Help! Nordica "Nordiform" Grand Prix ski boots hurts me!
Steve Romine
denser. They will take longer to break in. The fit is closer and there is
less insulation so they are going to be colder.
My GPs took about eight days of skiing and a trip to Footloose almost every
afternoon to get them right. Then they developed a crease in the fabric on
the heel and they were trashed. I got a free pair of zip fits that I had to
repeat the break in. I dread getting new boots.
Steve
"Graeme Howland" <ghho...@ucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 yu...@NOSPAM.lansol.com wrote:
>
> > It was a gift from out of town friends.
>
> Not sure, but I'd assume the "Nordiform" is referring to a foam liner that
> is custom molded by either heating the liner and then wearing it or by
> body heat while skiing. If they are racing boots that would explain the
> discomfort. Racing boots are much stiffer than other types of ski boots,
> giving little flex and being less forgiving. If you were skiing a
> recreational boot and suddenly stepped into a race boot you would be in
> pain. Unless you are either racing or need extreme stiffness I would
> highly recommend going with softer boots.
>
> ttyl
>
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> Graeme Howland
> Calgary Alberta Canada
> ghho...@ucalgary.ca - University of Calgary
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Scott Brashier
their Thermoflex liner. The liner is made up of a Lycra outer with an EVA
core (the same material the provides cushion and shock absorbtion in the
soles of running shoes) and either a polar fleece or lycra liner. The
Nordiform was designed to be heating in the boot with a Nordiform heating
device. After heating the boot for a set amount of time, you would put the
skier in the boot and let it cool. This was supposed to allow the EVA core
material to mold around the skiers foot. It did not work very well. The
Raichle approach which (worked much better) was to heat up the liners (the
liners came in two densities, high density and medium. The higher density
was more firm and would keep its shape for a longer period of time. It was
designed for a more aggressive skier. The medium was more cushy and
comforable for a less agressive skier) place them on the skier and than
place the both skier and liner in the boot shell. If done right, this
method working very well and required little or no fit adjustment on the
part of the boot fitter. The Themoflex design works very well with the
Raichle type shell design and horribly with the traditional 4 buckle over
lap boot design. I learned this first hand when I molded a pair of High
Density liners for both my Tecnica TNT Avs's and my old San Marco hard
shell snowboard boots. I skied one run in my Tecnicas with the Thermoflex
liners in them and found out pressure points that I never knew I had or
wanted to have (shin, ankle and boot rivets). I knew after about 4 turns
that this was a very bad marriage between shell and liner. On the other
hand, the Thermflex liner in my San Marcos (which is very similar in
design to the Raichles) are a dream come true in boot comfort. No pressure
points, pain or rivets. I have had the liners in my San Marcos for the
past 5 seasons and put in over 200 days on them (they are washable so no
boot stink). Back to the Nordoform, Nordica abandoned their failed project
about 2 years ago. Not only did they abandon the liners, the also gave up
on the shell they were using them in, the GP series. The GP series was
designed to be a nicer friendlier version of the most copied shell design
of modern day boot design the Grand Prix. I never saw the Grand Prix come
with the Nordiform liner (but that does not mean they don't exist) I know
how uncomfortable the Nordica boot is with the Nordiform liner (being a
bootfitter, I try on everything that I sell and they felt horrible out of
the box) and do not believe that you can do much to improve their comfort.
They only options you have is to get an after market liner (Zipfit or
Conformable) or just replace the boots.
Scott
yu...@NOSPAM.lansol.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I got a pair of nice looking pair of Nordica Grand Prix Racing Ski
> Boots last year. Last week was the first time I've ever use them.
> The inner boot liner is labeled "Custom Pro" "Nordiform". It's not
> soft and cushy like my previous ski boots. My feet (the bones) hurt
> like hell after using them last week? Size wise (width & length) they
> fit perfectly. It's the inner boot that's not very comfortable.
>
> Anybody familiar with Nordica's inner boot called "Nordiform"? Do
> they require break in? If so, how many times do I have to wear them
> before my feet stop hurting?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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thanks you very much for the in-depth information. So you think even
trying to heat the boot liner up is a lost cause? You think I should
just abandon these boot liners altogether? Are these Nordiform boot
liners that bad?
What is the procedure for heating up these Nordiform boot liners?
What temperature (in oven) and for how long?
thanks again for your help.
On 4 Feb 2000 11:59:48 -0600, Scott Brashier <sco...@mciworld.com>
wrote:
SCsports.com
Our Store, Snow Country, received liners from Nordica to replaced all of the
Nordiform liners. The store in which you bought these from should be able
to demand the same. Now that Nordica's consolidation with all the other
Benetton brands is complete Nordica may not be able to get your shop the
liners though. (When they moved they left a lot of their parts in Vermont,
and when you call on the phone you get to talk with Prince tennis people who
know zero about ski boots).
Thanks,
Mike Waldert
Online Manager
www.snowcountrysports.com
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