K2 MSL vs Dynastar X8
Tim Sannes
Has anyone had a chance to ski either or both of these ski's, and
what is your opinion of both. I can get the X8 for 399. and the MSL
for 450.
Thanks in advance,
Tim Sannes
tjs...@mcdata.com
Seth Masia
slalom ski. MSL is agile but feels more solid and stable underfoot, is
more stable at higher speeds. I'd pick the X8 for short, quick turns,
the MSL for cruising. Bumps? X8 if you swivel your turns, MSL if you
carve. See the writeups at http://www.skinet.com/ski/gear --Seth
Carl
Tim,
I bought the X8 last year and skiied it all season long. A really good
all round ski that you can take into the bumps, steeps, cruisers, and
hardpack. Very quick turning, too. Although some have criticized it for
not being stable in fast long (ie, GS) turns, I haven't had that problem
(I'm 5'10 165lbs). It's a very, very light ski, so the only drawback is
that it won't track very well in crud. Get the X8 and put the extra $50
towards some top of the line bindings for them!F
Carl
boatwrecker
: I'm planning on buying either the K2 MSL or the Dynastar X8.
: Has anyone had a chance to ski either or both of these ski's, and
: what is your opinion of both. I can get the X8 for 399. and the MSL
: for 450.
: Thanks in advance,
: Tim Sannes
: tjs...@mcdata.com
Tim, I'm looking to buy this year too, and when I went to the local
show I talked with the Dynastar factory rep. Said that the X8 are almost
identical to the assault V8, only exception being that the V8's are more
flexible, and so better for the bumps and such, but otherwise weight, etc
are the same.
Dave.
r u s h k a
Dave 'boatwrecker' Rushka
University of British Columbia Varsity Men's Coxswain
Faculty of Dentistry III
Brian MacGillivray
s:
:>
:>tjs...@newsit2.mcdata.com (Tim Sannes) wrote:
:>>I'm planning on buying either the K2 MSL or the Dynastar X8.
:>>Has anyone had a chance to ski either or both of these ski's, and
:>>what is your opinion of both. I can get the X8 for 399. and the MSL
:>>for 450.
:>>
:>>Thanks in advance,
:>>
:>>Tim Sannes
:>>tjs...@mcdata.com
:>>
:>
:>
:>Tim,
:>
:>hardpack. Very quick turning, too. Although some have criticized it for
:>not being stable in fast long (ie, GS) turns, I haven't had that problem
:>(I'm 5'10 165lbs). It's a very, very light ski, so the only drawback is
:>that it won't track very well in crud. Get the X8 and put the extra $50
:>towards some top of the line bindings for them!F
:>
:>Carl
The MSL is all of this and more.
It is stable in GS turns and it has a wood core. ( I might be wrong but
I believe the dynastar has a foam core. )
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Russell
are skies.
"Screw the perfect people they all look the same" Pennywise rules
this is a "down the toilet production"by Dave Russell
MANNIX IAIN RORY CAMPBELL
to Colorado ice (firm snow), and my vote goes unquestionably to the MSL.
I tried the X8 in a 200, found it to be deadish, squirrley, and unable to
hold a good solid edge. On soft pushpiles, it was ok, but I never found
a turn it really liked - not short, not medium, definetly not long.
Medium was the best, but not inspiring. I personally like a GS ski, but
I can ski most skis and say "I dont like it, but I can see why someone
would." Not with the X8. I blame a large portion of the ski's poor
performance on the tune - it felt base high - but even with that in mind,
it would not do anything on soft snow. For me. Plus, the Dynastar rep
told me that the ski was tuned great - 1/2deg. on the base, 1deg side.
Ok, but it still felt base high. "No it is not." says Captain Dynastar,
and turns away. Ok, I guess your ski blows. (dont really think so, like
to ski a tuned ski before I throw that kind of comment around). I tune
skis for a living - I *know* what a ski should ski like.
The MSL. Skied that first in a 204, loved it. Short snappy turns, long
ripping get whistled at by the patrol turns, whatever. I'd buy it in a
208 (or 207, or 210, whatever). Fun ski. Because we carry both skis, I
felt the need to ski it in a 200 to compare - the 200 skied just as well,
barley noticed the 4cm difference - not quite as stable at speed, but it
was getting skied off by then. K2 was keeping on top of their bases. I
liked it almost as much as the GS Race, one of my personal favorites, but
it is more versatile, I think.
About me - I am 220 pounds, a GS skier by nature, advanced, I suppose,
and I represent both brands at work. THese are my honest opinons. I
feel bad saying the X8 was so lousy, but it was. Talking with other
people who skied the Dynastars said the same - it is not just me. The
Dynastar G9 is a fun ski - skied it with a good, almost to good, (a bit
hooky) tune once - whee! I do not hate Dynastar. Just wanted to put my
2c in for anyone considering either of these skis. Also skied the K2
Four. Cant see the light blink, bummed me out! Interesting ski,
though. I'd be happy to discuss in depth any of the above. Thanks, Mannix
Camden Kneeland
(MANNIX IAIN RORY CAMPBELL) wrote:
>
> The MSL. Skied that first in a 204, loved it. Short snappy turns, long
> ripping get whistled at by the patrol turns, whatever. I'd buy it in a
> 208 (or 207, or 210, whatever). Fun ski. Because we carry both skis, I
> felt the need to ski it in a 200 to compare - the 200 skied just as well,
> barley noticed the 4cm difference - not quite as stable at speed, but it
> was getting skied off by then. K2 was keeping on top of their bases. I
> liked it almost as much as the GS Race, one of my personal favorites, but
> it is more versatile, I think.
Mannix,
What is the difference in construction between the GS Race and the
MSL. Further, compare the GS Race overall with the MSL and the Four. I
am 5'8, 165 and am an advanced skiier looking for a good all mountain
ski. Not too concerned with moguls, more so with powder. Recommendations
concerning the above skis and my needs?
--
Camden Kneeland
ckne...@uoknor.edu
75570...@compuserve.com
JWAR
Everyone I have talked to loves the X-8 as well. I skied the
200's and thought they were great short turn all terrain skis. I
found everything the reviews said to be true. Best all terrain
ski of 1994. I suspect you found them so dead because of the 220
lbs. you are throwing into them which is probably why you like a
GS ski.
--
JWAR
MANNIX IAIN RORY CAMPBELL
JWAR - I'd be inclined to agree with you, but I cannot. Yes, I am larger
than average, but as I said before, I can normally ski something like
the X8 and understand it's purpose. For instance, I skied the Elan Rct
yesterday - comparable to the X8, I think - and I enjoyed it. The Rct is
part of Elans race group, which is made up of three skis: R5c (SL), R3c
(GS), and Rct, an all mountain slalom designed to do everything. Like
the X8, the Rct is designed for an advanced skier looking for performance
everywhere. To be honest, I prefer Dynastars over Elans - largley due to
my size, as their Monoblock construction allows them to make a super soft
ski longitudinally while stiff torsionally. This is great, but for me, I
find myself pushing into the ski and feeling that there is nothing
there. A good friend of mine skis the R3c and loves it - I like it when
I am more subtle with my inputs and do not overturn it, same as the Rct.
So, while my 220 pounds is a contributing factor to my likes in skis, I
do not think it is the reason I did not like the X8. I know the X8 can
hold a good edge. Mine did not, and as soon as we mount our demos, I'm
going to tune a pair myself and re-evaluate the ski for all of the
Dynastar owners in disbelief that someone does not like their ski. Then
I'll tell you what I think!
Also, I skied the SCX from Elan - I have to be quick, more later, but it
skis like an Elan - don't overpower it, but it is similar to the K2 4 -
easy short turns, suprisingly stable in longer turns. Only problem I had
with it was it's tendency to sink underfoot in softish snow. I was
skiing Vail (which is not too shabby right now!!!!) in the
trees/ungroomed snow, and setting an edge across the fall line would let
the midsection sink up to the buckles - no it is not my weight, my
partner for the day had the same problem, 150 pounds. Aside from that,
it is fun! Take care, Mannix
Barrett Nicholas
the depth of details and rational they've used to defend their likes and dislikes. I've
not only learned a lot about the particular skiis in quaetion, but also ways to evaluate
any skiis performance and to put it into words. Thanks!
A DeRocco
suspension system---basically 2 braided cores separated by a viscoelastic
layer that helps damp out unwanted vibrations. The upper core or isolator
core is 33" long and separtes the binding interface from the main
structure of the ski.
The GS RAce is a true metal/glass laminate, with ABS sidewalls. This
ski has 2 layers of .016" titanal and 4 different glass layers. It
shares the same 10.0 sidecut with the MSL but is definately a different
feeling ski. The MSL is better off piste and as an all mountain ski. The
GS Race is better at speed and is more stable on the hard pack.
The k2 4 is our all new all mountain exper ski with a radical 14mm
sidecut depth and 65mm waist width (compared to 62.5 on the 10.0 sidecut).
The extra width under foot really makes this ski totally versatile in all
snow conditions. These few mm's make a ton of difference in crud and
powder and help the ski float . The shovel width on the 4's is 99mm vs 90
on the 10.0 sidecut, so again the extra width really shines in off piste
conditions. Lastly the 14.0 sidecut carves some unbelievable arcs on the
hard stuff. The last thing is the piezoceramic module to control
vibrations. I could right a ton of jargon on this but its probably better
to just get to the next demo and get on these animals berfore they are all
gone.
A DeRocco
clear window above the light. On the models that are currently shipping
you can see the light easily in dead sunlight. Hopefully you will get
some in your store soon.
Anthony from K2
fitzp...@gmail.com
The Real Bev
this shit easy.
I liked my MSLs. I like the Dynastar Max 6 that replaced them.
They're pretty and orange and the same model was used by somebody I
respect. My skiing hasn't improved since then, why should my skis?
--
Cheers, Bev
"If you like to stand on your head and spit pickles in the snow, on the
Internet there are at least three other people just like you."
- Langston James Goree VI
Scott Abraham
> On 12/21/2017 11:54 AM, fitzp...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Well, I skied on the X8 about 20 years ago. Skis have come a long way
> > since then. If you can, hold out for a few more years and get some
> > x-screams when they come out...
>
> You're responding to an OOOOOOLD posting. Google groups doesn't make
> this shit easy.
> I liked my MSLs. I like the Dynastar Max 6 that replaced them.
> They're pretty and orange and the same model was used by somebody I
> respect. My skiing hasn't improved since then, why should my skis?
Eviel Dewar
> On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 12:42:57 PM UTC-8, The Real Bev wrote:
> > On 12/21/2017 11:54 AM, fitzp...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Well, I skied on the X8 about 20 years ago. Skis have come a long way
> > > since then. If you can, hold out for a few more years and get some
> > > x-screams when they come out...
> >
> > You're responding to an OOOOOOLD posting. Google groups doesn't make
> > this shit easy.
>
Kettle
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