Out of Control Skier Charged in Death
Cmdr Mark
Was skiing Colorado (not Vail) last March and was amazed at all the
collisions and "near misses". Then I see an article with a Denver
dateline in the paper.
From the AP newswire:
"A ski resort employee involved in a deadly collision on the Vail slopes
faces criminal charges in a beginner skier's death."
The article goes on to give names and describe the accident (Beginner on
an intermediate slope and the defendant collide. Beginner ends up with a
fracture at the base of the skull...the defendant had facial injuries).
The defendant faces up to 16 years in the slammer with a $500,000 fine if
found guilty of manslaughter. Criminally negligent homicide will mean 8
years and $100,000 fine.
The DA says that a speeding skier "is a weapon, too".
The defendant's lawyer calls it a tragic accident.
How about it folks?
You're on the jury...which way would you lean?
Regards
CmdrMark
"The hottest place in hell is for those who can help...but won't."
Spam Buster Alert:Remove the "$" from my address or I won't get your mail
M. Drazen
On 1 May 1997 21:30:54 GMT, Cmdr Mark <$Cmdr...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>
>Was skiing Colorado (not Vail) last March and was amazed at all the
>collisions and "near misses". Then I see an article with a Denver
>dateline in the paper.
>
>From the AP newswire:
>
>"A ski resort employee involved in a deadly collision on the Vail slopes
>faces criminal charges in a beginner skier's death."
>
>The article goes on to give names and describe the accident (Beginner on
>an intermediate slope and the defendant collide. Beginner ends up with a
>fracture at the base of the skull...the defendant had facial injuries).
>
>The defendant faces up to 16 years in the slammer with a $500,000 fine if
>found guilty of manslaughter. Criminally negligent homicide will mean 8
>years and $100,000 fine.
>
>The DA says that a speeding skier "is a weapon, too".
>
>The defendant's lawyer calls it a tragic accident.
>
>
>How about it folks?
>
>You're on the jury...which way would you lean?
>
>
>
>Regards
>
>CmdrMark
>
Jail. If you kill someone driving recklessly you should be
incarcerated. Unfortunately the driver usually walks. If you kill a
person skiing recklessly, inbounds on a crowded intermediate slope -
Jail. There must be some culpability.
John Red-Horse
In article <5kb22e$g...@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net>,
I'd lean toward deciding based on the facts that were presented as evidence.
john
Carl and Anna
M. Drazen wrote:
>
>
> Jail. If you kill someone driving recklessly you should be
> incarcerated. Unfortunately the driver usually walks. If you kill a
> person skiing recklessly, inbounds on a crowded intermediate slope -
> Jail. There must be some culpability.
Agreed. Keep in mind that this kid is only the second skier ever
charged with skiing related manslaughter, and the law has been on
the Colorado books for several (about 10 years). There must've been
enough consistency in the eye witness accounts to lead the DA to charge
the kid. The first conviction under this law resulted in about 90 days
jail time and a $15k fine.
Carl
glamson
M. Drazen <mmm...@interport.net> wrote:
: Jail. If you kill someone driving recklessly you should be
: incarcerated. Unfortunately the driver usually walks. If you kill a
: person skiing recklessly, inbounds on a crowded intermediate slope -
: Jail. There must be some culpability.
Oh fuckin' boy here we go down this thread again.
Since you were there and KNOW that he was sking recklessly he should spend
some hard time. Lets see all of the facts come forward before YOU cast
judgement. The person skiing fast is not always the person at fault and
the one who survives isn't either. Fast does not equal reckless, out of
control equals reckless but fast does not always equal out of control.
flame away jit wads
glen
Vail: Fast!
Jim Miller
Perhaps you should read posts a little more thoroughly before you
"recklessly" respond. The post you replied to clearly stated IF you kill
someone while skiing recklessly there should be culpability. He made no
reference to knowing any facts about the Colorado incident. He simply
was stating that anyone who kills someone skiing recklessly should be
punished!
Jim
Wilde_1
Well Damn, that just takes all the sport right out of it!
Wilde1
Martin Reilly
In article: <5kb4al$l...@kitsune.swcp.com> jrr...@swcp.com (John Red-Horse)
writes:
> >
> >You're on the jury...which way would you lean?
> >
>
> I'd lean toward deciding based on the facts that were presented as evidence.
If I was on the jury, I'd insist that a full appraisal of the facts could only possibly
happen after trying the run myself, preferrably several times and under similar
conditions....
--
Martin Reilly
http://www.neige.demon.co.uk/
Return address messed up on purpose to evade junk email, please
edit appropriately. I apologise for the inconvenience. :(
Paco Jones
mmm...@interport.net (M. Drazen) wrote:
>On 1 May 1997 21:30:54 GMT, Cmdr Mark <$Cmdr...@worldnet.att.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Was skiing Colorado (not Vail) last March and was amazed at all the
>>collisions and "near misses". Then I see an article with a Denver
>>dateline in the paper.
>>
>>From the AP newswire:
>>
>>"A ski resort employee involved in a deadly collision on the Vail slopes
>>faces criminal charges in a beginner skier's death."
>>
>>The article goes on to give names and describe the accident (Beginner on
>>an intermediate slope and the defendant collide. Beginner ends up with a
>>fracture at the base of the skull...the defendant had facial injuries).
>>
>>The defendant faces up to 16 years in the slammer with a $500,000 fine if
>>found guilty of manslaughter. Criminally negligent homicide will mean 8
>>years and $100,000 fine.
>>
>>The DA says that a speeding skier "is a weapon, too".
>>
>>The defendant's lawyer calls it a tragic accident.
>>
>>
>>How about it folks?
>>
>>You're on the jury...which way would you lean?
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>CmdrMark
>>
>
>Jail. If you kill someone driving recklessly you should be
>incarcerated. Unfortunately the driver usually walks. If you kill a
>person skiing recklessly, inbounds on a crowded intermediate slope -
>Jail. There must be some culpability.
Summary courtmartial, a rope from the highest tower on the chairlift,
and execution. Do not waste time(waste not, want not).
And if you push me hard enough, I would go for hanging, drawing and
quartering, the penalty for treason under Henry VIII.
Ah, tempora, ah mores...
Doug Schwartz
Unless I was there and saw the whole thing I'd reserve judgement. Both
parties could be responsible. I've seen too many bone-headed people
tempt fate by crossing the path of a fast-moving downhill skier without
even a glance up the hill. Beginners should stay on the bunny hills or
at least have enough sense to keep out of the way of the faster skiers.
Having said that, it's also the responsibility of better skier to avoid
the tyros when possible. I've been buzzed by speeding idiots when I was
putting my skis on next to the check in area.
Just because one person died does not make the survivor guilty. It could
be a just a terrible accident.
doug
David M. Phillips
I never cease to be amazed at observing instances of people (as well as
animals and other objects) suffering the most horrible looking accidents
and yet coming away from it "without a scratch"; and likewise for those
cases where it seems the person was "barely scratched" and yet suffers
death or some other horrible result.
That's why I do not think I would ever want to make a blanket judgement
on how to treat someone accidentally causing the death of another.
I would generally support making the punishment fit the crime. So in
the case of the driver, I would ensure they would not drive again for
some appropriately long period, and I would ensure that they received
skill training and psychological assessment before being allowed to
return to driving. Likewise for a reckless skier. Make them suffer by
denying them their sport.
--
David M. Phillips phil...@qxo.com
QXO Corporation 512-288-2887
http://www.onr.com/user/phillips/qxo.html
Patrick Chase
In article <5kb22e$g...@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net>, Cmdr Mark <$Cmdr...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
|> "A ski resort employee involved in a deadly collision on the Vail slopes
|> faces criminal charges in a beginner skier's death."
|>
|>
|> You're on the jury...which way would you lean?
Insufficient data. A lot depends on the details of what happened.
-- Patrick
Ray Fournier
Cmdr Mark wrote:
>
> Was skiing Colorado (not Vail) last March and was amazed at all the
> collisions and "near misses". Then I see an article with a Denver
> dateline in the paper.
>
> From the AP newswire:
>
> faces criminal charges in a beginner skier's death."
>
> an intermediate slope and the defendant collide. Beginner ends up with a
> fracture at the base of the skull...the defendant had facial injuries).
>
> The defendant faces up to 16 years in the slammer with a $500,000 fine if
> found guilty of manslaughter. Criminally negligent homicide will mean 8
> years and $100,000 fine.
>
> The DA says that a speeding skier "is a weapon, too".
>
> The defendant's lawyer calls it a tragic accident.
>
>
> You're on the jury...which way would you lean?
>
>
> CmdrMark
>
> "The hottest place in hell is for those who can help...but won't."
>
> Spam Buster Alert:Remove the "$" from my address or I won't get your mail
I'd Aquitte
Just got back fromt Sugarloaf where I saw what had to be the most stupid
sign placement. Figure this... Sign reads " White Nitro is the Steepest
trail in the east." This sign was one of those information types on the
support of the chair. Oh where was this wonderfully informative sign On
the F****** beginner slope!!! How many Macho Testosterone filled
beginners are going see this sign then proceed to go find this "steepest
slope in the east" and go get themselves or worse someone else killed.
Begiiners on advanced slopes just give me fits
Ray
http://www.conknet.com/~r_fournier
grb
Cmdr Mark wrote:
>
> Was skiing Colorado (not Vail) last March and was amazed at all the
> collisions and "near misses". Then I see an article with a Denver
> dateline in the paper.
>
> From the AP newswire:
>
> "A ski resort employee involved in a deadly collision on the Vail slopes
> faces criminal charges in a beginner skier's death."
>
> The article goes on to give names and describe the accident (Beginner on
> an intermediate slope and the defendant collide. Beginner ends up with a
> fracture at the base of the skull...the defendant had facial injuries).
>
> The defendant faces up to 16 years in the slammer with a $500,000 fine if
> found guilty of manslaughter. Criminally negligent homicide will mean 8
> years and $100,000 fine.
>
> The DA says that a speeding skier "is a weapon, too".
>
> The defendant's lawyer calls it a tragic accident.
>
> How about it folks?
>
> You're on the jury...which way would you lean?
>
> Regards
>
> CmdrMark
>
> "The hottest place in hell is for those who can help...but won't."
>
> Spam Buster Alert:Remove the "$" from my address or I won't get your mail
We all take risks out on the ski slope. Accidents unfortuantly happen.
grb
Angus42615
> I've seen too many bone-headed people tempt fate by crossing the path of
a >fast-moving downhill skier without even a glance up the hill. Beginners
should >stay on the bunny hills or at least have enough sense to keep out
of the way of >the faster skiers. Having said that, it's also the
responsibility of better skier to >avoid the tyros when possible.
I can only assume you're joking, or you don't believe in the code. Avoid
tyros "when possible" ? Maybe you would feel better on a snowboard. That
way, when you run over innocent people we will understand.
Keating Willcox
Likewise for a reckless skier. Make them suffer by
>denying them their sport.
I disagree. This country has created an enormous appetite for
litigation. In a situation where an accident occurs and someone
dies, there is a legitimate question of liability, and perhaps the
perp was an employee of the area, making the tort somewhat more
stringent, but if there was speed on a ski hill, and ski hills are
meant for speed, then most of the accidents are just that. If you
don't want to get in an accident, stay off the hill. You assume
enormous risks by skiing, and the direction of litigation has been
to make "someone", the area, an instructor, or another skier liable
for any serious accident. All this does is raise expenses and create
an attitude of paranoia about fast skiing.
I say, once you step on certain trails on a ski hill, then you can
go fast. If you plow into someone, you pay for your expenses and
they pay for theirs and no lawyer gets anything.
If you are skiing on the bunny slope, perhaps there should be a
different standard, but in real terms, the less law the better. We
are turning into a country of lawsuit happy kooks.
klaus nuki
In article <5kls6i$d...@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, kwil...@shore.net (Keating
Willcox) wrote:
Reckless/stupid skiing is a problem at all ski areas. Usually only a very
tiny minority of skiers are responsible. Ski areas do what they can to get
these boneheads off the slopes, but it is difficult/expensive to have
sufficient "courtesy" patrollers around at all times. The design of the
mountain is frequently to blame for accidents and ski area operators
redesign and use fences etc. extensively.
The worst layout I have found is Taos a few years ago. Lots of 'exit'
catwalks. One young Texas spring break boozer raced past me on one of
these overcrowded catwalks, crossed over my skis and fell heavily into
another skier at the next bend.. His "explanation" for his boorish
ignorant behavior....."You were going too slow for the conditions!!!"
There was no official to relieve him of his lift ticket. Suing the college
kid is pointless. (If I had been injured, I would have sued the mountain
for lack of controls.) I complained to the mountain, but they didn't
really understand their liability. They considered that their "SLOW" signs
were sufficient. Most ski area operators understand this very well and
work hard at safety!
Kevin T. Broderick
Angus42615 (angus...@aol.com) wrote:
: > I've seen too many bone-headed people tempt fate by crossing the path of
The code does also mention skiing only within ability (ie someone making
wedge turns should *not* be on a blue-square or black-diamond trail) and
looking uphill before starting from a stop or when merging into a trail. It
also mentions that one should observe all signage, which should include
signs such as "Race Training in Progress--Keep Clear of Course" (which I'd
like to amend to also read "Violaters will be impaled on their own ski poles
at their own expense"). If people didn't do stupid things, it would be a
lot safer to ski at reasonable speeds on open trails.
--
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Max Kaar
On 4 May 1997 22:13:46 GMT, pat...@sdd.hp.com (Patrick Chase) wrote:
>In article <5kb22e$g...@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net>, Cmdr Mark <$Cmdr...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>|> "A ski resort employee involved in a deadly collision on the Vail slopes
>|> faces criminal charges in a beginner skier's death."
>|> How about it folks?
>|> You're on the jury...which way would you lean?
>Insufficient data. A lot depends on the details of what happened.
Does anyone actually have any details on this. It would be interesting
to know what exactly has happened.
Bob Lee
klaus nuki (which I'm going to have to assume isn't a new nom de net for
the Hot Sauce Girl) wrote:
> Reckless/stupid skiing is a problem at all ski areas. Usually only a very
> tiny minority of skiers are responsible. Ski areas do what they can to get
> these boneheads off the slopes, but it is difficult/expensive to have
> sufficient "courtesy" patrollers around at all times. The design of the
> mountain is frequently to blame for accidents and ski area operators
> redesign and use fences etc. extensively.
I guess I'd say that dipshit skiers get the blame, not the "design of the
mountain."
> The worst layout I have found is Yyyy a few years ago. Lots of 'exit'
> catwalks. One young Texas spring break boozer raced past me on one of
> these overcrowded catwalks, crossed over my skis and fell heavily into
> another skier at the next bend.. His "explanation" for his boorish
> ignorant behavior....."You were going too slow for the conditions!!!"
> There was no official to relieve him of his lift ticket. Suing the college
> kid is pointless. (If I had been injured, I would have sued the mountain
> for lack of controls.) I complained to the mountain, but they didn't
> really understand their liability. They considered that their "SLOW" signs
> were sufficient.
OK, let me see if I've got this right. The guy was drunk, he was going
way too fast, ran over your skis and hit someone - and the *ski area* was
liable? You blame the ski area? I'm not surprised that they didn't
understand their liability - I sure don't. The liability rests soley with
the out-of-control skier that was acting like an ass. I also think only
an asshole would sue the mountain for not having someone at every possible
point in an attempt to stop people from behaving this way.
Yyyy is a big place - almost 1100 acres. Do you suggest that there be
enough "officials" to cover that area well enough to keep these sort of
incidents from happening? Heh. We'd be talking about 700 or so people
each day to handle that sort of duty. They cut off daily ticket sales at
Yyyy around 4000, so can you imagine what a ticket would cost if we were
supporting all those "controls?" Instead, let's just consider this one
little idea - make people take responsibility and be liable for their own
actions, instead of blaming the ski areas for not preventing bad
behavior.
Bob
Vail - total control
Dale Schueffner
To some extent, most of these postings have ignored a critical point in
this case, and one that differentiates it from the usual "collision" on
the slopes.
First, the skier was an employee of the ski area. The probable additional
argument here is that by his employment he is considered a representative
of the ski area, and is held to a higher standard of care than that of
the paying customer. Secondly, the ski area has deep pockets!!! As much
as the prosecuting attorneys are likely to leverage all the emotions of
death and lack of responsibility and "teach this young man a lesson and
set an example for the rest of the skiing industry", the more they can
nail him for, the bigger their contingent fee will be.
You want expensive lift tickets---that's where it starts.
Cmdr Mark
JLD...@prodigy.com (Dale Schueffner) wrote:
>To some extent, most of these postings have ignored a critical point in
>this case, and one that differentiates it from the usual "collision" on
>the slopes.
>First, the skier was an employee of the ski area. The probable additional
>argument here is that by his employment he is considered a representative
>of the ski area, and is held to a higher standard of care than that of
>the paying customer.
Have to disagree with you here, Dale. ;>) To agree with you would mean
that the skier was taken into custody because of who his employer is, not
because of the collision resulting in a fatality. If no injury resulted
from the collision, I doubt there'd be any arrest or legal proceedings.
>Secondly, the ski area has deep pockets!!! As much
>as the prosecuting attorneys are likely to leverage all the emotions of
>death and lack of responsibility and "teach this young man a lesson and
>set an example for the rest of the skiing industry", the more they can
>nail him for, the bigger their contingent fee will be.
>You want expensive lift tickets---that's where it starts.
I believe you've "jumped the gun" a little here. The "prosecuting
attorneys" you refer to is probably the District Attorney (or the Asst.
DA) who's paid by the taxpayers to prosecute criminal actions.
The contingency fee you refer to is found in civil cases and would go to
a plaintiff's attorney.
Of course a civil suit may have been filed by this time...I just haven't
seen it in the newspapers!
__
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l
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Climbing onto soap box.
Out of control skiers should loose:
1. Their lift ticket
2. Their skis
3. Their kneecaps (if they don't learn from the first two sanctions!)
Jim
klaus nuki talked some well-deserved trash about Texans:
> The worst layout I have found is Taos a few years ago. Lots of 'exit'
> catwalks. One young Texas spring break boozer raced past me on one of
> these overcrowded catwalks [description of Texan stupidity deleted]
Yeah, that's it -- if we're from Texas, we're obviously too stoned
or too stupid to be able to ski.
Your Clue For The Day (TM):
If you had bothered to read the trail map. you would have seen all
the OBVIOUS bottlenecks at Taos. Yes, there are a few bad places.
The catwalk at the bottom of the front of the mountain is the worst,
and Taos has been making what improvements they can.
If you ski off the West Basin lifts, you've got easy access to
the High Traverse and the lower half of all the incredible
Ridge chutes; you can hike the Ridge; you've got some powerfully
steep high-speed cruisers in the lower West Basin; you've got the
permanent pow stash in Tell Trees; you've got a quick
cross-over (down the top of Bambi) to Sir Arnold Lunn, Walkyrie,
and Longhorn -- where real Texans can't ski well enough to go --
basically you can ski almost the entire hill without ever seeing that
rotten catwalk at the bottom of the front of the mountain, except to
CROSS it when you give it up in the afternoon. For that, take Snake
Dance or Al's Run for your last run of the day. It'll build character.
Been there, done that, got run over by a Texan.
Jim in Texas
born in Cleveland, so technically NOT a real Texan
Patrick W. Clark
Former fellow Texan Jim Strohm put a stake through my heart when he admitted...
>Jim in Texas
>born in Cleveland, so technically NOT a real Texan
Awww Jim, Say it ain't so! (Cleveland for God's Sake?!)
>cross-over (down the top of Bambi) to Sir Arnold Lunn, Walkyrie,
>and Longhorn -- where real Texans can't ski well enough to go --
Been there, done that. In fact, Walkyrie was my favorite run. *But* since I was born in Ft. Worth, I suppose I can't go back there now.
>.... got run over by a Texan.
How did you know? Did he have a Redman baseball hat on or just a stupid look on his face?
Pat Clark
Texas - "send me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses yearning to be warm"
Bob Lee
I had that durned Texan in the cross-hairs when the Hot Sauce Girl dropped
him herself with a well placed going-away shot:
> > If you had bothered to read the trail map you would have seen all
> > the OBVIOUS bottlenecks at Yyyy. Yes, there ARE ALL BAD places.
> > The catwalk at the bottom of the front of the mountain is the worst,
> > and Yyyy WON'T be making any improvements.
> >
> > If you ski off the Xxxx Xxxxx lifts, you've got easy access to
> > the Xxxx Xxxxxxxx and the lower half of all the incredible
> > Xxxxx chutes; you can hike the Xxxxx; you've got some powerfully
> > steep high-speed cruisers in the lower Xxxx Xxxxx; you've got the
> > permanent pow stash in Xxxx Xxxxx; you've got a quick
> > cross-over (down the top of Xxxxx) to Xxx Xxxxxx Xxxx, Xxxxxxxx,
> > and Xxxxxxxx -- where real Texans can't ski well enough to go --
>
> "permanent" "pow" "stash".....and we intend to keep it that way.
>
> > basically you CAN'T ski the entire hill without ever seeing
> > that rotten catwalk at the bottom of the front of the mountain, so
> > LIVE WITH IT...OR DON'T COME BACK....COMPRENDE?
Hmmmm, couldn't have done it any better. Let's clean up this mess, blow a
couple of freeway overpasses on I-10 and I-40 at the east border and go
have some Mexican beers. Maybe we could contribute some $$$ to the "Free
Republic of Texas" Defense Fund if we've got any left over.
Bob
Vail - working together
Jamie
Jim wrote:
>
> klaus nuki talked some well-deserved trash about Texans:
>
> > on one of these overcrowded catwalks [description of Texan stupidity > > deleted]
> Yeah, that's it -- if we're from Texas, we're obviously too stoned
> or too stupid to be able to ski.
Nah -- it's more likely the *locals* that are too stoned.
But never *too* stoned to ski. ;>
> Your Clue For The Day (TM):
>
> If you had bothered to read the trail map you would have seen all
> the OBVIOUS bottlenecks at Yyyy. Yes, there ARE ALL BAD places.
> The catwalk at the bottom of the front of the mountain is the worst,
> and Yyyy WON'T be making any improvements.
>
> If you ski off the Xxxx Xxxxx lifts, you've got easy access to
> the Xxxx Xxxxxxxx and the lower half of all the incredible
> Xxxxx chutes; you can hike the Xxxxx; you've got some powerfully
> steep high-speed cruisers in the lower Xxxx Xxxxx; you've got the
> permanent pow stash in Xxxx Xxxxx; you've got a quick
> cross-over (down the top of Xxxxx) to Xxx Xxxxxx Xxxx, Xxxxxxxx,
> and Xxxxxxxx -- where real Texans can't ski well enough to go --
Clue for the Day:
"permanent" "pow" "stash".....and we intend to keep it that way.
> basically you CAN'T ski the entire hill without ever seeing
> that rotten catwalk at the bottom of the front of the mountain, so
> LIVE WITH IT...OR DON'T COME BACK....COMPRENDE?
>
> Been there, done that, my mouth runneth over like a Texan.
>
> Jim in Texas
> born in Cleveland, so technically NOT a real Texan
Keep posting like this and I'll find it hard to believe that birth
certificate doesn't say, "Amarillo". ;>
Jamie
jamsite: http://www.flash.net/~nmjamie
Jim Lansdowne
<you're on the jury -- which way do you lean?>
This is only the second time that a skier has been charged in
this manner in Colorado, so I would have to believe that they
have some pretty strong eyewitness accounts to substatiate a
criminal charge. Whether or not the Vail lift operator was
reckless and negligent is up to the court, but based upon the
facts reported in the Rocky Mountain News, it seems likely that
the charges are justified. The collision took place on Riva Ridge
at 4:30 pm. Riva is an easy blue which is one of the most popular
ways to the bottom at the end of the day. When it's not crowded
you can fly, but you have to use common sense because it can be
crowded with slower moving skiers where it funnels into a cat
track near the bottom. Just before the cat track is a steeper
section called tourist trap which is often icy hardpack with a
few bumps and some rocks showing through. You can get around the
Trap on a green, but many people miss the cut off. It is best to
assume that the Trap will contain a few people standing around or
moving very cautiously. The article does not say where the
accident took place, but this is the most likely spot. Eyewitness
reports were that the lift operator was skiing down the middle of
the trail at a high rate of speed when he collided with the
presumably slower moving skier who died on the spot. Based on
these facts, it would seem that the common sense element may have
been missing.
Jamie
Martin Q. Blank (Bob Lee), requested a hit-man reunion:
> Let's clean up this mess, blow a couple of freeway overpasses
> on I-10 and I-40 at the east border and go have some Mexican beers.
But we do that *every* Saturday night. Maybe we should take
Dr. Oatman's advice and "not kill anyone for a few days and
see what it feels like".
>Maybe we could contribute some $$$ to the "Free Republic of Texas" >Defense Fund if we've got any left over.
Hmmmm. Sounds like the perfect date...a little reminiscing,
a little murdering, and it might even be tax deductible.
OK. I'll give it a shot. ;>
Jamie
ps, if any of you haven't seen Grosse Pointe Blank...go see it.
http://www.movies.com/grossepointe/
http://gr.mlive.com/entertainment/stories/review.html
Carl and Anna
Eric Carlson wrote:
> From what I remember reading in the paper, the guy who got hit was a
> beginner who had skied about five times. He was probably at the point
> where he was transgressing from green to blue trails. The guy who hit
> him was spending his first season in Colorado after graduating from high
> school in California. I don't think the paper said what level skier he
> was but probably advanced to expert. He was skiing down from his job at
> the end of the day on Riva Ridge which is an intermediate trail. Riva
> Ridge is one of the main drains off the mountian, long, wide, heavy
> traffic and intersected with numerous green catwalks.
Eric,
Most of what you say is accurate, but.....
Riva is an intermediate run at the top, but it's considered expert
from mid-mountain on down largely because of three steep sections
that can get pretty bumped up (naturally, this is Vail, so the evil
bumps are groomed away regularly). Some witnesses said that the
skier who has been charged might have lost control in the bumps.
The victim was, as you said, a new skier who'd only skiied four days.
He was a Brit, and skiing with his US fiancee when the accident happened.
The skier who hit him was noted for skiing fast, and there was some
speculation that he'd been warned before about it.
Carl
Scott W.
ALL Citizens must be accountable for their actions. Did the fast Skier
lose
control or did he/she intend on running into this person? This is the
question
that will decide this case in court. If the collision was intentional
because the
new skier wandered in the experts way the so called expert should be held
accountable. Regardless of the outcome, I bet this so called expert skier
will be very cautious on the slopes. Wether it's next year or 20 years from
now.
Happy Trails.
John Red-Horse
In article <rlee-08059...@lappp14.swcp.com>, rl...@swcp.com wrote:
> Maybe we could contribute some $$$ to the "Free
>Republic of Texas" Defense Fund if we've got any left over.
>
Not unless you wanted to be a part of that ``Free'' republic. They sent
Gary Johnson letters stating their intent: to claim all of NM east of the
Rio Grande.
cheers,
john (of course, parts of Colorado and Wyoming were claimed as well)
Bob Lee
John Red-Horse brought a terrible fact to light:
> (I wrote):
> > Maybe we could contribute some $$$ to the "Free
> >Republic of Texas" Defense Fund if we've got any left over.
> >
>
> Not unless you wanted to be a part of that ``Free'' republic. They sent
> Gary Johnson letters stating their intent: to claim all of NM east of the
> Rio Grande.
Wait...that includes Yyyy. Yyyy was once part of Texas?
That's...staggering. What about Vail? I'm thinking that this is the
motivation I need to move there, but if Vail's going to be part of the
Free Republic of Texas too, then I'm going to have to change my stand of
that group of secessionists. This could screw up everything.
Bob
Vail - Opening soon; Six Flags Over Vail
Scott Abraham
Bob Lee missed Vail's secession from Colorado last year :
> That's...staggering. What about Vail? I'm thinking that this is the
> motivation I need to move there, but if Vail's going to be part of the
> Free Republic of Texas too, then I'm going to have to change my stand of
> that group of secessionists. This could screw up everything.
>
> Bob
>
> Vail - Opening soon; Six Flags Over Vail
Vail seceeeded from Colorado last year and formed the state of Vail,
with the capitol at Vail.
They will soon steal the Wasatch from Ooootah, Tahoe from California,
Sun Valley, JH, and Whistler and Banff from Canada to form the United
States of Vail.
Yyyy joined earlier this year.
Snoqualmie Pass wanted in, but was rejected. Gillete is appealing.
TB
Vail: Vail"s Flag over Six States
Patrick W. Clark 972.952.3776 PWC1
Poor Ol' Bob Lee finally caught on and realized...
>Wait...that includes Yyyy. Yyyy was once part of Texas?
>That's...staggering.
The skiers in the Lame Star State have known this for years and have lustfully looked at Yyyy as a symbol of what was taken from us. Soon... oh so soon...
Pat
Texas - Manifest Destiny
Paco Jones
Jim Lansdowne <73364...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
I still insist. Summary court martial, and then hang, drawn and
quartered, just as in "Brave Heart".
And then decapitated, with the head being exposed for a month to all
riders of the chairlift, with the inscriptions:
So die all wild guys, who can't ski in control. May they rot in
skier's hell forever and ever, amen.
Bob Lee
Ol' Pat dreamt:
Well, if you got it back, then there would finally be some telemarkers
from Texas. I've often wondered why I've never run into one - not one -
pinna from there. That tells me something.
On the other hand, Yyyy could use a bunch of those fabulous TWITs. Stack
'em like cordwood on the deck at the St. Bernard (and those dangerous
catwalks). I like 'em - they never get in the way of the Real
Skiing(tm).
Bob
Vail - where dreams come true