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glenns...@my-deja.com

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Oct 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/4/99
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Does anyone know when this is coming out on video?

I know there is screenings for the film, but I would like my own VHS
copy.

If it is anything like the first film, I can't wait to see it!


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Etnies45

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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I saw it for sale in Eternal Snowboards catalog

DUBRULES

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its for sale at www.skatensnow.com

slinkster

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Oct 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/7/99
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In article <7tbc9h$qch$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <glenns...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know when this is coming out on video?
>
>I know there is screenings for the film, but I would like my own VHS
>copy.
>
>If it is anything like the first film, I can't wait to see it!

No idea when it's coming out on video, but I saw it on Saturday and it's
pretty damn good. Except Terje mumbles badly when he talks, so he's kind
of hard to understand.

--mark
--
. . . . .

mark bock
ta...@clark.net

Jack Michaud

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Oct 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/7/99
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slinkster wrote:

>
> No idea when it's coming out on video, but I saw it on Saturday and it's
> pretty damn good. Except Terje mumbles badly when he talks, so he's kind
> of hard to understand.

Tell me, is it all just gratuitous air, spins, chute straightlining and cliff
drops, or are there nice sustained long-take shots of smooth powder riding?
That's what really makes me jones. Like the tree scenes in Japan with CK and
Shannon Melhuse back in Scream of Consciousness, vintage '92.
-Jack


Neal Champion

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Oct 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/7/99
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Jack Michaud <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> did tap out :

>Tell me, is it all just gratuitous air, spins, chute straightlining and cliff
>drops, or are there nice sustained long-take shots of smooth powder riding?
>That's what really makes me jones. Like the tree scenes in Japan with CK and
>Shannon Melhuse back in Scream of Consciousness, vintage '92.

yes, yes, YES! Still my fave video - guess I must be an
old-schooler....

Champ
--
Kawasaki ZX9RC2, H1B (in bits), Marin Rocky Ridge, Burton Custom 60 & SuperModel 74, Jackson Soloist
...but surely I'm more than a list of consumer durables!
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Jack Michaud

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Oct 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/8/99
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Neal Champion wrote:

> Jack Michaud <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> did tap out :
>
> >Tell me, is it all just gratuitous air, spins, chute straightlining and cliff
> >drops, or are there nice sustained long-take shots of smooth powder riding?
> >That's what really makes me jones. Like the tree scenes in Japan with CK and
> >Shannon Melhuse back in Scream of Consciousness, vintage '92.
>
> yes, yes, YES! Still my fave video - guess I must be an
> old-schooler....
>

Jeez, you mean nobody's made anything better since? Agreed, an excellent flick.

>
> Champ
> --
> Kawasaki ZX9RC2, H1B (in bits), Marin Rocky Ridge, Burton Custom 60 & SuperModel 74, Jackson Soloist
> ...but surely I'm more than a list of consumer durables!
> Vanity Publishing at www.nchamp.demon.co.uk BOF#2 (ass.)

-Jack
Honda NT650GT Hawk, Cannondale M800, Prior 175 WCR, Burton Custom 64


Iain Duncumb

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Oct 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/8/99
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Jack Michaud wrote:

> Neal Champion wrote:
>
> > Jack Michaud <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> did tap out :
> >
> > >That's what really makes me jones. Like the tree scenes in Japan with CK and
> > >Shannon Melhuse back in Scream of Consciousness, vintage '92.
> >
> > yes, yes, YES! Still my fave video - guess I must be an
> > old-schooler....
> >
>
> Jeez, you mean nobody's made anything better since? Agreed, an excellent flick.

Makes you jones? What the hell is that?
Mmmm. Last time I posted under the influence, Jack nailed me but gotta
say my fave freeride vid of all time is Exposed: Tex, Klassen, and that
guy who put himself into a coma... And the best bit? 3 mins of CK at
then end. If anyone can suggest a better one I'll buy it. And that's all
I've got to say...
/Iain

Howden

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Oct 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/9/99
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Iain Duncumb wrote in message <37FE66DF...@DELETE.THIS.lboro.ac.uk>...

.....


> and that
>guy who put himself into a coma...

Are you talking about Nick Perrata (or however ye spell it)?
I must say this though, I have not seen Exposed, so you might be talking
about another coma incident, but I remember (who can forget!) the footage of
Nick throwing himself head first into some huge rocks at about 40 mph in
"Critical Condition". He got a nice coma out of that one.....

Same thing?

_

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Oct 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/9/99
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Hmm. Anyone know if you can get this stuff on DVD? I don't have a tv but I
do have a pc with a DVD drive...

Phil

Iain Duncumb

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Oct 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/9/99
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I was thinking of Myles Burgett who is a fearless 18 year old in the
film. You don't see him crash but I'm pretty certain that I read he was
on a life support system due to a snowboarding injury. Tried to confirm
that just now with a web search but couldn't find anything...
/Iain

Neal Champion

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Oct 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/9/99
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Jack Michaud <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> did tap out :

>>
>> Champ


>> Kawasaki ZX9RC2, H1B (in bits), Marin Rocky Ridge, Burton Custom 60 & SuperModel 74, Jackson Soloist
>

>-Jack
>Honda NT650GT Hawk, Cannondale M800, Prior 175 WCR, Burton Custom 64

Another example of the motorcycling/snowboarding connection. Of the
boarders I know, *so* many ride/have ridden bikes.

Neal Champion

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Iain Duncumb <I.P.D...@DELETE.THIS.lboro.ac.uk> did tap out :

>Jack Michaud wrote:
>
>> Neal Champion wrote:
>>

>> > Jack Michaud <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> did tap out :
>> >

>> > >That's what really makes me jones. Like the tree scenes in Japan with CK and
>> > >Shannon Melhuse back in Scream of Consciousness, vintage '92.
>> >
>> > yes, yes, YES! Still my fave video - guess I must be an
>> > old-schooler....
>> >
>>
>> Jeez, you mean nobody's made anything better since? Agreed, an excellent flick.
>
>Makes you jones? What the hell is that?

Iain, if you're gonna post to a US dominated newsgroup, you're gonna
have to keep up with the lingo. I asked the same question about 2/3
years ago - IIRC, 'Jones' means to yearn for something, as in

'I'm really jonesing for some fresh powder'

No dount a native american speaker[1] will be along to correct me
shortly

[1] I mean, some one who speaks american-english as a native, not
someone who speaks a native-american language.....hell, you know what
I mean.....

dmac

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Oct 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/9/99
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<neal.c...@bigfoot.com> writes
>>>
>>> Champ

>>> Kawasaki ZX9RC2, H1B (in bits), Marin Rocky Ridge, Burton Custom 60 &
>SuperModel 74, Jackson Soloist
>>
>>-Jack
>>Honda NT650GT Hawk, Cannondale M800, Prior 175 WCR, Burton Custom 64
>
>Another example of the motorcycling/snowboarding connection. Of the
>boarders I know, *so* many ride/have ridden bikes.
>

You think you're sooooo clever

Dmac :)

Kawasaki GPZ900R (deceased), Trek 7000, Forum 159 directional

Haavard N. Jakobsen

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99
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Howden <_@_.com> wrote in message
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>
> Iain Duncumb wrote in message
<37FE66DF...@DELETE.THIS.lboro.ac.uk>...
>
> .....
> > and that
> >guy who put himself into a coma...
>
> Are you talking about Nick Perrata (or however ye spell it)?
> I must say this though, I have not seen Exposed, so you might be talking
> about another coma incident, but I remember (who can forget!) the footage
of
> Nick throwing himself head first into some huge rocks at about 40 mph in
> "Critical Condition". He got a nice coma out of that one.....
>
> Same thing?
>
Remeber seein Critical condition once. Love the part where someone is
going balistic between some trees, then he disapears for a while and
suddely you see a tree that shake off snow. :-)

-H

Dave Roberts

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99
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Neal Champion wrote:
>
> Another example of the motorcycling/snowboarding connection. Of the
> boarders I know, *so* many ride/have ridden bikes.

Yeah, but why???? Mountain biking & snowboarding I can understand, but
I don't get the motorbiking connection....

- Dave.
--
Shall I / Shan't I ????
One of these, one of those, and one of the other. :-)

Howden

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99
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Haavard N. Jakobsen wrote in message
<3FhM3.3451$nU4....@news1.online.no>...

>Remeber seein Critical condition once. Love the part where someone is
>going balistic between some trees, then he disapears for a while and
>suddely you see a tree that shake off snow. :-)
>
>-H


Was that not Dave Seoane.....he who did the filming of "The Haakonsen
Factor"? Anyway, classic line from Dave (?) after slamming that tree.....
"I zigged when I should of zagged".

Jack Michaud

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Dave Roberts wrote:

> Neal Champion wrote:
> >
> > Another example of the motorcycling/snowboarding connection. Of the
> > boarders I know, *so* many ride/have ridden bikes.
>
> Yeah, but why???? Mountain biking & snowboarding I can understand, but
> I don't get the motorbiking connection....
>

A motorcycling/snowboarding friend of mine used to tell me how much the two
sports are similar, and before I got on a motorcycle I thought it was silly
of him to suggest such a rediculous similarity. Now that I have a bike, I
realize that they are sooooo much alike. The similarities are mostly
shared between motorcycling and carving, where the skills one needs to
master in both sports are knowing your correct lean angle, proper body
position, proper speed, knowing the right line, and judgement of
surface/riding conditions. The sensation of screwing around a corner on a
motorcycle gives me the exact same rush as making clean fast carves on a
snowboard. The physics of each sport and the techniques used to harness it
are the same. Forget about wakeboarding, motorcycling _is_ the summer
substitute. The only downside is the stakes are far higher on a bike.
-Jack
(Prior WCR175, Honda NT650GT Hawk)


Iain Duncumb

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99
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Jack Michaud wrote:

> are the same. Forget about wakeboarding, motorcycling _is_ the summer
> substitute. The only downside is the stakes are far higher on a bike.

Turning that the other way round, one things I've noticed when riding
with bikers (not mentioning any names ;-) is their lack of fear of
falling: they show very little concern about leaping off things into the
unknown. But then if you've experienced - or at least come to terms with
the concept of - coming off a bike onto tarmac at high speed, dodging
oncoming trucks and lamposts, falling on snow would seem kind of tame.
/Iain

Neal Champion

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Dave Roberts <dave.r...@DELETE.THIS.saaconsultants.com> did tap out
:

>Neal Champion wrote:
>>
>> Another example of the motorcycling/snowboarding connection. Of the
>> boarders I know, *so* many ride/have ridden bikes.
>
>Yeah, but why???? Mountain biking & snowboarding I can understand, but
>I don't get the motorbiking connection....

Cos both are a huge buzz? I guess they both give that sensation of
pulling Gs and leaning into a turn.


Champ
--

Kawasaki ZX9RC2, H1B (in bits), Marin Rocky Ridge, Burton Custom 60 & SuperModel 74, Jackson Soloist

...but surely I'm more than a list of consumer durables!

Vanity Publishing at www.champ.org.uk BOF#2 (ass.)

Neal Champion

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Jack Michaud <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> did tap out :

>
>
>Dave Roberts wrote:
>
>> Neal Champion wrote:
>> >
>> > Another example of the motorcycling/snowboarding connection. Of the
>> > boarders I know, *so* many ride/have ridden bikes.
>>
>> Yeah, but why???? Mountain biking & snowboarding I can understand, but
>> I don't get the motorbiking connection....
>>
>

>A motorcycling/snowboarding friend of mine used to tell me how much the two
>sports are similar, and before I got on a motorcycle I thought it was silly
>of him to suggest such a rediculous similarity. Now that I have a bike, I
>realize that they are sooooo much alike. The similarities are mostly
>shared between motorcycling and carving, where the skills one needs to
>master in both sports are knowing your correct lean angle, proper body
>position, proper speed, knowing the right line, and judgement of
>surface/riding conditions. The sensation of screwing around a corner on a
>motorcycle gives me the exact same rush as making clean fast carves on a
>snowboard. The physics of each sport and the techniques used to harness it

>are the same. Forget about wakeboarding, motorcycling _is_ the summer
>substitute. The only downside is the stakes are far higher on a bike.

>-Jack
>(Prior WCR175, Honda NT650GT Hawk)

Bang on, and said far better than I could :-)

Neal Champion

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Iain Duncumb <I.P.D...@DELETE.THIS.lboro.ac.uk> did tap out :

>Jack Michaud wrote:
>
>> are the same. Forget about wakeboarding, motorcycling _is_ the summer
>> substitute. The only downside is the stakes are far higher on a bike.
>

>Turning that the other way round, one things I've noticed when riding
>with bikers (not mentioning any names ;-) is their lack of fear of
>falling: they show very little concern about leaping off things into the
>unknown. But then if you've experienced - or at least come to terms with
>the concept of - coming off a bike onto tarmac at high speed, dodging
>oncoming trucks and lamposts, falling on snow would seem kind of tame.

hey, you talking about me? I always thought I was a bit of a wuss in
the hucking stakes - thanks for the ego boost.[1]

[1] or were you refering to Dave Roberts...

Jibaholic

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99
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In article <37FDF64F...@trask-decrow.com>, Jack Michaud
<jmic...@trask-decrow.com> wrote:

> Neal Champion wrote:
> > Jack Michaud <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> did tap out :
> >
> > >Tell me, is it all just gratuitous air, spins, chute
> straightlining and cliff
> > >drops, or are there nice sustained long-take shots of smooth
> powder riding?
> > >That's what really makes me jones. Like the tree scenes in
> Japan with CK and
> > >Shannon Melhuse back in Scream of Consciousness, vintage '92.
> >
> > yes, yes, YES! Still my fave video - guess I must be an
> > old-schooler....
> >
> Jeez, you mean nobody's made anything better since? Agreed, an
> excellent flick.

I like TB5. nothing buy gratutious airs. Oh and the one sick line:
3000 vertical feet, 55 degrees, 50 seconds.

I could care less watching a pro on handrails. If I want to see
handrails I will watch skateboarders.


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Patrick Emerick

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Jibaholic wrote:

> In article <37FDF64F...@trask-decrow.com>, Jack Michaud
> <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> wrote:
> > Neal Champion wrote:
> > > Jack Michaud <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> did tap out :
> > >
> > > >Tell me, is it all just gratuitous air, spins, chute
> > straightlining and cliff
> > > >drops, or are there nice sustained long-take shots of smooth
> > powder riding?
> > > >That's what really makes me jones. Like the tree scenes in
> > Japan with CK and
> > > >Shannon Melhuse back in Scream of Consciousness, vintage '92.
> > >
> > > yes, yes, YES! Still my fave video - guess I must be an
> > > old-schooler....
> > >
> > Jeez, you mean nobody's made anything better since? Agreed, an
> > excellent flick.
>
> I like TB5. nothing buy gratutious airs. Oh and the one sick line:
> 3000 vertical feet, 55 degrees, 50 seconds.
>
> I could care less watching a pro on handrails. If I want to see
> handrails I will watch skateboarders.
>

I was watching a skate vid last night at a local pizza joint. Watching the
railslides, I was once again reminded that skaters are way more core than
snowboarders, surfers, whatever. The consequences of hurling your bulk off a
couple flights of stairs to a slick rail without water, pow, or a sculpted
tranny to land on are just plain heavy. Pre-flame disclaimer: I surf and still
skate a bit in addition to riding.

P.


Haavard N. Jakobsen

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Jibaholic <Jibaholi...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:09920fb9...@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com...

> I could care less watching a pro on handrails. If I want to see
> handrails I will watch skateboarders.
>

And it's much more fun to watch skateboarders crash and
burn on handrails too

-H

Haavard N. Jakobsen

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99
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Patrick Emerick <pem...@connectnet.com> wrote in message
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>

> I was watching a skate vid last night at a local pizza joint. Watching the
> railslides, I was once again reminded that skaters are way more core than
> snowboarders, surfers, whatever. The consequences of hurling your bulk off
a
> couple flights of stairs to a slick rail without water, pow, or a sculpted
> tranny to land on are just plain heavy. Pre-flame disclaimer: I surf and
still
> skate a bit in addition to riding.
>

I do think a 360 off 50 foot drop or riding triple overhead waves are
pretty core too... The possibilities of painful impacts are pretty heavy
in those cases too.

-H

Dave Roberts

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99
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Jack Michaud <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> did tap out :
>
> >shared between motorcycling and carving, where the skills one needs to
> >master in both sports are knowing your correct lean angle, proper body
> >position, proper speed, knowing the right line, and judgement of
> >surface/riding conditions. The sensation of screwing around a corner on a
> >motorcycle gives me the exact same rush as making clean fast carves on a

Well this is pretty much what I meant... in your case Jack, there's the
obvious connection between your carving on the board. But for myself,
and probably Neal, who are more free ride orientated, the connection is
more subtle (and hard to grasp).

On the motorbike, for me it's about cornering with high lean angles, on
the edge of the tyres. But on a board, although I enjoy carving a
little bit, that's not why I do it - I like being able to churn up
powder and jump off stuff. Having taken up mountain biking this summer,
I see more similarities with that, for the freeriding/freestyle side of
boarding (as my recent injuries prove :-)

> >The only downside is the stakes are far higher on a bike.

For sure.... and I'm not sure that the reward is increased inline with
those higher stakes.

- Dave.

Haavard N. Jakobsen

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99
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Adrenalin. Do you need more connection then that?

-H

Patrick Emerick

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99
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Totally agree. It's just that 50 foot drops and triple overhead waves are not
part of the regular regimen for most of us. (At least not me) For most decent
skaters though, handrails, stairs and other unforgiving terrain are everywhere
and a staple of riding.

P.

Haavard N. Jakobsen

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Oct 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/13/99
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Patrick Emerick <pem...@connectnet.com> wrote in message
news:3802FE63...@connectnet.com...

> Totally agree. It's just that 50 foot drops and triple overhead waves are
not
> part of the regular regimen for most of us. (At least not me) For most
decent
> skaters though, handrails, stairs and other unforgiving terrain are
everywhere
> and a staple of riding.
>
Well, in the skatemovies I would like to think that I see the best of the
best,
like in surf of snowboard movies. I don't skate, so I don't really know much
about it. I have friend who skate and most of them are not really impressive
except for a few. I do think the adrenalin kick from surfing overhead or
bigger
waves or dropping a 15 foot cliff is heavier. That said, I do admire the
techical skating. Kickflips of a stairway is crazy.

-H

=BLADERUNNERS=

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Oct 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/13/99
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Truth is I fell from both snowboards and bikes. Both is fun, only the
damage to the bike is a bit of a shame.
My advice: allways use bikes from the dealer (when crashing!). It's the
fun of the short turning, pulling tricks and speed that attracts me in
both sports. Wheeliing a snowboard is a bit hard but I'm working on it !

Iwan


http://come.to/bladerunners The Honda CBR900RR Fireblade page
10.0000 clicks already!


Iain Duncumb <I.P.D...@DELETE.THIS.lboro.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Jack Michaud wrote:
>
> > are the same. Forget about wakeboarding, motorcycling _is_ the
summer

> > substitute. The only downside is the stakes are far higher on a
bike.
>


> Turning that the other way round, one things I've noticed when riding
> with bikers (not mentioning any names ;-) is their lack of fear of
> falling: they show very little concern about leaping off things into
the
> unknown. But then if you've experienced - or at least come to terms
with
> the concept of - coming off a bike onto tarmac at high speed, dodging
> oncoming trucks and lamposts, falling on snow would seem kind of tame.

> /Iain

gka...@earthlink.net

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Oct 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/15/99
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On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:30:33 +0100, Dave Roberts
<dave.r...@DELETE.THIS.saaconsultants.com> wrote:

Consider this:

Snowboard Freestyle = Motocross/dirt biking

Snoboard Race = Street motorcycling

Then the similarities are much closer, no?

Gen


>Jack Michaud <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> did tap out :
>>
>> >shared between motorcycling and carving, where the skills one needs to
>> >master in both sports are knowing your correct lean angle, proper body
>> >position, proper speed, knowing the right line, and judgement of
>> >surface/riding conditions. The sensation of screwing around a corner on a
>> >motorcycle gives me the exact same rush as making clean fast carves on a
>
>Well this is pretty much what I meant... in your case Jack, there's the
>obvious connection between your carving on the board. But for myself,
>and probably Neal, who are more free ride orientated, the connection is
>more subtle (and hard to grasp).
>
>On the motorbike, for me it's about cornering with high lean angles, on
>the edge of the tyres. But on a board, although I enjoy carving a
>little bit, that's not why I do it - I like being able to churn up
>powder and jump off stuff. Having taken up mountain biking this summer,
>I see more similarities with that, for the freeriding/freestyle side of
>boarding (as my recent injuries prove :-)
>

>> >The only downside is the stakes are far higher on a bike.
>

gka...@earthlink.net

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Oct 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/15/99
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On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:40:45 -0400, Jack Michaud
<jmic...@trask-decrow.com> wrote:

>
>
>Dave Roberts wrote:
>
>> Neal Champion wrote:
>> >
>> > Another example of the motorcycling/snowboarding connection. Of the
>> > boarders I know, *so* many ride/have ridden bikes.
>>
>> Yeah, but why???? Mountain biking & snowboarding I can understand, but
>> I don't get the motorbiking connection....
>>
>
>A motorcycling/snowboarding friend of mine used to tell me how much the two
>sports are similar, and before I got on a motorcycle I thought it was silly
>of him to suggest such a rediculous similarity. Now that I have a bike, I
>realize that they are sooooo much alike. The similarities are mostly

>shared between motorcycling and carving, where the skills one needs to
>master in both sports are knowing your correct lean angle, proper body
>position, proper speed, knowing the right line, and judgement of
>surface/riding conditions. The sensation of screwing around a corner on a
>motorcycle gives me the exact same rush as making clean fast carves on a

>snowboard. The physics of each sport and the techniques used to harness it

>are the same. Forget about wakeboarding, motorcycling _is_ the summer

>substitute. The only downside is the stakes are far higher on a bike.
>-Jack
>(Prior WCR175, Honda NT650GT Hawk)
>


"Aha grasshoppah...learning a thing or two I see." ;)

If I'm not mistaken, I may be the corrupting influence on Jack.

Now that winter is upon us, (for those of us in NA at least), our
thoughts turn to snow. Yet if one lives in the belly of the beast of
Los Angeles, one can ride year round- on the motorcycle at least.

Motorcycling and snowboarding have a lot in common. Those of us
who've known both know that commonality innately. For those of you
who don't, you're missing out!

Gen


Honda Nighthawk S (gone)
Honda Hawk GT (gone)
Yamaha TDM850 (gone)
yikes...I'm bikeless!


Neal Champion

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>On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:30:33 +0100, Dave Roberts
><dave.r...@DELETE.THIS.saaconsultants.com> wrote:
>
>Consider this:
>
>Snowboard Freestyle = Motocross/dirt biking
>
>Snoboard Race = Street motorcycling
>
>Then the similarities are much closer, no?

True. But I ride a street motorcycle, mountain-bike, and my snowboard
is freeride orientated

Dave Roberts

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Neal Champion wrote:
>
> True. But I ride a street motorcycle, mountain-bike, and my snowboard
> is freeride orientated

BING! And this was my ultimate point. Your comments about there being
lots of bikers who board, and boarders who bike, doesn't (quite) make
sense with me. Given that there are more freeriders/freestylers than
alpine, it's suprising how many of us do actually go for the high speed
cornering grin factor.

- Dave.

Dave Roberts

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gka...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Gen
>
> Honda Nighthawk S (gone)
> Honda Hawk GT (gone)
> Yamaha TDM850 (gone)
> yikes...I'm bikeless!

Ah, now I see the problem.... not only are you bikeless, but you
actually need a super sports bike. Get that knee on the tarmac. :-)

- Dave.

Pål Ottar Standal

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> >> >
> >> > Another example of the motorcycling/snowboarding connection. Of the
> >> > boarders I know, *so* many ride/have ridden bikes.
> >>
> >> Yeah, but why???? Mountain biking & snowboarding I can understand, but
> >> I don't get the motorbiking connection....
> >>

Just my $0.02 on the MTB-snowboard issue, I race MTB, both downhill and dual
slalom, I`d say it`s the closest to the snowboard feeling you can do in the
summer, disregarding wakeboarding. Jumping, tricks, speed, it`s all
there,think thats why about 90% of the riders also ride snowboards. Add
dirtjumping, and you got mountainbiking & BMX`s answer to the
snowboardparks. And we don`t have that shitty crosscountry rider attitude...
:-)

Pål Ottar

BTW, crashing at 50km/h, you WISH you were on snow! :-)

Jibaholic

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In article <NKIN3.3624$7G2....@news1.online.no>, "Pål Ottar Standal"

I have crashed at 30 mph on my mtb plenty of times. no biggie. The one
that freaked my out most was where I endo'd and couldn't get out of my
pedals and smacked my face into the ground. I didn't lose any teeth but
by mounth was bloody and my face scratched up.

But anyways I kind of feel the same way about downhill MTB the same way
I do about alpine snowboarding: a worth discipline, but there isn't a
large enough talent pool to make the competitions very interesting.

The one common theme through the thread is that whichever summer sport
one does, it is the best for snowboarding. I do xc mtb and gymnastics.
I doubt the xc helps that much, but the gymnastics is great for
snowboarding, in all possible ways - not just freestyle. I was working
on standing back flips last night and the instructor made the point
that the jump is overrated. What you want to focus on is bringing your
feet to your hands (which are over your head) as quick as possible. So
now when I do the ab exersize in which you hang from a bar and bring
your feet up to the bar I try to do them as fast as possible, as if I
were flipping. It is just insane how much gymnasts know about
controlling core muscle groups to power your body through a motion. I
wish I started when I was 2.

Justin

Pål Ottar Standal

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Jibaholic <jibaholi...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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Nope, still not enough people riding downhill, but the number is increasing.
Still, dual slaloms is gonna be big... And hey, its still not as mainstream
as snowboarding has become! :-)

As to crashing, what kind of trails you ride is what matters. Somewhere its
just impossible to get hurt, other places should have a 24-hour medic
service...

Anyway, snow`s coming, can`t wait to get on my board!

Pål Ottar

Jibaholic

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In article <WKKN3.3702$7G2....@news1.online.no>, "Pål Ottar Standal"

<pot...@online.no> wrote:
> Jibaholic <jibaholi...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:11f733ec...@usw-ex0102-013.remarq.com...
> >
> >
> Nope, still not enough people riding downhill, but the number is
> increasing.
> Still, dual slaloms is gonna be big... And hey, its still not as
> mainstream
> as snowboarding has become! :-)

I like the fact that snowboarding is mainstream. The only part about
it that I don't like is that riders seem to have lost a little swagger
and become typical tourists.

> As to crashing, what kind of trails you ride is what matters.
> Somewhere its
> just impossible to get hurt, other places should have a 24-hour
> medic
> service...

That is a good point. One of my favorite rides has some really sweet
downhill, really choppy with lots of banked turns. But next to the
singletrack is a steep gully with trees growin out of it. I think that
endoing and dropping 10 feet and then smacking a tree at high speed
would be a probable death sentance. The ones I air it out on are on the
downhills cut through meadows. Fall off of your bike and you get lots
of thick weeds to slow you down and break your fall. Plus I wear
elbow/forearm and knee pads, which most xc riders don't do.

Isabelle Banville

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Haavard N. Jakobsen wrote:

> Adrenalin. Do you need more connection then that?
>
> -H

Agreed!!!

For me, it's the desire to master an art/technique that is considered
dangerous/difficult.

I've been riding for one year (CBR600 F3). I can't find words to
describe it. I had been waiting all my life (now 26) to be able to
afford my own ride. I learn everyday on my motorcycle.
I did some MTB (unfortunately, that was during college, engineering,
and I never could find time to go out to the country to practice). I
really want to snowboard, but I now live in sunny Alabama (no snow
here). I've tried it once. Now everytime I go somewhere with snow I
look for a chance to snowboard. I am also 6 months away from
receiving a black belt in TaeKwonDo.

I don't think there is much relationship (skill-wise) between all
these sports except the desire for adventure and mastering of the
arts.

In the end... I think those who practice sports that they love are the
ones who will have lived their life fully.

Isabelle
http://www.crml.uab.edu/~ib


og

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You all got some bikes. The NT650 Hawk is a cult classic here in San
Francisco and clean ones go for more than they did new. Nice handling but
not enough go power. Snowboarding
reminded me so much of Motorcycling I started wearing a helmet!

I rode an 86 Honda VFR750R with Fox suspension and Lindeman
front forks for years (4 time world champion Superbike) but sold it last
year because I found myself not paying attention when I was riding. I'm
thinking about getting back into it because one of my riding pals got one.
I'm looking at NSR250SP's and TZR250's or Isabelle's
CBR F3 is also pretty nice..

Hey jack! You learned how to hang off yet?

steve
bikeless..

Jack Michaud <jmic...@trask-decrow.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Dave Roberts wrote:


>
> > Neal Champion wrote:
> > >
> > > Another example of the motorcycling/snowboarding connection. Of the
> > > boarders I know, *so* many ride/have ridden bikes.
> >
> > Yeah, but why???? Mountain biking & snowboarding I can understand, but
> > I don't get the motorbiking connection....
> >
>

Neal Champion

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"og" <swil...@dbc.com> did tap out :

>I'm looking at NSR250SP's and TZR250's or Isabelle's
>CBR F3 is also pretty nice..

I thought two-strokes had been banned in California for years?

Dave Roberts

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Isabelle Banville wrote:
>
> I've been riding for one year (CBR600 F3). I can't find words to

Cool... you should be able to leave hubby for dust on his VFR when you
get to the twisty bits.

> really want to snowboard, but I now live in sunny Alabama (no snow
> here). I've tried it once. Now everytime I go somewhere with snow I

There are lots of people without easy access to the mountains... we have
the same passion for boarding.

- Dave.

Ed F

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In article <3801DACD...@trask-decrow.com>,
I don't care how much they are similar. For me, I want to go high and I
want to go far, IN THE AIR! There is only one way to do serious airs
(I'm talking at least 10' up and 35' long) in the summer and that is on
my bike. I ride motocross primarily to do the jumps. I'd rather jump on
the practice track than race, which is also why I'd rather ride the
park/pipe instead of boardercross. Riding the track at your own pace is
like working your way down a great park with 8 or 9 big jumps, and
since it is a track you don't miss any hits like you can when you have
to choose a line in a park. The feeling of just floating for 2 seconds
or so is the same on a board or motocross bike. Granted, spinning or
flipping a jump is even better but in the dirt you don't have to hike
so it evens out. I must say that snowboarding rules utlimately because
it is just you, a board, and gravity (or anti-gravity!). But at least
the bike is self contained. I have tried wakeboarding. It's fun and you
can get up there but having to hang onto a rope and having to depend on
the boat and its driver takes away the individuality that you feel in
snowboarding and motocycle jumping. This is just what works for me, it
seems that so many of you in here are carving types who do not do big
air much so you would probably relate to a street bike more. It's weird
how many carvers are in this newsgroup compared to the percent on the
mountain. And yes, I love to freeride a few times a day but big hits
are what I love to concentrate on. Ride on o}-<)
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>>DirtRide: Suzuki RM125


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og

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None of the 250's are legal imports to the USA and cannot be licensed
legally in the State of California. They are sold new as "track only".
There are many out there that somehow got California registration and that
is what I would get. Or license it in Oregon.

Steve


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