Ski jackets
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Ice or Columbia but probably gonna pick up a Sun Ice jacket and ski pants
tomorrow. Any ideas?
snowcat
I have a Columbia full suit. I paid about $150.
In short, this suit is a warhorse. You can beat
the crap out of Columbia stuff, and it's always
ready for the next run. No duct tape needed. I'm
NEVER cold in this suit. I'm usually too warm.
You could wear nothing under it 'cept a T-shirt, and
be ready for just about any kind of weather you're
likely to encounter. The only wish I have is that
it had a hood. This would keep the wind off my collar,
but turtle fleece, etc.. takes up any slack.
You can spend 10 times the money, and get nothing
more except funky designs and colors. Some of those
suits are pretty cool, but I wouldn't risk beating them
up like I can to my Columbia. Save your money and buy a
better pair of boots. A $500 ski suit won't help you turn
any better.
snow cat
chan jason
This is a matter of opinion......so here's mine...
I own a CB Sports shell, a Columbia Bugaboo, and a Descente (don't know the
model). CB decent brand and the shell I have is fairly decent. Columbia
jackets, the ones with the zip out lining (Bugaboo is one one the models) is
good for keeping you warm while NOT skiing. In my opinion, the Columbia's are
too BULKY....I feel like the "stay-puff" marshmello man when I wear it. This
"bulkiness" tends to feel restricting when skiing.
I LOVE my Descente jacket. It is much lighter and thinner than my Columbia
but keeps me just as warm.
But don't forget PRICE. While the Descente is very nice...it is also very
expensive....it cost me a hefty $460!!!!! The Columbia was $160.
One more thing, the Columbia's sometimes not feel very bulky when you first
buy it, but many have told me that they tend to puff out with use.
As always, some skiers in this group my disagree with the above.
Hope this helps,
Jason
jch...@umbc8.umbc.edu
University of Maryland Baltimore County
D.R....@massey.ac.nz
>Ice or Columbia but probably gonna pick up a Sun Ice jacket and ski pants
>tomorrow. Any ideas?
>
I bought a Columbia jacket last season and frankly I am disappointed. It
was a "Gondwana" (don't know if it goes by same name in the States -- it's
a "3-in-1" system jacket with detachable fleece inner which can be worn
as a jacket on its own. The hood is also detachable). Although advertised
as "shower proof" the outer shell material seems to act more like a sponge
than a repellant. Also has a couple of worrying design features -- I have
come close to catching the side pockets on T-bars a number of times (these
pockets don't have zips so you can't close them). Also the detachable hood
is a pain -- I prefer those that you can stuff into the collar.
Furthermore, the inner fleece jacket is very thin and the fleece has
"bobbled" considerably (apparently this is a sign of poor quality material).
IMHO, Columbia gear is more fashion hype that sensible design. I am not
familiar with the other brand down under in NZ. Good buying!
BCJackson (alias DUpton)
Ski Bum (and occasional 'Training Consultant')
conrad wong
> more except funky designs and colors. Some of those
> suits are pretty cool, but I wouldn't risk beating them
> up like I can to my Columbia. Save your money and buy a
> better pair of boots. A $500 ski suit won't help you turn
> any better.
>
> snow cat
cool. another person out there who likes columbia stuff. yeah, i could
have spent more on a nicer outfit, but i'd rather have my new skis or new
boots. expensive clothes are totally useless, who the hell am i trying
to impress on the slopes? definitely not snobby the assholes wearing
$2000 north face suits. columbia rules.
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> cool. another person out there who likes columbia stuff. yeah, i could
> have spent more on a nicer outfit, but i'd rather have my new skis or new
> boots. expensive clothes are totally useless, who the hell am i trying
> to impress on the slopes? definitely not snobby the assholes wearing
> $2000 north face suits. columbia rules.
>
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> | Conrad Wong | ..highway 50 and there's |
> | University of Nevada, Reno | nobody there!!!!! |
> | wo...@pogonip.scs.unr.edu | -jello |
> ---------------------------- ----------------------------
>
>
I'll have to disagree on the North Face comment. TRUE there are alot of snobs
out there who think that the best equipment will make them better skiers. Well
I bought a pair of North Face pants three years ago because they were the ONLY
pants in the store that fit me! (Long legs) These pants are the warmest, lightest, and driest pants I have owned since I started skiing. Well, after two years of abuse
I managed to break both side zippers on them by hitting numerous gates with them. I
duct taped them together for the rest of the season, and returned them to the shop
which sent them back. Guess what, they fixed them and I didn't have to pay for squat!
These pantsare the best, as is North Face (IMHO). When I replace my jacket you can
bet it will be North Face.
Mark
Don't judge people by what they wear. Judge them by what they say.
tak...@vaxg.isc.rit.edu
I own two The North Face Ski parka... one is the Rage model and the
other is the Extreme Gear model.. and they are very warm and very durable...
I've taken many fall and TNF takes on the licking. With a sweatshirt
as a lining... it eliminates the feeling of bulkiness. :)
TNF is all time favorite for me...
Ty
conrad wong
wow. you must be a ski god or something, you've got two the north face
parkas. you must really care a lot of what other people are thinking of
you as you are falling down the mountain.
Mark Day
>I have a Columbia full suit. I paid about $150.
>In short, this suit is a warhorse. You can beat
>the crap out of Columbia stuff, and it's always
>ready for the next run. No duct tape needed.
No duct tape? Until I read that I thought that you might be
a Real(tm) skier. Perhaps you have your required ration of
duct tape on some other piece of equipment?
--
Mark Day
Dept. of Pharmaceutical Chemistry md...@picasso.ucsf.edu
University of California, San Francisco
(415) 476-1068
conrad wong
> But don't forget PRICE. While the Descente is very nice...it is also very
> expensive....it cost me a hefty $460!!!!! The Columbia was $160.
wow, you are absolutely insane (or have very rich parents) for paying that
much for a descente jacket. do you know what you could have purchased for
that kind of money? well, i'll tell you what i got for $460. 1994 marker
m51 graphite bindings AND (key word in post) 1994 tecnica tnt rs boots.
that is just my opinion though.
NB7240000-McneelegePA(DR2614)253
Near the end of the first season, the inside seam of the shell was
torn open and a month later another inside seam was shredded
open. I called Columbia. They had me send the jacket
back at my cost (I made the mistake of sending only the shell) and
then I had to send the liner back inorder for them to do a full
replacement. They sent the wrong color, so I had them
reinburse me to send the replacement back. It cost me about
$10 in shipping cost to get a replacement and it took about
3-4 wks to finally get all this done.
Early last season I bought a pair of Columbia insulated pants.
In late Feb, the outside front seam busted open. I just sewed
the pants myself (and they look pretty bad) instead of sending them back for
repair.
I'm not an agressive skier, so I'm beginning to doubt Columbia
quality. Eventhough I didn't get any hassle in returning
the jacket, it's still takes time to get things repaired or
replaced. Also, the first Columbia jacket I had probably lost
all water/weather-proofness within a few years. My next jacket
will probably be North Face or Marmot (if I can ever afford one).
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rik...@ibm.net
(In theory they get some rejects and some stuff that just does not sell).
No duct tape yet, and I have skiied a lot with it.
Bruno Melli
(Dual Standard [SCUM]) wrote:
> What is a good brand name ski jacket to get? I'm looking at either Sun
> Ice or Columbia but probably gonna pick up a Sun Ice jacket and ski pants
> tomorrow. Any ideas?
If you don't need goretex Boulder gear makes a great ski jacket.
It has everything a ski jackets should have:
- mesh lining.
- pit zips.
- powder skirt. (a skirt inside the jacket so that snow can't get in)
- hood.
- large pockets.
- large collar so you have enough room for neck gator, t-neck...
- long enough to cover your butt.
It also has these nice touches:
- chamoix in one of the upper pocket so that you can clean your goggles.
- an opening on the top of the hood that you can open or close with velcro.
(I'm not sure what that one is for. Escape route if your head
gets too big ?)
- inside collar so that you snow doesn't get in your neck.
I bought mine on sale last spring and just love it. It has a solar lock
fabric whatever that is. I had a TNF jacket without pit zips before and
I like the Boulder gear jacket much better. You can tell it was designed by
a skier.
bruno.
Michael S. Tetuan
: On 10 Nov 1994, chan jason wrote:
: > But don't forget PRICE. While the Descente is very nice...it is also very
: > expensive....it cost me a hefty $460!!!!! The Columbia was $160.
: wow, you are absolutely insane (or have very rich parents) for paying that
: much for a descente jacket. do you know what you could have purchased for
: that kind of money? well, i'll tell you what i got for $460. 1994 marker
: m51 graphite bindings AND (key word in post) 1994 tecnica tnt rs boots.
: that is just my opinion though.
Well, why not spill out that much for a Descente jacket that will
last you a lifetime. I have a Descente jacket now ans totally love it.
Mine was only about $320 because it does not have solar alpha. I went
through FOUR Columbia jackets @about $150 a piece in 6 years. Not very
economical, THE WORD FOR COLUMBIA-SHITTY SKI GEAR, unless you are trying
to look good, go with a Descente. It is smart.
Later...
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conrad wong
> - an opening on the top of the hood that you can open or close with velcro.
> (I'm not sure what that one is for. Escape route if your head
> gets too big ?)
it is a head vent, to let off steam :]
Lerman1
conrad wong <wo...@pogonip.scs.unr.edu> writes: "you must really care a lot
of what other people are thinking of you as you are falling down the
mountain."
I fear it's you who is truly concerned about what other people are
thinking about you. What do you possibly care what other people wear? If
some guy thinks Columbia jackets are bulky and ill-designed and he can
afford some great skiwear, what of it? You are the true snob. You have
probably also never skied in really good skiwear or you wouldn't say it
doesn't matter what you wear. I don't hear you saying it doesn't matter
what you ski on, do I ? You're all fired up abou running out for your new
Markers and new Tecnicas and you fault someone who likes a perfectly
functional North Face jacket? Skiwear is just as functional as bindings
and gboots and skis, and if people can afford it, why shouldn't they buy
what they like, and nort worry about what other poeple, like you, think?
Skiing is for everyone. You do not have a monopoly on some holy
understanding of it. Pardon the typos; they are a product of my vehemence.
chan jason
conrad wong <wo...@pogonip.scs.unr.edu> wrote:
---snip----snip---snip---
>hey bud, the people out there buying expensive stuff like that really don't
>care what i think. i don't control any part of the ski industry, i
>can't dictate what is to be bought. although tnf ipo would have been
>one of the best stock picks, oh well i can always hope that igt does
>better than last few years' "poor" performance (split twice,
>essentially quadrupling). who am i to tell them what to buy or what not to
>buy? get real. am i not allowed my fraction of a dollar's (two cents)
>worth here? who are you to tell me that i can't tell someone else not to
>buy something because it is good or bad? are you the internet police
>
>> Skiing is for everyone. You do not have a monopoly on some holy
>
>so now you are trying to say that snowboarding is not for everyone?
>where do you get off stating so many of your views in one post? you're
>as bad as me. monopoly? is there a web site for that classic game?
Mr. Wong and everyone else,
I think we are all beating a dead horse here!!! Looking at Mr. Wong's come
backs to the on going argument, it's looking like drowning people "grasping for
straws" to stay alive.
The bottom line, Mr. Wong, is that nobody minds you giving your opinions on a
given subject....but instead you have started off FLAMING people (including me)
for buying North Face, Descente, and other more expensive stuff. Give your
OPINIONS on the subject (which is always appreciated) but don't go off putting
down people!!!!
I and others have expressed our dislike for Columbia skiwear....but you don't
people saying something like, "Columbia sucks, and those who buy their stuff
are just poor f**kers who can't afford......"
This newsgroup is the one of the few newsgroups where almost all postings are
responded to without people having an attitude toward one another.
I hope it stays that way!!!!
Jason
conrad wong
> I fear it's you who is truly concerned about what other people are
> thinking about you. What do you possibly care what other people wear? If
> some guy thinks Columbia jackets are bulky and ill-designed and he can
> afford some great skiwear, what of it? You are the true snob. You have
ok, maybe i am the "true snob". what of it? but i really think that you
are.
> probably also never skied in really good skiwear or you wouldn't say it
ah, that is where you are wrong amigo. i have used tnf extensively in
conditions that were probably worse than you have ever been in (or will
ever be in). yeah, i'm talking about alaska. sure it holds up good under
90+ mph wind driven snow at -40 (wind chill not calculated, but when it
gets down past -100, who can feel the difference?), but seriously, is it
really worth the price?
> doesn't matter what you wear. I don't hear you saying it doesn't matter
> what you ski on, do I ? You're all fired up about running out for your new
but it does matter what i wear. i care just as much as the next guy
(pardon the cliche), even more so i would imagine.
> Markers and new Tecnicas and you fault someone who likes a perfectly
who the hell is talking about markers and tecnicas anyways?
> functional North Face jacket? Skiwear is just as functional as bindings,
the north face. north face could mean many things.
> boots, and skis. If people can afford it, why shouldn't they buy
> what they like, not worrying about what other poeple, like you, think?
hey bud, the people out there buying expensive stuff like that really don't
care what i think. i don't control any part of the ski industry, i
can't dictate what is to be bought. although tnf ipo would have been
one of the best stock picks, oh well i can always hope that igt does
better than last few years' "poor" performance (split twice,
essentially quadrupling). who am i to tell them what to buy or what not to
buy? get real. am i not allowed my fraction of a dollar's (two cents)
worth here? who are you to tell me that i can't tell someone else not to
buy something because it is good or bad? are you the internet police?
> Skiing is for everyone. You do not have a monopoly on some holy
so now you are trying to say that snowboarding is not for everyone?
where do you get off stating so many of your views in one post? you're
as bad as me. monopoly? is there a web site for that classic game?
> understanding of it. Pardon the typos; they are a product of my vehemence.
don't worry i corrected some of your typos, pal. but some of those
grammatical errors were beyond me. thanks for your input.
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| Conrad Wong | ..highway 50 and there's |
| University of Nevada, Reno | nobody there!!!!! |
| wo...@pogonip.scs.unr.edu | -jello |
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| Triple-Major Biology, Geography, and of course English |
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conrad wong
> economical, THE WORD FOR COLUMBIA-SHITTY SKI GEAR, unless you are trying
> to look good, go with a Descente. It is smart.
are you saying that columbia ski wear looks good? or descente ski wear
looks good? i don't think that columbia ski wear is the best looking
clothes for skiing. the best looking would have to be spyder.
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BOBSKI2DIE
writes:
I ski about 45 days a year. All I ski in is powder suits. The suit I am
working on now is an "Inside Edge". When I purchased it 4+ years ago, I
paid a whole $109 for the suit. I figured I would get about 1/2 a season
out of it. It's thin, it dosen't have any gee whiz layers like Gore-Tex or
Entrant. I soak it down with Camp Dry, at a fraction of the cost of Scotch
Guard, a few times a season. When it really gets COLD, I toss my Columbia
powder suit in my ski bag. The real cheap powder suit has served me well
for several years. I will buy another one...
Work To Live
Live To Ski
SKI "2" DIE
BOB[SKI2DIE]WHITE
David Garr
: In article <Pine.OSF.3.90.941111...@pogonip.scs.unr.edu>,
: conrad wong <wo...@pogonip.scs.unr.edu> writes: "you must really care a lot
: of what other people are thinking of you as you are falling down the
: mountain."
: I fear it's you who is truly concerned about what other people are
: thinking about you. What do you possibly care what other people wear? If
: some guy thinks Columbia jackets are bulky and ill-designed and he can
: afford some great skiwear, what of it? You are the true snob. You have
: probably also never skied in really good skiwear or you wouldn't say it
Also, I'd like to share some of my thoughts. Three years ago, i was
looking at ski jackets. After looking around a *lot*, i found a spyder
jacket on sale for less then half price (it was from the year before).
It cost me just over $200, and it was money well spent. After three
years, it's still in almost perfect condition, and i plan to keep it for
three more. The thing is bulletproof. While wearing it in everything,
including pouring rain, i've never gotten wet (great hood). Also, it's
extremely warm. Even in -30 degrees at Jay, warmth was never a problem.
Oh, and btw, at the end of last winter, a zipper broke when i yanked it
too hard. They fixed it, no questions asked, and even replaced some of
the others that were worn out.
Dave