what does ole hyvaa mean?
p.bowen
hometown trail system, and i have yet to receive a convincing answer
when talking to the locals. nor have i been to t.bay recently to ask
the finns in person. thought someone on rsn would have an idea.
phil
Bob Larson
Maybe that's what the Finns are yelling to cheer the skiers on.
"hyvaa hyvaa hyvaa!", acompanied by many cow bells.
Finnish for "hurry-up", "shake a leg", or "go" ???
-Bob
Heikki Kantola
rec.skiing.nordic with the following:
My verdict is that "ole hyvaa" doesn't really mean anything, although
"ole hyvä" is a common Finnish phrase and means literally "be good",
but usually stands for something like "there you are".
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J999w
>My verdict is that "ole hyvaa" doesn't really mean anything, although
>"ole hyvä" is a common Finnish phrase and means literally "be good",
>but usually stands for something like "there you are".
>
There's a Finnish song about Formula One racing where they say "Hyva Suomi,
Hyva Makinen !". I thought that was like saying " GO SUOMI, GO MAKINEN ! " .
??
jw
p.bowen
> My verdict is that "ole hyvaa" doesn't really mean anything, although
> "ole hyvä" is a common Finnish phrase and means literally "be good",
> but usually stands for something like "there you are".
yes, my spelling may have been in error, and i'm not sure how to type
an umlaut over the a in hyva. thanks for the info!
phil
Timo Salmi
> Heikki Kantola <he...@iki.fi> wrote in message news:<slrna8a4i...@venus.ling.helsinki.fi>...
> > My verdict is that "ole hyvaa" doesn't really mean anything, although
> > "ole hyvä" is a common Finnish phrase and means literally "be good",
> > but usually stands for something like "there you are".
Yes. Depending on the circumstances an alternative translation of
the term is "you are welcome" as a response to a thanks. It also is
occasionally used when someone asks you for something. When you hand
it over, in that connection the term indeed becomes "there you are"
or just "please" with the appropriate inflection.
The "ole hyvaa" probably is a misspelled "ole hyvae" which is a
sometimes used (IMHO silly-looking) notation in a non-Finnish
denotation when the Scandinavian characters are not available for
one strange reason or another.
All the best, Timo
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Terje Henriksen
"Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> skrev i melding news:a64bdf$e...@poiju.uwasa.fi...
> p.bowen <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Heikki Kantola <he...@iki.fi> wrote in message
news:<slrna8a4i...@venus.ling.helsinki.fi>...
> > > My verdict is that "ole hyvaa" doesn't really mean anything, although
> > > "ole hyvä" is a common Finnish phrase and means literally "be good",
> > > but usually stands for something like "there you are".
>
> Yes. Depending on the circumstances an alternative translation of
> the term is "you are welcome" as a response to a thanks. It also is
> occasionally used when someone asks you for something. When you hand
> it over, in that connection the term indeed becomes "there you are"
> or just "please" with the appropriate inflection.
>
> The "ole hyvaa" probably is a misspelled "ole hyvae" which is a
> sometimes used (IMHO silly-looking) notation in a non-Finnish
> denotation when the Scandinavian characters are not available for
> one strange reason or another.
>
> All the best, Timo
Or it may be hyvä to Ole.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
Timo Salmi
> "Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> skrev i melding news:a64bdf$e...@poiju.uwasa.fi...
> > > > but usually stands for something like "there you are".
> Or it may be hyvä to Ole.
Terje, that "Go Ole!" a good catch. But it is somewhat unlikely,
even if not impossible. In that connection, however, the word order
would more commonly be the other way round in the Finnish usage,
i.e. Hyvä Ole!
Janne G
>
> Terje Henriksen <the...@c2i.net> wrote:
> > "Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> skrev i melding news:a64bdf$e...@poiju.uwasa.fi...
> (snip)
> > > > Heikki Kantola <he...@iki.fi> wrote in message
> > > > > "ole hyvä" is a common Finnish phrase and means literally "be good",
> > > > > but usually stands for something like "there you are".
>
> > Or it may be hyvä to Ole.
>
> Terje, that "Go Ole!" a good catch. But it is somewhat unlikely,
> even if not impossible. In that connection, however, the word order
> would more commonly be the other way round in the Finnish usage,
> i.e. Hyvä Ole!
>
If translating Hyvä to Swedish or Norweigan shouldn't it be "hejja"?
Which in Swedish terms don't mean anything more than a cheering word
with the meaning "push it" or something like that.
--
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Janne G
Timo Salmi
> Timo Salmi wrote:
> > Terje, that "Go Ole!" a good catch. But it is somewhat unlikely,
> If translating Hyvä to Swedish or Norweigan shouldn't it be "hejja"?
Janne, in _that_ particular connection, yes. But, as you know, the
same word can have several meanings. (I've covered those earlier).
lustig
> If translating Hyvä to Swedish or Norweigan shouldn't it be "hejja"?
> Which in Swedish terms don't mean anything more than a cheering word
> with the meaning "push it" or something like that.
Yeah, though these days the words most often used to
cheer or support skiers are "Paina, paina!" (approx.
"Pinuh!"), meaning "Push!" or "Press!".
Or, if the skier is clearly too darn tired to push on,
and the words might seem either offending or silly,
then it´s just "Jaksa, jaksa!" (approx. "Yucksuh"!),
meaning "Hang on!".
"Heja!" is always good for the Swedes, "Hop, hop, hop!"
for the Norwgians, and "Via, via!" for the Italians:-)
Lustig
PS "Ole hyvaa" might have been orginally "Olen hyvä",
"Ole´s good (one)", or "Olen hyvää", "Ole´s good (something
edible)", a pun on a sausageroll, perhaps:-)
Janne G
>
> Janne G <jang_remove_@_remove_cad.luth.se> wrote:
> > Timo Salmi wrote:
> > > Terje, that "Go Ole!" a good catch. But it is somewhat unlikely,
>
> > If translating Hyvä to Swedish or Norweigan shouldn't it be "hejja"?
>
> Janne, in _that_ particular connection, yes. But, as you know, the
> same word can have several meanings. (I've covered those earlier).
I asked my mother (Tornedaling, speaking mienkielä) that are a lot better
in the Finish language than i am and get the translation "go on" or "do it".
But "Hyvä päivä" means "good day", so i assume hyvä means good (swedish bra),
at least in this meaning. I get the feeling that what Finish words meaning
depends much on in what sentence they are used in, and therefore can have
diffrent meaning.
Heikki Kantola
rec.skiing.nordic with the following:
> Timo Salmi wrote:
>> Janne G <jang_remove_@_remove_cad.luth.se> wrote:
>> > If translating Hyvä to Swedish or Norweigan shouldn't it be "hejja"?
>>
>> Janne, in _that_ particular connection, yes. But, as you know, the
>> same word can have several meanings. (I've covered those earlier).
>
> I asked my mother (Tornedaling, speaking mienkielä) that are a lot better
Nitpicking: AFAIK the dialect (or language if we believe Swedish
authorities ;)) spoken around Tornio valley is spelled meänkieli.
> in the Finish language than i am and get the translation "go on" or "do it".
> But "Hyvä päivä" means "good day", so i assume hyvä means good (swedish bra),
> at least in this meaning.
Yes, hyvä in Finnish means simply "good", although in certain contexts
the better translation may indeed be something else. And as your example
was quite common phrase I must say that if you want to wish somebody a
good day as a greeting, you should use partitive case: "Hyvää päivää".
> I get the feeling that what Finish words meaning depends much on in
> what sentence they are used in, and therefore can have diffrent
> meaning.
Isn't that true for most languages?
Janne G
>
> Janne G <jang_remove_@_remove_cad.luth.se> informed
> rec.skiing.nordic with the following:
> > Timo Salmi wrote:
> >> Janne G <jang_remove_@_remove_cad.luth.se> wrote:
> >> > If translating Hyvä to Swedish or Norweigan shouldn't it be "hejja"?
> >>
> >> Janne, in _that_ particular connection, yes. But, as you know, the
> >> same word can have several meanings. (I've covered those earlier).
> >
> > I asked my mother (Tornedaling, speaking mienkielä) that are a lot better
>
> Nitpicking: AFAIK the dialect (or language if we believe Swedish
> authorities ;)) spoken around Tornio valley is spelled meänkieli.
>
> > in the Finish language than i am and get the translation "go on" or "do it".
> > But "Hyvä päivä" means "good day", so i assume hyvä means good (swedish bra),
> > at least in this meaning.
>
> Yes, hyvä in Finnish means simply "good", although in certain contexts
> the better translation may indeed be something else. And as your example
> was quite common phrase I must say that if you want to wish somebody a
> good day as a greeting, you should use partitive case: "Hyvää päivää".
>
> > I get the feeling that what Finish words meaning depends much on in
> > what sentence they are used in, and therefore can have diffrent
> > meaning.
>
> Isn't that true for most languages?
Maybe, i'm no linguist so i haven't explore this, just curious.
Jay Tegeder
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by using his diplomatic immunity clause. Reportedly, he's back in
Europe getting ready for the spring cycling classics.
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Timo Salmi
> at least in this meaning. I get the feeling that what Finish words meaning
> depends much on in what sentence they are used in, and therefore can have
> diffrent meaning.
True, but that goes for any language, including Swedish. It is not a
speciality of the Finnish language.
But we are drifting away from skiing. Maybe we should consider going
over to news:soc.culture.nordic in case we continue on this subject
much longer.
Terje Henriksen
"lustig" <lus...@rocketmail.com> skrev i melding
news:b584be96.02030...@posting.google.com...
> Janne G <jang_remove_@_remove_cad.luth.se> wrote in message
news:<3C871359.3DB022CF@_remove_cad.luth.se>...
>
> > If translating Hyvä to Swedish or Norweigan shouldn't it be "hejja"?
> > Which in Swedish terms don't mean anything more than a cheering word
> > with the meaning "push it" or something like that.
>
> Yeah, though these days the words most often used to
> cheer or support skiers are "Paina, paina!" (approx.
> "Pinuh!"), meaning "Push!" or "Press!".
>
> Or, if the skier is clearly too darn tired to push on,
> and the words might seem either offending or silly,
> then it´s just "Jaksa, jaksa!" (approx. "Yucksuh"!),
> meaning "Hang on!".
>
>
> "Heja!" is always good for the Swedes, "Hop, hop, hop!"
> for the Norwgians
Only if we watch skijumping. "Hopp" means "jump". Most commonly we use
"heia". "Hop" is used in Austria and Germany, I think.
, and "Via, via!" for the Italians:-)
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
John Forrest Tomlinson
news:9FPj8.2178$gY3....@juliett.dax.net...
> Only if we watch skijumping. "Hopp" means "jump". Most commonly we
use
> "heia". "Hop" is used in Austria and Germany, I think.
>
> , and "Via, via!" for the Italians:-)
And, of course, "Jia you! Jia you!" for the Chinese. Or at least Yu
Shumei.
JT
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