10K Club wonders about lite training when sick...
Jeff Potter
a cold. But darn I'm so far in arears with my rear that I think I'll go
out awhile anyway. Is there any rule of thumb for training with a cold
or when sick? Like, one of those heart-rate rules? I suppose my usual
method has been to skip it or to keep it very light. But I need to burn
a FEW calories today....
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> I have a bit of a cold. I get a little fevery feeling when I exert
with
> a cold. But darn I'm so far in arears with my rear that I think I'll
go
> out awhile anyway. Is there any rule of thumb for training with a
cold
> or when sick?
If you have any fever or symptons below the neck, definitely don't
train. Beyond that, I think it's wise to be cautious. If you're
itching to get out, go out, do your normal warmup and see how you
feel. If you still feel at all bad, go home.
JT
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>Is there any rule of thumb for training with a cold
>or when sick?
Jeff,
Take your temperature. If you don't have a fever, L-S-D workouts less than
an hour are OK (but go by feel). If you have a fever, get some rest.
Cheers,
Bruce
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Jeff Potter
I suppose the main thing is to go by feel, and temp.
But are there any known problems for different kinds of exercise? Like doing
strength things like push-ups, chin-ups compared to aerobic exercise like
running? --For those who are coming down with colds or in the early stages of
colds?
Tim Dudley
heart rate is up by more than 8 or 10 beats, I know I'm about to get sick,
and will rest rather than work out. If I'm just feeling kind of lousy, I'll
do a light workout and check my recovery time, and if it takes longer than
usual for my heart rate to drop, then I know that rest is better than work
(!) and I won't work out until I feel better.
I find that when I work out when I'm getting sick, I just make myself
sicker, and it takes longer to get back into my regular routine.
Also, echinecea (sp?) every couple of hours and vitamin C (like 1000mg 2x a
day) at the early stages of cold or flu will sure improve your chances of
not getting sick. (And a sauna every day, if you can do it...)
Tim
Erik Brooks
training. You can certainly do that when you are a bit down.
I do recommend Doug Garfield's 'Steady Skier' book.
Erik
Harold Buck
er...@wolfenet.com (Erik Brooks) wrote:
> > What about strength training that is moderate and not aerobic?
> >
> > I suppose the main thing is to go by feel, and temp.
> >
> > But are there any known problems for different kinds of exercise? Like
> doing
> > strength things like push-ups, chin-ups compared to aerobic exercise like
> > running? --For those who are coming down with colds or in the early
> stages of
> > colds?
> >
Light aerobic training is okay if the symptoms are above the neck (head
cold), but if you have a sore throat, chest congestions, stomach cramps,
vomiting, etc., then you should pass
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson
Gene Goldenfeld
>
> Also, echinecea (sp?) every couple of hours and vitamin C (like 1000mg 2x a
> day) at the early stages of cold or flu will sure improve your chances of
> not getting sick. (And a sauna every day, if you can do it...)
I've been fighting off the same cold since Thursday and decided
just to lay off for a few days, except for a visit to the
steamroom and sauna over the weekend. I've been wondering,
though, does it matter which, moist or dry? I was thinking
steamroom early to keep the phlegm loose in the chest and sauna
for nasal congestion and to dry things up, but that may be
completely ignorant.
Gene
Tim Dudley
I take a spray bottle into the sauna with me, that has either some balsam or
pine or eucalyptus oil in it. When I've got a cold, I use eucalyptus, and
spray the stones with the mister. The water evaporates before it ever hits
any of the heating elements in the stove, and the eucalyptus steam that
rises smells good, feels good, clears the nose and lungs, etc, etc, etc.
You can also use the sprayer to cool down the sauna's temperature sensor,
which causes the stove to fire up, in case the sauna's not hot enough, but
you didn't hear that from me.
Tim
> From: Gene Goldenfeld <gene...@highstream.net>
> Organization: AT&T Broadband
> Newsgroups: rec.skiing.nordic
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:58:22 GMT
> Subject: Re: 10K Club wonders about lite training when sick...
>
jim farrell
>
>Also, echinecea (sp?) every couple of hours and vitamin C (like 1000mg 2x a
>day) at the early stages of cold or flu will sure improve your chances of
>not getting sick. (And a sauna every day, if you can do it...)
>
>
>
>
>
Watch out for echinecea! As an herbal remedy, it is only indicated to
PREVENT colds, not to help you recover faster from one. Scientifically,
it has been proven not only ineffective, but counter productive. In a
study published last winter (NEJM?), subjects taking echinacea were
found to be MORE susecptable to colds than those taking a placebo! But
still the recommendation to take this wholly ineffective treatment
continue. (most people set themselves up with a strong belief abetted
by false reasoning --- sure I got sick, but it would have been MUCH
worse if I hadn't taken the echenacea.)
It is very strange that medical retractions get less attention than the
initial false claims. Everyone remembers the big front page headlines
announcing "Aluminum causes Alzheimer's Disease." Fewer found the
retractions buried in the inside corner of page 27: "Oops, we made a
mistake, aluminum has no role in the onset of Alzheimer's"
Jim
Tim Dudley
> From: jim farrell <jfar...@qwest.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.skiing.nordic
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:09:23 -0600
> Subject: Re: 10K Club wonders about lite training when sick...
>
> Tim Dudley wrote:
>
>>
>> Also, echinecea (sp?) every couple of hours and vitamin C (like 1000mg 2x a
>> day) at the early stages of cold or flu will sure improve your chances of
>> not getting sick. (And a sauna every day, if you can do it...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Watch out for echinecea! As an herbal remedy, it is only indicated to
> PREVENT colds, not to help you recover faster from one. Scientifically,
> it has been proven not only ineffective, but counter productive. In a
> study published last winter (NEJM?), subjects taking echinacea were
> found to be MORE susecptable to colds than those taking a placebo! But
> still the recommendation to take this wholly ineffective treatment
> continue. (most people set themselves up with a strong belief abetted
> by false reasoning --- sure I got sick, but it would have been MUCH
> worse if I hadn't taken the echenacea.)
Maybe it works because people believe it will work, and they make themselves
healthier as a result. I don't dispute the science; however, I recognize
cold symptoms when I see them, and I have stopped and/or shortened colds by
using echinecea. (And it's not the ones that only lasted 7 days that would
have lasted at least a week without the echinecea...)
I've personally found it effective for shortening the length of a cold, as
long as I catch things in the early stages. Works for me (especially if
it's a mix of echinecea and goldenseal). As they say, your results may
vary.
Now, on the other hand, some people view colds as exercise for the immune
system; consequently, autumn colds prepare us for winter.
And speaking of scientifically suspect, sometime next summer when we're
*really* suffering from skiing withdrawal symptoms, I'll tell you about
reconciling my experience with homeopathy and my logical scientific
background.
Tim
Kenneth Salzberg
. .
> And speaking of scientifically suspect, sometime next summer when we're
> *really* suffering from skiing withdrawal symptoms, I'll tell you about
> reconciling my experience with homeopathy and my logical scientific
> background.
I, for one, never believe in the efficacy of any "remedy" on the basis of
anecdotal evidence. If you don't have a double-blind study (or it's
equivalent), it's much too easy for belief and bias to effect the
"result". There are, I'm sure, many herbal remedies that do work - the
trick is to figure out which ones do, and which ones don't, without having
to depend on stories.
-Ken
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Chris Cline
> I've personally found it effective for shortening
> the length of a cold, as
> long as I catch things in the early stages. Works
> for me (especially if
> it's a mix of echinecea and goldenseal). As they
> say, your results may
> vary.
I second your (anecdotal) experience. I also add
cayenne pepper to the mix, figuring if it makes your
throat burn it must be making life hard for the little
buggers down there (and has pyrogenic properties,
etc., etc.)
> And speaking of scientifically suspect, sometime
> next summer when we're
> *really* suffering from skiing withdrawal symptoms,
> I'll tell you about
> reconciling my experience with homeopathy and my
> logical scientific
> background.
>
Here's hoping for a long and snowy winter!! I hope to
never get to that point of suffering!!
Chris
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
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--- Kenneth Salzberg <ksal...@piper.hamline.edu>
wrote:
> I, for one, never believe in the efficacy of any
> "remedy" on the basis of
> anecdotal evidence. If you don't have a
> double-blind study (or it's
> equivalent), it's much too easy for belief and bias
> to effect the
> "result". There are, I'm sure, many herbal remedies
> that do work - the
> trick is to figure out which ones do, and which ones
> don't, without having
> to depend on stories.
>
> -Ken
So, Ken, the question I (good-naturedly) pose to you
is this: in the absence of double-blind studies, and
in the presence of an incipient cold that you would
really NOT like to catch, how do you accomplish the
"trick" of figuring out which herbal remedies work?
On the theory that "at least it won't make it any
worse", I think that the trick is to give things a try
on an individual basis. Even though a study with
"n=1" is definitely NOT a scientific study, an
individual who notices a correlation between taking
something (say, echinacea) and the occurence of the
desired effect (say, not incubating that little
scratch in the throat into a chest full of gook), is
probably going to try the same remedy the next time.
And if it seems to consistently work, that individual
will probably recommend it to friends (especially
those who might sneeze on them!).
Often, science is actually a step behind anecdotal
understanding. Formal hypothesis testing involves
developing a supposition that is based on previous
observations. I believe that there HAVE been some
scientifically controlled studies of echinacea, based
on this anecdotal body of knowledge-- I'll have to see
what I can dig up on the net.
Chris
(obviously still not enough snow lower down to get me
away from my computer!)
Kenneth Salzberg
> So, Ken, the question I (good-naturedly) pose to you
> is this: in the absence of double-blind studies, and
> in the presence of an incipient cold that you would
> really NOT like to catch, how do you accomplish the
> "trick" of figuring out which herbal remedies work?
Trying, good-naturedly, to answer - when I sense a cold coming on, I take
a little extra Vit. C, some zinc, have some chicken soup (can't hurt. .
), and be sure and take some de-congestant like psudophed. I try to
"steam" my head (stick my head in a steamer, and breath deeply), drink a
lot, get more rest, back off my training a bit. It usually works, but
not always.
lustig
> I have a bit of a cold. I get a little fevery feeling when I exert with
> a cold. But darn I'm so far in arears with my rear that I think I'll go
> out awhile anyway.
Acute bronchitis will put you even further in arrears and
myocarditis can put an end to your illustrious sporting
career - but it´s your body and it´s your life...
Thumb Rule Number One: if you´ve got *any* muscle aches,
don´t even think about it!
Thumb Rule Number Two: warm up gently, if you begin to
feel a little bit *better*, you can go out for an hour
of moderate training (but make darn sure you change
into dry gear *immediately*...).
Thumb Rule Number Three: enjoy the opportunity to rest,
think about the competition which is out there double-
poling and foolishly entering a state of overtraining,
feel smug and superior.
Anders (who does know a thing or two about myocarditis)
Jeff Potter
ech has been "proven" counterproductive. Ha! In all cases? Perfectly proven?
Proven as in we can now write the Natural Law for Ech and add it to the very few
others we have? What a proof! I'm impressed! Do the scientists involved claim a
PROOF? Or do they just say what their study showed? Aren't there frequently
studies which reverse previous studies which are then reversed? Studies aren't
perfect, um, ever. Studies aren't meant to be RELIED on but to be used as part of
FURTHER STUDIES. Until we do get to that very rare area of new Proof to add to
Law. (Have we seen it lately?) What actually is used in life or works in life is
not claimed to be part of science, yo!
Tim Dudley wrote:
> [ ]
>
> Maybe it works because people believe it will work, and they make themselves
> healthier as a result. I don't dispute the science; however, I recognize
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Jonty Summers
> > is this: in the absence of double-blind studies, and
> > in the presence of an incipient cold that you would
> > really NOT like to catch, how do you accomplish the
> > "trick" of figuring out which herbal remedies work?
>
> Trying, good-naturedly, to answer - when I sense a cold coming on, I take
> a little extra Vit. C, some zinc, have some chicken soup (can't hurt. .
> ), and be sure and take some de-congestant like psudophed. I try to
> "steam" my head (stick my head in a steamer, and breath deeply), drink a
> lot, get more rest, back off my training a bit. It usually works, but
> not always.
>
- particularly if there's sore throats and mucus threatening. Munch a
couple of cloves of raw garlic. It's got to be raw. Sure: it's a
pretty aggressive treatment, but I've been cold free for two years
since discovering it! The downside? It's somewhat socially obnoxious:
my wife steers clear of me at such times. You've got to catch a cold
at the first sign of a sniff or an itchy throat though, otherwise it's
too late. Enjoy!
Gene Goldenfeld
>
> > Trying, good-naturedly, to answer - when I sense a cold coming on, I take
> > a little extra Vit. C, some zinc, have some chicken soup (can't hurt. .
> > ), and be sure and take some de-congestant like psudophed. I try to
> > "steam" my head (stick my head in a steamer, and breath deeply), drink a
> > lot, get more rest, back off my training a bit. It usually works, but
> > not always.
> >
> I'm right there with you Ken, but you're missing one crucial element
> - particularly if there's sore throats and mucus threatening. Munch a
> couple of cloves of raw garlic. It's got to be raw. Sure: it's a
> pretty aggressive treatment, but I've been cold free for two years
> since discovering it! The downside? It's somewhat socially obnoxious:
> my wife steers clear of me at such times. You've got to catch a cold
> at the first sign of a sniff or an itchy throat though, otherwise it's
> too late. Enjoy!
I love this. It's wonderful how much of the way we fight colds,
and the results we claim, border on superstition!
Gene
Jonty Summers
What do you mean superstition, Gene? I have it on strictest authority
from my witch doctor!!
It reminds me of some tennis-related stories (a former life of mine):
Bjorn Borg never used to shave during Wimbledon because the first time
he won it he hadn't shaved. Vitas Gerulaitus never used to step on the
lines when walking back to serve.
I wonder if skiers are as superstitious?
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Allan Butler
> What do you mean superstition, Gene? I have it on strictest authority
> from my witch doctor!!
>
> It reminds me of some tennis-related stories (a former life of mine):
> Bjorn Borg never used to shave during Wimbledon because the first time
> he won it he hadn't shaved. Vitas Gerulaitus never used to step on the
> lines when walking back to serve.
>
> I wonder if skiers are as superstitious?
A few years ago I put a Buzz Lightyear sticker (from a cereal box) on
one of my skis. I switch around which foot that ski is on when
training, but now whenever I race I have to have that ski on my right
foot. I've even taken to calling the skis Buzz & Lefty.