Marcialonga in MN?
Lars
Marcialonga og Vasaloppet? I mean flat dobbelpole race.
jay_t...@yahoo.com
It is a very flat race. If you do the classic version, you won't need
much kick wax as you can practically double-pole the whole thing.
Jay Tegeder
"On the podium if the right people don't show up!" JT
Mitch Collinsworth
> Yes, the Mora Vassaloppet USA about an hour north of the Twin Cities.
> It is a very flat race. If you do the classic version, you won't need
> much kick wax as you can practically double-pole the whole thing.
So... what does one exactly do with not much kick wax? Not glide as
well the 95+ % of the time you're DP-ing and still not have any kick
the few times you actually want it?
Yeah I'm poking a bit of fun here but really I'm interested in the
question of how folks wax for long DP-athons. Why not just glide-wax
all the way? If that's out because "well, you see, there's this one
hill" then wouldn't you want to either a) DP the hill, or b) use a
good kick-wax job in order to actually have decent kick on that hill?
I note in watching Janne's Vasaloppet videos that the lead pack does
kick when they encounter a hill and I don't see many missed kicks
there. Are they skiing on "not much kick wax" and just really
accurate kickers?
-Mitch
Lars
looks good on map and pictures. didn't find a profile.
I think it is flat even thou the site says "the 42K Classic will start
at the traditional starting area, but soon afterwards find themselves
on a new trail that is filled with hills, curves and woods."
http://www.vasaloppet.org/races.html
Double poling is mostly what I do these days as my left foot is too
troublesome for solid kicking. looks bad :-(
Regarding little kick wax and Jannes Vasa videos. The elite
doublepoled up many small hills that us others had to stride up. So
the track is more up and down than the video shows from bird view. The
elite did also have very little grip during the last 30km or so. When
Aukland strides up a small hill in the end he "walks on his arms" with
very little grip.
Start temp was -10C and VR45 was the softest I saw elite put on,
topped with blue extra. With temps close to 4+ and sunny I had red
klister when crossing finish line in 2004. Even 6h skiers may use red
klister in the end.
Marcialonga is so much flatter than Vasa some racers use very little
grip. ML is not only flat it's slightly downhill...
mvh Lars
"whale meat eater" :-) jt
Marsh Jones
> sounds good with flat Mora Vasaloppet.
> looks good on map and pictures. didn't find a profile.
> I think it is flat even thou the site says "the 42K Classic will start
> at the traditional starting area, but soon afterwards find themselves
> on a new trail that is filled with hills, curves and woods."
> http://www.vasaloppet.org/races.html
> Double poling is mostly what I do these days as my left foot is too
> troublesome for solid kicking. looks bad :-(
remember a whole lot of striding in the woods - mostly DP or DP-kick.
The entire MN-Vasa has a minimal elevation gain. There is only one real
hill, at about the halfway point, and then more DP. Bjorn (a.k.a.
Wenner) may have a little different take, and can probably give you a
finer breakdown than I.
Marsh Jones
Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
Marsh Jones wrote:
> I think the "new trail" stuff may be a couple of years old. I don't
> remember a whole lot of striding in the woods - mostly DP or DP-kick.
> The entire MN-Vasa has a minimal elevation gain. There is only one
real
> hill, at about the halfway point, and then more DP. Bjorn (a.k.a.
> Wenner) may have a little different take, and can probably give you a
> finer breakdown than I.
More often than not, this race has been held on the lake, so yes, the
elevation gain or loss is mimimal, and the hills are small.
A bit more seriously, the course is a lot of rolling hills, and I'd say
kick wax is necessary, even if you're James Dundon. In the second half
the race, there are steep but short hills (except the one), and the
kick wax is even more useful. So yes, you have to be a dp monster to
win, but you can't be off the boat (a rower new to skiing) and win
since you have to also be able to kick.
Jay Wenner
jay_t...@yahoo.com
who gave the Minnesota Mora Vasaloppet people the idea for the 42K
Classic event... OUCH! I just dislocated my shoulder again patting
myself on the back...
I think I need to get that fixed...
Jay Tegeder
Humble and understated as always....
"Keep training, lycra never lies!" JT
Gary Jacobson
news:1104970683.4...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>OUCH! I just dislocated my shoulder again patting
> myself on the back...
> I think I need to get that fixed...
Come over here, I'll fix it. I've got experience with that problem.
Lars, Lars, Lars.....
Marcialonga didn't seem flat to me. The profile indicates quite a bit of
climbing in the first 20 km or so. It sure seemed it to me on that weird
glide-robbing man made snow.
I think that Vasaloppet is significantly flatter with less over all
elevation gain.
I sure hope to ski Marcialonga classic style some day. When I did it skating
it was only the second skate marathon I ever did. The first one in 1985 or
so took me over an hour longer than my classic time in similar conditions
the year prior. Jarvinen wood core skate skis, log-like poles, Salomon gold
plasticlike race training boots.
Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY
Lars
of
>climbing in the first 20 km or so. It sure seemed it to me on that
weird
>glide-robbing man made snow.
>
>I think that Vasaloppet is significantly flatter with less over all
>elevation gain.
Gary Gary Gary ... no :-)
ML is a flatter and easier double pole race than vasa. I did both last
year.
ML has some sligt angle up to 18km, but still alot of flat there.
After 18km (Canazei) the track follow a valley river so it's very flat
and down. Only a noticeable climb at Moena. Look at Jannes MPGs.
Vasa is flat for many miles but many irritating up and down between
Risberg-Evertsberg, and then around Oxberg and Høkberg. I surely
needed grip at many places.
More important Gary, make 2006 your "next time doing classic ML" or
what :-)
Mitch Collinsworth
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Lars wrote:
> Regarding little kick wax and Jannes Vasa videos. The elite
> doublepoled up many small hills that us others had to stride up. So
> the track is more up and down than the video shows from bird view. The
I'm vaguely familiar with the course. I skied the oppet spar once in
1996 with my wife. It was roughly 0 C, plus or minus, for much of the day
and kick was good sometimes, non-existent other times. We stopped a few
times to adjust wax but that got old after a while. At one point we said
the heck with it and DP'd for about 20 km until the kick came back again.
My impression was that other than the one big hill at the start, it would
not be too tough to DP the whole rest of the course. Which reminds me of,
who, Staffan Larsen(?), who tried to do DP the whole thing some time ago,
when he had a leg injury. He was well ahead of the lead pack most of the
way, too.
> elite did also have very little grip during the last 30km or so. When
> Aukland strides up a small hill in the end he "walks on his arms" with
> very little grip.
This is what's puzzling me. Walking on arms is really difficult without
decent grep. Wouldn't it be easier to not even try, leave the kick wax out
entirely, and just DP the ups?
> Marcialonga is so much flatter than Vasa some racers use very little
> grip. ML is not only flat it's slightly downhill...
I gotta try that one some day. I'm a DP addict. :-)
-Mitch