Warning RE: Scott Barak Abraham
Carl and Anna
Scott Miller wrote:
>
> QUIT WASTING BANDWIDTH WITH THIS SOAP OPERA BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scott,
We sincerely regret any inconvenience to any RSA reader that the messages
about Scott Abraham are causing. However, given Mr Abraham's tendancies
to post lengthy, argumentative and abusive messages to many RSA readers,
in addition to his mailings threatening blackmail, we felt that we needed
to provide readers with additional insight into the type of individual
that he is. Mr Abraham's behavior, both now and in the past, has
seriously degraded a once enjoyable newsgroup, and if the messages you
are criticizing help restore RSA to what it once was, they will have
served well.
Carl(r)
Carl and Anna
Hello to all in RSA. PirAnha here to warn all RSA posters. For those of you who have been following RSA for a
while you know what Scott Barak Abraham is capable of in his posts. Now you are about to see what he is
capable of behind the scenes. What follows is extremely personal yet I must post because of Scott’s blackmail
and threats.
A summary - on February 10 of this year I went on a ski trip with Scott. Stupidly I made the worst decision of
my life and chose to have sex with him. Due to some of his behavior on the last days of the trip and after I
returned home, I decided that I did not want any further sexual or romantic relationship with him. During our
trip all he said was “you are a nice divertissement, nothing more. That’s all this is.”
Concurrently I was in a long distance relationship which the other party was in the middle of breaking off and
also had been corresponding on a platonic level since mid-January with Carl(r) Norcross.
I tried to tell Scott I wanted nothing more than a friendship and he replied that he cared for me as no
more than a friend. I thought we would be able to retain a sort of friendly correspondence. I told Scott that
I wanted to take one more skiing trip before the season ended in April and that Carl had said that if I went to
Vail, he would meet me there and we could ski and do dinner. After hearing of this, Scott became quite angry -
accusing me of using him and then accused me of having a relationship with Carl prior to my going on the ski
trip. First of all - There is no way Scott was used - I paid my way for everything on this trip. And second
of all - there is no way I would have gone on the trip with Scott if I had already had a relationship with
Carl. The reasons are so obvious. At this point, Scott began to badger me by phone and email - and was so
awful to deal with that I stopped my attempts at trying to remain friends and quit talking and writing him
altogether.
Subsequently, Carl invited me out to ski toward the end of March and I drove out. We ended up not going to
Vail, but instead fell in love at first sight. During that time, there was the flame war going on between
Scott and Tina (TC). I posted a note stating that the two of them should knock it off and behave. Scott sent
me an email attacking my lack of friendship and for not standing up for him and put it in the most foul of
terms as is his wont. At this point in time, Scott had no idea that Carl had asked me to marry him. But in
the coming weeks he had guessed what was afoot by the comments I had been making re: the Darling Norcross.
Scott attempted a bit of blackmail - that if I posted anything regarding my relationship with Carl then the
Carl, my past lovers, readers of RSA, etc. would be treated to a whole rendition of our sordid sexual affair -
including a supposed answering machine tape of phone sex between Scott and myself. Scott also wrote his filthy
crap to Carl in an effort to break us up and when that failed he resorted to name calling - what a bully. Hence
the reason that neither Carl(r) nor I have been doing much posting to RSA.
But today’s little missive from Scott was the last straw. I am disgusted with myself and the total lapse of
discretion on my part. But I refuse to bow down to this bully. Read on people - it may not be seemly to air
one’s dirty laundry in public, but I do this for two reasons - so that Scott has nothing to hold over me and
that all of you who post to RSA may finally know what kind of a person Scott Barak Abraham is. Everything I
told him prior to the trip regarding my relationships, my family history, EVERYTHING - has been turned against
me in the most vile way. What has been even worse is his posturing of being a poor victimized RSA poster who
is just a nifty guy with a slightly risqué sense of humor. And what is truly bothersome is that this man is
actually going to be counseling people on a professional level. Also disgusting is his assertion that he
“loved me” and that we “made love” and sees himself as some sort of cuckolded man. Ideas which even now make
me sick to my stomach. But though I have to live with the memories of my past behavior, I refuse to allow
myself to live with Scott’s threats.
I would like to say that I think Scott actually believes that he was this poor maligned soul who gave gifts (I
repeatedly told him not to and paid for the skis which he picked up for me. It is amazing how he twists
reality and the truth and then firmly believes what he makes up.
So in conclusion - Scott said that the whole trip was only a divertissement and that he would not want it to
continue afterwards and when I took him at his word he became remarkably disgusting, vile, vindictive,
threatening and attempted a veiled form of blackmail. All for exerting my free will to have a relationship
with someone other than him.
Read on - all letters are unedited in their entirety.
From ???@??? Mon Apr 15 15:25:27 1996
Received: from mhub2-loc.tc.umn.edu by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 96 15:27:22 -0500
Received: from mail1.halcyon.com by mhub2.tc.umn.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 96 15:27:19 -0500
Received: from 204.29.17.89 (blv-pm12-ip29.halcyon.com) by halcyon.com with SMTP id AA12145
(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <dewi...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>); Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:27:15 -0700
Message-Id: <3172C0...@halcyon.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:32:58 -0800
From: Scott Barak Abraham <scot...@halcyon.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
Mime-Version: 1.0
To: Anna DeWitt <dewi...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: All skiers!
References: <4keudp$1...@baldrick.trimble.co.nz> <4kgdhb$3...@centauri.hq.nasa.gov> <4kgkte$i...@fcnews.fc.hp.com>
<4kmj01$8v4...@chem.nwu.edu> <4kmrh1$d...@news.xmission.com> <4koedf$7...@news.nstn.ca>
<317271...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I'd give you congratulations, but I feel sorry for Carl. He's a nice guy, and he does not deserve such a
lying, vicious, sadistic little bitch.
Let me keep this short.
As the depth and concious intent to deceive of your manipulations and
lies becomes apparent, I weary of your passive agressive anger. You know damn well that posting this would
hurt me, and you did so with glee, as you do to all of your exes.
But I don't do passive agression.
I do agression.
I don't lie, as you well know.
I tell the truth, and I have the urge to tell the truth about you.
So if I ever again think that you are sticking the knife in my back again, I think I shall flame you...by
telling Carl, Joseph, rsa, and anybody else exactly how you lied to him, to me, about him, about me, about your
intent, about your actions, about damn near everything, etc.
I'm sure Carl will find it interesting reading. If I knew him better, I'd do it anyway. The refrain of an old
song comes to mind, "No one told me about her.....the way she lied."
He is welcome to you.
And I want to be rid of you, and not be subjected to your slimy posings when enjoying rsa.
Real simple, asshole.
Stick the knife in again, and I'll take a chainsaw to your carefully constructed facade, for all to see,
including that poor dumb sumbitch who is buying your act.
You are no friend of mine, and never were.
Fuck off
Scott
From ???@??? Mon Apr 15 16:45:16 1996
Received: from mhub0-loc.tc.umn.edu by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 96 16:49:20 -0500
Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by mhub0.tc.umn.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 96 16:49:19 -0500
Received: from LOCALNAME (ftc-co1-07.ix.netcom.com [204.32.169.39]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12)
with SMTP id OAA07691; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:52:44 -0700
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:52:44 -0700
Message-Id: <1996041521...@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com>
X-Sender: no...@ix.netcom.com
X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To: scot...@halcyon.com
From: no...@ix.netcom.com (Carl Norcross)
Subject: Anna
Scott
Anna has sent copies of your last several messages to her, including
today's. She's also given me details of her ski trip with you.
I've spent a lot of time with her over the past few weeks - enough, given my
15 years experience of being a cynical corporate recruiter, to get a really
good handle on her and her personality. I find absolutely no correlation
between what you've written about her and what she is.
In other words, my friend, I'm not some poor dumb sumbitch. Back off, OK?
You've had the last word in your email to Anna, so let it go.
Peace, bro
Carl(r)
From ???@??? Mon Apr 22 08:07:21 1996
To: scot...@halcyon.com
From: no...@ix.netcom.com (Carl Norcross)
Subject: Knock it off
Cc:
Bcc:
X-Attachments:
Scott,
I've asked you a couple of times to just chill out over what you perceive to be your victimization by Anna.
You have, however, recently made a couple of posts alluding to her (and, I assume, Stephanie) to be bitches and
to your more recent accusations that Anna has somehow arranged for the person fron Duke to attack you and the
"sexualization" of a relationship.
Anna, btw, did neither. I think what you're dealing with here is something that you would have liked to have
been a relationship, but the other party wasn't interested. This happens more than it doesn't. Been there a
whole lot of times myself. The trick is to learn to get over it and move on to someone who does want the same
things.
Knock off the public allegations, though.
Carl(r)
Return-Path: <scot...@halcyon.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 07:59:28 -0800
From: Scott Barak Abraham <scot...@halcyon.com>
To: Carl Norcross <no...@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Knock it off
References: <1996042213...@ix.ix.netcom.com>
Carl Norcross wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> I've asked you a couple of times to just chill out over what you perceive to
> be your victimization by Anna.
Not perception, Carl.
Fact.
Which you are quite well aware, being a rather dishonest little asshole yourself.
Such lovely little e-mails you sent to the cuckolded fool, knowing full well that Anna had dumped me but just
hadn't gotten around to letting me know about it. Or did she say she had? Another lie. I learned all I know on
rsa. Very healthy way
to communicate, eh?
Really is sick shit, Carl, and only a very deluded man continues to attempt to protect a sociopathic predator.
And only a very deluded men rides to the rescue on his white charger. You ought to ask yourself how she will
treat you when the time comes. Perhaps she will fuck your best friend. Perhaps you will find out on the net.
Should be interesting-so
drop me a line when the time comes and I shall be delighted to explain this particular dynamic: it is a classic
in the literature and Anna fulfills the specifications as if she were a test case.
So if Anna continues to lie, and I continue to get any further communication from you two lovebirds, I might
just get tempted to post the entire sordid story.
Names, dates, hyena cackle and all. And when Anna's lawyer calls, it shall be my pleasure to provide them with
a tape of a certain conversation. Seems that the answering machine picked up as I did, and taped an hours
worth of conversation
just before the Banff trip. I asked her specifically about her relationship with you and the going ons in rsa,
as I had a sense that there was more to the situation than met the eye.
Needless to say, the bitch lied through her teeth.
Needless to say, I can prove it.
I won't bother to mention what happened at the end of the tape. Suffice to say, it would cast a different
light on certain twists I have no doubt she put on history, along with blowing any claims to victimization to
shreds.
This is known as the smoking gun, in legal circles.
And if I really wanted to play catch-up on the cunt, I would have used it earlier.
In light of what has happened, it is quite a revealing exercise in manipulation.
But I don't want a damn thing to do with either of you.
> You have, however, recently made a couple of
> posts alluding to her (and, I assume, Stephanie) to be bitches and to your
> more recent accusations that Anna has somehow arranged for the person fron
> Duke to attack you and the "sexualization" of a relationship.
>
> Anna, btw, did neither.
Sure as hell did one of them, and you are a fool if you think otherwise. She uses her sexuality to exploit
men, and she has few other relationships. She has no friends other than men she has fucked, which would tell
you something if you
weren't so fucking stupid yourself.
She is a pathological liar who is on the cusp of making literally hundreds of thousands of dollars. She
doesn't have a pot to piss in and can't get credit, is dead broke, and living with her mother with no way to
finance law school. If I
were in her shoes, I'd lie too.
I think what you're dealing with here is something
> that you would have liked to have been a relationship, but the other party
> wasn't interested. This happens more than it doesn't. Been there a whole
> lot of times myself. The trick is to learn to get over it and move on to
> someone who does want the same things.
What we are dealing with here is a sociopathic bitch who thoroughly enjoys wreaking emotional violence on her
exes, and has been deliberately and knowingly doing so through the usenet. What we are dealing with here is a
stone-cold predator who systematically used the net to find herself some man stupid enough to finance her way
through law school.
You will note, Carl, that after I caught on to her act, I walked away: I have only responded to Anna's
deliberate and vicious passive agressive emotional violence on the net. Something tells me that the copies of
the letters I sent her
that she sent you were altered a bit, to say the least. I have asked her to cease and desist. I said ouch,
damn loudly, and that is my prerogative ethically and morally, for she flat used me and then had the pure
sadistic joy of abusing me.
I have no doubt that she wants something else.
Fortunately, I am not that man.
I don't want the bitch, Carl.
I don't want to have a damn thing to do with her.
I shall be delighted if I never hear from her again.
You win.
She's all yours.
Enjoy.
In the meantime, keep your bullshit advice to yourself. I have no problem
accepting that you two are the love story of the century and I am out of the
picture.
I'm delighted, actually, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
You deserve each other.
>
> Knock off the public allegations, though.
Wondered why I put up with assholes like Duke and assholes like you and Anna. Did the smart thing. Hit the
little button that says unsubscribe.
If Anna happens to be innocent of this particular little lie, so be it. Didn't name her. Sure wouldn't put it
past her.
She is not innocent, however, of every other lie I accuse her of, and I can prove it in court. E-mails and
tape.
So if I want to make public allegations, I most certainly shall, with no fear whatsoever of any legal problems.
Unlike Anna, however, I do suffer from having a conscience, and I see no point in doing so: revenge is a
pointless exercise and I
already have the best revenge....I am rid of the bitch.
But I'd be a lot happier if I never, ever, hear her name again.
Or yours.
So do me a favor, Carl, because I weary of you and your inamorata.
Don't ever write me again.
I won't be following your antics on rsa. Sorry about that, for I know that you both get a certain charge out
of the situation. Classic case, as I say.
Please pass along a copy of this letter to her.
Unlike her, I let to like people know what I'm saying behind their back.
And what I am saying to both of you is a hearty
Fuck off.
Return-Path: <scot...@halcyon.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:21:46 -0800
From: Scott Barak Abraham <scot...@halcyon.com>
To: no...@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Knock it off, part deux
Carl and Anna wrote:
>
> TC wrote:
> >
> > Hey Scottie,
> >
> > I see that you are out and about making friends on the net again (since
> > you give most of your old friends the hives). I am sure that everyone
> > appreciates you reminding us that you are the biggest baddest dude on
> > the net.....thanks.
> >
> > Your bud
> > Tina
>
> Tina! Nice to see you again!
>
> Carl(r) and PirAnhaHow nice to see two pathological liars get together.
You should ski together and compare notes.
In the meantime, I think I'll stop by a friends house and learn how turn
audio tape into a digital form I can post with my service provider, so
everybody can appreciate a true artist of prevarication at work.
Question #1: Anna, things are getting really strange on rsa. Are you sure there isn't something going on with
Carl?
Answer: No, I don't even......
Tune in next week for the rather embarassing details of how Anna Dewitt described her fiance while lying about
her relationships, her motivations, her intentions, her....everything. Or knock off the vicious little remarks,
Carl and Anna. As you might have learned, I do not lie...and I do not tolerate liars.
You guys are gonna love the answer.
You're gonna love the x-rated part even better.
Vail: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ps. I kept a full archive of Anna's letters to me, along with this particular smoking gun.
I have kept our particular dispute off the net, folks, and I trust you will have the class to do the same.
Neither of you had such class a few months ago when Anna delighted in deliberately inflicting pain on someone
who's only crime was to catch her in the act and call her on her bullshit, and Carl bragged about his trophy
wife and how he put the horns on ol' Two Buddha....yet I confined my complaints about Anna's duplicity,
cruelty, and predatory manipulations to private e-mail.
I am not surprised that you cheer on TC's libelous inventions, as Anna is quite facile at constructing her own.
Birds of a feather flock together, etc.
Unlike Anna, I have respected the privacy of e-mail.
I no longer consider myself bound to do so.
Shut the fuck up, folks, and keep your petty little cruelties to
yourself, or I shall, in my far more honest fashion, indulge in a bit of cruelty myself.
Couldn't happen to a nicer couple.
And I hate to tell you this, but it is all perfectly legal. Checked it out with my own house AAG at a dinner
at my house, who seems to think she owes me a big favor, and who loathes women like Anna. Her boss happens to
be at the same Shabbat dinner. Member of my synagogue. Anna made lovely dinner conversation. Both women have
known me for years,
folks, and I've helped out both in very delicate situations. There's something about women like Anna that
reflects poorly on all honest female attorneys, and these women react very strongly to lawyers, or wannabes,
that have no regard for the truth. They loathe goldiggers even more. Plus, they happen to be friends of mine,
and they don't like women who needlessly inflict emotional pain on their old buddy. Suffice
to say that if we get into a pissing match, I shall be represented pro bono by one of the most respected AAG's
in the state, and we shall be delighted to share the proceedings with every single person either one of you
jerks know.
Not that it would last long, mind you.
You see, I know liars quite well. I know what Anna has to do to
maintain her credibility. And I really, really don't like being lied about.
Do yourself, and me, a big favor.
Act as if I don't exist, and I shall return the favor.
Continue to be a couple of smarmy assholes, and I shall play your game.
It's very simple.
I think one of you is a sociopath, and the other is just a aging asshole who just bought himself a wife young
enough to be his daughter.
Sure is going to impress the guys at Vail, eh?
Are we having fun yet, guys?
You might notice that when I dig in the knife, I let you know it is coming. One of my more charming
characteristics is that unlike you two, I am an honest asshole.
I'm sure you don't like me either.
Such is life.
But if you don't trash me, folks, it shall be my priviledge to
cheerfully ignore your posings.
Pour any more salt in the wounds, and I shall play catch-up.
Fair enough?
No need to reply. I shall take your continued, graceful, and classy silence as assent to my proposal. Indeed,
if I ever do hear from either if you two lovebirds again, or if you ever refer to me in any way, or if you ever
answer any of my postings, it shall be my distinct pleasure to lower myself to your level. On the other hand,
if, by some miracle,
Anna develops a conscience (or more likely, realizes that I have the power to prove, in court, that she is a
stone-cold liar. The only way to deal with a sociopath is to appeal to their self-interest.) I will return the
favor and never, ever mention either of you again, refer to you in any way, etc.
Knock off the bullshit, guys, or pay the consequences. I've taken enough crap off both of you, and I shall
take no more without responding in kind.
Nananana, heyheyhey, goodbye
Scott
Bruno Melli
Scott Miller (smi...@privatei.com) wrote:
: QUIT WASTING BANDWIDTH WITH THIS SOAP OPERA BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
While I would tend to agree in general, this newsgroup is so dead
in the summer that I don't really care if some individuals use it
to wash their dirty laundry in public. Hopefully they'll get it out
of their system by the time next season is in full swing.
It always amazes me that people would choose a public network to
openly vent their problems. I guess once you post on RSA you become
part of a big family...
bruno.
Scott Miller
Scott Miller
Carl and Anna wrote:
> Scott,
>
> We sincerely regret any inconvenience to any RSA reader that the messages
> about Scott Abraham are causing. However, given Mr Abraham's tendancies
> to post lengthy, argumentative and abusive messages to many RSA readers,
> in addition to his mailings threatening blackmail, we felt that we needed
> to provide readers with additional insight into the type of individual
> that he is. Mr Abraham's behavior, both now and in the past, has
> seriously degraded a once enjoyable newsgroup, and if the messages you
> are criticizing help restore RSA to what it once was, they will have
> served well.
While all you have just said seems to be true, maybe you should consider
reposting a summary of that last one, because I highly doubt anyone,
even people who care, will sit down and read a 10K long conglomeration
of flames amongst you guys.
If your personal problems are making RSA unenjoyable for you, well so be
it. Leave. I have no problems with this group except for the
increasing number of advertisements showing up. I have a simple
solution to Abrahamas posts- its called a kill file. I am seriously
considering adding yourself to it as well. Please remember, this is a
group for discussion of alpine skiing, not personal soap operas, whether
or not they involve a few other people that also happen to read this.
If you could honestly say this involves or impacts more than a fraction
of 1% of all RSA readers, maybe I would feel differently.
Perhaps a rec.skiing.alpine.personalproblems is needed :)
Scott
Doug Taylor
Scott Miller <smi...@privatei.com> wrote:
>If your personal problems are making RSA unenjoyable for you, well so be
>it. Leave. I have no problems with this group except for the
>increasing number of advertisements showing up. I have a simple
>solution to Abrahamas posts- its called a kill file. I am seriously
>considering adding yourself to it as well. Please remember, this is a
>group for discussion of alpine skiing, not personal soap operas, whether
>or not they involve a few other people that also happen to read this.
>If you could honestly say this involves or impacts more than a fraction
>of 1% of all RSA readers, maybe I would feel differently.
>Perhaps a rec.skiing.alpine.personalproblems is needed :)
Agreed. How about rec.skiing.alpine.vail.in-crowd?
There is no place for personal b.s. unrelated to the topic of alpine
skiing in this newsgroup.
As I have posted before, I am offended by the notion that I have to
use a kill file (not available on my newsreader) to filter out or
censor extraneous, irrelevant, and offensive crap. Perhaps it is
naive to expect self-restraint from seemingly intelligent people, but
is it too much to ask some of you just to give it a rest?
Vail - where nothing is sacred.
Doug Taylor
dta...@servtech.com / "This statement is false."
Butt Dawg
On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Carl and Anna wrote:
> Hello to all in RSA. PirAnha here to warn all RSA posters.
> For those of you who have been following RSA for a while you know what
Scott Barak
> Abraham is capable of in his posts. Now you are about to see what he
is capable of
> behind the scenes. What follows is extremely personal yet I must post
because of Scott's
> blackmail and threats.
Dearest Anna & Carl,
I feel your pain, for I too have been fooled, humiliated, cuckolded and
threatened by a person that calls himself Two Buddha. Yes, I slept with
him. Yes, I deeply regret it. He promised me a pair of Olin Mark 4's
with Spademan bindings and a new pair of Scott boots. I was so naive.
We were drunk. The only thing that saves me from hurling myself off a
large cliff with a hard landing is that he looked like a sheep when he
seduced me. The thought of his little buffing mitts brings tears of shame
to my eyes. He told me we'd live happily ever after in the land of powder
- Alta.
whaaaaaaaaaaa boohoo hooo hoo.
Andrew
klaus
On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:17:12 GMT, Doug Taylor (dta...@servtech.com)
felt an irresistable urge to write:
:
: Agreed. How about rec.skiing.alpine.vail.in-crowd?
:
How about rec.skiing.alpine.crippled-newsreader?
Or rec.skiing.alpine.moderated? You could even be the moderator! That
way no one would have to read anything *you* find objectionable.
: There is no place for personal b.s. unrelated to the topic of alpine
: skiing in this newsgroup.
:
So why are you posting it?
: As I have posted before, I am offended by the notion that I have to
: use a kill file (not available on my newsreader) to filter out or
: censor extraneous, irrelevant, and offensive crap.
Yah, the only things that offend me more are :
1) People who want something for nothing.
2) People who want to tell others what they can and can't
say, and when and where thay can say it.
3) People who feel that their judgement of what is extraneous,
irrelevant, and offensive should apply to everyone.
4) People that get offended because they have a lousy
newsreader and therefore think that the "standards" of
the newsgroup should be dictated by them.
I suggest you look very closely at yesterday's Supreme Court ruling on
freedom of speech on the internet. In their words, "It deserves the
highest level of protection". I'm sure your newsreader doesn't force
you to read anything. Just go on to the next article. Try it. You may
like it.
(Good choice of words btw, "censor". Censorship is when you prevent
someone from saying it. Filtering is probably the word you were
looking for. Killfiles don't censor, they filter. Censorship is bad,
filtering is good. Censorship is telling others what not to say,
filtering is ignoring it. Which sounds better to you?)
: Perhaps it is
: naive to expect self-restraint from seemingly intelligent people, but
: is it too much to ask some of you just to give it a rest?
:
Extremely naive, and yes, it is too much. Its the internet! Take your
life into your own hands, do a little work, skip the articles you
don't want to read. Is it too much to ask some of you to just take
responsibility for what you read?
I say hurrah to Carl and Anna! Hurrah to Scott! Hurrah to ButtDawg!
Hurrah to Doug Taylor! Hurrah to Hayduke! Hurrah to anonymous posters!
Hurrah to the spammers. Hurrah to everyone that posts here and
whatever you want to post. Variety, personalities, convictions,
disagreements... it's reality, get used to it. Diversity is
great. Post whatever you wish. If I don't want to read it, I won't.
And if you think it's bad now, just wait til August.
Carry on.
-klaus
: Vail - where nothing is sacred.
:
Vail-where freedom of speech is more sacred than laziness, lousy
newsreaders, and RSA.
Carl and Anna
Butt Dawg wrote:
> Dearest Anna & Carl,
>
> I feel your pain, for I too have been fooled, humiliated, cuckolded and
> threatened by a person that calls himself Two Buddha. Yes, I slept with
> him. Yes, I deeply regret it. He promised me a pair of Olin Mark 4's
> with Spademan bindings and a new pair of Scott boots. I was so naive.
> We were drunk. The only thing that saves me from hurling myself off a
> large cliff with a hard landing is that he looked like a sheep when he
> seduced me. The thought of his little buffing mitts brings tears of shame
> to my eyes. He told me we'd live happily ever after in the land of powder
> - Alta.
>
> whaaaaaaaaaaa boohoo hooo hoo.
>
> Andrew
Mon Cretin,
I am shocked and appalled (with two p's) that Scott had the nerve to do such things to you. Perhaps an RSA
support group may be in order (alt.victims.SBA) for all those who have been thusly abused.
At least he promised you the skis.
PirAnha and Carl
Vail: Heals all wounds.
P.S. Thank you.
Bruno Melli
klaus (kl...@xmission.com) wrote:
: Or rec.skiing.alpine.moderated? You could even be the moderator! That
: way no one would have to read anything *you* find objectionable.
Won't work. He would still have to read the objectionable posts which
kind of defeat the purpose...
bruno.
TC
Anna and Carl,
I think that some people are missing the point of your post. Maybe only
those who have experienced how nasty this man can get really
understand. I feel Scott is a very angry and insecure person who lashes
out at anyone who expresses an opinion contrary to his own. Scott does
not confine his anger to the news groups but sometimes (as Anna has
pointed out) also thru e-mail, mail and telephones. I feel that anyone
who has the patience and fortitude to read thru Scott's rambling posts
will pick up on the anger, fixations and hypocrisies contained in them.
The point of Anna's and Carl's post was that Scott threatened to take
events that are very personal and potentially embarrassing to them
public(as evidenced by Scott's own letters to Anna and Carl). The only
way to combat threats like those that Scott has made to Anna is to
steal his hammer and post what had to be very personal and private
information. This act had to be very painful and took great courage. I
personally admire both of you for it. It is my hope that Scott will
loose his fixation with each of you, move on and let you live your
lives together in peace.
I have been asked by many how to get Scott to stop when he fixates on
someone. The secret is that Scott is a classic bully and therefore you
can try any or all of the following.
1) Meet him in his own playground and play his game better than he does
2) Ignore him and don't get involved in his mind games
3) Don't take him seriously. This is only a news group and if someone
wants to make an ass of himself just laugh at him.
4) He can dish it out but he can't take it.
Tina
Vail: a better place with Carl and Anna
Doug Taylor
kl...@xmission.com (klaus) pontificated:
>Extremely naive, and yes, it is too much. Its the internet! Take your
>life into your own hands, do a little work, skip the articles you
>don't want to read. Is it too much to ask some of you to just take
>responsibility for what you read?
>I say hurrah to Carl and Anna! Hurrah to Scott! Hurrah to ButtDawg!
>Hurrah to Doug Taylor! Hurrah to Hayduke! Hurrah to anonymous posters!
>Hurrah to the spammers. Hurrah to everyone that posts here and
>whatever you want to post. Variety, personalities, convictions,
>disagreements... it's reality, get used to it. Diversity is
>great. Post whatever you wish. If I don't want to read it, I won't.
The only censorship I advocate on the internet is self-censorship.
Since usenet is and should not be moderated, only self-restraint,
consideration and common courtesy forestall anarchy.
Get real, Klaus. It is patently self evident that pillow talk about
who is fucking whom and cutesy personal e-mail are irrelevant in a
newsgroup about skiing, and I am not out of line to point it out or
object to it. If anyone can post anything anywhere, including spam,
why have separate newsgroups at all? Your argument proves too much.
Having said that, since it can't be denied that it is circular
reasoning and hypocritical for me to post about the very thing I
object to, I will follow my advice and shut up. Why don't you follow
suit?
Vail - where intermediates are courteous enough to stay off the black
diamonds.
Jenson1994
i think PirAnna's post shed much needed light on SBA.
and now that its out, we can all get on with things.
jenson
learn to surf, it keeps the summers busy.
Mon Cretin
On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Scott Miller wrote:
> While all you have just said seems to be true, maybe you should consider
> reposting a summary of that last one, because I highly doubt anyone,
> even people who care, will sit down and read a 10K long conglomeration
> of flames amongst you guys.
with a nice bone. It's too good to delete. I thought it was one of the
best posting this newsgroup has ever seen. A stinking work of art. I
laughed so hard beer came out of my nose.
> Please remember, this is a
> group for discussion of alpine skiing, not personal soap operas, whether
> or not they involve a few other people that also happen to read this.
Amen. Here's some rsa meat and potates topics I'd like to discuss:
1) Anyone know of a Copper Mt. condo for rent over the 4th of July?
2) Should you mount your Snow Rangers on cord center, or 1mm back?
3) Does Garamont have a web site?
4) Is Park City closed for the winter?
5) Is $75 too much to pay for a pair of 1987 Kazama SL comps?
6) How steep is extreme?
7) Does it snow on Wednesday at Stowe?
8) Why do I keep falling over when I go skiing?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Andrew
Bill Armstrong
The 10 minutes I sifted through this led me to believe this one
of the bigger baits I have seen in this group in many a moon.
Nice try. We really care.
Too bad it was time wasted.
Cheers - Bill
Vail Zen - The runoff is peaking but the water is getting clearer
--
Bill Armstrong bill.ar...@xilinx.com
Xilinx Inc. 2585 Central Avenue, Boulder, CO 80301
(303) 413-3243
Luis Barthel-Rosa
Hmmmm... funny, I could swear I pointed my browser to
*rec.skiing.alpine* but somehow I keep ending up in
*alt.personals.love.triangle*.....
You guys should be given Honorary lifetime AOL accounts for
having this pre-teen *sandbox* war publicly out in r.s.a...
Fucking-christ almighty!!!
Thank goodness for kill files..
Luis Barthel-Rosa
Dept. of Chemistry/216
Univ. of Nevada-Reno
Reno, NV 89557
lui...@unr.edu
klaus
On 15 Jun 1996 17:29:53 GMT, Lost Lamb Luis
(lui...@equinox.unr.edu) felt an irresistable urge to write:
:
: Thank goodness for kill files..
:
Your newsreader does that?!?.. WOw... (Note: I changed the title
just to get around it ;> )
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program -
alt.as-the-bullwheel-turns.
-klaus
Vail-/Vail/j
Butt Dawg
On 17 Jun 1996, klaus misspelled "irresistible" for the 4,000th time and
declared:
> On 15 Jun 1996 17:29:53 GMT, Lost Lamb Luis
> (lui...@equinox.unr.edu) felt an irresistable urge to write:
> :
> : Thank goodness for kill files..
> :
>
> Your newsreader does that?!?.. WOw... (Note: I changed the title
> just to get around it ;> )
I usually use a newspaper to kill flies. How do you do it with your
newsreader? Maybe it's time to switch from America OnLine...
Andrew
ps - The Skillet was great. 5,000' of boot top muck that sloughed at
every turn. And mosquitoes for dessert!
Luis Barthel-Rosa
: On 15 Jun 1996 17:29:53 GMT, Lost Lamb Luis
: (lui...@equinox.unr.edu) felt an irresistable urge to write:
: :
: : Thank goodness for kill files..
klaus (kl...@xmission.com) wrote:
: Your newsreader does that?!?.. WOw... (Note: I changed the title
: just to get around it ;> )
: We now return you to your regularly scheduled program -
: alt.as-the-bullwheel-turns.
: -klaus
Wouldn't have it any other way! Thank the U. of Washington for the
"Pine" email and newsreader program, much better than "Eduora". Can't
use it through Netscape though, it's not "point-ckick-and-Kill" accessible.
Have to login the old fashioned way. But then, I can read an analog
wristwatch, so I got that going for me.
Lost Lamb-
klaus
On 17 Jun 1996 18:36:05 -0400, Butt Dawg (butt...@aol.com) felt an
irresistible urge to write:
: On 17 Jun 1996, klaus misspelled "irresistible" for the 4,000th time and
: declared:
Naw... just once. Ain't ottomation great. Thanks for pointing it out
though. Its fixed. Took yah that long huh?
:
: I usually use a newspaper to kill flies. How do you do it with your
: newsreader?
RTFM
: Maybe it's time to switch from America OnLine...
:
Yah. Most people do that shortly after they stop breastfeeding.
-klaus
Vail-this, and that.
dave
Doug Taylor (dta...@servtech.com) wrote:
: Scott Miller <smi...@privatei.com> wrote:
<<snippage>>
: Agreed. How about rec.skiing.alpine.vail.in-crowd?
we use a mailing list format. keeps out the undesirables.
: As I have posted before, I am offended by the notion that I have to
: use a kill file (not available on my newsreader) to filter out or
: censor extraneous, irrelevant, and offensive crap. Perhaps it is
: naive to expect self-restraint from seemingly intelligent people, but
: is it too much to ask some of you just to give it a rest?
care for a little fromage to go with that whine? been a little long off
snow? it's summer in the u.s. doug. many aren't doing a whole lotta skiing
and feel the need for entertainment. perhaps if you just logged back on
in the fall for the thrilling what skis should i buy? how do you ski bumps,
powder, crud, hard pack, (insert least favorite snow surface here)? i've
never skiied in the west, us, europe, (insert possible travel destination
here) where should i go? where are the best runs at Xxxx? snowboarders,
eurons, skiiers, people who wear funny hats, (insert pet peeve here) suck
threads you'd be happier.
dave
: Vail - where nothing is sacred.
"vail, all cool threads all the time..."
Doug Taylor
On 17 Jun 1996 19:49:11 GMT, kl...@xmission.com (klaus) relevantly
observed:
>On 15 Jun 1996 17:29:53 GMT, Lost Lamb Luis
>(lui...@equinox.unr.edu) felt an irresistable urge to write:
>:
>: Thank goodness for kill files..
>:
>Your newsreader does that?!?.. WOw... (Note: I changed the title
>just to get around it ;> )
Questions: If Luis, unlike me, is able to configure a killfile, how
was he able to read the offensive messages in the first place? Or
didn't he configure it right?
Hypocritically and never afraid to take the bait,
Doug Taylor
dta...@servtech.com (Doug Taylor) wrote:
>Questions: If Luis, unlike me, is able to configure a killfile, how
>was he able to read the offensive messages in the first place? Or
>didn't he configure it right?
Also, a cyber-epistimological question: If everyone in rsa configures
a killfile to filter out, say, Carl and Anna, and Carl and Anna
continue to post, will they make a "sound"? For that matter, will
they exist?
Alan Boucek
In article <4q751t$9...@silver.scs.unr.edu>, lui...@unr.edu wrote:
> : On 15 Jun 1996 17:29:53 GMT, Lost Lamb Luis
> : (lui...@equinox.unr.edu) felt an irresistable urge to write:
> : :
> : : Thank goodness for kill files..
>
> klaus (kl...@xmission.com) wrote:
> : Your newsreader does that?!?.. WOw... (Note: I changed the title
> : just to get around it ;> )
> : We now return you to your regularly scheduled program -
> : alt.as-the-bullwheel-turns.
> : -klaus
>
> Wouldn't have it any other way! Thank the U. of Washington for the
> "Pine" email and newsreader program, much better than "Eduora". Can't
> use it through Netscape though, it's not "point-ckick-and-Kill" accessible.
> Have to login the old fashioned way. But then, I can read an analog
> wristwatch, so I got that going for me.
>
> Lost Lamb-
Eudora isn't a newsreader, but as a mailer, it has awesome filtering
capabilities. Newswatcher is a wonderful newsreader, with powerful
filtering - ie kill files- renders invisible anything you want to protect
your eyes from, or simply flags them. I don't think Netscape has kill
files or filtering for news or mail. yet.
Vail- the Netscape of the ski world.
--
Alan Boucek abo...@panix.com
New York, New York
Rockspray
>Also, a cyber-epistimological question: If everyone in rsa configures
>a killfile to filter out, say, Carl and Anna, and Carl and Anna
>continue to post, will they make a "sound"? For that matter, will
>they exist?
Who???
Luis Barthel-Rosa
butt...@aol.com (Butt Dawg) wrote:
>I usually use a newspaper to kill flies. How do you do it with your
>
>Andrew
Don't use my newsreader, use those free AOL disks that come in the mail,
tape 'em to the end of a ski pole and presto- instant *fli* killer!
LL
Carl and Anna
Doug Taylor wrote:
>
> dta...@servtech.com (Doug Taylor) wrote:
>
> >Questions: If Luis, unlike me, is able to configure a killfile, how
> >was he able to read the offensive messages in the first place? Or
> >didn't he configure it right?
>
> dta...@servtech.com / "This statement is false."
The existential ramifications are, of course, mind boggling. We'd
probably just electronically be transferred to another newsgroup......
Try it, though. We've never had a near-death experience.
Carl (r) and PirAnha
cir...@prolog.net
Yaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn. Snnnnnoooooorrrrrrrrrre. Hmmmph.
Crawford Rainwater
In <4q8t9n$m...@murphy2.servtech.com>, dta...@servtech.com (Doug Taylor) writes:
>dta...@servtech.com (Doug Taylor) wrote:
>
>Also, a cyber-epistimological question: If everyone in rsa configures
>a killfile to filter out, say, Carl and Anna, and Carl and Anna
>continue to post, will they make a "sound"? For that matter, will
>they exist?
>
>
>Doug Taylor
I guess the philosophical question comes to mind then,
"If a tree falls in the woods, what sound does it make
if no one is around to hear it?"
--- Crawford
John Red-Horse
In article <4q9oc5$h...@silver.scs.unr.edu>, lui...@equinox.unr.edu wrote:
>
>
>Don't use my newsreader, use those free AOL disks that come in the mail,
>tape 'em to the end of a ski pole and presto- instant *fli* killer!
>
<*snicker*>
Ok, how 'bout a subthread on uses for ski poles. I'll go first: I use
the mate to my broken Goode pole to probe for gopher tunnels in my yard.
cheers,
john (damn, we're really bored)
Butt Dawg
On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, dave wrote:
>> Carl and Anna (no...@popd.ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>>
>>: Carl(r) and the gold digging sociopathic trophy wife.
> cool does she have any sisters?
Trophy wife? Are you going to chop her head off and mount it on the wall
of your Dacha in the hills? Scooter probably would.
Andrew
ps - When and where is the wedding going to be?
Carl and Anna
Andrew
Head? I think not. Remember, she is the MWIT, so there's another part
that might be more appropriate......
Sometime this summer - not sure just when. We'll announce after the
fact; maybe in conjunction with a postnuptial beer bust at the Red Lion
in, naturally, Vail.
Carl(r) and the trophy wife
ray nurmi
How 'bout sharpening 'em and spearing some AOLfish??
Luis Barthel-Rosa
Doug Taylor (dta...@servtech.com) stitched this thread:
: Also, a cyber-epistimological question: If everyone in rsa configures
: a killfile to filter out, say, Carl and Anna, and Carl and Anna
: continue to post, will they make a "sound"? For that matter, will
: they exist?
Ahhhh, a most intersting question grasshopper... Boy, wouldn't it
be nice, but it doesn't work that way. I'm not an expert, but this is my
understanding of how usenet newsgroups work:
Said poster "Xxxx" posts a message in a newsgroup "rsa" on Xxxx's
internet server (a university, AOL, Netcom, Prodigy, buttsniff, whatever).
The message is posted on the host server for a specific amount of time
(maybe 5 days). That time Time depends on the server and the sys admin's
settings. Now here's the fun part, during that time by some means, the post
gets into the news feed, and is *fed* into the same newsgroup on other
servers, all over the internet. The messages is temporarily stored on
another server for some pre-determined amount of time. During that time,
it can be read by anyone who has access to that server's newsgroups.
When YOU read a message from YOUR account on YOUR server, the
messages is marked as read and "appears" to be deleted. But it's only
from your perspective that it's been deleted. It's still on YOUR server
for OTHER people to read from THEIR accounts. (for a short period of time).
Wouldn't be much fun if only one person got to read messages on any one
server, but it would cut back on the follow-up bandwidth!! So when you do
a killfile, you won't see it but everyone else will.
Now I shall put an end to my contribution of this "off topic"
thread. I don't know if Carl and Anna "make any sounds" but, they may
be willing to openly discuss it in rsa...
Lost Lamb-
Luis Barthel-Rosa
: >>Lost Lamb (lui...@equinox.unr.edu) wrote:
: >>
: >>Don't use my newsreader, use those free AOL disks that come in the mail,
: >>tape 'em to the end of a ski pole and presto- instant *fli* killer!
: >Then jrr...@swcp.com (John Red-Horse) wrote:
: ><*snicker*>
: >Ok, how 'bout a subthread on uses for ski poles. I'll go first: I use
: >the mate to my broken Goode pole to probe for gopher tunnels in my yard.
: >cheers,
: >john (damn, we're really bored)
: And finally ray nurmi (rnu...@up.net) wrote:
: How 'bout sharpening 'em and spearing some AOLfish??
Ahhh, here's one... remove the basket, instant *Super Hungry-mans*
Shish-Kabob skewer [you could put a whole chicken on one of 'em]
Also, *Lazy-mans* weenie roaster.. no more standing around the "Q", roast
your weenies from the comfort of your lawn chair.
Lost Lamb
Doug Taylor
On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:33:46 GMT, da...@ced.utah.edu (dave) wrote:
>care for a little fromage to go with that whine? been a little long off
>snow? it's summer in the u.s. doug. many aren't doing a whole lotta skiing
>and feel the need for entertainment. perhaps if you just logged back on
>in the fall for the thrilling what skis should i buy? how do you ski bumps,
>powder, crud, hard pack, (insert least favorite snow surface here)? i've
>never skiied in the west, us, europe, (insert possible travel destination
>here) where should i go? where are the best runs at Xxxx? snowboarders,
>eurons, skiiers, people who wear funny hats, (insert pet peeve here) suck
>threads you'd be happier.
Oh, excuse me. Threads about skiing in a skiing newsgroup? Absurd, of
course. Not in the off-season. How pedestrian; how boring; how
uncool.
I give up; you, kaus, and the 1st Amendment win.
So, Dave - I mean dave- tell us about your sex life. Who are you
fucking these days? Boys, girls, neither, both? How about them
Bulls, eh? Snagged any aol newbies on line lately? What's the
weather like in OOtah?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Vail - anything goes
Carl and Anna
Luis Barthel-Rosa wrote:
>
> Doug Taylor (dta...@servtech.com) stitched this thread:
>
> : Also, a cyber-epistimological question: If everyone in rsa configures
> : a killfile to filter out, say, Carl and Anna, and Carl and Anna
> : continue to post, will they make a "sound"? For that matter, will
> : they exist?
>
> Ahhhh, a most intersting question grasshopper... Boy, wouldn't it
> be nice, but it doesn't work that way.
[snip]
> Now I shall put an end to my contribution of this "off topic"
> thread. I don't know if Carl and Anna "make any sounds" but, they may
> be willing to openly discuss it in rsa...
Actually Luis, we are willing to discuss it on RSA.
Everytime my skis carve through that nice crusty groomed snow or go *pooof*pooof* through new powder I sigh
with complete and utter bliss. Carl(r) moans with ecstasy everytime he rides Vail's chairlifts just before he
loses all control and falls off.
PirAnha and the Darling Norcross
Vail: Innuendo and double entendres galore!
Rhett M. Stroh
In utter confusion, Luis Barthel-Rosa (luispb@equinox) spewed forth:
: Ahhh, here's one... remove the basket, instant *Super Hungry-mans*
: Shish-Kabob skewer [you could put a whole chicken on one of 'em]
: Also, *Lazy-mans* weenie roaster.. no more standing around the "Q", roast
: your weenies from the comfort of your lawn chair.
Replacement antenna for your auto when some punk breaks off the original.
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Rhett Stroh "The Eunuch Of Unix" |
| rms...@gdesystems.com |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
jobewan
Luis Barthel-Rosa wrote:
> : >Ok, how 'bout a subthread on uses for ski poles.
> Lost Lamb
Ski poles make dandy probes for wood rot in rafter tails and other outside wood
architectural details.
Let's probe 'em
Jobewan Kinobe
klaus
On 21 Jun 1996 15:46:52 -0700, Rhett M. Stroh
(rms...@gde.GDEsystems.COM) felt an irresistible urge to write:
: In utter confusion, Luis Barthel-Rosa (luispb@equinox) spewed forth:
:
: : Ahhh, here's one... remove the basket, instant *Super Hungry-mans*
: : Shish-Kabob skewer [you could put a whole chicken on one of 'em]
:
: : Also, *Lazy-mans* weenie roaster.. no more standing around the "Q", roast
: : your weenies from the comfort of your lawn chair.
:
:
: Replacement antenna for your auto when some punk breaks off the original.
Stakes for the tomatoes. And yes, I've actually done this. If you leave
the grips on, they're real easy to pull back out in the fall. They
also work well to hold up the hatchback when those little compressed
air thingies quit working.
-klaus
Vail- its growing season.
SCHNELL
Luis Barthel-Rosa (luispb@equinox) wrote:
: : >>Lost Lamb (lui...@equinox.unr.edu) wrote:
: : >>
: : >>Don't use my newsreader, use those free AOL disks that come in the mail,
: : >>tape 'em to the end of a ski pole and presto- instant *fli* killer!
: : >Then jrr...@swcp.com (John Red-Horse) wrote:
: : ><*snicker*>
: : >Ok, how 'bout a subthread on uses for ski poles. I'll go first: I use
: : >the mate to my broken Goode pole to probe for gopher tunnels in my yard.
: : >cheers,
: : >john (damn, we're really bored)
: : And finally ray nurmi (rnu...@up.net) wrote:
: : How 'bout sharpening 'em and spearing some AOLfish??
: Ahhh, here's one... remove the basket, instant *Super Hungry-mans*
: Shish-Kabob skewer [you could put a whole chicken on one of 'em]
: Also, *Lazy-mans* weenie roaster.. no more standing around the "Q", roast
: your weenies from the comfort of your lawn chair.
How about a drying rack. Put the poles between two chairs and hang
your wet socks over the poles to dry!!(cause the dryer in my
apt. sucked)
-- Jeff
dave marceau
Doug Taylor (dta...@servtech.com) wrote:
i thought doug "flame thrower" taylor had sent me this as email but it turns
out dougie just hasn't figured out how to turn off the cc option of his
news reader, but i digress.
: Oh, excuse me. Threads about skiing in a skiing newsgroup? Absurd, of
: course. Not in the off-season. How pedestrian; how boring; how
: uncool.
and your post besides lacking skiing related discussion also lacks any humor.
: I give up; you, kaus, and the 1st Amendment win.
cool, but you left out the l in klaus.
: So, Dave - I mean dave- tell us about your sex life. Who are you
: fucking these days?
no one. a five year relationship i was involved in went down the tubes, hence
my interest in the mwit's sisters.
: Boys, girls, neither, both?
see first answer. and you doug? what's the species du jour? or is it
better if the left hand doesn't know what the right hands doin'?
: How about them Bulls, eh?
wouldn't know as i am tv free.
: Snagged any aol newbies on line lately?
no i've given up on bottom feeders.
: What's the weather like in OOtah?
too bloody hot for my taste.
dave
"vail, all knowing, all powerful..."
P.S. Lukeman
Broken ski poles can alo be used as the stem in a contraption known to all
you new-fangled youth types as a 'bong' for inhalation of semi-vapourised
plant materials. Allegedly.
Vail - where the statute of limitation applies
(not in the bloody UK though)
Rhett M. Stroh
In utter confusion, klaus (kl...@xmission.com) spewed forth:
: They
: also work well to hold up the hatchback when those little compressed
: air thingies quit working.
: -klaus
Ahhhh......a truly useful one! One of those compressed air thingies on my
Gremlin is broken! And leaving the handle on will make it grip the glass
better, too.
Vail - Where your money is spent on Bogners, not cars.
Mike
Use them to mark the endzones in Ultimate Frisbee. They stick into the
ground easily (as Klaus mentioned) and they're easy to see from the
other end of the field. And best of all, if you layout for that flying
catch in the corner of the endzone, they pole will come out of the
ground and not smunch into your chest (or worse) like a cone.
mike.
Rhett M. Stroh
: : Ahhhh......a truly useful one! One of those compressed air thingies on my
: : Gremlin is broken! And leaving the handle on will make it grip the glass
: : better, too.
: Whoa! You drive a gremlin? True sign of a computer guru. You looking
: for a job near skiing by any chance?
Ya know klaus, I've been hankering to put an AMC Eagle 4-WD package under the
Gremmy.....
Cone
exercises given to me by a PT after a bad fall during a NASTAR run this
season!
Cone
jobewan
>
> Luis Barthel-Rosa wrote:--snip
> > Here's what I want to know:
> > If you're skiing alone in the backcountry and you fart, and no-one is
> > around to smell it, does it still smell bad??
> Luis,
>
> I think you are missing the most profound part of Mike's posted question: "if a tree falls in the woods with nobody to hear, does it still make a sound?"
>
> This apocryphal question totally ignores and denies the tree its status as a living > organism and therefore its (most probable) innate ability to hear itself fall. Not to
>mention any agony it would feel.--snip
>this philosophy of "Tree as a Person" (taken totally out of context)
>
> So on one hand - yes, it would make a sound.
Profound?
apocryphal?
spelled properly ? (i should talk)
here in RSA ... WAYCool
Actually, tho, your ruminations brought about the following completely nonsensical
notion.
That the tree, as a person, needed to let loose a huge fart, couldn't, and blew up -
causing it to fall, making a huge sound that only it heard --- but alas, couldn't smell
cause it were dead by then.
Let's thunk 'em
Jobewan Kinobe
Luis Barthel-Rosa
: > Ahhhh, a most intersting question grasshopper... Boy, wouldn't it
: > be nice, but it doesn't work that way. I'm not an expert, but this is my
: > understanding of how usenet newsgroups work:
: > [most interesting explaination of how nntp works clipped and saved for
: > next time I teach an internet class]
: >
Mike (Michae...@cl.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: That is correct, but I think the original question sort of goes like this:
: Suppose, if you will, that everyone in RSA puts Xxxx in their .killfile (or
: whatever the DOS equivalent is). So, Xxxx's posts are propogating
: throughout the know RSA universe but nobody sees them! Its sort of like
: "if a tree falls in the woods with nobody to hear, does it still make a
: sound?"
Hmmm.... as Spock would say "Fascinating". Here's what I want to know:
If you're skiing alone in the backcountry and you fart, and no-one is
around to smell it, does it still smell bad??
^^^
Vail - smellin' like roses
Lost Lamb Luis ("my powers are beyond you're comperhension" - GreySkull)
See you in SLC next year....
Carl and Anna
> Mike (Michae...@cl.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
> : That is correct, but I think the original question sort of goes like this:
> : Suppose, if you will, that everyone in RSA puts Xxxx in their .killfile (or
> : whatever the DOS equivalent is). So, Xxxx's posts are propogating
> : throughout the know RSA universe but nobody sees them! Its sort of like
> : "if a tree falls in the woods with nobody to hear, does it still make a
> : sound?"
>
> Hmmm.... as Spock would say "Fascinating". Here's what I want to know:
> If you're skiing alone in the backcountry and you fart, and no-one is
> around to smell it, does it still smell bad??
> ^^^
>
> Vail - smellin' like roses
Luis,
I think you are missing the most profound part of Mike's posted question: "if a tree falls in the woods with
nobody to hear, does it still make a sound?"
This apocryphal question totally ignores and denies the tree its status as a living organism and therefore its
(most probable) innate ability to hear itself fall. Not to mention any agony it would feel.
So on one hand - yes, it would make a sound. On an interesting side note this philosophy of "Tree as a Person"
is also what has led to the setting aside of funds for aging tree life support in the most recent Vail/Beaver
Creek $150M improvement plans.
The PirAnha
Vail: Equal rights for Vegetation.
david mann
: Hmmm.... as Spock would say "Fascinating". Here's what I want to know:
: around to smell it, does it still smell bad??
Judging from a couple of drawers worth of old polypro,
Capilene, Drion and etc, I would say yes. For months.
And regardless of what kind of detergent you use.
Dave -my goretex isn't *that* breathable- Mann
Rhett M. Stroh
: That the tree, as a person, needed to let loose a huge fart, couldn't, and blew up -
: causing it to fall, making a huge sound that only it heard --- but alas, couldn't smell
: cause it were dead by then.
: Let's thunk 'em
: Jobewan Kinobe
Perhaps this is what keeps happening to those patches of trees around Mammoth:
not an imminent volcano eruption, simply Tree Farts. Maybe campers have been
dumping their leftover beans at the bases of these trees, thereby causing the
problem.
Vail - Where tree flatulance smells of roses
Luis Barthel-Rosa
49C.16...@cl.cam.ac.uk> <4r10gp$e...@silver.scs.unr.edu> <31D46B...@popd.ix.netcom.com> <31D36E...@mesa-tech.com>
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno
Reply-To: lui...@unr.edu
Distribution:
: > Luis Barthel-Rosa wrote:--snip
: > > Here's what I want to know:
: > > If you're skiing alone in the backcountry and you fart, and no-one is
: > > around to smell it, does it still smell bad??
: Carl and Anna wrote:
: > Luis,
: >
: > I think you are missing the most profound part of Mike's posted question:
: > "if a tree falls in the woods with nobody to hear, does it still
: > make a sound?" This apocryphal question totally ignores and denies
: > the tree its status as a living > organism and therefore its (most
: > probable) innate ability to hear itself fall. Not to mention any
: > agony it would feel.--snip this philosophy of "Tree as a Person" (taken
: > totally out of context) : > So on one hand - yes, it would make a sound.
jobewan (job...@mesa-tech.com) wrote:
: Profound?
: apocryphal?
: spelled properly ? (i should talk)
: here in RSA ... WAYCool
: Actually, tho, your ruminations brought about the following completely
: nonsensical notion. That the tree, as a person, needed to let loose a
: huge fart, couldn't, and blew up - causing it to fall, making a huge
: sound that only it heard --- but alas, couldn't smell
: cause it were dead by then.
: Let's thunk 'em
: Jobewan Kinobe
We digress..... ;-) LL
John S. Webb
Gave my old set of taped together broken ski poles to my mother.
During a big dump of eastern pow (glare ice) she uses them for 'walking
sticks or canes' for her walk to the store.
Works fine but you should hear the comments from the other senior citizens.
Er, have to admit i've done this myself on icy ski area parking lots!
:-)
John Webb
David Taylor Model Basin Hq. - Ski Ti0ll You Drop -
Carderock Div,NSWC
Bethesda,MD 20084-5000
pigo
> Scott Miller wrote:
> >
> > QUIT WASTING BANDWIDTH WITH THIS SOAP OPERA BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Scott,
>
> We sincerely regret any inconvenience to any RSA reader that the messages
> about Scott Abraham are causing. However, given Mr Abraham's tendancies
> to post lengthy, argumentative and abusive messages to many RSA readers,
> in addition to his mailings threatening blackmail, we felt that we needed
> to provide readers with additional insight into the type of individual
> that he is. Mr Abraham's behavior, both now and in the past, has
> seriously degraded a once enjoyable newsgroup, and if the messages you
> are criticizing help restore RSA to what it once was, they will have
> served well.
>
> Carl(r)
This is hilarious.
pigo
> while you know what Scott Barak Abraham is capable of in his posts. Now you are about to see what he is
> capable of behind the scenes. What follows is extremely personal yet I must post because of Scott’s blackmail
> and threats.
>
> A summary - on February 10 of this year I went on a ski trip with Scott. Stupidly I made the worst decision of
> my life and chose to have sex with him. Due to some of his behavior on the last days of the trip and after I
> returned home, I decided that I did not want any further sexual or romantic relationship with him. During our
> trip all he said was “you are a nice divertissement, nothing more. That’s all this is.”
>
> Concurrently I was in a long distance relationship which the other party was in the middle of breaking off and
> also had been corresponding on a platonic level since mid-January with Carl(r) Norcross.
>
> I tried to tell Scott I wanted nothing more than a friendship and he replied that he cared for me as no
> more than a friend. I thought we would be able to retain a sort of friendly correspondence. I told Scott that
> I wanted to take one more skiing trip before the season ended in April and that Carl had said that if I went to
> Vail, he would meet me there and we could ski and do dinner. After hearing of this, Scott became quite angry -
> accusing me of using him and then accused me of having a relationship with Carl prior to my going on the ski
> trip. First of all - There is no way Scott was used - I paid my way for everything on this trip. And second
> of all - there is no way I would have gone on the trip with Scott if I had already had a relationship with
> Carl. The reasons are so obvious. At this point, Scott began to badger me by phone and email - and was so
> awful to deal with that I stopped my attempts at trying to remain friends and quit talking and writing him
> altogether.
>
> Subsequently, Carl invited me out to ski toward the end of March and I drove out. We ended up not going to
> Vail, but instead fell in love at first sight. During that time, there was the flame war going on between
> Scott and Tina (TC). I posted a note stating that the two of them should knock it off and behave. Scott sent
> me an email attacking my lack of friendship and for not standing up for him and put it in the most foul of
> terms as is his wont. At this point in time, Scott had no idea that Carl had asked me to marry him. But in
> the coming weeks he had guessed what was afoot by the comments I had been making re: the Darling Norcross.
> Scott attempted a bit of blackmail - that if I posted anything regarding my relationship with Carl then the
> Carl, my past lovers, readers of RSA, etc. would be treated to a whole rendition of our sordid sexual affair -
> including a supposed answering machine tape of phone sex between Scott and myself. Scott also wrote his filthy
> crap to Carl in an effort to break us up and when that failed he resorted to name calling - what a bully. Hence
> the reason that neither Carl(r) nor I have been doing much posting to RSA.
>
> But today’s little missive from Scott was the last straw. I am disgusted with myself and the total lapse of
> discretion on my part. But I refuse to bow down to this bully. Read on people - it may not be seemly to air
> one’s dirty laundry in public, but I do this for two reasons - so that Scott has nothing to hold over me and
> that all of you who post to RSA may finally know what kind of a person Scott Barak Abraham is. Everything I
> told him prior to the trip regarding my relationships, my family history, EVERYTHING - has been turned against
> me in the most vile way. What has been even worse is his posturing of being a poor victimized RSA poster who
> is just a nifty guy with a slightly risqué sense of humor. And what is truly bothersome is that this man is
> actually going to be counseling people on a professional level. Also disgusting is his assertion that he
> “loved me” and that we “made love” and sees himself as some sort of cuckolded man. Ideas which even now make
> me sick to my stomach. But though I have to live with the memories of my past behavior, I refuse to allow
> myself to live with Scott’s threats.
>
> I would like to say that I think Scott actually believes that he was this poor maligned soul who gave gifts (I
> repeatedly told him not to and paid for the skis which he picked up for me. It is amazing how he twists
> reality and the truth and then firmly believes what he makes up.
>
> So in conclusion - Scott said that the whole trip was only a divertissement and that he would not want it to
> continue afterwards and when I took him at his word he became remarkably disgusting, vile, vindictive,
> threatening and attempted a veiled form of blackmail. All for exerting my free will to have a relationship
> with someone other than him.
>
> Read on - all letters are unedited in their entirety.
>
>
>
>
> From ???@??? Mon Apr 15 15:25:27 1996
> Received: from mhub2-loc.tc.umn.edu by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 96 15:27:22 -0500
> Received: from mail1.halcyon.com by mhub2.tc.umn.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 96 15:27:19 -0500
> Received: from 204.29.17.89 (blv-pm12-ip29.halcyon.com) by halcyon.com with SMTP id AA12145
> (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <dewi...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>); Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:27:15 -0700
> Message-Id: <3172C0...@halcyon.com>
> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:32:58 -0800
> From: Scott Barak Abraham <scot...@halcyon.com>
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> To: Anna DeWitt <dewi...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
> Subject: Re: All skiers!
> References: <4keudp$1...@baldrick.trimble.co.nz> <4kgdhb$3...@centauri.hq.nasa.gov> <4kgkte$i...@fcnews.fc.hp.com>
> <4kmj01$8v4...@chem.nwu.edu> <4kmrh1$d...@news.xmission.com> <4koedf$7...@news.nstn.ca>
> <317271...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> I'd give you congratulations, but I feel sorry for Carl. He's a nice guy, and he does not deserve such a
> lying, vicious, sadistic little bitch.
> Let me keep this short.
> As the depth and concious intent to deceive of your manipulations and
> lies becomes apparent, I weary of your passive agressive anger. You know damn well that posting this would
> hurt me, and you did so with glee, as you do to all of your exes.
> But I don't do passive agression.
>
> I do agression.
>
> I don't lie, as you well know.
> I tell the truth, and I have the urge to tell the truth about you.
> So if I ever again think that you are sticking the knife in my back again, I think I shall flame you...by
> telling Carl, Joseph, rsa, and anybody else exactly how you lied to him, to me, about him, about me, about your
> intent, about your actions, about damn near everything, etc.
> I'm sure Carl will find it interesting reading. If I knew him better, I'd do it anyway. The refrain of an old
> song comes to mind, "No one told me about her.....the way she lied."
> He is welcome to you.
> And I want to be rid of you, and not be subjected to your slimy posings when enjoying rsa.
> Real simple, asshole.
> Stick the knife in again, and I'll take a chainsaw to your carefully constructed facade, for all to see,
> including that poor dumb sumbitch who is buying your act.
> You are no friend of mine, and never were.
>
>
> Fuck off
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> From ???@??? Mon Apr 15 16:45:16 1996
> Received: from mhub0-loc.tc.umn.edu by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 96 16:49:20 -0500
> Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by mhub0.tc.umn.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 96 16:49:19 -0500
> Received: from LOCALNAME (ftc-co1-07.ix.netcom.com [204.32.169.39]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12)
> with SMTP id OAA07691; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:52:44 -0700
> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:52:44 -0700
> Message-Id: <1996041521...@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com>
> X-Sender: no...@ix.netcom.com
> X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> To: scot...@halcyon.com
> From: no...@ix.netcom.com (Carl Norcross)
> Subject: Anna
>
> Scott
>
> Anna has sent copies of your last several messages to her, including
> today's. She's also given me details of her ski trip with you.
>
> I've spent a lot of time with her over the past few weeks - enough, given my
> 15 years experience of being a cynical corporate recruiter, to get a really
> good handle on her and her personality. I find absolutely no correlation
> between what you've written about her and what she is.
>
> In other words, my friend, I'm not some poor dumb sumbitch. Back off, OK?
> You've had the last word in your email to Anna, so let it go.
>
> Peace, bro
>
> Carl(r)
>
>
>
> From ???@??? Mon Apr 22 08:07:21 1996
> To: scot...@halcyon.com
> From: no...@ix.netcom.com (Carl Norcross)
> Subject: Knock it off
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> X-Attachments:
>
> Scott,
>
> I've asked you a couple of times to just chill out over what you perceive to be your victimization by Anna.
> You have, however, recently made a couple of posts alluding to her (and, I assume, Stephanie) to be bitches and
> to your more recent accusations that Anna has somehow arranged for the person fron Duke to attack you and the
> "sexualization" of a relationship.
>
> Anna, btw, did neither. I think what you're dealing with here is something that you would have liked to have
> been a relationship, but the other party wasn't interested. This happens more than it doesn't. Been there a
> whole lot of times myself. The trick is to learn to get over it and move on to someone who does want the same
> things.
>
> Knock off the public allegations, though.
>
> Carl(r)
>
>
> Return-Path: <scot...@halcyon.com>
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 07:59:28 -0800
> From: Scott Barak Abraham <scot...@halcyon.com>
> To: Carl Norcross <no...@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: Knock it off
> References: <1996042213...@ix.ix.netcom.com>
>
> Carl Norcross wrote:
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > I've asked you a couple of times to just chill out over what you perceive to
> > be your victimization by Anna.
>
> Not perception, Carl.
> Fact.
> Which you are quite well aware, being a rather dishonest little asshole yourself.
> Such lovely little e-mails you sent to the cuckolded fool, knowing full well that Anna had dumped me but just
> hadn't gotten around to letting me know about it. Or did she say she had? Another lie. I learned all I know on
> rsa. Very healthy way
> to communicate, eh?
> Really is sick shit, Carl, and only a very deluded man continues to attempt to protect a sociopathic predator.
> And only a very deluded men rides to the rescue on his white charger. You ought to ask yourself how she will
> treat you when the time comes. Perhaps she will fuck your best friend. Perhaps you will find out on the net.
> Should be interesting-so
> drop me a line when the time comes and I shall be delighted to explain this particular dynamic: it is a classic
> in the literature and Anna fulfills the specifications as if she were a test case.
> So if Anna continues to lie, and I continue to get any further communication from you two lovebirds, I might
> just get tempted to post the entire sordid story.
> Names, dates, hyena cackle and all. And when Anna's lawyer calls, it shall be my pleasure to provide them with
> a tape of a certain conversation. Seems that the answering machine picked up as I did, and taped an hours
> worth of conversation
> just before the Banff trip. I asked her specifically about her relationship with you and the going ons in rsa,
> as I had a sense that there was more to the situation than met the eye.
> Needless to say, the bitch lied through her teeth.
> Needless to say, I can prove it.
> I won't bother to mention what happened at the end of the tape. Suffice to say, it would cast a different
> light on certain twists I have no doubt she put on history, along with blowing any claims to victimization to
> shreds.
> This is known as the smoking gun, in legal circles.
> And if I really wanted to play catch-up on the cunt, I would have used it earlier.
> In light of what has happened, it is quite a revealing exercise in manipulation.
> But I don't want a damn thing to do with either of you.
>
> > You have, however, recently made a couple of
> > posts alluding to her (and, I assume, Stephanie) to be bitches and to your
> > more recent accusations that Anna has somehow arranged for the person fron
> > Duke to attack you and the "sexualization" of a relationship.
> >
> > Anna, btw, did neither.
>
> Sure as hell did one of them, and you are a fool if you think otherwise. She uses her sexuality to exploit
> men, and she has few other relationships. She has no friends other than men she has fucked, which would tell
> you something if you
> weren't so fucking stupid yourself.
> She is a pathological liar who is on the cusp of making literally hundreds of thousands of dollars. She
> doesn't have a pot to piss in and can't get credit, is dead broke, and living with her mother with no way to
> finance law school. If I
> were in her shoes, I'd lie too.
>
> I think what you're dealing with here is something
> > that you would have liked to have been a relationship, but the other party
> > wasn't interested. This happens more than it doesn't. Been there a whole
> > lot of times myself. The trick is to learn to get over it and move on to
> > someone who does want the same things.
>
> What we are dealing with here is a sociopathic bitch who thoroughly enjoys wreaking emotional violence on her
> exes, and has been deliberately and knowingly doing so through the usenet. What we are dealing with here is a
> stone-cold predator who systematically used the net to find herself some man stupid enough to finance her way
> through law school.
> You will note, Carl, that after I caught on to her act, I walked away: I have only responded to Anna's
> deliberate and vicious passive agressive emotional violence on the net. Something tells me that the copies of
> the letters I sent her
> that she sent you were altered a bit, to say the least. I have asked her to cease and desist. I said ouch,
> damn loudly, and that is my prerogative ethically and morally, for she flat used me and then had the pure
> sadistic joy of abusing me.
> I have no doubt that she wants something else.
> Fortunately, I am not that man.
> I don't want the bitch, Carl.
> I don't want to have a damn thing to do with her.
> I shall be delighted if I never hear from her again.
> You win.
> She's all yours.
> Enjoy.
> In the meantime, keep your bullshit advice to yourself. I have no problem
> accepting that you two are the love story of the century and I am out of the
> picture.
> I'm delighted, actually, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
> You deserve each other.
> >
> > Knock off the public allegations, though.
>
> Wondered why I put up with assholes like Duke and assholes like you and Anna. Did the smart thing. Hit the
> little button that says unsubscribe.
> If Anna happens to be innocent of this particular little lie, so be it. Didn't name her. Sure wouldn't put it
> past her.
> She is not innocent, however, of every other lie I accuse her of, and I can prove it in court. E-mails and
> tape.
> So if I want to make public allegations, I most certainly shall, with no fear whatsoever of any legal problems.
> Unlike Anna, however, I do suffer from having a conscience, and I see no point in doing so: revenge is a
> pointless exercise and I
> already have the best revenge....I am rid of the bitch.
> But I'd be a lot happier if I never, ever, hear her name again.
> Or yours.
> So do me a favor, Carl, because I weary of you and your inamorata.
> Don't ever write me again.
> I won't be following your antics on rsa. Sorry about that, for I know that you both get a certain charge out
> of the situation. Classic case, as I say.
> Please pass along a copy of this letter to her.
> Unlike her, I let to like people know what I'm saying behind their back.
> And what I am saying to both of you is a hearty
>
> Fuck off.
>
> Return-Path: <scot...@halcyon.com>
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:21:46 -0800
> From: Scott Barak Abraham <scot...@halcyon.com>
> To: no...@ix.netcom.com
> Subject: Knock it off, part deux
>
> Carl and Anna wrote:
> >
> > TC wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Scottie,
> > >
> > > I see that you are out and about making friends on the net again (since
> > > you give most of your old friends the hives). I am sure that everyone
> > > appreciates you reminding us that you are the biggest baddest dude on
> > > the net.....thanks.
> > >
> > > Your bud
> > > Tina
> >
> > Tina! Nice to see you again!
> >
> > Carl(r) and PirAnhaHow nice to see two pathological liars get together.
> You should ski together and compare notes.
> In the meantime, I think I'll stop by a friends house and learn how turn
> audio tape into a digital form I can post with my service provider, so
> everybody can appreciate a true artist of prevarication at work.
>
> Question #1: Anna, things are getting really strange on rsa. Are you sure there isn't something going on with
> Carl?
>
> Answer: No, I don't even......
>
> Tune in next week for the rather embarassing details of how Anna Dewitt described her fiance while lying about
> her relationships, her motivations, her intentions, her....everything. Or knock off the vicious little remarks,
> Carl and Anna. As you might have learned, I do not lie...and I do not tolerate liars.
>
> You guys are gonna love the answer.
>
> You're gonna love the x-rated part even better.
>
> Vail: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> ps. I kept a full archive of Anna's letters to me, along with this particular smoking gun.
> I have kept our particular dispute off the net, folks, and I trust you will have the class to do the same.
> Neither of you had such class a few months ago when Anna delighted in deliberately inflicting pain on someone
> who's only crime was to catch her in the act and call her on her bullshit, and Carl bragged about his trophy
> wife and how he put the horns on ol' Two Buddha....yet I confined my complaints about Anna's duplicity,
> cruelty, and predatory manipulations to private e-mail.
> I am not surprised that you cheer on TC's libelous inventions, as Anna is quite facile at constructing her own.
> Birds of a feather flock together, etc.
> Unlike Anna, I have respected the privacy of e-mail.
> I no longer consider myself bound to do so.
> Shut the fuck up, folks, and keep your petty little cruelties to
> yourself, or I shall, in my far more honest fashion, indulge in a bit of cruelty myself.
> Couldn't happen to a nicer couple.
> And I hate to tell you this, but it is all perfectly legal. Checked it out with my own house AAG at a dinner
> at my house, who seems to think she owes me a big favor, and who loathes women like Anna. Her boss happens to
> be at the same Shabbat dinner. Member of my synagogue. Anna made lovely dinner conversation. Both women have
> known me for years,
> folks, and I've helped out both in very delicate situations. There's something about women like Anna that
> reflects poorly on all honest female attorneys, and these women react very strongly to lawyers, or wannabes,
> that have no regard for the truth. They loathe goldiggers even more. Plus, they happen to be friends of mine,
> and they don't like women who needlessly inflict emotional pain on their old buddy. Suffice
> to say that if we get into a pissing match, I shall be represented pro bono by one of the most respected AAG's
> in the state, and we shall be delighted to share the proceedings with every single person either one of you
> jerks know.
> Not that it would last long, mind you.
> You see, I know liars quite well. I know what Anna has to do to
> maintain her credibility. And I really, really don't like being lied about.
> Do yourself, and me, a big favor.
> Act as if I don't exist, and I shall return the favor.
> Continue to be a couple of smarmy assholes, and I shall play your game.
> It's very simple.
> I think one of you is a sociopath, and the other is just a aging asshole who just bought himself a wife young
> enough to be his daughter.
> Sure is going to impress the guys at Vail, eh?
> Are we having fun yet, guys?
> You might notice that when I dig in the knife, I let you know it is coming. One of my more charming
> characteristics is that unlike you two, I am an honest asshole.
> I'm sure you don't like me either.
> Such is life.
> But if you don't trash me, folks, it shall be my priviledge to
> cheerfully ignore your posings.
> Pour any more salt in the wounds, and I shall play catch-up.
> Fair enough?
> No need to reply. I shall take your continued, graceful, and classy silence as assent to my proposal. Indeed,
> if I ever do hear from either if you two lovebirds again, or if you ever refer to me in any way, or if you ever
> answer any of my postings, it shall be my distinct pleasure to lower myself to your level. On the other hand,
> if, by some miracle,
> Anna develops a conscience (or more likely, realizes that I have the power to prove, in court, that she is a
> stone-cold liar. The only way to deal with a sociopath is to appeal to their self-interest.) I will return the
> favor and never, ever mention either of you again, refer to you in any way, etc.
> Knock off the bullshit, guys, or pay the consequences. I've taken enough crap off both of you, and I shall
> take no more without responding in kind.
>
> Nananana, heyheyhey, goodbye
>
> Scott
So is this!
downhill
> On Wednesday, June 12, 1996 1:00:00 AM UTC-6, Carl and Anna wrote:
I guess you want people to believe you spend no time thinking about the
loon.
Asshole I would tell you to get a life but that is well past any thing
you are capable of doing.
Horva...@net.net
wrote this crap:
>So is this!
Scott is just pitiful.
This signature is now the ultimate
power in the universe
pigo
> I guess you want people to believe you spend no time thinking about the
> loon.
> Asshole I would tell you to get a life but that is well past any thing
> you are capable of doing.
Trunky is so infamous that it turns up every now and then. I was reading an article about Turkey and some kind of political turmoil that people were arguing about. Someone was throwing out some nonsense and getting ripped for it when someone else, who's name I didn't recognize, responded that this shit is nothing; "you should see the shit that comes from lunatics like sba".
So fucked up, and such a good example of a putrid POS, that it will come up from time to time. *Just like you* :-0
Richard Henry
How little did I know!
I'm searching my technical archives to figure out what kind of mid-90's answering machine could (or would) record an hour-long conversation.
Richard Henry
jim.s...@gmail.com
A number of Radio Shack answering machines -- and presumably, all the other brands made by the same Asian OEM manufacturer -- would accept a standard cassette tape for the incoming message tape. Only the outgoing message tape was the "endless" one-minute tape.
I had one of those Radio Shack answering machines and it was very handy to be able to simply grab the recorded incoming tape and swap in a fresh one, and then listen to my messages on the fly, using my Sony Walkman cassette player.
Those were the days.
Jim in Texas
pigo
I hadn't seen it either. And like I told the twink, I've seen it pop up in totally unrelated blog or topic to demonstrate completely out of touch losers. It' almost to the point of "pulling a Homer".
Trunky should be a bit happy about this one though. He had sex with a woman once anyway. Apparently he didn't care too much for it!
twobuddha
I'd say that Carl Norcross seriously degraded this newsgroup.
twobuddha
I LOVE IT!!!!!!
And what makes this even more hilarious is Brain Fried Bob Thompson reposting her lies.
Come on, Tranny Boob. Tell the truth. Dewitt Norcross cruised this newsgroup and sold her ass to the highest bidder. Her lying is pathological and without any ethical standards whatsoever as she tries to cover up the reality of her psychopathic, predatory behavior.
I feel sorry for the stupid shmuck who married her. All about the money, and I'm sure she's royally screwed him over by now.
She was one vicious, disgusting, manipulative whore, and I am delighted you gave everyone a chance to see how vile she is.
twobuddha
twobuddha
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 09:40:09 -0700 (PDT), pigo <bobt...@gmail.com>
>
> wrote this crap:
>
>
>
> >So is this!
>
>
>
> Scott is just pitiful.
>
twobuddha
twobuddha
twobuddha
twobuddha
Bob Thompson, friend of James Arthur Strohm.
twobuddha
> On Monday, March 10, 2014 3:56:38 PM UTC-6, Richard Henry wrote:
>
> > I didn't get a home internet (and thus RSA) connection until a few months after this conversation.
>
>
>
> > How little did I know!
>
>
>
> > I'm searching my technical archives to figure out what kind of mid-90's answering machine could (or would) record an hour-long conversation.
>
>
>
> The more things change, the more they stay the same!
>
>
> I hadn't seen it either. And like I told the twink, I've seen it pop up in totally unrelated blog or topic to demonstrate completely out of touch losers. It' almost to the point of "pulling a Homer".
>
>
> Trunky should be a bit happy about this one though. He had sex with a woman once anyway. Apparently he didn't care too much for it!
How pathetic. How ridiculous. Almost to the point of "pulling a Bob Thompson"
twobuddha
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
twobuddha
One of the shop guys was staying in the next room, and by the time we got out on the hill, the whole mountain had heard about me and Anna Dewitt Norcross doing the nasty less than an hour after we had met, arranging the tryst on usenet.
My old friend said I'm still a legend for pulling off that stunt, but then again, it was the early days of the internet. Gotta give Anna Dewitt Norcross credit. A lot of predators and whores have made a lot of money using the net for fun and profit, she was one of the first.
But at least all she got from me was a free lift ticket and a used boot bag.
Richard Henry
I'm searching for the right words to continue here...
Horva...@net.net
<pome...@hotmail.com> wrote this crap:
The bigger question is why anyone would waste an hour and a half
talking to a machine? When I get one I say, "Hey Dumbass, call me
back!"
twobuddha
Jay Pique
> Scott Miller wrote:
> >
> > QUIT WASTING BANDWIDTH WITH THIS SOAP OPERA BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Scott,
>
> We sincerely regret any inconvenience to any RSA reader that the messages
> about Scott Abraham are causing. However, given Mr Abraham's tendancies
> to post lengthy, argumentative and abusive messages to many RSA readers,
> in addition to his mailings threatening blackmail, we felt that we needed
> to provide readers with additional insight into the type of individual
> that he is. Mr Abraham's behavior, both now and in the past, has
> seriously degraded a once enjoyable newsgroup, and if the messages you
> are criticizing help restore RSA to what it once was, they will have
> served well.
>
> Carl(r)
JP
Jay Pique
> On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:17:12 GMT, Doug Taylor (dta...@servtech.com)
> felt an irresistable urge to write:
> :
> : Agreed. How about rec.skiing.alpine.vail.in-crowd?
> :
>
> How about rec.skiing.alpine.crippled-newsreader?
>
> Or rec.skiing.alpine.moderated? You could even be the moderator! That
> way no one would have to read anything *you* find objectionable.
>
> : There is no place for personal b.s. unrelated to the topic of alpine
> : skiing in this newsgroup.
> :
>
> So why are you posting it?
>
> : As I have posted before, I am offended by the notion that I have to
> : use a kill file (not available on my newsreader) to filter out or
> : censor extraneous, irrelevant, and offensive crap.
>
> Yah, the only things that offend me more are :
> 1) People who want something for nothing.
> 2) People who want to tell others what they can and can't
> say, and when and where thay can say it.
> 3) People who feel that their judgement of what is extraneous,
> irrelevant, and offensive should apply to everyone.
> 4) People that get offended because they have a lousy
> newsreader and therefore think that the "standards" of
> the newsgroup should be dictated by them.
>
> I suggest you look very closely at yesterday's Supreme Court ruling on
> freedom of speech on the internet. In their words, "It deserves the
> highest level of protection". I'm sure your newsreader doesn't force
> you to read anything. Just go on to the next article. Try it. You may
> like it.
>
> (Good choice of words btw, "censor". Censorship is when you prevent
> someone from saying it. Filtering is probably the word you were
> looking for. Killfiles don't censor, they filter. Censorship is bad,
> filtering is good. Censorship is telling others what not to say,
> filtering is ignoring it. Which sounds better to you?)
>
> : Perhaps it is
> : naive to expect self-restraint from seemingly intelligent people, but
> : is it too much to ask some of you just to give it a rest?
> :
>
> Extremely naive, and yes, it is too much. Its the internet! Take your
> life into your own hands, do a little work, skip the articles you
> don't want to read. Is it too much to ask some of you to just take
> responsibility for what you read?
>
> I say hurrah to Carl and Anna! Hurrah to Scott! Hurrah to ButtDawg!
> Hurrah to Doug Taylor! Hurrah to Hayduke! Hurrah to anonymous posters!
> Hurrah to the spammers. Hurrah to everyone that posts here and
> whatever you want to post. Variety, personalities, convictions,
> disagreements... it's reality, get used to it. Diversity is
> great. Post whatever you wish. If I don't want to read it, I won't.
>
> And if you think it's bad now, just wait til August.
>
> Carry on.
>
> -klaus
>
> : Vail - where nothing is sacred.
> :
>
> Vail-where freedom of speech is more sacred than laziness, lousy
> newsreaders, and RSA.
klaus - do you regret encouraging him now?
JP
Scott Abraham
How desperate. Going back twenty years to try and find dirt, and all you are doing is showing how desperate you are. Nothing is going to change the reality that you are an obsessed, dickless, cowardly stalking wack job trying to deflect that knowledge about yourself.
Nothing.
Thanks! How about you ping that cunt, she belongs in your private scumbag group!
ps: You never have and never will get laid through either rsa or your new group. Given what a pussy you are, probably never will get laid, period.
Scott Abraham
Keep up the good work, idiot! I just love the opportunity to remind the sick freaks of rsa how sick they were. And you are so desperate, so stupid you keep on fucking yourself!
Jay Pique
JP
***************************
This is an original tagline.
Ted Waldron
Ah, the infamous Carl and Anna flame war, where Scooter's emails saying he loved Anna were revealed.
This was before my time, but I started posting here during the pissing match with Lowell Skoog.
Scooter was always looked upon as weird, especially that he would post all the day on to Rec.Skiing.Alpine,
Some posters tolerated him, others liked him, but many trying to stay clear of his weird behavior.
It all went downhill from March 1999 onward, When Scooter tried to do the same thing he did with Lowell Skoog, and Dale Bish, it backfired, mainly many posters (including Britski) tried to control his behavior, instead he brought his idiot buddy, Bert into the mix that turned the flame war into a nuclear apocalypse, where many in the Seattle area had to get legal advice to deal with Scott's constant threats of violence against us..
Scott Abraham
Got it from a former friend of Biggers. Or you could ask him yourself. He did some really stupid shit and they decided he was a risk.
Now identify yourself. Are you so hypocritical you demand proof but ain't even got the balls to ID yourself?
Why do I ask?
'
Like you always do.
Outright lie, as usual, and you are so sick you don't know it.
> Lousy skier.
Yeah, but I can kick your ass without breaking a sweat. Everybody is good at something. I win.
> Lousy person. Alone. Hated and hateful.
> JP
> ***************************
> This is an original tagline.
Scott Abraham
> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 7:30:55 PM UTC-7, Jay Pique wrote:
>
> Ah, the infamous Carl and Anna flame war, where Scooter's emails saying he loved Anna were revealed.
> This was before my time, but I started posting here during the pissing match with Lowell Skoog.
>
> Scooter was always looked upon as weird, especially that he would post all the day on to Rec.Skiing.Alpine,
> Some posters tolerated him, others liked him, but many trying to stay clear of his weird behavior.
>
> It all went downhill from March 1999 onward, When Scooter tried to do the same thing he did with Lowell Skoog, and Dale Bish, it backfired, mainly many posters (including Britski) tried to control his behavior, instead he brought his idiot buddy, Bert into the mix that turned the flame war into a nuclear apocalypse, where many in the Seattle area had to get legal advice to deal with Scott's constant threats of violence against us..
Two batshit crazy wack jobs lying their ass off.
Hey, JP (Just Pussy)? As long as you are spending your time stalking on google, how about finding any post prior to Teddy committing perjury in which I threatened his life? Ted swore it existed in court, but has never shown it, maybe you can help your fellow deranged, delusion, mentally ill, bipolar with schizophrenia, lying piece of shit brother in stalking?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Show the post, Ted. And Just Pussy.
Jay Pique
> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 7:30:55 PM UTC-7, Jay Pique wrote:
>
> Ah, the infamous Carl and Anna flame war, where Scooter's emails saying he loved Anna were revealed.
> This was before my time, but I started posting here during the pissing match with Lowell Skoog.
>
> Scooter was always looked upon as weird, especially that he would post all the day on to Rec.Skiing.Alpine,
> Some posters tolerated him, others liked him, but many trying to stay clear of his weird behavior.
>
> It all went downhill from March 1999 onward, When Scooter tried to do the same thing he did with Lowell Skoog, and Dale Bish, it backfired, mainly many posters (including Britski) tried to control his behavior, instead he brought his idiot buddy, Bert into the mix that turned the flame war into a nuclear apocalypse, where many in the Seattle area had to get legal advice to deal with Scott's constant threats of violence against us..
JP
***************************************
Scott Abraham: Delusional Liar - PROVEN.
Scott Abraham
> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 11:41:24 PM UTC-4, Ted Waldron wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 7:30:55 PM UTC-7, Jay Pique wrote:
> >
> > Ah, the infamous Carl and Anna flame war, where Scooter's emails saying he loved Anna were revealed.
>
> Of course he loved Anna - she probably took his virginity.
He's such a repellant freak that it's amazing anyone would sleep with him.
> > This was before my time, but I started posting here during the pissing match with Lowell Skoog.
> >
> > Scooter was always looked upon as weird, especially that he would post all the day on to Rec.Skiing.Alpine,
> > Some posters tolerated him, others liked him, but many trying to stay clear of his weird behavior.
> >
> > It all went downhill from March 1999 onward, When Scooter tried to do the same thing he did with Lowell Skoog, and Dale Bish, it backfired, mainly many posters (including Britski) tried to control his behavior, instead he brought his idiot buddy, Bert into the mix that turned the flame war into a nuclear apocalypse, where many in the Seattle area had to get legal advice to deal with Scott's constant threats of violence against us..
>
> From what I've seen he was disliked as a bullyiing blowhard from almost day-one of his postings. The guy is an obvious sociopath and compulsive liar. Unfortunately for everyone he was enabled by klaus and others for a while, which has prolonged the madness. It's truly fascinating to read - he's just so sick and delusional. I can't look away.
Damn, I'm good. Somebody has to tell me how one man, standing alone, telling the truth, manages to bully people who lie, threaten, and stalk by telling them to bring it on, you dickless coward.
You are insane. Get help. Maybe Ted Waldron can turn you onto his shrink, he knows what it is like to get off his meds, lie under oath, and commit felony perjury.
Hey, did you find the post? Ted's been looking for it for eighteen years or so, maybe you can help him?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ted Waldron
> From what I've seen he was disliked as a bullyiing blowhard from almost day-one of his postings. The guy >is an obvious sociopath and compulsive liar.
As much as Scooter tries to manage his sobriety via AA, one thing he has not control throughout the years, is his diabetes. When I had seen him, the first thing I noticed is his walk. It is a lack of dorsiflexion range in feet and ankles. It is pretty common with those who cannot control their diabetes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3095776/
he has peripheral neuropathy, to other neuropathic damage. He wants come to across as this big scary dude, former law enforcement professional, but he comes across as this overweight, out of shape, clown, who has this diabetic gait, doesn't manage his weight, (as long as he is very overweight, he is not helping is diabetes) along his coke bottle glasses, and missing teeth, I feel sorry for him, given his true enemy is within himself, which he has not controlled.
His behavior, and from what I heard from the infamous Whistler get together in 1999, to seeing Baby Huey in court, is impulsive, child like, and a bit uncontrollable. I wouldn't be surprise he has frontal lobe damage of his brain. Scooter of 1996 was a bit different than the Scooter of 1999, and today, he acts more like a bot with the same canned responses, ditto he can't remember much.
BrritSki
> he comes across as this overweight, out of shape, clown
Has he got one of those exploding cars where all the bits fall off ?
Either way he's out of work now Ringling Bros has closed down...
Eviel Dewar
> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 8:41:24 PM UTC-7, Ted Waldron wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 7:30:55 PM UTC-7, Jay Pique wrote:
> >
> > Ah, the infamous Carl and Anna flame war, where Scooter's emails saying he loved Anna were revealed.
>
> Actually, didn't say I loved the skank, but I trusted her, which was a bi
Dear Anna:
I'm not sure if I'll send this. Something tells me that the pain is too
fresh, the anger too hot, the disappointment too raw.
We'll see when I finish.
Right at the moment, I am so disappointed in you.
And I can't say I didn't see this bullshit coming, and I sure as hell
tried to head it off. And while I know damn well that it has little or
nothing to do with me, other than the fact that I've actually loved you
quite well, that does not help me at the moment. I'm very sad. I'm
very frustrated. I feel like an idiot. I've been down this road
before, and there is no way to win other than to back up and head in a
different direction and damn it, I don't want to say good-bye to you. I
love you. I've thoroughly enjoyed having you in my life both as a lover
and as a friend, and if there were any healthy way around this, I'd
stick around.
But I don't think I have much of a choice.
I refuse to join your friendly ex-lovers who collude in these delusions.
Rather than keep quiet and maintain contact, I'm gonna call you on your
dynamic: you've been passing out far too much pain lately to people who
didn't deserve to get hurt. You knifed each of us the same damn way.
The only reason I'm still talking to you is that I don't think there was
conscious intent, but passive-agressive venting of repressed anger hurts
damn near as much as getting deliberately kicked in the balls.
But you nailed the ex with Scott, you nailed Scott with Joseph, you
nailed Joseph with me (irrespective of whether he knows yet or not-he
will), you just got me with both Joseph and Carl, not to mention the ex
with me and Joseph, and Joseph with Carl. You always have another
waiting in the wings, always let the last know about your perfidy, and
always act the innocent. But innocent you are not, Anna. I wouldn't be
bothering to rip a strip off you if I did not trust in your essential
goodness, but that does not mean you do not have a dark side, and a dark
side that you do not control.
Three straight internet relationships with middle aged men. A long
distance unofficial engagement with a man who doesn't even bother to
call you. Jumping right out of a marriage into the arms of your exes
best
friend. Right to Joseph. Right to me for a minute. Is there a pattern
here?
It's my own damn fault for ignoring the warning signs, could you at
least have
the grace to honor how I feel about you, and to treat me with a bit more
consideration for my feelings about how I am being so casually
dismissed?
I didn't abandon you, Anna. I can;t make it up to you. And I can't be
your shrink, though I highly recomend that you go to one and start doing
some
daddy work. Hell, I just booked in a couple of sessions. I
think I see what garden path to the past I've just led myself down, but
I want to make damn sure, because next time I see this shit coming, I'm
ducking. There is progress. I saw the hole, but kept on walking. Next
time I see the hole, I'm taking a different street.
I told Gail yesterday that I doubted that I would ever see you again-and
predicted your Vail trip (which you have been actively planning while
leaving the impression that coming to Whistler was a possibility held up
only by finances.) You lied to me, Anna, and I don't appreciate it. I
don't appreciate your dishonesty regarding your relationship with Carl,
either, and if I had known the extent of your negotiations and
flirtations, I would have canceled the Banff trip. (your intent is also
very suspect)
I don't like being used, and I feel very exploited at the moment.
I don't like being lied to, either.
I sure as hell don't like being summarily dumped, especially after what
I considered to be one of the most delightful five days I've ever spent
with a woman, especially after I busted my ass to treat you well.
I don't appreciate your reasons for separation, either. You began the
sexualization of this relationship, actively encouraged my interest,
maintained and nurtured a sexualization, willingly fucked, and now you
have the gall to condemn me for not reading your mind? I'll tell you
what really gets weary, Anna: trying to read someone's mind. Trying to
keep up with the ebb and flow of your confusion. If you didn't clearly
state your feelings, and you did not, you have no right to blame me for
your confusion, and no right to blame me for following and acting upon
my clearly
stated feelings. You said, "You never asked me how I felt."
Anna, that is your responsibility, not mine, and as you destroy whatever
it is that we had, find another excuse for the execution.
I was upfront the entire time-I would deal with you as a platonic friend
if you wished, but I wanted sex as a part of the relationship. I did so
with your encouragement and enthusiastic approval-when you weren't
flopping to the other position. I did not waffle on that statement. To
castigate me now for doing so is disingenuous. It is neither fair or
honest. It is a way for you to disown your own decisions, and to
deflect the blame for the way you are acting to me.
Do your own dirty work, Anna.
Just tell me you don't want me.
Don't blame it on the way I've treated you, because I have treated you
exceptionally well, and I do not appreciate having that effort trashed
so you can justify your own emotional irresponsibility.
Damn it, Anna, I can't help the fact that I'm not your father.
I'm not sorry that I love you, or that I loved you very well.
I don't regret a minute of it, for you are a very lovable person.
I don't regret making love with you. And I doubt very much that I'm
going to regret sending this note.
I knew damn well that if I gave you a real intimacy, if I truly loved
you as best I was able, you were going to run. You were going to
denigrate what was given, how it was given, why it was given, and use
the most minute flaws and faults you can find to justify your actions.
I knew damn well you'd be going to Vail (an apt metaphor, considering
how you and I met).
If Joseph actually shows up and offers anything approaching a real
relationship, I predict you'll destroy that, also. You are acting in
ways that
are beyond your consciousness. If you truly do love him, if you truly
do wan
Because none of us can fill that hole inside.
Course, I could be wrong. Predicted every damn move so far, but could
be wrong. For your sake, it would be nice to be wrong. I really do
wish the best for you, a happy and generative life.
But unless you decide to get off your own merry go round, my dear,
you're not going to have it, and I do not see you doing that.
I see the same old shit, the same patterns of behavior.
Let it sit for a while. Read it. Gonna send it. Hope I'm doing the
right thing. Take some of the anger with a grain of salt, as it has
some to do with you and everything to do with a long ignominious history
of betrayal. Yet I am angry, Anna, angry that you lacked the insight
and courage to avoid this, angry I could not control it, angry because
I'm watching one hell of a woman walk out of my life and I can't stop
you, angry because I let my needs overwhelm my good sense, angry because
I let you matter to me.
For I do love you. And I'd sure like to be around to know the woman who
is going to come out of all this, but I cannot and will not still my
voice.
You are powerful, you know. Bright, sharp, funny, and very cute to
boot, with a solid heart. Doesn't mean you can't kick ass, though, as I
am very aware.
I do believe in you. Seems like all of your exes believe in you. But
right now, I can't be with you.
I care too much. I am too vulnerable. I can't take this rejection and
hostility with equanimity and pretend that I do not hurt.
It is too late for me to stop the inevitable, and I was deluding myself
when I tried.
So now I am paying the price, and I hurt enough. I don't think you can
stop yourself from destroying what little is left, and I don't think you
are able to repair the damage at this time. I hope you will be able to
do so some time in the future. I love you deeply and I shall always be
your friend.
>From a distance. For now.
I will miss you immensely. I will miss your voice, your e-mails, your
calls, your friendship, your lusty sexuality, your care and your love.
It's been a hell of a good ride, however fantastical it was, and I
relished it.
I always make the joke that the ultimate aphrodisiac is for women is not
money, but potential: I find myself somewhat chagrined to be left
holding that particular bag. Henry Higgins was a fool, and so am I.
But if this is to be the last time I write you, I want to end with love,
with my belief in you, with my thanks for the joy you once brought to my
life.
You were exactly what I needed, and now it is time for you to go, and
time for me to take these lessons and move on.
God, I hate these moments. It is so hard to be graceful.
So send me a check when you get around to it. Still no hurry: I believe
your conscious intent is to be a friend. E-mail me if you wish. Pick
up the phone and call. But don't expect me to be emotionally available
for you.
I'll do the best to be a friend, but only on my terms. No restrictions
on what I say. Irrevocable permission to yank your chain if I think you
need it (the reverse is naturally true-you've had it for some time). If
you don't want to hear what I have to say, if you wish to maintain your
current state of personal awareness without challenge, don't call. Go
away and stay away. Because while I might be willing to bear a bit of
pain in your namev (and I think I might twinge for quite some time, as I
do still want you), it will only be if I think you are growing and
expanding as a result: I won't do it just to maintain connection.
If you choose to grow, and think I might be able to help, there will
always be a welcome ear, a warm place by my fire, and a doggie to
snuggle.
Don't damn me, Anna, for loving you, for believing in you, for wanting
you. You may not be ready yet, and neither may I, but it sure was good
while it lasted, and I am thankful for the gift of knowing you.
Whatever happens, whatever you decide, know that I took the time and
effort to try to get to know you, looked upon your soul, and cherished
what I found. Delighted in what I found. Loved what I found.
Love,
Scott
Scott Abraham
> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 9:20:22 PM UTC-7, Jay Pique wrote:
>
> > From what I've seen he was disliked as a bullyiing blowhard from almost day-one of his postings. The guy >is an obvious sociopath and compulsive liar.
>
> I don't think Scooter is a sociopath. I think he has some huge behavioral problems, maybe a personality disorder, like a narcissistic to a histrionic personality disorder.
He has been humping each post for decades.
I remember he would be hanging out in this newsgroups for 12-17 hours a day for years. It is sad.
> As much as Scooter tries to manage his sobriety via AA, one thing he has not control throughout the years, is his diabetes.
> When I had seen him, the first thing I noticed is his walk. It is a lack of dorsiflexion range in feet and ankles. It is pretty common with those who cannot control their diabetes.
>
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3095776/
>
> he has peripheral neuropathy, to other neuropathic damage. He wants come to across as this big scary dude, former law enforcement professional, but he comes across as this overweight, out of shape, clown, who has this diabetic gait, doesn't manage his weight, (as long as he is very overweight, he is not helping is diabetes) along his coke bottle glasses, and missing teeth, I feel sorry for him, given his true enemy is within himself, which he has not controlled.
One would think that if I was that pitiful, you would have come up and introduced yourself instead of running away, Wack Job. How disgusting.
> His behavior, and from what I heard from the infamous Whistler get together in 1999, to seeing Baby Huey in court, is impulsive, child like, and a bit uncontrollable.
Another despicable, vile, disgusting, outrageously dishonest attack from a stalking, deranged, mentally ill coward.
How pathetic. How Ted Waldron.
Show the post, Wack Job. Amazing how you never have been able to do that.
Scott Abraham
> On 28/05/2017 09:06, Ted Waldron wrote:
>
> > he comes across as this overweight, out of shape, clown
>
> I'm confused is he a performing seal in the circus or a clown ?
> Has he got one of those exploding cars where all the bits fall off ?
> Either way he's out of work now Ringling Bros has closed down...
Scott Abraham
Thanks for reminding me that Anna Dewitt Norcross was a psychopathic con artist and predator. She fooled me. Damn, I was dumb back in those days. Oh, well, we live in learn, and I am delighted you gave me the opportunity to remember what a vile, disgusting, thieving cunt she is.
Not a bad fuck, though. You know, sex with women instead of giving prison bj's.
Strange how you showed up after all this time. Hey, JP, you use the wrong sign in?
Three deranged stalking internet wack jobs in a row talking shit. You guys should get together. Oooops, looks like one of you is two of you. As I was saying about schizophrenia?
Armin H
Now dance some more for us TwoBhudda a.k.a MonkeyBoi.
Vail: Where losers steal their taglines while they pine for their true love.
Scott Abraham
If being pathetic, ridiculous, idiotic dumbfucks is a "win", glad you are enjoying yourself, because I sure as hell am laughing my ass off.
Thought of you freaks yesterday, when your idol Cheeto Hitler made a complete fool out of himself by refusing to castigate terrorists, instead proclaiming that from here on out, they would be called "losers".
Oh, well. His dumbfuckery is scary because he conned dumbfucks like you into voting for him, probably because you know a fellow cowardly pathological liar when you see one, and you identify. But you "losers" aren't scary, you're just deplorable.
Keep up the good work, this is fascinating, as usual.
BrritSki
> On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 2:57:02 AM UTC-7, BrritSki wrote:
>> On 28/05/2017 09:06, Ted Waldron wrote:
>>
>>> he comes across as this overweight, out of shape, clown
>>
>> I'm confused is he a performing seal in the circus or a clown ?
>> Has he got one of those exploding cars where all the bits fall off ?
>
> No, I've got an exploding right hook. Keep on running and hiding,
> psychopath. And yes, you are one.
companies in 35 years - you'd think someone would have spotted it
instead of promoting me and paying me more), none of my friends and
neighbours and extended family which includes 2 medical doctors and a
psychologist - a real one with a doctorate, not just some wannabee who
took a couple of classes and has their own copy of DSM IV (I bet you
can't afford V).
> Right down to your toes.
wine this year is stupendous.
>>
>> Either way he's out of work now Ringling Bros has closed down...
>
> Another cheap shot from a dickless coward who committed felony perjury,
who never has had the balls to spew his shit in person.
>
kinds of violence ! Just like I told Det. Shirey. No need to lie, the
evidence is in thousands of posts from you.
PS It can't be perjury unless I was in court and lied on oath - looks
like your knowledge of the law is not much better than your knowledge of
mental disorders, despite your extensive personal experience of both,
but you always have been a slow learner.
Eviel Dewar
> Holy shit. You pathetic freaks have to go back over fucking twenty years to try and find some supposed dirt, which I find mildly amusing, and you call that a win? Wasting hours of your time google stalking, while none of you
Scott Abraham
> On 28/05/2017 23:03, Scott Abraham wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 2:57:02 AM UTC-7, BrritSki wrote:
> >> On 28/05/2017 09:06, Ted Waldron wrote:
> >>
> >>> he comes across as this overweight, out of shape, clown
> >>
> >> I'm confused is he a performing seal in the circus or a clown ?
> >> Has he got one of those exploding cars where all the bits fall off ?
> >
> > No, I've got an exploding right hook. Keep on running and hiding,
>
> Hiding in plain sight, using my real name ? ;)
> > psychopath. And yes, you are one.
>
> Funny how nobody noticed that before, none of my work colleagues (2
> companies in 35 years - you'd think someone would have spotted it
> instead of promoting me and paying me more), none of my friends and
> neighbours and extended family which includes 2 medical doctors and a
> psychologist - a real one with a doctorate, not just some wannabee who
> took a couple of classes and has their own copy of DSM IV (I bet you
> can't afford V).
> > Right down to your toes.
>
> I'm pretty sure that's gout from all this rich living in Italy. Our red
> wine this year is stupendous.
> >>
> >> Either way he's out of work now Ringling Bros has closed down...
> >
> > Another cheap shot from a dickless coward who committed felony perjury,
> who never has had the balls to spew his shit in person.
> >
> Damn right I don't want to meet you, you keep threatening me with all
> kinds of violence !
>Just like I told Det. Shirey. No need to lie, the
> evidence is in thousands of posts from you.
> PS It can't be perjury unless I was in court and lied on oath - looks
> like your knowledge of the law is not much better than your knowledge of
> mental disorders, despite your extensive personal experience of both,
> but you always have been a slow learner.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Hey, where is that private newsgroup? I'd love to read your lies there. Oooops, forgot. You're such a dickless coward that you have to hide yourself everywhere.
Scott Abraham
Scott Abraham
>
>
> Funny how nobody noticed that before, none of my work colleagues (2
> companies in 35 years - you'd think someone would have spotted it
> instead of promoting me and paying me more), none of my friends and
> neighbours and extended family which includes 2 medical doctors and a
> psychologist - a real one with a doctorate, not just some wannabee who
> took a couple of classes and has their own copy of DSM IV (I bet you
> can't afford V).
What is truly amazing is that you quote imaginary sources to claim you are not a psychopath, which we both know you are. Implicit in your sick game is the reality that you have thrown every smear in the DSM and Wiki at me in a pathetic attempt to diminish and discredit the reality that you are seen for the disgusting freak you are, albeit a very good psychopath. But that is what psychopaths do best, lie and con and pretend to be decent human beings.
So tell me something, you dickless coward.
I don't know just one psychologist, I know hundreds. Ski with MD's, play tennis with psychiatrists, etc. Not to mention hundreds of AA folks who are quite knowledgeable about human behavior.
How strange that NONE of them, EVER, has ever diagnosed me with ANY of the vile, disgusting, despicable lies you and your sick fellow terrorists throw at me on a regular basis?
Amazing, isn't it?
Thanks for being such a transparent freak, at least to me. You tick off all the boxes, an expert gaslighter, a pathological liar, a craven coward, a truly disgusting freak. Watching you has been an education, you truly are a very skilled psychopath. But psychopath you are. Keep up the good work, you are very amusing.