Any hill climb races for rollerskiing?
ultrask8r
which is better for hills-racing rollerskiing (w poles),
inline skating (w poles) or inline skating without poles.
The top inline racers think NO WAY could anyone beat them
with poles. I've also seen postings from them saying
" the quality and condititioning of (xc skiiers) isn't
at the level of inline speedskaters.
Jonathan
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> The top inline racers think NO WAY could anyone beat them
> with poles. I've also seen postings from them saying
> " the quality and condititioning of (xc skiiers) isn't
> at the level of inline speedskaters.
To have a hope of being competitive, you would have to get the (hard
to find) racing roller skis, rather than the ones we all use for training.
Even then, I'm not sure that Roller skis are as efficient on asphalt as
racing blades/blading techique - although your idea of limiting the
contest to hills makes good sense.
On the other hand, I know that the best xc skiers (the olympic and world
cup champions) have the best Cardio-Vascular condition of any athletes in
the world. If that's what the speedskaters were talking about, they are
wrong. But there's lots of problems tring to test it head to head -
among other things, skiers peak for a Dec.-March racing season, inline
skaters for a summer racing season. No doubt skiiers can ski faster than
speedskaters can, and speedskaters can speedskate faster than skiiers can.
-Ken
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erik brooks
a data point.
I've done a couple of inline skate races, and my 'roller ski'
skate training is with the inline skates plus poles. My
favorite training ground is a hilly loop that takes about 3
minutes. I sometimes do no-poles laps too, and I sometimes
time them.
My best time with poles is 3:08
without poles it is 3:07
On a bike it is 2:17 at about 90% effort.
On the uphills I think I'm lots faster with the poles, and on
the downhills I'm faster without them.
I hear that the in-line racers 3 hours south of here do time
trials up some hill. If I ever make it down to those, I'd try
it with the poles.
Erik Brooks
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From: ultrask8r <sk8u...@aol.com>
To: nordi...@graphics.cornell.edu <nordi...@graphics.cornell.edu>
Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 6:56 PM
Subject: Any hill climb races for rollerskiing?
>Trying to find a hill climb, to decide once and for all
>which is better for hills-racing rollerskiing (w poles),
>inline skating (w poles) or inline skating without poles.
>
>The top inline racers think NO WAY could anyone beat them
>with poles. I've also seen postings from them saying
>" the quality and condititioning of (xc skiiers) isn't
>at the level of inline speedskaters.
>
ultrask8r
<ksal...@piper.hamline.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, ultrask8r wrote:
>
> > The top inline racers think NO WAY could anyone beat them
> > with poles. I've also seen postings from them saying
> > " the quality and condititioning of (xc skiiers) isn't
> > at the level of inline speedskaters.
>
> to find) racing roller skis, rather than the ones we all use for training.
To tell you the truth, I think that uphill a skier on inline
speedskates with poles, would be WAY faster-but the inline skaters
don't think that.
I've had actual conversations with several top (winners at world's,
world record holders,) and their attitude is basically " no
one with poles is ever gonna be faster than me"-even uphill.
My idea is to organize a big $$$ hillclimb championships,
and let the clock decide.
> Even then, I'm not sure that Roller skis are as efficient on asphalt as
> racing blades/blading techique - although your idea of limiting the
> contest to hills makes good sense.
>
> On the other hand, I know that the best xc skiers (the olympic and world
> cup champions) have the best Cardio-Vascular condition of any athletes in
> the world.
I agree!
If that's what the speedskaters were talking about, they are
> wrong. But there's lots of problems tring to test it head to head -
> among other things, skiers peak for a Dec.-March racing season, inline
> skaters for a summer racing season.
Skiers train in the summer, and up hill the inlines loose their
roll-with poles a fit skier will kick butt-especially if the
hill climbs for 20-40 minutes.
Imho the fastest time with poles would be 3-5 minutes faster
than the inliners without poles.
Jonathan
No doubt skiiers can ski faster than
> speedskaters can, and speedskaters can speedskate faster than skiiers can.
>
> -Ken
>
>
> ***********************************************************
> Kenneth Salzberg ksal...@gw.hamline.edu
> Hamline University ksal...@piper.hamline.edu
> School of Law (651) 523-2354
> 1536 Hewitt Ave.
> Sisu Skier - Team Birke St. Paul, MN 55104
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>
>
Jay Tegeder
out in Massachusetts visiting Vince O'Connell and the factory. He was there in
the fall and they had a rollerski race to the top of Mount Greylock (the highest
point in MA). Luke said that the winners were all on classic skis which were
much faster than skating skis up the mountain. For what it's worth....
Jay Tegeder
"I faders spar for framtids segrar"
Dean Rodeheaver
good midwest roller skiers. For the skiers, it became a tech-fest--who
could find the fastest roller skis--and we all played around with the
number of wheels, durometer, etc, trying to find something quick and
durable since it was a long race. Dale Niggeman 's models were pretty
quick and lasted well. In the race itself, the best skaters were way out
in front, and some of the skiers managed to hang on to a second or third
pack. The last year I remember, they also had some premiums after the
actual race. This was on the hilly sections of OO between the Sawmill
and heading toward the Birkie trail. I seem to recall that Dale held up
pretty well against the skaters in those ups. Anyone else out there
remember the details?
Dean Rodeheaver
ultrask8r
I heard that the last year that the rollerskiiers were there, one guy
managed to stay 30 m behind the inliners-and he had a broken tip!
While the roller birkie was a lot or rolling hills-the inliners could
draft each other, getting 2 feet away from the next skater.
Impossible with rollerskis.
Imho, a rollerski with 4 or 5 wheels (inline race type, 80mm with
oiled bearings) would be faster than 3 wheels of the typical rollerski.
And in a hillclimb, especially one lasting 30= minutes, drafting
wouldnt be a factor-besides not being allowed in a TT.
Here in Portland , oregon, we have had a TT up Mt Hood, 2700 ft
gain in 6 miles.
The fastest time ever was a 37 min, by Ben Huseby on "training"
rollerskis.
The fastest inline time (without poles) I think is about 41 min-
but it wasn't done by a top inliner, but by a former member of the
winter Biathalon WC team, Shannon Reitan.
Imho, a skier like Huseby, who also can speed skate, on inlines usuing
poles, would be fastest.
But a top rollerskier usuing racing rollerskis might be just as
fast??
Jonathan
ultrask8r
placed 4th in the Athens To Atlanta 138km inline race-he was the first
place
American, behind 2 Dutchies and a Frenchie.
Also a few years ago we had a TT up Mt Hood in Portland, Oregon,
we had a lot of skiers there-Lyle Nelson, Ben Huseby, Justin Wadsworth,
Greg Stone and others-The fastest rollerski times were with skating
skis.
Maybe the classic skis would be faster on a real steep grade tho.
Dean Rodeheaver
Dean Rodeheaver