"Duck Stance" - Is It More Dangerous?
Kenneth R|rvik
>
> Hello:
>
> I am wondering if anyone has any difinitive information/opinions regarding
> possible increases in leg (knee) injuries resulting from a "Duck Stance"?
>
> (That's where the front AND back foot are set in opposing stance angles like
> +10/-10)
>
> Dave
I've been riding duckstance for three years, and the only time I had
problems with my knees, was when I changed my rear angle to positive...
Simply put, I think this is an area of strong personal preference.
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Dave Schutz
nobody
It probably depends very much on ones' riding style. Take me for an example.
I used to ride duckstance for like five years with very little to no
knee/ankle injuries/pain.. For some obscure reason at the beginning of
this season I decided to try riding with a +15/+9 setup. After a month
and a couple of BIG slams my right knee was hurting so much that I
couldn't even walk properly. I reasoned that because my knee hurt mainly
when the upper part of my right leg (thigh? .. something like that)
rotated clockwise (seen from up) over the angle of my ankle, a clearly
outlined area on the left side of my knee started hurting like hell. I
managed to eliminate this problem by turning my right foot clockwise so
that it pointed towards the tail - duckstance. Thus my upper leg is less
prone to rotating over the angle of my ankle.
I hope that makes any sense as my english leaves a lot to hope for.
aapi
aha...@cc.joensuu.fi
mordicus
jon-e
>
>Hello:
>
>I am wondering if anyone has any difinitive information/opinions
regarding
>possible increases in leg (knee) injuries resulting from a "Duck Stance"?
>
>(That's where the front AND back foot are set in opposing stance angles
like
>+10/-10)
>
>Dave
(the bad ones) on a snowboard have come from riders with more than a 15
degree difference between front and back bindings. That puts you in the
danger zone... incedently, you'll find very few pros (the supposed
experts) riding duckstanced - in fact, I've found most good riders have at
least +8 degrees on their back feet with a minimum of 15 degrees on the
front.
hope this helps...
Bruno Melli
: if you wanted to know, the only documented ACL and MCL knee injuries
: degree difference between front and back bindings.
You mean documented ACL injury "while riding" right ?
This guy at work tore his ACL (actually most of his knee) getting off
the chairlift. I would assume that his case is not an exception.
Only one foot in, big lever action, non releasable binding...
bruno.
Dean Pompilio
Hey guys,
I rode my new Burton Twin 154 for six days straight last week in the Salt Lake
City area. (FYI: Only Brighton, Wolf Mtn., Solitude and Snowbird allow sno-
boarding...) I just learned this season and have been riding duck-footed every
time, since this feels like the most natural (and symmetrical) stance. I think
that it's _the_ way to go for anyone who owns a Twin board since you develop
your riding equally in both directions. To make a long story short, I use a
9 degree rotation on both feet with absolutely no problems! So go for it!!!
-Dean
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FreshPat
this stance and ahve become immortal. Need I say more.
Donald Hayler
: I have a problem with my right knee ( I'm riding regular)
: and I CAN'T RIDE DUCKSTANCE coz it HURT'S LIKE HELL!!!
So don't do it. But I hope you already know that. For some it's more
comfortable, for others, it's not. Do what feels right.
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westdent
>
>I have a problem with my right knee ( I'm riding regular)
>and I CAN'T RIDE DUCKSTANCE coz it HURT'S LIKE HELL!!!
>
>I use 0 degree on the backfoot now and it's no prob for my knee.
>
>
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Joe Abbotts
On April 15, 1996, westdent wrote...
> In article <315BBA...@gih.no>, haa_...@gih.no says...
> >
> >I have a problem with my right knee ( I'm riding regular)
> >and I CAN'T RIDE DUCKSTANCE coz it HURT'S LIKE HELL!!!
> >
> >Biomechanics would also think it's more dangerous....
> >I use 0 degree on the backfoot now and it's no prob for my knee.
> >
> >
Think for a second. which was are your knees suposed to bend? when riding
duck, which way are they forsted to bend? leading leg bends as usual.
Trailing leg is in a nice twisted position. Their is a martial art form
based on the bending and breaking of joints and bones with very little
effort. The joint is put into a week position and SNAP. Your off the snow
for at lease a year and a half or perhaps for ever.
Donald Hayler
Joe Abbotts (abbo...@georgian.net) wrote:
[duck, snip]
: Think for a second. which was are your knees suposed to bend? when riding
: duck, which way are they forsted to bend? leading leg bends as usual.
: Trailing leg is in a nice twisted position. Their is a martial art form
: based on the bending and breaking of joints and bones with very little
: effort. The joint is put into a week position and SNAP. Your off the snow
: for at lease a year and a half or perhaps for ever.
That's only if you're stupid enough to try and ride in a carving position
(alpine) with a duck stance. If you realize that all you have to do is
stand sideways, it can be a lot nicer on your knees. It just depends on
how you ride, but if you use duck wrong, it can be a killer. Just stand
naturally and don't force anything. That said, it can hurt some people's
knees no matter how they stand. If it hurts, do something else.
Jeff206
If all you do is ride kickers, then duck is great...I can pull 540's out
of my ass that way...but I freeride too. Duck is schweeeet for half pipe.
Foghorn Leghorn
>If all you do is ride kickers, then duck is great...I can pull 540's out
>of my ass that way...but I freeride too. Duck is schweeeet for half pipe.
i freeride 90% of the time and i've been riding duck for 3 years. i'm
comfy with it, and that's what it all boils down to--do what feels right,
the hell with the rest. What the hell is "schweeeet"? Do you have a
hairlip?
--
-Fog
Chuong Nguyen
Foghorn Leghorn (cjk...@pop.pitt.edu) wrote:
: i freeride 90% of the time and i've been riding duck for 3 years. i'm
: comfy with it, and that's what it all boils down to--do what feels right,
: the hell with the rest. What the hell is "schweeeet"? Do you have a
: hairlip?
I dunno about the hairlip, but "schweeeet" is probably what he's "comfy
with".
=)
peace, jimbo
Jesse LeDoux
On Mon, 13 May 1996, Foghorn Leghorn wrote:
> In article <4n5e78$b...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jef...@aol.com (Jeff206) wrote:
>
> >If all you do is ride kickers, then duck is great...I can pull 540's out
> >of my ass that way...but I freeride too. Duck is schweeeet for half pipe.
>
> i freeride 90% of the time and i've been riding duck for 3 years. i'm
> comfy with it, and that's what it all boils down to--do what feels right,
> the hell with the rest. What the hell is "schweeeet"? Do you have a
> hairlip?
>
> --
> -Fog
>
>
Do you have an attitude? He wasn't making fun of anybody, he was just
stating his opinion. So were you until you decided to throw in those last
two sentences. Lay off.
Jesse.
Foghorn Leghorn
>> >If all you do is ride kickers, then duck is great...I can pull 540's out
>> >of my ass that way...but I freeride too. Duck is schweeeet for half pipe.
>>
>> i freeride 90% of the time and i've been riding duck for 3 years. i'm
>> comfy with it, and that's what it all boils down to--do what feels right,
>> the hell with the rest. What the hell is "schweeeet"? Do you have a
>> hairlip?
>Do you have an attitude? He wasn't making fun of anybody, he was just
>stating his opinion. So were you until you decided to throw in those last
>two sentences. Lay off.
Well i schupose i do have an attitude then. Are you not copping that
schame attitiude with me, you highnesch. How about you laying off too. I
can't have a little fun without upschetting the lot of you? Isch it
posschible that the whole newschgroup needsch an enema? Get thee off my
casche already thank you.
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Stephen Yiu Wah Lau
I ride duck for 3 reasons- firstly, I used to skateboard and that was
the way I rode, so it naturally transferred to snowboarding...
secondly, I do ride fakie so it's more natural for the body if you
have a duck stance... thirdly and most importantly, when I transfer
from edge to edge, I shift my weight from heel to toe and vice versa
instead of side to side if one didn't ride duck (like single ski
waterskiing...) Instead of turning my whole body perpendicular
to the fall line, I turn mainly ny head, a just a bit of my upper
body... it feels natural to me. However, if you turn you whole
upper body while using duck stance, it is a bit dangerous on your
back leg's knee and ankle...
The angles I use are- Front: 25 degrees
Rear: -10 degrees
my $0.02,
Steve
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Donald Hayler
Stephen Yiu Wah Lau (syw...@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
: The angles I use are- Front: 25 degrees
: Rear: -10 degrees
Might I just say, Jesus Christ! That's some damn extreme duck angles. I
mean, great, if you like it, but . . . damn! I ride +6/-6 and that's
enough for me. 35 degrees difference between your feet seems like an
awful lot. Good thing it works for you, but I think I'll stick to my
angles just the same.
Paul Gatling
Donald Hayler (hay...@scws34.harvard.edu) wrote:
: Stephen Yiu Wah Lau (syw...@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
: : The angles I use are- Front: 25 degrees
: : Rear: -10 degrees
: Might I just say, Jesus Christ! That's some damn extreme duck angles. I
: mean, great, if you like it, but . . . damn! I ride +6/-6 and that's
: enough for me. 35 degrees difference between your feet seems like an
: awful lot. Good thing it works for you, but I think I'll stick to my
: angles just the same.
i ride 15/-15.. it doesnt kill me.. its all what you are comfortable with
:)
paul
Susan Quon
Ditto on the 15/-15. I vary my stances a LOT, and when I know I'll be
hitting the pipe/park, 15/-15 is pretty comfortable. Let me tell ya, it
sucks in DEEP powder though.
Happy riding!
SCN User
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>If all you do is ride kickers, then duck is great...I can pull 540's out
>of my ass that way...(OUCH!)...but I freeride too. Duck is schweeeet for
half pipe >
Michael Sullivan
Donald Hayler wrote:
>
> Stephen Yiu Wah Lau (syw...@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
>
> : The angles I use are- Front: 25 degrees
> : Rear: -10 degrees
>
> Might I just say, Jesus Christ! That's some damn extreme duck angles. I
> mean, great, if you like it, but . . . damn! I ride +6/-6 and that's
> enough for me. 35 degrees difference between your feet seems like an
> awful lot. Good thing it works for you, but I think I'll stick to my
> angles just the same.
>
> -- Don
>
> -----------------http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hayler---------------------------
>
> This is a test of the .sig emergency broadcasting system. This is only a
> test. If this had been a real emergency, further instructions would follow.
I started last season with a conservative regular stance, + 15, 0
Then as the season progressed I ended up duck - +12, -12. I had no
trouble at all freeriding and carving and it helped my riding fakie.
However, this season, I intend to start riding goofy (same angles)
and starting all over. My guess is that it will take a couple weeks
(I have a season pass at a local ski area, so that translates to
about 6-7 times out)to start to get comfortable with it. My goal is
to have a pure switch-stance riding style. I think it will help me
a lot with spin tricks (both slopestyle and air.
Just my $2.00 (adjusted for inflation) worth.
MLewis5889
Many people have claimed duck will blow out your knees. I haven't seen
this study, so I can't tell you what the experts say.
I can tell you that I do ride duck stance. 24 front, -6 back. I just
screwed around until i found something that felt right. Just find what
works for your body, and style.
Keep in mind that the more duck you do go, the closer your heels are
together, and the more unstable you become on the backside edge. This can
become very important if you spin jump a lot.
ML
Lisa & Rick
Michael Sullivan <qua...@quantumweb.com> wrote:
>Then as the season progressed I ended up duck - +12, -12. I had no
>trouble at all freeriding and carving and it helped my riding fakie.
Just watch your knees.....you have a greatly increased risk for knee
injury in a duck stance.
Lisa
Paul R. Thompson
Well, I usually walk with a duck stance, so I transferred my reqular
walking angles to my board (+15/-5) and I ended up being more
comfortable than I was when I was using traditional stance angles...
Just my two cents worth...
-Paul
trevor
In article <51p31k$6...@news.whidbey.com>, hug...@whidbey.net says...
>
>Michael Sullivan <qua...@quantumweb.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Then as the season progressed I ended up duck - +12, -12. I had no
>>trouble at all freeriding and carving and it helped my riding fakie.
>
>Just watch your knees.....you have a greatly increased risk for knee
>injury in a duck stance.
>
>Lisa
>
How do you figure duck stance hurts your knees. I've ridden a duck
stance for about four years and have never had any knee problems but
before that I rode with an angled front foot and zero degree back foot
and had major knee problems. My knees hurt me all the time. But ever
since I switched to duck my knees have never hurt me. Besides duck
stance is the natural way a person stands. I think the stance that
will fuck you up the most is zero angles front and back.
trevor
Jack Michaud
Sorry to post a net.ad, but these things really improved my carving. My
friend and associate, Erik Beckman, foreman of the Sugarloaf/usa Ski and
Snowboard school, has gone into production making these custom plate
binding attachments. They are machined aluminum and are compatible with
Burton Race Plate bindings. The toe lift goes under the
toe of the front foot and the heel lift goes under the heel of the back foot.
The lifts improve comfort and stability while riding and carving. The lifts
do not provide any canting, and take the awkwardness out of flat-foot hard-
boot riding. If you don't like cants but don't want to ride flat, these are
for you. I wouldn't ride without them. I am using them in the picture of
me carving on my home page, although you can't see them. For more
information, you can email me direct and I can put you in contact with Erik
himself. Erik does not have internet access, and this is a favor to him as
a friend. Thanks.
-Jack
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Liam Briggs
> >Then as the season progressed I ended up duck - +12, -12. I had no
> >trouble at all freeriding and carving and it helped my riding fakie.
> Just watch your knees.....you have a greatly increased risk for knee
> injury in a duck stance.
> Lisa
Yes but it is relatively minute as compared to that of riding a 0, 0 or
pigeon toed,....and not really that much more than riding in an oldschool
stance(both feet angled positive, or front positve back 0). Not only that
but is about the same as an oldschool stance in terms of stress/body
mechanics for impact from large heights(i.e. your knees do not go parallel
to one another, rather they go out slightly to allo the body to sink more
rather than smakin' your knees), and a load of other stuff that to me says
oldschool and duck are actually the safest.
Ride in peace- and ride hard.
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Carleton University | the luck will follow."
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Kenneth R|rvik
I ride what feels best for me, and so should all of you.
At least that's what I think.
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michael crotty
: Just watch your knees.....you have a greatly increased risk for knee
: injury in a duck stance.
Please explain, or at least let us know that this is just opinion.
mike
Michael Sullivan
> >
> >
> >
> >>Then as the season progressed I ended up duck - +12, -12. I had no
> >>trouble at all freeriding and carving and it helped my riding fakie.
> >
> >injury in a duck stance.
> >
> >
>
> How do you figure duck stance hurts your knees. I've ridden a duck
> stance for about four years and have never had any knee problems but
> before that I rode with an angled front foot and zero degree back foot
> and had major knee problems. My knees hurt me all the time. But ever
> since I switched to duck my knees have never hurt me. Besides duck
> stance is the natural way a person stands. I think the stance that
> will fuck you up the most is zero angles front and back.
>
> trevor
I agree w/Trevor! What finally convinced me to ride duck is when I stand
normally (as if it's possible for a person like me to do anything
normal ;> ) it's duck.
I actually measured the angles and besides that, it felt great.
It was like this: I needed a bit of front foot angle to carve well
and it seemed that symetrical was reasonable since I wanted to ride
switch - so I ended up with +12, -12. After that any (minor) knee pain
I experienced went away! So, I agree that it's an individual deal but
I have a hard time accepting that it's intrinsically more dangerous.
Just my opinion FWIW.
P.S. A leaf flake flew by my window and in my peripheral vision, I
thought it was snow, and a little thrill ran up my spine!
Am I hooked?
MLewis5889
There are basically four ranges of stance, duck, zero, peigon, and forward
stance positions, you may have different names, but they are all simular.
You need to under stand how compaies mark their angles. Zero is
perpindicular from edge to edge, now you can rotate your binding either
towards the nose or tail. All degrees past zero that are towards the nose
are called positive, and all the degrees past zero that are towards the
tail are negative.
ZERO- Both feet are set to zero degree, and your foot runs stright from
edge to edge.
PEIGON- Front foot is at negative degrees( toe points towards tail ) and
back foot is positive degrees (pointing toward nose ). Hence, both feet
are pointed inward towards each other.
FORWARD, REGULAR, ETC.- Both feet are angled towards the nose. Front foot
Positive, back foot postive.
DUCK- Front foot is positive with toes pointing towards the nose, and the
back foot is negative with the toes pointing towards the tail.
ML
Stephen Yiu Wah Lau
michael crotty (mcc...@cc.utah.edu) wrote:
: Lisa & Rick (hug...@whidbey.net) wrote:
: :
: : Just watch your knees.....you have a greatly increased risk for knee
: : injury in a duck stance.
: Please explain, or at least let us know that this is just opinion.
Now, what technically is "duck stance"???? Because as I see it,
there are three stances- duck, parallel and when both feet point
inward... Even if you have positive angles on both feet, say
20 front and 10 rear, your feet are pointing out (i.e. DUCK)
10 degrees...
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University of Calgary | sometimes you get a bad smell.
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trevor
In article <51u95f$n...@news.cc.utah.edu>, mcc...@cc.utah.edu says...
>
>Lisa & Rick (hug...@whidbey.net) wrote:
>:
>: Just watch your knees.....you have a greatly increased risk for
knee
>: injury in a duck stance.
>:
>
>Please explain, or at least let us know that this is just opinion.
>
>
>--
>michael...@m.cc.utah.edu
Yeah it's just an opinion. I feel that duck stance is safer and
better for your knees than any other stance... it's the way you
naturally stand.
PS i go to the U too
Stephen Yiu Wah Lau
MLewis5889 (mlewi...@aol.com) wrote:
: ZERO- Both feet are set to zero degree, and your foot runs stright from
: edge to edge.
: PEIGON- Front foot is at negative degrees( toe points towards tail ) and
: back foot is positive degrees (pointing toward nose ). Hence, both feet
: are pointed inward towards each other.
: FORWARD, REGULAR, ETC.- Both feet are angled towards the nose. Front foot
: Positive, back foot postive.
: DUCK- Front foot is positive with toes pointing towards the nose, and the
: back foot is negative with the toes pointing towards the tail.
But, if you have both feet with positive angles and the front is less
than the rear, the comparative angle between your feet make them
"pigeon" while if you have a larger positive angle for your front
as compared to your back, the angle between your feet make them
"duck", technically... so most riders, even with "forward" stances
will have feet which angle outwards, or "duck"... This sort of
defeats the point of duck stance hurting ones knees, unless is
has to do with how "forward" stance as described above requires
more side-to-side leaning vs "duck" as described above which
requires more heel-toe leaning. To me, heel-toe leaning has
always been more natural when your feet could not be aligned
with the fall line like skiing...
Dave Schutz
In article <51ru1o$f...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, lbr...@chat.carleton.ca
>
>
>
>> >Then as the season progressed I ended up duck - +12, -12. I had no
>> >trouble at all freeriding and carving and it helped my riding fakie.
>
>> injury in a duck stance.
>
>
>Yes but it is relatively minute as compared to that of riding a 0, 0 or
>pigeon toed,....and not really that much more than riding in an oldschool
>stance(both feet angled positive, or front positve back 0). Not only that
>but is about the same as an oldschool stance in terms of stress/body
>mechanics for impact from large heights(i.e. your knees do not go parallel
>to one another, rather they go out slightly to allo the body to sink more
>rather than smakin' your knees), and a load of other stuff that to me says
>oldschool and duck are actually the safest.
Hi:
There has been repeated discussion on the net during the past year that the
"potential" for knee injuries increases when the "Difference" in stance
angles between front and back EXCEEDS 20 degrees. For example +10/-10 is a
total "difference" of 20 degrees.. right on the edge of this window.
Just my $.02
Dave
Marcus Hayden Langman
In article <5213mb$n...@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> syw...@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca (Stephen Yiu Wah Lau) writes:
>From: syw...@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca (Stephen Yiu Wah Lau)
>Subject: Re: "Duck Stance" - Is It More Dangerous?
>michael crotty (mcc...@cc.utah.edu) wrote:
>: Lisa & Rick (hug...@whidbey.net) wrote:
>: :
>: : Just watch your knees.....you have a greatly increased risk for knee
>: : injury in a duck stance.
>: :
>: Please explain, or at least let us know that this is just opinion.
>Now, what technically is "duck stance"???? Because as I see it,
>there are three stances- duck, parallel and when both feet point
>inward... Even if you have positive angles on both feet, say
>20 front and 10 rear, your feet are pointing out (i.e. DUCK)
>10 degrees...
Duck specifically follows the idea that you have the back foot toe pointing
backwards. The idea of duckstance is that you have comparatively equal stance
riding normal and switch.
Cheers,
Marcus.
JMTelfer
>The idea of duckstance is that you have comparatively equal stance
>riding normal and switch.
To most maybe. For myself I could never get my back foot angled
comfortably. I finally tried my natural surfing stance, around 25 front,
-5 back, and found it far more comfortable and natural for surf-style
carving (as opposed to forward facing, gate-bashing carving). I only
really ride fakie coming out of spins.
-j
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Fill
Here are my two bits:
I think the argument that riding duck is bad for your knees is best
explained by the fact that your body is usually twisted slightly to
face the direction you're travelling. In this position, the back knee
gets twisted a bit. Sure when you're just standing normally, a duck
stance is most comfortable, but when you're riding a snowboard, you
should not be "just standing normally". Of course if you ride switch
a lot, then a duck stance is probably a good option.
Of course it all comes down to what's the most comfortable for each
individual - everyone's got different knees/feet and riding style.
Personally I go for 0 to +3 degrees on the back foot and 12 to 15
degrees on the front.
-Fill
Anthony
I agree, that's been a question I wondered about also. If you look at
the riders who ride switch a lot, you'll see the dont right duck feet.
I included a little spread sheet I did out of my own curiosity and
boredom. Some data had to be manipulated, ie. two boards listed and one
is a big mountain board like 175+. Take a look at stances and lean
angles. Data came from Transworld's buyers guide, K2's catalog, and a
couple othe mags. The only categories I included were: Freestyle,
Freeride, Freestyle/Freeride, Half-Pipe, and a general all mountain.
Hope it helps
my 2 cents
Ant
John Webster
Fill wrote:
>
> Here are my two bits:
>
> I think the argument that riding duck is bad for your knees is best
> explained by the fact that your body is usually twisted slightly to
> face the direction you're travelling. In this position, the back knee
> gets twisted a bit. Sure when you're just standing normally, a duck
> stance is most comfortable, but when you're riding a snowboard, you
> should not be "just standing normally". Of course if you ride switch
> a lot, then a duck stance is probably a good option.
I think this is a good and accurate description.
>
> Of course it all comes down to what's the most comfortable for each
> individual - everyone's got different knees/feet and riding style.
> Personally I go for 0 to +3 degrees on the back foot and 12 to 15
> degrees on the front.
>
> -Fill
Yeah, I guess everyone goes thru the stance angle gyrations when they
start out and then settle on one or a couple that are most comfy. You
see all kinds. I posted once in haste about not going duck cuz you'll
never carve in yer life, which is not entirely true. Some people can
carve easier duck. I think most people would find it easier to carve, at
least to learn to carve, with their feet angle positive a little, at
least. Correct me if I'm wrong. I ride also 15 degrees front and a
little more back, ranging from 3 to 9, depending on what I'm doing more,
park or freeride. Ride 21" wide, 1 inch back, at 5'9" tall.
My 200 cents.
Can't wait to ride,
--John W.
jo...@cpg.com
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OG
There was an interview in "Fresh and Tasty" with Michelle Taggart
and she stated that few if any of the top pros ride duck anymore because
of the increased risk of knee injury. She mentioned the names of
several top riders who were hurt and others who have changed to
conventional stance. She said the perceived advantage for tricks was
not worth the risk...
Good enough for me since Michelle is the best..
steve