you think it
should be for the masses but only for yourself, always and for ever more. Kind of
like what kind of setup you prefer to ride. The heart and soul of my sledding
has nil to do with the heart and soul of your sledding.
R.
If it weren't for the pors doing switch misty 7s and dropping 60 footers we
wouldn't be doing switch 3s and dropping 20 footers. If you don't want to
learn from people that are a lot better than you, fine. But don't tell other
people they have to feel that way too.
peace,
Justin
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let me get it across to you, stupid guy. noone cares who sean palmer is or who
evan feen is or your boyfriend damian sanders. get it? the only one who cares
is you and you clearly are an idiot . so let me ask you this, is "soul" equal
to illegal nights snowboarding on golf course + professionalism - illegally
entering ski resorts, or is it some other cookie cutter formula that you choose
to use you wannabe idiot.
please tell me "what this sport is about" because you clearly have all the
answers and i can't wait to hear your response.
mike
steve
ikeBLAH wrote:
>
> here's yet another person who has a hangup,or er, "thing" for sean palmer and
> his bunch of merry men and yet another wanker who choses to make himself look
> more stupid than already is. you know what guy, get a (Expletive deleted) life and stop
> idolizing people that mean NOTHING. you're so caught up in the (another expletive deleted) glamor
*laughs*
That reminds me...
I have an old International Snowboarding Magazine with a full page ad in it
for Sims of Shaun Palmer dressed in a woman's one-piece bathing suit and
makeup, legs shaved, fake eyelashes, etc. and a supermodel dressed in
snowboarding pants, jacket, boots, etc. The caption was:
<model's name>, Snowboarder Shaun Palmer, fashion model
If anyone wants me to scan it in, I will post it on my website.
Shaun Palmer IS the man (ad excepted ;) Remember his signature Rocket airs?
The Cadillac tatoos? The sixteen different hairstyles (Bozo the clown,
etc.). He just did whatever the hell he felt like, and if you didn't like
it, too bad. That's soul.
-M
I'd say so, based on the amount of effort you're putting into
posting here. If you really didn't care what we thought, you'd
go away. So go.
--
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Palmer's been around a long time. You don't get to the place he is by having
no talent. ...And I see you're not arguing that point but he's just being a rock
star. Period. If I was in his place, I'd be a rock star too. Just because I
could. Besides, he's got more balls than anyone else here I bet.
Beck
MikeBLAH wrote:
> here's yet another person who has a hangup,or er, "thing" for sean palmer and
> his bunch of merry men and yet another wanker who choses to make himself look
> more stupid than already is. you know what guy, get a fucking life and stop
> idolizing people that mean NOTHING. you're so caught up in the bullshit glamor
> of professionals that you stick them on a higher pedestal than anyone
> deserves and then you have the nerve to associate these people with soemthing
> that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
>
> let me get it across to you, stupid guy. noone cares who sean palmer is or who
> evan feen is or your boyfriend damian sanders. get it? the only one who cares
> is you and you clearly are an idiot . so let me ask you this, is "soul" equal
> to illegal nights snowboarding on golf course + professionalism - illegally
> entering ski resorts, or is it some other cookie cutter formula that you choose
> to use you wannabe idiot.
>
> please tell me "what this sport is about" because you clearly have all the
> answers and i can't wait to hear your response.
>
> mike
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I am myself, like you somehow..." -- EV
In article <19981210094315...@ng39.aol.com>,
Here is what you said a few days ago:
In article <19981203085436...@ng-fa2.aol.com>,
mike...@aol.com (MikeBLAH) wrote:
>
> what a little cry-baby the original "poster" of this thread is! god forbid
> anyone have the slightest bit of competitive sprit. so it's a fucking contest.
> big deal. anything i do i don't like to do second rate or behind others. my
> guess is that you're one of those disgruntled over-pierced slackers who claims
> to be anti this and anti that just because YOU think it's the cool and have
no
> desire to succeed in life. I have no idea who sean palmer is and i have no
need
> to know, but if he's out there stating that he's upset for getitng second
place
> then how the fuck does that affect what YOU do on a board. how does his
> comptetive spirit reflect so poorly on a sport that you've probably only been
a
> part-of for a season or two at best?. you're all worried about soul and
groove
> and shit like that, but you're all pretty much a bunch of assholes in my book.
> you're all so angry about overcommercialization of this sport when you've
> probably got more stickers on your board that you do wax. grow up, little
> bitch.
Well, you are right about one thing, some loser stepped it up...
I think what it comes down to is your claim that you were merely defending
Palmer, while others escalated the argument. Your response starts out by
calling the original poster a cry-baby and get nastier from there. You are
the one responsable for escalating the thread to insults. Go to
www.dejanews.com, find search for Shaun Palmer and click 'view thread'.
Follow the whole thing. I think maybe in hindsight it will surprise you how
much of a mess you created.
R.
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In article <01be1e45$9f9b89e0$2951d2cc@yoda>,
"the Tupper's" <ktup...@maine.rr.com> wrote:
> While watching a Boarder cross competition on t.v. I heard a comment
from
> Shaun Palmer. He had just taken second place in a heat. He said something
> like I hate it when this happens, second place. I believe this is a prime
> example of what direction snowboarding is heading in with al this corporate
> pressure. People these days are getting into snowboarding because all the
>So what about people like Tiger Woods or Jeff Gordon. They sure don't seem to
>hip to the idea of 2nd place. Sure you would be happy to get second, but
>thats because your not at their level. Nothing wrong with being competetive
>and wanting to win. It has NOTHING to do with the directon of the sport, and
>boarder-cross is a very cool competetion to watch. Alot better then watching
>2 skiers swish around flags and cross the finish line. They need to now
>start skier-cross, that would be cool. Guy, don't worry so much about
^^^^^^^^^^
>Palmer..he's just another competitor trying to win the big'n.
ESPN had it at the Winter X Games last year. I was somewhat surprised
to see that it was as much of a brutal crash-a-thon as boarder-x.
Those two-plankers were going for it and eating it BIG time!
Skier-cross..... yikes!! Just the thought of having *poles* thrown
in the mix makes me shudder.
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MikeBLAH wrote:
> i'm not too sure where all the boat metaphors come in, but i am allowed to
> respond to you guys, right?
NO! No way man... not allowed!!!
> i mean, you can fire all the disparaging remarks
> you want and gang up on me no problem, but when certain emails are directed
> specifially towards me and, to spare this newgroup the onslaught of my fiesty
> rebuttles '
Personally, I'd rather see your feisty rebuttles... but that's just me. I'm not
too sensitive about the goings ons of a sometimes blithering NG.
> i email direct to the author then all of a sudden i'm the bad
> guy?
Yeah...so? Sometimes it's good/fun to be that bad guy... isn't it?
> some of you guys are real little cry-babies and your double standards and
> contradictory statements are getting boring. you are certainly not the kind of
> people that i like to hang out with on the mountains.
You mean some people in this NG actually ride???? NO WAY!!
Oh yeah, that was my boat thing.. you no like?
R/O,
R.
Shaun Palmer has soul and is absolutely the best extreme sporter in the world.
He is the only person who is a champion in boardercross, halppipe snowboarding,
mountainbiking, motorcross, supercross, skiing and go on and on.
Last year at the extreme sports he was only for two days in the snow. One for
qualification and one day for winning the extreme games. This year he is joining
the extreme games in Boardercross, snowmobile race, downhill mountainbike and ski
cross!!!!. The only person in the world who does 4 items.
He is one the best sponsored guys at the world, he got his own shoes line by vans,
his own wtach by swatch, he's sponsored by dainese this year and next year fox, he
probely will have a contarct with Caddillac and go so on and on.
And last but not least, he has his own factory. And Palmer snowboards makes the
best boardercross boards ( they proved it on the ISF worldcup) and the making the
lightest honeycomb board of the world. And go and find that out on the slopes.
So Shaun Palmer is a hero with soul and the best extreme sporter of the world
KRSTN
Palmer Snowboards Nederland
MikeBLAH schreef:
> i'm not too sure where all the boat metaphors come in, but i am allowed to
> respond to you guys, right? i mean, you can fire all the disparaging remarks
> you want and gang up on me no problem, but when certain emails are directed
> specifially towards me and, to spare this newgroup the onslaught of my fiesty
> rebuttles i email direct to the author then all of a sudden i'm the bad
> guy?some of you guys are real little cry-babies and your double standards and
> contradictory statements are getting boring. you are certainly not the kind of
> people that i like to hang out with on the mountains.
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